1870 : Alternative Divergence [AH][OOC][REBOOT]

[Tracian Empire]

I'm starting to dislike alternate history. I can't figure out how to get what I want with the history (I also don't seem to be writing it well, so I might just rewrite it entirely as a paragraphical thing, instead of a bulleted list), and there's so much lore to this RP that it's hard to keep track of for a newcomer. There's also a lot going on, and every other page you guys want to bring up a problem after we've concluded the last one, and all it does is irritate me more, and make me want to scream. It's fine to bring up problems, but don't bring them up after I'm told everything in my app is fine except for one thing, because that sends mixed messages, and I don't like that.

I told you that everything seemed to be okay, but I can certainly make mistakes. Other people are much more experienced in Oriental and Muslim stuff, hence why I am asking for their help.

And your constant attitude and refusal to accept critics, while also pushing everything out of bounds isn't helping either.

[Tracian Empire]

different courts for different religions.

Yes, exactly. And Sharia law will have nothing to do with the economy. Don't forget the Qanun, which is a secular legal system, which has nothing to do with "different courts for different religions".

^^^^

Like I said above xD

Which means that your empire will be ruled by Sharia. You said that your majority is Muslim anyway.

[Novacom]

You are aware that the Caliphate may not actually exist, the absolute mangling could mean that he could be a disgraced prophet, his words revered yet his actions reviled, I'll be blunt, your going to have to choose SOMETHING and stick to it, you can't jump around and pick things that sound good and throw them into a melting pot, not without making it convincing, cherry picking the best and ignoring the downsides doesn't work.

Also having Danceria do a lot of the leg work for you isn't the best of ideas, given you need to RP this, not him, hence why I haven't gotten overly involved with your request for ideas, there's a lot of possibilities but then it wouldn't be your nation, I'd in essence be doing your app for you which I nor anybody else would/should do.

Kay. I don't know how to make guidances, or how to get what I want for this nation (the history is a douchebag), and not helping me just irritates me.

Additionally, I already said that I will have secular and religious courts existing at the same time. My agglomeration, which is being edited a little, and given an actual name, will still exist.

However, if you ruin Islam to that point, and put me at a disadvantage so that others can have an advantage, I'm not sure RPing a shattered nation with a shattered religion will appeal to me. I can't have any fun with something so broken.

Again your jumping to conclusions, and your the one who has decided on even being Islamic, I've also said why I'm not going to DO things for you, a bit of time on Wikipedia and using your imagination will go along way, instead your complaining at us when we turn round and say no you can't glue scissors to a rock and win everything.

If you can't be patient and think things out then I'd take a step back and think about what you actually want to accomplish, if you can't come up with a concept and make it work despite adversity then your not going to be able to RP it and having a go at us because of that isn't our problem and you need to stop taking that out on us, bearing in mind we're the ones you would be RPing with actively alienating us isn't going to work.

[Seinlo]

So, yes, secular law and religious law will be existing at the same time. Thanks for trying to argue with me about it.

[Tracian Empire]

So, yes, secular law and religious law will be existing at the same time. Thanks for trying to argue with me about it.

And the fact that most of the population is Muslim will cause your secular law to do.. nothing, except from weakening the position of your Sultan and Caliph.

Look at the exact Ottoman Empire you mentioned.

[Seinlo]

So, yes, secular law and religious law will be existing at the same time. Thanks for trying to argue with me about it.

And the fact that most of the population is Muslim will cause your secular law to do.. nothing, except from weakening the position of your Sultan and Caliph.

Look at the exact Ottoman Empire you mentioned.

Is it possible for a nation with strict Sharia law to have a happy populace, or to have the economic prowess that I wish to yield? Perhaps Sharia law doesn't play into the economy?

[Seinlo]

I just don't like the idea of Sharia law because it might make some people in my population sad, and that bothers me. Plus, the economy thing.

[Tracian Empire]

And the fact that most of the population is Muslim will cause your secular law to do.. nothing, except from weakening the position of your Sultan and Caliph.

Look at the exact Ottoman Empire you mentioned.

Is it possible for a nation with strict Sharia law to have a happy populace, or to have the economic prowess that I wish to yield? Perhaps Sharia law doesn't play into the economy?

Do you know what the Sharia law is?

[Sanabel]

And the fact that most of the population is Muslim will cause your secular law to do.. nothing, except from weakening the position of your Sultan and Caliph.

