1870 : Alternative Divergence [AH][OOC][REBOOT]

[Tracian Empire]

That doesn't make any sense. Mombasa is ahead of the northern tip, and is a strategic location. Exchanging it for the northern tip wpuld mean being cut off from the northern tip. Never mind, lol

Yep,knew you would say no. Infact i was expecting it

You still get Mozambique. All of it.

[Seinlo]

The Omani military seems a bit inflated.

Just like the population.

Nope.

Oman has 184k, Arabia has 1.503 million, UAE has 80k, Yemen has 2.372 million, Burundi has 1.435 million, Bahrain has 35k, the Comoros have 90k, Djibouti has 32k, Tanzania has 3.742 million, Zimbabe has 648, Somalia has 263k, Ethiopia has a little under 7.36 million, Eritrea has 205k, Kenya has 1.205 million, Mauritius has 317k, Mayotte has 9k, Reunion has 182.7k, the Seychelles have 11k, and everything else adds up to 4 or 5 million (most of which comes from Madagascar)

I think I may have to recalculate the population since edits were made, but my military is just under 2% of that population, and receives plenty of funding.

That doesn't make any sense. Mombasa is ahead of the northern tip, and is a strategic location. Exchanging it for the northern tip wpuld mean being cut off from the northern tip. Never mind, lol

Yep,knew you would say no. Infact i was expecting it

Probably because you asked a ridiculous question, and wanted the impossible in my controlling that area sandwiched between Mombasa and Mozambique.

[Rygondria]

Just like the population.

Nope.

Oman has 184k, Arabia has 1.503 million, UAE has 80k, Yemen has 2.372 million, Burundi has 1.435 million, Bahrain has 35k, the Comoros have 90k, Djibouti has 32k, Tanzania has 3.742 million, Zimbabe has 648, Somalia has 263k, Ethiopia has a little under 7.36 million, Eritrea has 205k, Kenya has 1.205 million, Mauritius has 317k, Mayotte has 9k, Reunion has 182.7k, the Seychelles have 11k, and everything else adds up to 4 or 5 million (most of which comes from Madagascar)

I think I may have to recalculate the population since edits were made, but my military is just under 2% of that population, and receives plenty of funding.

Yep,knew you would say no. Infact i was expecting it

Probably because you asked a ridiculous question, and wanted the impossible in my controlling that area sandwiched between Mombasa and Mozambique.

I probably still would of said no either way.

[Seinlo]

http://m.imgur.com/TvRhpss

Seinlo, this will probably be the claim that the OP board is recommending for you.

I should already tell you that Rome won't like you being that close to Jerusalem though.

That's what Ihave except for those islands on the righr of Madagascar, but I've been interested in those blue islands for a while. Who is blue?

[Seinlo]

Wait, isn't Helghan that color of blue? Yeah, I'm nor goinf to bicker about that...

[Rygondria]

Yep,knew you would say no. Infact i was expecting it

You still get Mozambique. All of it.

Sweet, I was kinda thinking of adding either a part of Indochina or Malay to the Southerlandic empire.

[Seinlo]

Nope.

Oman has 184k, Arabia has 1.503 million, UAE has 80k, Yemen has 2.372 million, Burundi has 1.435 million, Bahrain has 35k, the Comoros have 90k, Djibouti has 32k, Tanzania has 3.742 million, Zimbabe has 648, Somalia has 263k, Ethiopia has a little under 7.36 million, Eritrea has 205k, Kenya has 1.205 million, Mauritius has 317k, Mayotte has 9k, Reunion has 182.7k, the Seychelles have 11k, and everything else adds up to 4 or 5 million (most of which comes from Madagascar)

I think I may have to recalculate the population since edits were made, but my military is just under 2% of that population, and receives plenty of funding.



Probably because you asked a ridiculous question, and wanted the impossible in my controlling that area sandwiched between Mombasa and Mozambique.

I probably still would of said no either way.

-Would have said no either way
-Made an offer that is a 'yes'

Don't worry, I won't be stealing it any time soon. I have bigger things to worry about.

[Seinlo]

@Vampyvamp/Thrace, you guys have me a lake! It's 'small', but at least my people aren't dying of thirst.

[Novacom]

You still get Mozambique. All of it.

Sweet, I was kinda thinking of adding either a part of Indochina or Malay to the Southerlandic empire.

