1870 : Alternative Divergence [AH][OOC][REBOOT]

[Tracian Empire]

For almost the entire RP, we have only had combat with NPCs. But when two players do finally tangle, the most emphasis will be on what we write. While the point is rarely to just "win", relying on stuff like, "My army is large and well-equipped, and disciplined, and will fight to the very last man!" probably won't cut it.

Cambria has a massive navy, big new boats, and plenty of national pride. But a clever and tricksy player stands a great chance of outsmarting me.

So I, for one, hope to see our abundant creativity and cleverness put to best use.

Certainly. My wish isn't to sound harsh, and I more than certain that Void will have no problems with it, but I am a little stricter on the military due to my bad experiences in other roleplays.

[Seinlo]

Now that I am up and about, I can work on my app's problems

[Seinlo]

For almost the entire RP, we have only had combat with NPCs. But when two players do finally tangle, the most emphasis will be on what we write. While the point is rarely to just "win", relying on stuff like, "My army is large and well-equipped, and disciplined, and will fight to the very last man!" probably won't cut it.

Cambria has a massive navy, big new boats, and plenty of national pride. But a clever and tricksy player stands a great chance of outsmarting me.

So I, for one, hope to see our abundant creativity and cleverness put to best use.

I don't have anything special about my army, so they're well-equipped and disciplined... Perhaps I should edit that. Any suggestions?

[Tracian Empire]

For almost the entire RP, we have only had combat with NPCs. But when two players do finally tangle, the most emphasis will be on what we write. While the point is rarely to just "win", relying on stuff like, "My army is large and well-equipped, and disciplined, and will fight to the very last man!" probably won't cut it.

Cambria has a massive navy, big new boats, and plenty of national pride. But a clever and tricksy player stands a great chance of outsmarting me.

So I, for one, hope to see our abundant creativity and cleverness put to best use.

I don't have anything special about my army, so they're well-equipped and disciplined... Perhaps I should edit that. Any suggestions?

Well equipped and disciplined is pretty generic, especially if you don't have a historical tradition to base it upon. The Roman legionnaires have discipline as one of their strengths, but that because it was one of their historical strenghts.

Perhaps you could have your troops be really experienced at fighting in the desert, and have them be good as irregular warfare.

[Seinlo]

Oh, you said reliance. Yeah, I don't do that. I have versatile troops, and have things to play around with, but I couldn't really think of anything else for my strengths other than well-disciplined and well-funded. It's unfortunate, but while I canbe creative, I just can't seem to think of ways to make my army more unique.

Something xultur mayve? I'm at a loss.

[Seinlo]

I don't have anything special about my army, so they're well-equipped and disciplined... Perhaps I should edit that. Any suggestions?

Well equipped and disciplined is pretty generic, especially if you don't have a historical tradition to base it upon. The Roman legionnaires have discipline as one of their strengths, but that because it was one of their historical strenghts.

Perhaps you could have your troops be really experienced at fighting in the desert, and have them be good as irregular warfare.

We have more than desrrt than, though. I believe at least three of our claims are lush. I mean, Madagascar alone is an ecological heaven.

Perhaps I have troops experienced in two or three climates? I draw troops from every ethnicity, so is that possible?

I do like the idea of a capacity for irregular combat. I shall edit.

[The V O I D]

I'm just saying having the weaknesses you suggested on either front seems like overkill, considering my nation has built-in weaknesses. After all, with those three possible anti-government revolutions, on top of the fact I'm a rather small nation compared to some others population wise... I feel like it's a good compromise that my army/navy remain strong but have seemingly nominal weaknesses.

While they may not seem like enough to you, they are enough; when you combine them with my nation's other built-in weaknesses and the likes, it is entirely fair and balances out.

My personal opinion remains that those wouldn't count as actual weaknesses. But whatever, if you consider them to be enough, and the others also then I won't press this issue any further. I would still though like for those weaknesses of your country to be visible in the military, perhaps by pagan and/or communist influences into the military. And the other two weaknesses you mentioned should be reformulated since they don't make much sense like that.

I'll try to make them make more sense, and I did indeed to have some various political opinions divide the military slightly, as well as have that be one of many major issues facing Italia.

I'm hoping to at least get to the point in the RP wherein Empress Antonia Valentina is a thing before I move on to possibly do a coup/revolution or what-have-you, though. I figure with Emperor Quintus III and some form of "stable" existence, those issues will be major but won't tear Italia apart. Suddenly, when Antonia is Empress, things become a shitshow because she's incompetent in some form or another.

[Seinlo]

Wait, my military is highly professional. That wouldn't work. I mean, we could use some of the tactics, but I don't really have irregular officers.

[Cymrea]

For almost the entire RP, we have only had combat with NPCs. But when two players do finally tangle, the most emphasis will be on what we write. While the point is rarely to just "win", relying on stuff like, "My army is large and well-equipped, and disciplined, and will fight to the very last man!" probably won't cut it.