Look at the exact Ottoman Empire you mentioned.

Is it possible for a nation with strict Sharia law to have a happy populace, or to have the economic prowess that I wish to yield? Perhaps Sharia law doesn't play into the economy?

You know Sharia is in favor of taxation of the rich and redistribution of wealth to the poor, right?

And yes, a nation can have Sharia and be happy. There's a reason why sharia is actually fairly popular in the global Islamic community.

[Seinlo]

Is it possible for a nation with strict Sharia law to have a happy populace, or to have the economic prowess that I wish to yield? Perhaps Sharia law doesn't play into the economy?

Do you know what the Sharia law is?

I've kind of been ignoring researching that, because I wasn't going to have Sharia law in the first place... *coughs.* In retrospect, that might not have been a good idea. I mean, I understand that the Tanzimat reforms upset the Muslims who were fine with how Sharia law influenced their lives (thus causing a negative impact), but aside from it being demonized by the West, there's very little I know about it.

Is it possible for a nation with strict Sharia law to have a happy populace, or to have the economic prowess that I wish to yield? Perhaps Sharia law doesn't play into the economy?

You know Sharia is in favor of taxation of the rich and redistribution of wealth to the poor, right?

And yes, a nation can have Sharia and be happy. There's a reason why sharia is actually fairly popular in the global Islamic community.

I'm also slightly biased because I'm a double minority (possibly triple). [gayness isn't well received, though the Ottoman Empire did have a lot of tolerance for other races, when I think about a certain black fighter pilot]

[Trotza]

I just don't like the idea of Sharia law because it might make some people in my population sad, and that bothers me. Plus, the economy thing.

Most people are going to be poor anyway. Doesn't mean they're going to be "unhappy", the majority just lived with it because that's the way things were.

[Seinlo]

I just don't like the idea of Sharia law because it might make some people in my population sad, and that bothers me. Plus, the economy thing.

Most people are going to be poor anyway. Doesn't mean they're going to be "unhappy", the majority just lived with it because that's the way things were.

With a small enough population, and a strong enough economy and economic policies, as well as modern education, and working to lower poverty, I might be able to avoid the 'most people being poor' part.... probably not, though. I mean, seriously, until oil my economy will never reach it's full potential.

HEY! What if I had a guidance that allows me to discover oil!

That probably won't happen either, though.

[Old Tyrannia]

And the fact that most of the population is Muslim will cause your secular law to do.. nothing, except from weakening the position of your Sultan and Caliph.

Look at the exact Ottoman Empire you mentioned.

Is it possible for a nation with strict Sharia law to have a happy populace, or to have the economic prowess that I wish to yield? Perhaps Sharia law doesn't play into the economy?

The UAE operates under Islamic law, and it is one of the richest countries in the world. It's people aren't exactly miserable twenty-four-seven, either.

I just don't like the idea of Sharia law because it might make some people in my population sad, and that bothers me.

That's preposterous. These are fictional people living in a fictional 19th century country. It's not like anywhere in the world in this period is a liberal utopia filled with shiny happy people holding hands.

[Seinlo]

Is it possible for a nation with strict Sharia law to have a happy populace, or to have the economic prowess that I wish to yield? Perhaps Sharia law doesn't play into the economy?

The UAE operates under Islamic law, and it is one of the richest countries in the world. It's people aren't exactly miserable twenty-four-seven, either.

I just don't like the idea of Sharia law because it might make some people in my population sad, and that bothers me.

That's preposterous. These are fictional people living in a fictional 19th century country. It's not like anywhere in the world in this period is a liberal utopia filled with shiny happy people holding hands.

I know it's preposterous. I've been told that I'm too nice sometimes :c

Okay, okay, I will have Sharia law. I probably won't implement all of it though, since nations don't do that, and only pick some of the laws (still, a lot of them will probably make their way into my nation).

Okay then. So, onto rewriting this app section for the 5th time today.

[Seinlo]

I also have research to do :c I hate research, but it's necessary.

[Sanabel]

Most people are going to be poor anyway. Doesn't mean they're going to be "unhappy", the majority just lived with it because that's the way things were.

With a small enough population, and a strong enough economy and economic policies, as well as modern education, and working to lower poverty, I might be able to avoid the 'most people being poor' part.... probably not, though. I mean, seriously, until oil my economy will never reach it's full potential.