Taken for homelands so not an option.

[Sanabel]

Calculated the population of the Omani Empire or whatever based on Thrace's map:

Arabia: 1.3 million
Bahrain: 35,000
Qatar: 10,000
Oman: 170,000
Yemen: 2 million
Eritrea: 150,000
Ethiopia: ~2 million
Djibouti: 30,000
Somalia: ~500,000
Comoros: 85,000
Seychelles: 10,000
Madagascar: ~2 million
Tanzania: ~1 million
Kenya: 300,000

Grand total: ~9,590,000

There you go, Trace.

[Seinlo]

Pre-Application Credits: Danceria played a massive part in helping me come up with this, and I actually have screenshots of stuff I hope makes it into the app, since it’s all really awesome. I was also helped out a lot by the rest of the members, and would like to mention Sanabel and Thrace. This isn’t my best app, but I can assure you that it is certainly my post unique.


Full Nation Name: The Empire of Rasuli, AKA the Sultanate of Yemen
Majority/Official Culture: Most consider themselves Arabian, African, or a combination of Arabian and some other culture; there is a cultural continuum similar to a dialect continuum, but different in that Madagascar’s culture is about as severe as the differences get (except for those causing rebellions), and there are many shared traits between the cultures. Many of the cultures share traits that they didn’t in real life, and as a result there is cultural crossover between the Arabians and the Africans, which is one of the things that allows them to get along better.
Map: This. In case it’s not on the map/you can’t see it, I have colonies in the Chagos archipelago, the Seychelles archipelag, the Kuria Muria island, Masira island. Madagascar also includes Mayotte and the Comoros
Territorial Core: Yemen, Oman, Socotra island, parts of modern Saudi Arabia, modern U.A.E., modern Bahrain, and modern Qatar, strong presence in the Horn of Africa (Eritrea, Djibouti, Somalia, Ethiopia), prominent settlements in Zanzibar (parts of Somalia, Kenya, Tanzania, Burundi, small parts of Mozambique) and Madagascar (includes Mayotte and the Comoros), Reunion island, Kuria Muria island, Masira island, the Seychelles archipelago, the Chagos archipelago, and Mauritius
Territorial Claim: The African Great Lakes Region, part of modern Pakistan/Afghanistan/whatever else is outlined in the color coded map, parts of modern Sudan, parts of some other African nations, parts of the east coast of the Red Sea, parts of modern Mozambique
Other Map Information: A Color-Coded Map - The modern Saudi Arabian territory in a deep orange is only lightly occupied, and officially a claim, and not part of the territorial core. The yellow in Africa constitutes both a claim and part of my trade network. The orange across the map is meant to tell you that these are claims, but that I don’t actually have them. The island colonies/prominent settlements mentioned above are generally small, with the smallest probably being less than 9,000, and I was unsure whether to make them part of the territorial core or the territorial claims because I have actual settlements there. Ghujarat, a state in India, is one of my claims, but interest is fading in hopes of a possible alliance with the nation there, so I didn’t add it. There are trading posts in some of the coastal areas of the rest of the Indian Ocean (some of which are the orange areas), but I am unsure if I am allowed to have those, so I didn’t bother adding them, and they may not even be state-owned because I might just have some traders operating there.
Capital City: Sana’a, Yemen
Population: 22,885,700 without Ethiopia; 32,320,700 with Ethiopia

Government Type: Absolutist monarchy accompanied by a rights-granting charter that only the Sultan isn’t required to follow, and democratic- and republican-leaning (not in the modern political party sense, but in the sense of forms of state) tendencies in some areas
Government Ideology/Policies: Non-militant expansionism that sometimes escalates into militant expansionism or even imperialism. Many members of society have nationalism or patriotism of some sort for the Sultanate of Yemen in their hearts, but there are some who take it to the extreme and express chauvinism. There are small rebellions however, and not everyone reacts with anger, pointing to the fact that nationalism and patriotism isn’t as important to some people as it is to others (while many have nationalistic or patriotic views, some are less pronounced in their beliefs).
Government Focus: The economy and culture are the largest focuses, but the military is strong as a result of heavy funding, extensive training, closely held ideals, and a mercenary/privateer force working aside them
Head of State: Sultan Al-Afdal Al-Abbas II of the Rasulid Dynasty, Caliph of All Islam
Head of Government: Sultan Al-Afdal Al-Abbas II of the Rasulid Dynasty, Caliph of All Islam
Government Description: The Sultan is the absolute ruler, possessing widespread executive powers. A rights-granting charter, a combination of secular and Roman law, and his Cabinet of Yemen (the Council of Ministers; it is over double the size it is IRL, as there are Sultan-elected representatives of several areas) aid greatly in his rule. The Sultan sits in on all meetings held by the nation’s parliament, and has final say and veto powers on all laws passed in the nation (and for rules/laws passed on a scale smaller than nation-wide, he is given reports; these laws will probably never contradict the main law, however). The parliament is made up of the upper house elected by the Sultan (the Council of State of Yemen, and the democratically elected lower house (Consultative Assembly, which is also over twice the size it is IRL). The public is well aware of the fact that the Sultan has and will waive constitutional rights, and respects this as he is the only one capable of doing so. Other parts of the government exist, such as a bureaucracy of non-elected and elected officials, and smaller components such as the rulers of a city.


