1870 : Alternative Divergence [AH][OOC][REBOOT]

[Tracian Empire]

Too barbarian for Rome or its descendants.

Things you already took from us:

Land
Coronation ceremony
Cataphracts
Fire-throwing
Armenians
Social outlook on certain issues

The Romans know how to adapt. They take things from foreigners and make them more glorious than they were.

And the Greek Fire has nothing to do with the Persians.

But Provincia Armenia is Provincia Armenia.

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

I might post today

[Tracian Empire]

I might post today

"Might"

Gonna post IC soon maybe.

"Maybe"

[Cymrea]

I might post today

"Might"

Gonna post IC soon maybe.

"Maybe"

Cambria will be supporting your "stabilisation" of Araby.

[Tracian Empire]

"Might"


"Maybe"

Cambria will be supporting your "stabilisation" of Araby.

Well, Roman control of Arabia Felix means a safer Red Sea, a safer Red Sea means more profit from the Suez Canal, after all.

[Cymrea]

Cambria will be supporting your "stabilisation" of Araby.

Well, Roman control of Arabia Felix means a safer Red Sea, a safer Red Sea means more profit from the Suez Canal, after all.

Precisely.

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

Persian control of Arabia Felix means a more stable control of the Red Sea. You Romans are too angry all the time!

[Tracian Empire]

Persian control of Arabia Felix means a more stable control of the Red Sea. You Romans are too angry all the time!

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

Persian control of Arabia Felix means a more stable control of the Red Sea. You Romans are too angry all the time!

"We are Rome!"

>name implies Odrysian Kingdom
>Is actually Dacian though
>But uses the flag of Macedon

[Tracian Empire]

"We are Rome!"

>name implies Odrysian Kingdom
>Is actually Dacian though
>But uses the flag of Macedon

Yeah, my NS nation is complicated. Not enough is known about the Thracians for me to actually use them, so my nation is mostly Romanian.

And the flag is using the Vergina Sun because it's the symbol of the polytheistic pagan religion I created for this natioj
But Rome's glory lives on

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

"We are Rome!"

>name implies Odrysian Kingdom
>Is actually Dacian though
>But uses the flag of Macedon

Yeah, my NS nation is complicated. Not enough is known about the Thracians for me to actually use them, so my nation is mostly Romanian.

And the flag is using the Vergina Sun because it's the symbol of the polytheistic pagan religion I created for this natioj
But Rome's glory lives on

I dare say the Thracians are actually relatively well-understood. Of all the Paleobalkan peoples, they're perhaps the most well researched with the largest corpus of surviving writings. We know that they were famed for their peltasts, in comparison to other tribes who tended to favor bows. They drank wine, rather than beer, and were noted for their cavalry. They decorated themselves with tattoos, permanent, rather than the simple war paint of many other European tribes. A summary of mythology can be seen at the wikipedia page for paleobalkan mythology, although the Thracians shared a religion with the Dacians.

Even names can be assumed accurate, as generally speaking the Greeks and Romans were surprisingly good at rendering European barbarian names which were often structurally and phonetically similar to their own, though groups like the Scythians break this rule do to being Iranic.

[Tracian Empire]

Yeah, my NS nation is complicated. Not enough is known about the Thracians for me to actually use them, so my nation is mostly Romanian.

And the flag is using the Vergina Sun because it's the symbol of the polytheistic pagan religion I created for this natioj
But Rome's glory lives on

I dare say the Thracians are actually relatively well-understood. Of all the Paleobalkan peoples, they're perhaps the most well researched with the largest corpus of surviving writings. We know that they were famed for their peltasts, in comparison to other tribes who tended to favor bows. They drank wine, rather than beer, and were noted for their cavalry. They decorated themselves with tattoos, permanent, rather than the simple war paint of many other European tribes. A summary of mythology can be seen at the wikipedia page for paleobalkan mythology, although the Thracians shared a religion with the Dacians.

Even names can be assumed accurate, as generally speaking the Greeks and Romans were surprisingly good at rendering European barbarian names which were often structurally and phonetically similar to their own, though groups like the Scythians break this rule do to being Iranic.

Yes, but unfortunately not well enough for me to turn them into a modern nation. We don't know much about their mythology either, but I am using Thracian and Paleobalkan elements in the pagan religion I'm working on.