HEY! What if I had a guidance that allows me to discover oil!

That probably won't happen either, though.

It's 1870 Africa/Arabia, not 2010s Denmark we are talking about here

[Trotza]

Is it possible for a nation with strict Sharia law to have a happy populace, or to have the economic prowess that I wish to yield? Perhaps Sharia law doesn't play into the economy?

The UAE operates under Islamic law, and it is one of the richest countries in the world. It's people aren't exactly miserable twenty-four-seven, either.

Yeah, because they can subsidize the entire populace with shitloads of oil money. Seinlo on the other hand is gonna need plenty of taxes. Which tend to make the lower classes more miserable.

[Old Tyrannia]

I'm also slightly biased because I'm a double minority (possibly triple). [gayness isn't well received, though the Ottoman Empire did have a lot of tolerance for other races, when I think about a certain black fighter pilot]

I'm a gaijin, hasn't stopped me RPing as a raging Japanese supremacist state.

[Sanabel]

The UAE operates under Islamic law, and it is one of the richest countries in the world. It's people aren't exactly miserable twenty-four-seven, either.

Yeah, because they can subsidize the entire populace with shitloads of oil money. Seinlo on the other hand is gonna need plenty of taxes. Which tend to make the lower classes more miserable.

Dont forget that they utilize borderline slave labor.

[Seinlo]

I'm also slightly biased because I'm a double minority (possibly triple). [gayness isn't well received, though the Ottoman Empire did have a lot of tolerance for other races, when I think about a certain black fighter pilot]

I'm a gaijin, hasn't stopped me RPing as a raging Japanese supremacist state.

Gasps.

So, is it possible for me to have a guidance where I discovered oil? Anyone at all know if this is possible, or should I just go something else for the economic boom of the guidance?

[Sanabel]

I'm also slightly biased because I'm a double minority (possibly triple). [gayness isn't well received, though the Ottoman Empire did have a lot of tolerance for other races, when I think about a certain black fighter pilot]

I'm a gaijin, hasn't stopped me RPing as a raging Japanese supremacist state.

And I'm a Belarusian who likes to RP as expansionist Russian nations.

I'm a gaijin, hasn't stopped me RPing as a raging Japanese supremacist state.

Gasps.

So, is it possible for me to have a guidance where I discovered oil? Anyone at all know if this is possible, or should I just go something else for the economic boom of the guidance?

Useless aside from kerosene production at this time.

[Trotza]

The UAE operates under Islamic law, and it is one of the richest countries in the world. It's people aren't exactly miserable twenty-four-seven, either.

That's preposterous. These are fictional people living in a fictional 19th century country. It's not like anywhere in the world in this period is a liberal utopia filled with shiny happy people holding hands.

I know it's preposterous. I've been told that I'm too nice sometimes :c

Okay, okay, I will have Sharia law. I probably won't implement all of it though, since nations don't do that, and only pick some of the laws (still, a lot of them will probably make their way into my nation).

Okay then. So, onto rewriting this app section for the 5th time today.

Also the whole "we're pacifists who avoid war but somehow we ended up with an empire" thing seems more than a bit questionable. Pick one.

[Trotza]

Yeah, because they can subsidize the entire populace with shitloads of oil money. Seinlo on the other hand is gonna need plenty of taxes. Which tend to make the lower classes more miserable.

Dont forget that they utilize borderline slave labor.

Well that does fit a bit better with the time period we're going for here.

[Seinlo]

I know it's preposterous. I've been told that I'm too nice sometimes :c

Okay, okay, I will have Sharia law. I probably won't implement all of it though, since nations don't do that, and only pick some of the laws (still, a lot of them will probably make their way into my nation).

Okay then. So, onto rewriting this app section for the 5th time today.

Also the whole "we're pacifists who avoid war but somehow we ended up with an empire" thing seems more than a bit questionable. Pick one.

Never said they were pacifists I said they were more peaceful with those who could threaten them. I never said anything about what they did with lesser powers. Unless I described it badly... which I tend to do >_>

[Tracian Empire]

I'm also slightly biased because I'm a double minority (possibly triple). [gayness isn't well received, though the Ottoman Empire did have a lot of tolerance for other races, when I think about a certain black fighter pilot]

I'm a gaijin, hasn't stopped me RPing as a raging Japanese supremacist state.

I'm from the bloodline of Rome, so I'm proud to play as Roma Aeterna!