The country is known for possessing very open foreign and trade policies, as well as an open mind when it comes to negotiations, for the most part. These traits most likely arose due to the increased threat posed by technologically advanced neighbors or economic rivals, but they have led to a bustling economy with free trade (of course, tariffs and taxes still apply), stock markets in all major cities and economic centers, beneficial land ownership laws, smooth operation, and other attributes that make the Sultanate exciting for domestic and international traders alike.


The Sultanate of Yemen is divided into governorates (Muhafazah) as first-order administration, then provinces (Wiliyat), then districts (Kaza), then the subdistricts (the equivalent of counties) (Nahiyah), and then finally into municipalities, a concept embraced because of exposure to Westerners. The colonies are called dominions, but Yemen is closer to (or rather, has closer relations and more control of) its dominions than the real life British Empire was. The type of leader for each will be as follows: governor for the governorates, mutasariff for the provinces, kaimakam for districts (the military rank of kaimakam has been replaced by the title yarbay), a mudir for subdistricts, and mayors for municipalities. Each leader of the governorates and provinces will have secretaries for finance, agriculture and commerce, interaction with foreigners, public works, and correspondence and archives, while those of smaller divisions will have similar staff, and for many of these there is an executive council.

Majority/State Religion: The Arabian Agglomeration
Religious Description: Not given a single-word name like so many other religions, mostly because it hasn’t been given an official name, the so-called Arabian Agglomeration is the same agglomeration as the most widely held culture in the Sultanate of Yemen and its territories. While it may differ from region to region in some areas, and has its strongest presence in Yemen’s territorial core (Madagascar is in the territorial core, but expresses a combination of Malagasy beliefs and those that go along with the Arabian Agglomeration, which has seeped into the African territories it is close to), it is mostly Arabic/Sunni Muslim influenced by Sufism, and blended with Somali, Abyssinian, and Swahili beliefs, as is the rest of the culture.

Economic Ideologies: Open economy mixed market, which is actively avoiding the creation of social disorder while insuring that an affluent society is created (of course, there are still wealthier people and poorer people as there always is), and trying to expand the ruler and state’s power through the prosperity of its citizens; there are state-run corporations and enterprises that attempt to give as much freedom is possible without leaning towards some of capitalism’s tendencies (as Wikipedia says, indirect macroeconomic influence over fiscal and monetary policies). Attempts to expand into nearly any economic sector are allowed, except for those such as slavery.
Major Production: Agricultural goods, mineral products (including moderate iron production as a result of iron mines), high-quality textile and other manufactured
Economic Description: The Sultanate of Yemen has had large amounts of wealth ever since Oman entered a personal union with the Rasulid dynasty, and though there were troubles over the years, this has only improved over time. The adoption of highly efficient and generally very open economic policies that generate much wealth for the Sultanate, the embracement of Roman law, aqueducting, and other customs of the “West” (yes, this is essentially word for word what Danceria suggested, though I edited it some), as well as having algebra and other things while Europe was rather primitive in nature (this one is more ancient, but it still influenced the present Sultanate of Yemen), the Sultanate of Yemen has become an extremely wealthy mercantile nation with clean, beautiful cities. It is semi-industrialized, possessing a well-invested textile industry, more modernized mining, manufacturing, and other such things than those without any industrialization. It possesses extensive railroad and telegraph networks built by contracting industrialized Western nations. It isn’t uncommon for a decent, but not obscene percentage of the GDP to come from renting out privateer and mercenary corporations, many of which operate independently of the Sultanate, but rely on the Sultanate to provide them jobs, with contracts existing regarding what jobs they can take, with benefits such as serving the Sultanate of Yemen and finding a safe-haven there (as long as they follow the laws). The Sultanate produces excellent goods, and what it does not produce it can mine. It is not uncommon for the Sultanate to import materials for architecture, manufacturing, or even crafting. There are craftsmen and makers’ organizations within the Sultanate that are state-funded as part of efforts to improve and maintain culture which benefit from imports. They are doing quite well for themselves at the moment, too, and hope to continue expanding their economy.