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

I dare say the Thracians are actually relatively well-understood. Of all the Paleobalkan peoples, they're perhaps the most well researched with the largest corpus of surviving writings. We know that they were famed for their peltasts, in comparison to other tribes who tended to favor bows. They drank wine, rather than beer, and were noted for their cavalry. They decorated themselves with tattoos, permanent, rather than the simple war paint of many other European tribes. A summary of mythology can be seen at the wikipedia page for paleobalkan mythology, although the Thracians shared a religion with the Dacians.

Even names can be assumed accurate, as generally speaking the Greeks and Romans were surprisingly good at rendering European barbarian names which were often structurally and phonetically similar to their own, though groups like the Scythians break this rule do to being Iranic.

Yes, but unfortunately not well enough for me to turn them into a modern nation.

Bah! That's what you think!

[The Tricolour]

Full Nation Name : The Republic of New England
Majority/Official Culture : American
Territorial Core : Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Conneticut, Rhode Island, New York, New Jersey, and what's left of Maryland and Pensylvania
Territorial Claim : None
Capital City : New York City
Population : 7,500,000

Government Type : Republic
Government Ideology/Policies : None
Government Focus : New England is focused on becoming a first-rate power.
Head of State : President Henry Wilson
Head of Government : Speaker of the House John Hoffman
Government Description : Functions like the US government

Majority/State Religion : Different forms of Protestant, Catholic
Religious Description : The government is secular, and most people have grown tolerant of all religions, but in some places, people are still discriminating based on religion.

Economic Ideologies : Capitalism
Major Production : Mostly mining, like steel and coal. A lot of foriegn trade is going on in New York and Boston.
Economic Description : New England's main two industries are foriegn trade and mining.

Army Strength : New England's soldiers are highly trained, and have high technology.
Army Weakness : The army is small, and is highly disorganized.
Naval Strength : The navy is up to date with it's ships.
Naval Weakness : Many "navy" ships are used for fishing.
Further Military Description : None.

National Goals : Rise to international prominence, not get into any wars.
National Issues : Corruption is rife in New England, and instablility because of immigrants
National Figures of Interest : None
National Ambition/Aspirations : None

History :

The Colonisation Era (1570-1785)
In 1570, shortly following the end of the War of the Roses, the defeated Yorkists fled from England, soon to be Cambria, and set sail for the New World, and founded the Kingdom of New England, but really functioned as an independent nation. Francis Drake, the founder of the colony, was coronated King Francis I. Shortly after, he named his heir James of Scotland, who also fled from England in his youth.
King Francis I began an age of expansion and settling. The kingdom prospered at the time, and all was good. However, in 1614, the Cambrians came up to New England. They tried to annex the Kingdom peacefully as a colony, but that wouldn't work. So, a short war began. After the Cambrians defeated the New English humiliatingly at the Battle of the Chesapeake, they were forced to submit. In the Treaty of New London, at the time the capitol of New England, James I would finish his reign, and then the Cambrians would annex New England as a colony.
James I died in 1625, and Cambrians moved in to occupy the region. However, the First Revolt was started. It lasted for two years, until 1627. The Cambrians responded harshly, by burning all of the New English cities down, including New London. These cities were replaced by cities like Boston and New York.
The New English felt like they were oppressed, even with the Freedom of Religion Act passed in 1629. However, fearing the harsh repricussions, they never did - until 1775. Then, the Atlantean Confederation declared independence. New England quickly followed suit, aiding their "Southern Brethren". They finally gained independence in 1785.

The Era of Freedom (1785-present day)
With their independence, the delegates of New England quickly convened to write a constitution. They took inspiration from the Roman Republic, and modeled their government after that.
The presidents were very successful. They managed to completely eliminate any Native Americans from their territory, pushing them west, and New England became the first country to abolish slavery, in 1821.
However, in the election of 1829, everything changed. The people supported a conservative, isolationist government. This government placed put them behind in industrialization for many years. This government absolutely dominated New England until the election of 1865. A new, more liberal government was put into place. In 5 years, this government has completely industrialized the nation. One of the most important projects was the Grand Canal, which connected New York City to Lake Erie.
Now, the new government is trying its best to build up it's world status, and become a big player on the world's stage.



Comparison Points – Political : 1.5
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : 2.5
Comparison Points – Economy : 3
Comparison Points – Military : 3
Total Comparison Points used (10 Points MAX) : 10/10
#AltDiv (do not delete this, it's for keeping track of the apps)

[Military Lands of the Scottish People]

Did this die.

