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Postby The V O I D » Tue Jan 03, 2017 2:38 pm

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Course, even then, Italia Proper would still be the largest/most populous province. :p

Which Provincia Thracia wouldn't like :P


Yeah, because then all power really defers to the Italians.

"hey guys i know we havent been together for a long time, but we basically own the senate now and the emperor/empress are the son/daughter of our empress, so."

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Postby Intermountain States » Tue Jan 03, 2017 2:38 pm

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Intermountain States wrote:Seek an ally quickly, that's the only advice I can give you.

It's not like OT is going to invade the country and occupy it in one post.

True, but Japan does have pretty good chances even with an ally on the other side.

Question, say Japan took over the Phillipines, can the Phillipines fight as a resistance group or is Pasong out of luck and have to pick a new country?
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Postby Tracian Empire » Tue Jan 03, 2017 2:58 pm

Intermountain States wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:True, but Japan does have pretty good chances even with an ally on the other side.

Question, say Japan took over the Phillipines, can the Phillipines fight as a resistance group or is Pasong out of luck and have to pick a new country?

Probably not. As I said, our policy has generally been against any rebel or resistance groups.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Tue Jan 03, 2017 2:59 pm

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Tracian Empire wrote:Which Provincia Thracia wouldn't like :P


Yeah, because then all power really defers to the Italians.

"hey guys i know we havent been together for a long time, but we basically own the senate now and the emperor/empress are the son/daughter of our empress, so."

They still wouldn't own the Senate though. The Eastern Imperium could coalize against them.
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:01 pm

Intermountain States wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:True, but Japan does have pretty good chances even with an ally on the other side.

Question, say Japan took over the Phillipines, can the Phillipines fight as a resistance group or is Pasong out of luck and have to pick a new country?

As a Filipino and descendant of a man (God bless his soul) who actually survived nearly three years in the mountains hiding from the Japanese... you get my point.

But then again I'm seriously asking if it would still be worth it because:

Pasong Tirad wrote:I've basically been warned that whatever I do if I get the Philippines, even if the rules clearly state I can take them, I'm fucked because what he wants to RP can't compromise for a new guy like me who also wants to try to RP so of course I have to scrap everything I had planned. Kinda sucks but what am I going to do?


Now I would still love to play but knowing that my fate lies in an invasion and, judging from the RP nation I was crafting, eventual colonization (which would lead to an RP rebellion he's stated that he doesn't want) it just kinda sucks to have a map of my RP experience drawn out for me and I really don't know what to do about it.

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Postby Old Tyrannia » Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:18 pm

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Old Tyrannia wrote:The Philippines are a Japanese colony. There is no reason for them to have a substantial Christian population, and I have no interest in allowing anyone to RP a rebellion in one of my most important colonies. If you do claim them, the OP board will make me give them up because of the "homeland>colony" rule, but you'll be invaded by me as soon as the RP starts because the Philippines is hugely important to me strategically.

Okay yeah you're pretty much saying I have no chance of playing.

That's the idea. You're basically asking me to give up the most important part of my empire, which is obviously not something I'm prepared to do.
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Postby The V O I D » Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:22 pm

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Yeah, because then all power really defers to the Italians.

"hey guys i know we havent been together for a long time, but we basically own the senate now and the emperor/empress are the son/daughter of our empress, so."

They still wouldn't own the Senate though. The Eastern Imperium could coalize against them.


...Hmm... true enough. But still, you get the point I was making, right?

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Postby Pasong Tirad » Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:25 pm

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Pasong Tirad wrote:Okay yeah you're pretty much saying I have no chance of playing.

That's the idea. You're basically asking me to give up the most important part of my empire, which is obviously not something I'm prepared to do.

Okay I get that but isn't this a reboot?

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Postby Tracian Empire » Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:26 pm

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Tracian Empire wrote:They still wouldn't own the Senate though. The Eastern Imperium could coalize against them.


...Hmm... true enough. But still, you get the point I was making, right?

Of course. Hence why a union won't be a walk in the park.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:27 pm

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Old Tyrannia wrote:That's the idea. You're basically asking me to give up the most important part of my empire, which is obviously not something I'm prepared to do.

Okay I get that but isn't this a reboot?

Yes, and no, but that wouldn't change the value the Philippines would have for the Japanese, no matter the answer.
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Postby Danceria » Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:32 pm

So...

Been away for awhile.

Can I still into Norse-odox with ludicrous colonial empire?
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Postby Tracian Empire » Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:34 pm

Danceria wrote:So...

Been away for awhile.

Can I still into Norse-odox with ludicrous colonial empire?

Certainly.
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Postby Intermountain States » Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:35 pm

So Paseong cannot continue to resist nor flee to another country to prepare for a return?
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Postby The V O I D » Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:39 pm

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...Hmm... true enough. But still, you get the point I was making, right?

Of course. Hence why a union won't be a walk in the park.


Yeah... feel bad for the future emperors and empresses of a united Rome.

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Postby Tracian Empire » Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:39 pm

Intermountain States wrote:So Paseong cannot continue to resist nor flee to another country to prepare for a return?

In accordance with our current policies, no.

But nothing like that ever happened before in this roleplay.
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Postby Danceria » Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:42 pm

Tracian Empire wrote:
Danceria wrote:So...

Been away for awhile.

Can I still into Norse-odox with ludicrous colonial empire?