Army Strength: The national army and mercenary corps are well-funded and disciplined (leaving them with possession of modern weaponry (about 1870 level), the common use of effective indirect fire with artillery, and having sound tactics). Both armies are well organized and fairly versatile, possessing varied types of soldiers as well as Intelligence, Communications, Engineering, Medical, Exploratory, and other auxiliary corps.
Army Weakness: Many of the numbers come from the mercenary corps, and the army is pretty average outside of their funding and discipline. They aren’t very special; they are unique from other armies, as a result of culture and some differences in how things are done, but they don’t generally have a super trait or anything similar
Naval Strength: The national navy and privateer corps are Incredibly well-funded and disciplined (leaving them with steam-assisted vessels, in possession of a significant amount of smaller vessels that they frequently put together in flotillas that are part of larger groups meant to overwhelm larger vessels, and they have access to shell guns) possess a significant amount of smaller vessels that they frequently use in swarms, and they have access to shell guns
Naval Weakness: Less sophisticated than most major rivals (they are about 1860-1870 level, but Oriental and Western European rivals, which are pretty plentiful, are 10 to 20 years ahead), lagging behind in research for ironclads when compared to the likes of Rome, and, like the army, they are pretty average outside of their funding and discipline
Further Military Description: The need for a larger army and navy revealed itself to the Yemen Sultanate over 50 years ago. In response, mercenary and privateer corporations were eventually leveraged, and the size of the state-operated army grew. Now numbering 627,500 (not counting those in any of the artillery corps or those in the Communications, Medical, Engineering, or other auxiliary corps) regulars, the army is a mighty force more than capable of defending the Sultanate and its people. There exist 20 infantry divisions of 9,000 men each, and 15 cavalry divisions of 6,500 men each in the state army that protect the state and its colonies. The threat of powerful rivals in the form of Western Europeans and the Oriental nations culminated in the recruitment of 350,000 men from the mercenary corporations in the nation, which are largely Somali, Abyssinian, and Ethiopian; the corporations are able to be leveraged to provide mercenaries to other nations, they provide and are given a fairly decent income in exchange for their service. Adding up to just below 2% of the population, extensive funding, training, and research has gone into maintaining a military that must be capable of defending itself against technologically sophisticated nations, lest the nation falls apart. They know better than to rely on their size, however, and know that the day may come when they prove to be insufficient for defending against a rival force. Each soldier is generally trained 4.5 to 7.5 months, the number being higher in times of peace, and when it is required soldiers will be levied from the population and deployed with little to no training; in training, there is a focus on loyalty, valor, honor, camaraderie, and similar traits.; there does exist an elite force of 8,000 men that have been trained since they were children, but they are generally separate from the rest of the army, and operate within the capital of Sana’a.


Then there exist the ‘fortress defenders’, whom are regular officers with less training than the national army meant to bolster the defenses of fortifications and military bases, all of which have been trained well in defending their charges, but aren’t generally anywhere near as capable as the Sultanate’s primary army. Additionally, a significant police force has been formed and operates in every settlement, but their numbers are not required as they function entirely as a domestic force, and the type of emergency that would call for their mobilization would mean that the state was about to fall.


Moving onto the navy; the national navy has 72 ships-of-the-line (all at or above third-rate on the RL British Empire’s rating system), 102 attack frigates, 270 frigates, and numerous corvettes, sloops-of-war, and support or auxiliary vessels (including bomb ships [ships equipped with mortars, which are still used, but not as much as they used to be because of the advent of effective shell guns], transport vessels, tenders, hospital ships, and a very sizable merchant fleet). The privateer navy, which operates largely in the Indian Ocean and has also been transformed into a force that can be rented out if necessary, has numbers eclipsing the national navy, but they are generally smaller vessels, and only larger privateer organizations of epic status operate anything like a first-rate, and most don’t operate anything larger than a frigate, with frigates not being incredibly common, either (I think I will have one or two of these organizations).