I hope I did not jinx it.

[The Tricolour]

Did this die.

I hope I did not jinx it.

Why would it be dead?

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

Did this die.

I hope I did not jinx it.

Not dead, just slow

[Military Lands of the Scottish People]

Did this die.

I hope I did not jinx it.

Not dead, just slow

Oh.

[Tracian Empire]

Full Nation Name : The Republic of New England
Majority/Official Culture : American
Territorial Core : Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Conneticut, Rhode Island, New York, New Jersey, and what's left of Maryland and Pensylvania
Territorial Claim : None
Capital City : New York City
Population : 7,500,000

Government Type : Republic
Government Ideology/Policies : None
Government Focus : New England is focused on becoming a first-rate power.
Head of State : President Henry Wilson
Head of Government : Speaker of the House John Hoffman
Government Description : Functions like the US government

Majority/State Religion : Different forms of Protestant, Catholic
Religious Description : The government is secular, and most people have grown tolerant of all religions, but in some places, people are still discriminating based on religion.

Economic Ideologies : Capitalism
Major Production : Mostly mining, like steel and coal. A lot of foriegn trade is going on in New York and Boston.
Economic Description : New England's main two industries are foriegn trade and mining.

Army Strength : New England's soldiers are highly trained, and have high technology.
Army Weakness : The army is small, and is highly disorganized.
Naval Strength : The navy is up to date with it's ships.
Naval Weakness : Many "navy" ships are used for fishing.
Further Military Description : None.

National Goals : Rise to international prominence, not get into any wars.
National Issues : Corruption is rife in New England, and instablility because of immigrants
National Figures of Interest : None
National Ambition/Aspirations : None

History :

The Colonisation Era (1570-1785)
In 1570, shortly following the end of the War of the Roses, the defeated Yorkists fled from England, soon to be Cambria, and set sail for the New World, and founded the Kingdom of New England, but really functioned as an independent nation. Francis Drake, the founder of the colony, was coronated King Francis I. Shortly after, he named his heir James of Scotland, who also fled from England in his youth.
King Francis I began an age of expansion and settling. The kingdom prospered at the time, and all was good. However, in 1614, the Cambrians came up to New England. They tried to annex the Kingdom peacefully as a colony, but that wouldn't work. So, a short war began. After the Cambrians defeated the New English humiliatingly at the Battle of the Chesapeake, they were forced to submit. In the Treaty of New London, at the time the capitol of New England, James I would finish his reign, and then the Cambrians would annex New England as a colony.
James I died in 1625, and Cambrians moved in to occupy the region. However, the First Revolt was started. It lasted for two years, until 1627. The Cambrians responded harshly, by burning all of the New English cities down, including New London. These cities were replaced by cities like Boston and New York.
The New English felt like they were oppressed, even with the Freedom of Religion Act passed in 1629. However, fearing the harsh repricussions, they never did - until 1775. Then, the Atlantean Confederation declared independence. New England quickly followed suit, aiding their "Southern Brethren". They finally gained independence in 1785.

The Era of Freedom (1785-present day)
With their independence, the delegates of New England quickly convened to write a constitution. They took inspiration from the Roman Republic, and modeled their government after that.
The presidents were very successful. They managed to completely eliminate any Native Americans from their territory, pushing them west, and New England became the first country to abolish slavery, in 1821.
However, in the election of 1829, everything changed. The people supported a conservative, isolationist government. This government placed put them behind in industrialization for many years. This government absolutely dominated New England until the election of 1865. A new, more liberal government was put into place. In 5 years, this government has completely industrialized the nation. One of the most important projects was the Grand Canal, which connected New York City to Lake Erie.
Now, the new government is trying its best to build up it's world status, and become a big player on the world's stage.



Comparison Points – Political : 1.5
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : 2.5
Comparison Points – Economy : 3
Comparison Points – Military : 3
Total Comparison Points used (10 Points MAX) : 10/10
#AltDiv (do not delete this, it's for keeping track of the apps)

You're going to need much better military descriptions that that, unfortunately.