Certainly.

Right. Hopefully an IC thread hasn't happened yet. I'm still trying to figure out how to app.

I'm not exactly credible in creating the most realistic history/claim, but I hope to be somewhat sensible.

Two things: One, is Orthodoxy (like it's real world counterpart) allowed to be spoken in the local languages? Or is it strict Latin?

Second, what's the status of the nations who helped explore the New World? I'd like to be one of the nations who at least started to (hence my presence in Argentina, which so far has been undisputed)
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Postby Intermountain States » Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:43 pm

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Intermountain States wrote:So Paseong cannot continue to resist nor flee to another country to prepare for a return?

In accordance with our current policies, no.

But nothing like that ever happened before in this roleplay.

Well, it looks like it's about to happen
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Postby Tracian Empire » Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:44 pm

Danceria wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:Certainly.

Right. Hopefully an IC thread hasn't happened yet. I'm still trying to figure out how to app.

I'm not exactly credible in creating the most realistic history/claim, but I hope to be somewhat sensible.

Two things: One, is Orthodoxy (like it's real world counterpart) allowed to be spoken in the local languages? Or is it strict Latin?

Second, what's the status of the nations who helped explore the New World? I'd like to be one of the nations who at least started to (hence my presence in Argentina, which so far has been undisputed)

Nope, no IC yet.

Yes, like the real world counterpart. Each nation can hold it in their won language. It's just that unlike in real life, the Ecumenical Patriarch keeps his strong position.

Difficult to say.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:45 pm

Intermountain States wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:In accordance with our current policies, no.

But nothing like that ever happened before in this roleplay.

Well, it looks like it's about to happen

And as I said, with our current policies, rebel groups are forbidden.
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:45 pm

Intermountain States wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:In accordance with our current policies, no.

But nothing like that ever happened before in this roleplay.

Well, it looks like it's about to happen

He's made it clear that even if I try to join my experience won't be fun.

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Postby Tracian Empire » Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:48 pm

Pasong Tirad wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:True, but Japan does have pretty good chances even with an ally on the other side.

I've basically been warned that whatever I do if I fet the Philippines, even if the rules clearly state I can take them, I'm fucked because what he wants to RP can't compromise for a new guy like me who also wants to try to RP so of course I have to scrap everything I had planned. Kinda sucks but what am I going to do?

Unfortunately, whether he wants to take over the Philippines or not is his choice. It doesn't break any rules. New players don't get an anti-player protection.
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Postby Intermountain States » Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:50 pm

Tracian Empire wrote:
Intermountain States wrote:Well, it looks like it's about to happen

And as I said, with our current policies, rebel groups are forbidden.

So once OT takes over the Phillipines, that's the end of that? No RP posts of the Filipino government fleeing to Southern China? No remnants of the military of the Philipines actively trying to resist foreign rule? It's just over?
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Postby Danceria » Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:52 pm

Tracian Empire wrote:
Danceria wrote:Right. Hopefully an IC thread hasn't happened yet. I'm still trying to figure out how to app.

I'm not exactly credible in creating the most realistic history/claim, but I hope to be somewhat sensible.

Two things: One, is Orthodoxy (like it's real world counterpart) allowed to be spoken in the local languages? Or is it strict Latin?

Second, what's the status of the nations who helped explore the New World? I'd like to be one of the nations who at least started to (hence my presence in Argentina, which so far has been undisputed)

Nope, no IC yet.

Yes, like the real world counterpart. Each nation can hold it in their won language. It's just that unlike in real life, the Ecumenical Patriarch keeps his strong position.

Difficult to say.

Wasn't sure. I was thinking about sticking to Runic language, but the thought of sharing the same alphabet with the Germanic Pagans would be...difficult to stomach, to say the least. Or if the Germans just used the Gothic Alphabet, that'd be peachy.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:54 pm

Pasong Tirad wrote:
Intermountain States wrote:Well, it looks like it's about to happen

He's made it clear that even if I try to join my experience won't be fun.

I know it may seem petty, but honestly, from my perspective letting you join and leaving you alone out of niceness is just an exercise of shooting myself in the foot. I'll be severely weakened by the loss of the Philippines, and there's not really any way I can change my claims to allow you play them that doesn't put me in a bad situation. It's not fair, from my perspective, that after all the time and effort I've invested I have to go back to being the underdog to make room for new players.
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Tue Jan 03, 2017 4:05 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:He's made it clear that even if I try to join my experience won't be fun.

I know it may seem petty, but honestly, from my perspective letting you join and leaving you alone out of niceness is just an exercise of shooting myself in the foot. I'll be severely weakened by the loss of the Philippines, and there's not really any way I can change my claims to allow you play them that doesn't put me in a bad situation.

It does seem petty, yes and the title literally says reboot so I really don't understand the problem. Believe me I am trying my hardest to try and see this from your perspective but I really can't unleas your empire is from the old thread in which case yeah okay sure but again it literally says in the title reboot. It's like if you had a shot up liver in your last IC you've just gotten a free transplant.

It's not fair, from my perspective, that after all the time and effort I've invested I have to go back to being the underdog to make room for new players.


Again, I still can't see understand it from your perspective, but that pretty much tells me I will not be able to play here and if I do it will be 0% fun, so I'll end it here because it is literally pointless as you've made your stand against compromising your story for a new guy very clear.

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