The vessels of the Sultanate and its privateer fleets are largely steam-assisted vessels equipped with standardized features that enable superior operation compared to how they operated in the 17th and 16th centuries. Shell guns, coppering to prevent rot, some smaller vessels on a warship or its tender to allow for escape if the ship is harmed, broader beams and a larger upper deck to support extensive sailplans, a narrower floor that allows the vessels to be faster (this is generally more efficient in smaller vessels, but larger vessels are just a little faster), they are built on composite construction (iron frames with wooden planking that allow for copper sheathing, decreased sagging and hogging, and the iron frames took up less interior space than wooden framing), the usage of more efficient woods in certain areas (lignum vitae for pieces that wear out quickly, which is imported), being given the capacity to have a thicker layer of wood or composite plates made primarily from lignum vitae added when they are in the docks that aren’t able to be easily removed, and provide extra protection (especially if they are composite; they aren’t going to be anywhere as efficient as iron plating or anything, but they do provide some more protection than normal), ammunition rooms are lined in metal to give some protection to the vessel should the gunpowder catch fire (probably just enough to allow escape), dedicated rams, and, finally, rockets for communication, SOSes, and shipboarding, all encourage the navy officers with additional moral, and add some much-needed advantages to the vessels, though they are largely based around physical design. Specialized attack frigates that are great frigate-sized exist that make use of these features, but have also had its storage areas replaced by two extra gun decks (the ship is raised a little to make use of all of them; gun deck number is raised to four, and cannons/shell gun numbers may approach 88); unfortunately, they have to be used in tandem with specialized tender ships.


It is the general focus of the military to protect the nation’s sovereign borders and interests, expand territory, insure the survival of culture, and prevent any and all incursions by outside forces.

National Goals: Overall, they wish to make sure that Islam survives, even if it isn’t pure Islam anymore. They wish to become independent of imports of coal and other industrial materials, and also to have the ability to become independent of Western firms, but not necessarily to abandon their contracts with them.
National Issues: Natural resources (such as coal, and such for steel and, oh, I dunno, an actual industrial revolution), the lagging behind their rivals, certain regional alliances (getting rid of them is out of the question, so cozying up to them is more likely), highly efficient and sophisticated competition from Western Europe and the Oriental nations, ‘rebel’ groups of pirates that refused becoming a privateer company in the Empire. There are “small” (by small, I mean moderately sized. They’re not super dangerous, and my nation isn’t falling apart as they are generally geographically separated, but there is one particular force that poses a threat to legitimacy) rebellions (HERESIES!) taking place because of the Ibadi tribes of Oman, while Orthodox and other missionaries travel from South Africa and the Mediterranean, trying to convert my people. The Gulf of Persia leads to Zoroastrian missionaries entering the Empire’s heartland. The travels of missionaries result in odd variations and combinations of religions seeking peace to form. Then there are the Solomonists, who have been around since the 1600s (possibly longer), which pose the most dangerous threat to the Sultanate of Yemen, as they are a politically adept religious organization based in the Horn of Africa that has a leader who claims to be descended from both the Prophet Mohammed and King Solomon, endangering the dynasty’s control of the Red Sea.
National Ambition/Aspirations: To become more sophisticated, self-sustaining, and less fearful than they are now. They envision a much more prosperous nation, and this is idealized in things like the painting of lush, but still metaphorical and somewhat abstract landscapes of Arabia (the lushness is a metaphor for what they want the nation to become, and the abstract styles slowly formed as people started introducing ways to prevent them for being mistaken for actual landscapes), which adds to the affluent, ambitious, but ultimately unsatisfied cultural identity seen in Rasuli.