[The Tricolour]

Full Nation Name : The Republic of New England
Majority/Official Culture : American
Territorial Core : Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Conneticut, Rhode Island, New York, New Jersey, and what's left of Maryland and Pensylvania
Territorial Claim : None
Capital City : New York City
Population : 7,500,000

Government Type : Republic
Government Ideology/Policies : None
Government Focus : New England is focused on becoming a first-rate power.
Head of State : President Henry Wilson
Head of Government : Speaker of the House John Hoffman
Government Description : Functions like the US government
Majority/State Religion : Different forms of Protestant, Catholic
Religious Description : The government is secular, and most people have grown tolerant of all religions, but in some places, people are still discriminating based on religion.

Economic Ideologies : Capitalism
Major Production : Mostly mining, like steel and coal. A lot of foriegn trade is going on in New York and Boston.
Economic Description : New England's main two industries are foriegn trade and mining.

Army Strength : New England's soldiers are highly trained, and have high technology.
Army Weakness : The army is small, and is highly disorganized.
Naval Strength : The navy is up to date with it's ships.
Naval Weakness : Many "navy" ships are used for fishing.
Further Military Description : None.

National Goals : Rise to international prominence, not get into any wars.
National Issues : Corruption is rife in New England, and instablility because of immigrants
National Figures of Interest : None
National Ambition/Aspirations : None

History :

The Colonisation Era (1570-1785)
In 1570, shortly following the end of the War of the Roses, the defeated Yorkists fled from England, soon to be Cambria, and set sail for the New World, and founded the Kingdom of New England, but really functioned as an independent nation. Francis Drake, the founder of the colony, was coronated King Francis I. Shortly after, he named his heir James of Scotland, who also fled from England in his youth.
King Francis I began an age of expansion and settling. The kingdom prospered at the time, and all was good. However, in 1614, the Cambrians came up to New England. They tried to annex the Kingdom peacefully as a colony, but that wouldn't work. So, a short war began. After the Cambrians defeated the New English humiliatingly at the Battle of the Chesapeake, they were forced to submit. In the Treaty of New London, at the time the capitol of New England, James I would finish his reign, and then the Cambrians would annex New England as a colony.
James I died in 1625, and Cambrians moved in to occupy the region. However, the First Revolt was started. It lasted for two years, until 1627. The Cambrians responded harshly, by burning all of the New English cities down, including New London. These cities were replaced by cities like Boston and New York.
The New English felt like they were oppressed, even with the Freedom of Religion Act passed in 1629. However, fearing the harsh repricussions, they never did - until 1775. Then, the Atlantean Confederation declared independence. New England quickly followed suit, aiding their "Southern Brethren". They finally gained independence in 1785.

The Era of Freedom (1785-present day)
With their independence, the delegates of New England quickly convened to write a constitution. They took inspiration from the Roman Republic, and modeled their government after that.
The presidents were very successful. They managed to completely eliminate any Native Americans from their territory, pushing them west, and New England became the first country to abolish slavery, in 1821.
However, in the election of 1829, everything changed. The people supported a conservative, isolationist government. This government placed put them behind in industrialization for many years. This government absolutely dominated New England until the election of 1865. A new, more liberal government was put into place. In 5 years, this government has completely industrialized the nation. One of the most important projects was the Grand Canal, which connected New York City to Lake Erie.
Now, the new government is trying its best to build up it's world status, and become a big player on the world's stage.



Comparison Points – Political : 1.5
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : 2.5
Comparison Points – Economy : 3
Comparison Points – Military : 3
Total Comparison Points used (10 Points MAX) : 10/10
#AltDiv (do not delete this, it's for keeping track of the apps)

You're going to need much better military descriptions that that, unfortunately.

But the application said it was optional!

[Tracian Empire]

You're going to need much better military descriptions that that, unfortunately.

But the application said it was optional!

I'm talking about the strengths and weaknesses. Many "navy" ships are used for fishing isn't exactly a relevant weakness.

And not related, but while optional, a further military description, is recommended.

[Cabana]

Also I'm still here, I've just had a ton of shit to do at home and school so I haven't been able to post.

[Tracian Empire]

Also I'm still here, I've just had a ton of shit to do at home and school so I haven't been able to post.

It's okay

[Tracian Empire]

No other IC posts?

No?

I'll just leave this here then

[The Tricolour]

But the application said it was optional!

I'm talking about the strengths and weaknesses. Many "navy" ships are used for fishing isn't exactly a relevant weakness.

And not related, but while optional, a further military description, is recommended.

Well, having your navy ships as fishing ships would make it very hard to mobilize quickly, and if these ships did mobilize, then the people would have less food.