Cambria has a massive navy, big new boats, and plenty of national pride. But a clever and tricksy player stands a great chance of outsmarting me.

So I, for one, hope to see our abundant creativity and cleverness put to best use.

I don't have anything special about my army, so they're well-equipped and disciplined... Perhaps I should edit that. Any suggestions?

No, it's fine to have it in your app. Just don't rely on it when it comes to any actual combat RP.

In my decade+ of RPing on this site, there seems to me to be a couple of general styles:

One is very technical, which works well for modern tech, and is generally [this many of this class of equipment, with this ammunition/ordnance, this location, distance, target, et cetera]. Numbers and real world specs tend to be the primary determination of strength. Even then, this isn't a perfect system and still needs players to employ some kind of strategy.

Another style, which becomes more prevalent as the tech regresses, is to take equipment and numbers as a general framework of strength and relying much more on strategy and tactics, with much more room for clever shenanigans.

A third style is something like a third-person omniscient narrative - almost like a news report. For combat RP, this approach is very limited in it's usefulness.

[Tracian Empire]

My personal opinion remains that those wouldn't count as actual weaknesses. But whatever, if you consider them to be enough, and the others also then I won't press this issue any further. I would still though like for those weaknesses of your country to be visible in the military, perhaps by pagan and/or communist influences into the military. And the other two weaknesses you mentioned should be reformulated since they don't make much sense like that.

I'll try to make them make more sense, and I did indeed to have some various political opinions divide the military slightly, as well as have that be one of many major issues facing Italia.

I'm hoping to at least get to the point in the RP wherein Empress Antonia Valentina is a thing before I move on to possibly do a coup/revolution or what-have-you, though. I figure with Emperor Quintus III and some form of "stable" existence, those issues will be major but won't tear Italia apart. Suddenly, when Antonia is Empress, things become a shitshow because she's incompetent in some form or another.

Well, considering that the Eastern Emperor is himself pretty young and has taken power pretty recently, he will probably support Antonia if she becomes Empress. The Roman society especially won't have a big problem with it since it was ruled by Empresses in the past. And luckily for my Emperor, his transition was and will be pretty stable. It was expected, and the Roman state itself is built on a strict balance.

[Tracian Empire]

Well equipped and disciplined is pretty generic, especially if you don't have a historical tradition to base it upon. The Roman legionnaires have discipline as one of their strengths, but that because it was one of their historical strenghts.

Perhaps you could have your troops be really experienced at fighting in the desert, and have them be good as irregular warfare.

We have more than desrrt than, though. I believe at least three of our claims are lush. I mean, Madagascar alone is an ecological heaven.

Perhaps I have troops experienced in two or three climates? I draw troops from every ethnicity, so is that possible?

I do like the idea of a capacity for irregular combat. I shall edit.

Certainly. But I see your troops working more like the bedouins did against the Ottomans, as an example. Not that good at regular warfare, but knowing their surroundings and being really good at irregular and guerrila warfare.

[Waztaskio]

What was the spanish situation like on Mainland Spain? Was it divided or something? Might steal some land from it for my French Commune.

[Kargintina]

Reservation

Nation Name: Slavic Empire (temporary)
Territory: All that land left in Eastern Europe
#AltDiv (do not delete this, it's for keeping track of the apps)
*Note: Reservations will last for 48 hours

[Seinlo]

I don't have anything special about my army, so they're well-equipped and disciplined... Perhaps I should edit that. Any suggestions?

No, it's fine to have it in your app. Just don't rely on it when it comes to any actual combat RP.

In my decade+ of RPing on this site, there seems to me to be a couple of general styles:

One is very technical, which works well for modern tech, and is generally [this many of this class of equipment, with this ammunition/ordnance, this location, distance, target, et cetera]. Numbers and real world specs tend to be the primary determination of strength. Even then, this isn't a perfect system and still needs players to employ some kind of strategy.

Another style, which becomes more prevalent as the tech regresses, is to take equipment and numbers as a general framework of strength and relying much more on strategy and tactics, with much more room for clever shenanigans.

A third style is something like a third-person omniscient narrative - almost like a news report. For combat RP, this approach is very limited in it's usefulness.

I want senpai to teach me. I've always been horrible with strategies or tactics. Even in strategy games, I end up avoiding everyone else, slowly building up a massive military, and then turning every entry point into my country intk a choke point. It's repetitive, but not always effective, and I would like to be more effective.

[The V O I D]

I'll try to make them make more sense, and I did indeed to have some various political opinions divide the military slightly, as well as have that be one of many major issues facing Italia.