History:

• Before 1096: As per real life, there was a massive spread of Islam, but it did not reach far past the Yazd province of present day Iran, and found more of a home in the western and southern areas of Africa. Shia-Sunni infighting devastated the Muslim nations, and left them much more open to attack by the incredibly powerful Roman-Persian alliance later down the road, for the Zoroastrians to take control of Persia, and for a number of other important matters to occur.
• 1096: The Crusades begin
• 1098: The states of Yemen and Oman form a personal union
• 1229: Rasulid Dynasty is founded by Umar ibn Rasul, conquests begin
• 1234: The Muslim Kingdoms of the Horn of Africa begin sending their sons to Yemen and Oman to study, bringing people and military support to the Rasuli Empire. This would dampen the blows that the Ninth Crusade would later inflict upon the Empire.
• 1271-1272: The Ninth Crusade occurs, with the Empire of Rasuli suffering, but recovering to its former levels within a decade.
• 1278: Recovery from the Ninth Crusade nears completion
• 1298: Plagues sweep through the Empire, ending another short-lived era of prosperity.
• 1331: The Empire begins marrying off the sons and daughters of the House of Rasulid, making use of the close alliances they held with the Muslim Kingdoms of the Horn of Africa, and they take advantage of their alliances. Over time, the Muslim Kingdoms would become more subservient, and eventually be absorbed.
• 1441: Extinguishment of major rebellions, ushering in a new era of peace under the Rasulid dynasty within the state, and preventing the fall of the Rasulid dynasty in 1454
• 1442: The defeat of Egypt in the Red Sea leads to total control over the Hejaz, leading to an era of both peace and prosperity, and leaving the Rasulid dynasty rulers of a nation now seen as the rightful successor to the world’s former Muslim Caliphates.
• 1445: The Sultan dies, and the first Sultana of the state rises to prominence as a result of strange circumstance, and a devastated royal family. She makes sweeping reforms, and changes the Sultanate’s views of women, as well as how foreign and economic policy was handled, with the focus on slavery being shifted to the Sultana’s hope of abolishing slavery. Her actions would also insure the survival of the Rasulid dynasty.
• 1465: The Almulahhimi Sultana is assassinated, the perpetrator escaping. It becomes a day of mourning in the Yemeni state.
• 1545: The First Century Anniversary of the Almulahhimi Sultana ascendance sees the abolition of Sharia law, and the implementation of a combination of Roman law and some secular ideals. The descendants of the Almulahhimi Sultana had gathered their allies, both foreign and domestic, and prevented any major uprisings from occurring, efforts that were almost certainly aided by the development of the Empire’s more peaceful, open-minded agglomerate culture.
• 1571: The first stock market is established. It is not as developed as those in Europe, but that would change in the future.
• 1578: The first mercenary company/corporation is established.
• 1583: The first privateer company/corporation is established. While independent from the state, it had agreed to certain things in exchange for being served first, a decent amount of pay, and a safe-haven in the empire, much of which had also been granted to the first mercenary corporation back in 1577.
• 1612: 13 members of the House of Rasulid are killed during a pirate attack on a small flotilla. The escort flotilla was the only one available because of a shortage of vessels due to combating the pirates. Afterwards, they put their privateer corps and remaining state-operated vessels into override, calling upon what allies they could find in the matter of dealing with pirates in the Indian Ocean, and managing to convince many of them to become privateer corporations or companies, though they were to undergo a period of not attacking certain powers that aided them for quite some time (over a century, actually. It was the only way that the Empire could convince other states to continue to aid them once they realized what the Empire wanted to do), but there were also many others that rebelled, and pirates still terrorize the Indian Ocean because of that.
• 1630: Conquests along the eastern coast of Africa take place
• 1667: The first Solomonist rebellion breaks out in Ethiopia, marking the beginning of the most dangerous dissident threat to the Empire.
• 1712: The state’s agreement not to use privateers against certain nations ends. The state does not yet change their use of the privateers.
• 1713: The Rasulid dynasty quickly rises to prominence, controlling trade and ports in southeast Africa and several other areas of the Indian Ocean, which wouldn’t be broken any time soon.
• 1767: The second Solomonist rebellion breaks out in Ethiopia.
• 1842: The Sultanate makes contact with several Western firms, hoping to come to agreement on the construction of extensive networks of railways and telegraph lines, as well as education on how to manage them, and future aid in maintenance.
• 1845: First shell gun reaches the Sultanate of Yemen
• 1850: A Solomonist rebellion breaks out in Ethiopia.
• 1854: After nearly a decade of development, a more sophisticated shell gun is produced by the Imperial Arsenal’s research and development branch.
• 1867: The Empire reaches an economic and military level of development that they, for some reason, see as a cause for celebration, marking a day that would forever include falling asleep in a drunken stupor. Still, the population is not completely satisfied with the nation as it is.
• 1870: Modern day

Comparison Points – Political: 2.5
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious: 2.5
Comparison Points – Economy: 3
Comparison Points – Military: 2
Total Comparison Points used (10 Points MAX): 10/10

Updated. I added the map given to me by Thrace, and removed Mauritius and Reunion islands since a blue person has them (forgot who it was that has that color. It's probably Helghan).

[Novacom]

In this timeline people are going to have to actively work for colonies heh, not a bad thing

Pickings will be slim as a lot of the world is in a good place tech wise...

[Tracian Empire]

Calculated the population of the Omani Empire or whatever based on Thrace's map:

Arabia: 1.3 million
Bahrain: 35,000
Qatar: 10,000
Oman: 170,000
Yemen: 2 million
Eritrea: 150,000
Ethiopia: ~2 million
Djibouti: 30,000
Somalia: ~500,000
Comoros: 85,000
Seychelles: 10,000
Madagascar: ~2 million
Tanzania: ~1 million
Kenya: 300,000

Grand total: ~9,590,000

There you go, Trace.

I fully agree with it. Even with an AH, you can't triple it like that, Seinlo.

[Seinlo]

Calculated the population of the Omani Empire or whatever based on Thrace's map:

Arabia: 1.3 million
Bahrain: 35,000
Qatar: 10,000
Oman: 170,000
Yemen: 2 million
Eritrea: 150,000
Ethiopia: ~2 million
Djibouti: 30,000
Somalia: ~500,000
Comoros: 85,000
Seychelles: 10,000
Madagascar: ~2 million
Tanzania: ~1 million
Kenya: 300,000

Grand total: ~9,590,000

There you go, Trace.

Tanzania has over 1 million, Eritrea, which I hold all of, has 100,000 more than what you suggested, Kenya has at least a million, Arabia has 1.5 million, the UAE has 80k, Yemen has 2.3 million, Burunudi has at least a million, the Comoros have 95,000, Ethiopia has waaay more than 2 million, and Zimbabwe has at least 300k.

[Seinlo]

Calculated the population of the Omani Empire or whatever based on Thrace's map:

Arabia: 1.3 million
Bahrain: 35,000
Qatar: 10,000
Oman: 170,000
Yemen: 2 million
Eritrea: 150,000
Ethiopia: ~2 million
Djibouti: 30,000
Somalia: ~500,000
Comoros: 85,000
Seychelles: 10,000
Madagascar: ~2 million
Tanzania: ~1 million
Kenya: 300,000

Grand total: ~9,590,000

There you go, Trace.

I fully agree with it. Even with an AH, you can't triple it like that, Seinlo.

He's lowering numbers that I got from Populstat, and gravely underestimating how many people my claims in Ethiopia have, especially since there have been significant migrations to coastal areas.

[Sanabel]

Calculated the population of the Omani Empire or whatever based on Thrace's map:

Arabia: 1.3 million
Bahrain: 35,000
Qatar: 10,000
Oman: 170,000
Yemen: 2 million
Eritrea: 150,000
Ethiopia: ~2 million
Djibouti: 30,000
Somalia: ~500,000
Comoros: 85,000
Seychelles: 10,000
Madagascar: ~2 million
Tanzania: ~1 million
Kenya: 300,000

Grand total: ~9,590,000

There you go, Trace.

Tanzania has over 1 million, Eritrea, which I hold all of, has 100,000 more than what you suggested, Kenya has at least a million, Arabia has 1.5 million, the UAE has 80k, Yemen has 2.3 million, Burunudi has at least a million, the Comoros have 95,000, Ethiopia has waaay more than 2 million, and Zimbabwe has at least 300k.

It doesn't though. You've inflated every single one from what's actually recorded. And you do not have all of Kenya/Ethiopia/Tanzania, and not even the populous parts. You don't have Zimbabwe. And irregardless, if you did have all of that, it wouldn't magically become 30 million.

I fully agree with it. Even with an AH, you can't triple it like that, Seinlo.

He's lowering numbers that I got from Populstat, and gravely underestimating how many people my claims in Ethiopia have, especially since there have been significant migrations to coastal areas.

I'm using populstat!