I'm hoping to at least get to the point in the RP wherein Empress Antonia Valentina is a thing before I move on to possibly do a coup/revolution or what-have-you, though. I figure with Emperor Quintus III and some form of "stable" existence, those issues will be major but won't tear Italia apart. Suddenly, when Antonia is Empress, things become a shitshow because she's incompetent in some form or another.

Well, considering that the Eastern Emperor is himself pretty young and has taken power pretty recently, he will probably support Antonia if she becomes Empress. The Roman society especially won't have a big problem with it since it was ruled by Empresses in the past. And luckily for my Emperor, his transition was and will be pretty stable. It was expected, and the Roman state itself is built on a strict balance.

Yeah. Emperor Quintus III was the youngest Emperor to take power in Italian history [relative to the Italian Empire]. Antonia will be the first Empress in a long time, and the first Empress who also happened to be the first child (as, traditionally, it was always the first son who'd be named heir). Antonia is also the eldest of three children, a son (Antonius Quintus IV; aged 13) and another daughter (Maria Valentina; aged 11).

I feel as though the Emperor of Eastern Rome won't be able to help but to see a golden opportunity to take Italia when it becomes destabilized at some point after Antonia's reign begins.

[Tracian Empire]

Reservation

Nation Name: Slavic Empire (temporary)
Territory: All that land left in Eastern Europe
#AltDiv (do not delete this, it's for keeping track of the apps)
*Note: Reservations will last for 48 hours

It's difficult to say what's free in Eastern Europe.

[Tracian Empire]

What was the spanish situation like on Mainland Spain? Was it divided or something? Might steal some land from it for my French Commune.

As far as I know, there is a reservation for a united Iberia.

[Waztaskio]

What was the spanish situation like on Mainland Spain? Was it divided or something? Might steal some land from it for my French Commune.

As far as I know, there is a reservation for a united Iberia.

That wouldn't be my old one correct? Cause I know before I went for France, I originally was going to do that.

[Sanabel]

Reservation

Nation Name: Slavic Empire (temporary)
Territory: All that land left in Eastern Europe
#AltDiv (do not delete this, it's for keeping track of the apps)
*Note: Reservations will last for 48 hours

It's difficult to say what's free in Eastern Europe.

And the free land in Eastern Europe is in fact mostly not Slavic. It's a lot of Romanian/Moldovan and Baltic, aside from the Polish lands.

[Waztaskio]

As far as I know, there is a reservation for a united Iberia.

That wouldn't be my old one correct? Cause I know before I went for France, I originally was going to do that.

Nevermind. Found the post. He gave up the claims.

I think that yes. Though we would very much like a small description of what you have in mind for those lands.

[Seinlo]

Wait, my military is highly professional. That wouldn't work. I mean, we could use some of the tactics, but I don't really have irregular officers.

@Trace

Like I said, they're highly professional. In fact, the majority of my state-operated army has been trained since they were children.

And yes, that does mean lots of schooling :/

[Tracian Empire]

Well, considering that the Eastern Emperor is himself pretty young and has taken power pretty recently, he will probably support Antonia if she becomes Empress. The Roman society especially won't have a big problem with it since it was ruled by Empresses in the past. And luckily for my Emperor, his transition was and will be pretty stable. It was expected, and the Roman state itself is built on a strict balance.

Yeah. Emperor Quintus III was the youngest Emperor to take power in Italian history [relative to the Italian Empire]. Antonia will be the first Empress in a long time, and the first Empress who also happened to be the first child (as, traditionally, it was always the first son who'd be named heir). Antonia is also the eldest of three children, a son (Antonius Quintus IV; aged 13) and another daughter (Maria Valentina; aged 11).

I feel as though the Emperor of Eastern Rome won't be able to help but to see a golden opportunity to take Italia when it becomes destabilized at some point after Antonia's reign begins.

For my Emperor, it's nothing out of the ordinary, he was the first purple born prince. Normal succession laws, and he was a Caesar for a few years before the death of his father.

Difficult to say. The Romans would certainly see it as an opportunity, but if Antonia manages to convince Julius and the Roman Senate for an alliance, the Romans aren't the kind to break their promises and alliances.

[Tracian Empire]

Wait, my military is highly professional. That wouldn't work. I mean, we could use some of the tactics, but I don't really have irregular officers.

@Trace

Like I said, they're highly professional. In fact, the majority of my state-operated army has been trained since they were children.

And yes, that does mean lots of schooling :/

That would also mean a small army from the point of view of numbers.

[Tracian Empire]

As far as I know, there is a reservation for a united Iberia.

That wouldn't be my old one correct? Cause I know before I went for France, I originally was going to do that.

Not that one, Zelent claimed it.

[Kargintina]

It's difficult to say what's free in Eastern Europe.

And the free land in Eastern Europe is in fact mostly not Slavic. It's a lot of Romanian/Moldovan and Baltic, aside from the Polish lands.

Hence the (temporary) next to the name.