[Novacom]

Calculated the population of the Omani Empire or whatever based on Thrace's map:

Arabia: 1.3 million
Bahrain: 35,000
Qatar: 10,000
Oman: 170,000
Yemen: 2 million
Eritrea: 150,000
Ethiopia: ~2 million
Djibouti: 30,000
Somalia: ~500,000
Comoros: 85,000
Seychelles: 10,000
Madagascar: ~2 million
Tanzania: ~1 million
Kenya: 300,000

Grand total: ~9,590,000

There you go, Trace.

Tanzania has over 1 million, Eritrea, which I hold all of, has 100,000 more than what you suggested, Kenya has at least a million, Arabia has 1.5 million, the UAE has 80k, Yemen has 2.3 million, Burunudi has at least a million, the Comoros have 95,000, Ethiopia has waaay more than 2 million, and Zimbabwe has at least 300k.

Out of curiosity are you using Modern Day figures?

[Sanabel]

And what "significant coastal migrations"? All the good farmland in Kenya and Tanzania is in the highlands!

[Sanabel]

This is too much for me, I'm going AFK for a bit.

[Tracian Empire]

I trust Sanabel's stats more.

[Novacom]

I shall say this ONCE, and only ONCE Seinlo, chill out, the numbers are getting out of hand, some of your claims are getting out of hand, you do not need a massive populace nor can your lands support that, you can exert power in other ways, take a step back and think as you've even said yourself in a round about way your tactic is to outargue people here, it won't work so calm down think about it sensibly before you alienate people, as we won't think twice otherwise.

[Seinlo]

Tanzania has over 1 million, Eritrea, which I hold all of, has 100,000 more than what you suggested, Kenya has at least a million, Arabia has 1.5 million, the UAE has 80k, Yemen has 2.3 million, Burunudi has at least a million, the Comoros have 95,000, Ethiopia has waaay more than 2 million, and Zimbabwe has at least 300k.

Out of curiosity are you using Modern Day figures?

Nope. With modern day figures, Ethiopia would have much more than the 7.36 million it had in 1890 (there's another estimate given for 11.435 million).

With Ethiopia at 5.2 million, I get 14.941 million. Forget the coastal migrations, because Sanabel is still lowering the numbers for some areas on purpose.

My state-operated army then is under 2% (just under) at around 280 thousand, and I have room for the 350,000 mercenary troops thanks to funding. I'll edit the numbers, which are confusing, and make it seem like I have nearly a million soldiers >_> I hate wording

[Seinlo]

I shall say this ONCE, and only ONCE Seinlo, chill out, the numbers are getting out of hand, some of your claims are getting out of hand, you do not need a massive populace nor can your lands support that, you can exert power in other ways, take a step back and think as you've even said yourself in a round about way your tactic is to outargue people here, it won't work so calm down think about it sensibly before you alienate people, as we won't think twice otherwise.

Fine. I cut my population, but I still don't trust Sanabel's stats, simply because he doesn't like me. They're also off, if you actually look at populstat.

[Sanabel]

Out of curiosity are you using Modern Day figures?

Nope. With modern day figures, Ethiopia would have much more than the 7.36 million it had in 1890 (there's another estimate given for 11.435 million).

With Ethiopia at 5.2 million, I get 14.941 million. Forget the coastal migrations, because Sanabel is still lowering the numbers for some areas on purpose.

My state-operated army then is under 2% (just under) at around 280 thousand, and I have room for the 350,000 mercenary troops thanks to funding. I'll edit the numbers, which are confusing, and make it seem like I have nearly a million soldiers >_> I hate wording

But you don't have all of Ethiopia, and you have the least populous areas of the country. And I am not lowering the numbers.

That military seems a bit big, tbh

I shall say this ONCE, and only ONCE Seinlo, chill out, the numbers are getting out of hand, some of your claims are getting out of hand, you do not need a massive populace nor can your lands support that, you can exert power in other ways, take a step back and think as you've even said yourself in a round about way your tactic is to outargue people here, it won't work so calm down think about it sensibly before you alienate people, as we won't think twice otherwise.

Fine. I cut my population, but I still don't trust Sanabel's stats, simply because he doesn't like me. They're also off, if you actually look at populstat.

I don't like you? What are you talking about?

Chill, man.

[Seinlo]

9.45 million it is. Now I have to recalculate military numbers again... *Sighs.* Ihate numbers, and math. I'll go with Sanabel's numbers just necause I need to finish this appbefore I lose my muse.