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Seinlo
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Postby Seinlo » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:17 am

Danceria wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:Why would that be?

I already said from the beginning that the early part with Crusades and all might not hold.

But as there was no Islamic Renaissance, the shrewdness of the Rasulids and power/techness that would ensue may not work.


:( that would mean scrapping my navy, my army, and being reduced to levels that are completely unfair because I would never have been able to expand, and thus wouldn't have any valuable land.

That completely ruins my concept. I don't like this guidance, anymore. All it's doing is giving my nation yet another disadvantage.
Depression kind of goes along with not being liked, especially when you ask for help, and don't get it. Remember that, okay? There are people who need someone, even if in a small way. Don't avoid them because of a misunderstanding, them having a bad day, and definitely not because everyone else does it. Even if it's just a fifteen minute conversation about nothing, it might help.

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Postby Tracian Empire » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:18 am

Seinlo wrote:
Danceria wrote:But as there was no Islamic Renaissance, the shrewdness of the Rasulids and power/techness that would ensue may not work.


:( that would mean scrapping my navy, my army, and being reduced to levels that are completely unfair because I would never have been able to expand, and thus wouldn't have any valuable land.

That completely ruins my concept. I don't like this guidance, anymore. All it's doing is giving my nation yet another disadvantage.

How does it?

It merely blocks Islam from expanding into Europe or northern Africa. And a direct consequence of that is that yes, the Islam would have no Golden Age in the sense that it had in real life.
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Seinlo
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Postby Seinlo » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:20 am

Tracian Empire wrote:
Danceria wrote:But as there was no Islamic Renaissance, the shrewdness of the Rasulids and power/techness that would ensue may not work.

I said from the beginning that Islam is crushed and sent back early on. I can't afford a strong Muslim presence in the centuries needed for the Imperium to solidify its territories.


There are going to be three Muslim player nations. It includes Elerian's, Mauristan's, and my own. Islam isn't going to be small, Trace. There are tens of millions of us.

Tracian Empire wrote:
Seinlo wrote:
:( that would mean scrapping my navy, my army, and being reduced to levels that are completely unfair because I would never have been able to expand, and thus wouldn't have any valuable land.

That completely ruins my concept. I don't like this guidance, anymore. All it's doing is giving my nation yet another disadvantage.

How does it?

It merely blocks Islam from expanding into Europe or northern Africa. And a direct consequence of that is that yes, the Islam would have no Golden Age in the sense that it had in real life.


Oh. I don't know. I'm just concerned because Danceria mentioned scrapping my app's history.
Depression kind of goes along with not being liked, especially when you ask for help, and don't get it. Remember that, okay? There are people who need someone, even if in a small way. Don't avoid them because of a misunderstanding, them having a bad day, and definitely not because everyone else does it. Even if it's just a fifteen minute conversation about nothing, it might help.

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Postby Novacom » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:21 am

Seinlo wrote:
Danceria wrote:But as there was no Islamic Renaissance, the shrewdness of the Rasulids and power/techness that would ensue may not work.


:( that would mean scrapping my navy, my army, and being reduced to levels that are completely unfair because I would never have been able to expand, and thus wouldn't have any valuable land.

That completely ruins my concept. I don't like this guidance, anymore. All it's doing is giving my nation yet another disadvantage.


Rubbish, Islam being what it was wouldn't have built what you did, it's already been said you wouldn't have been a power house which you accepted Be sensible the sky is not falling and use some creativity instead, especially as you'd already been told you wern't getting any Pakistan at all.

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Postby Tracian Empire » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:21 am

Seinlo wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:I said from the beginning that Islam is crushed and sent back early on. I can't afford a strong Muslim presence in the centuries needed for the Imperium to solidify its territories.


There are going to be three Muslim player nations. It includes Elerian's, Mauristan's, and my own. Islam isn't going to be small, Trace. There are tens of millions of us.

Tracian Empire wrote:How does it?

It merely blocks Islam from expanding into Europe or northern Africa. And a direct consequence of that is that yes, the Islam would have no Golden Age in the sense that it had in real life.


Oh. I don't know. I'm just concerned because Danceria mentioned scrapping my app's history.

And none of those tens of millions will be near my limes, so.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:22 am

And I already did say countless times that half of his history, from Islam reaching Persia and to the Crusades won't stand.
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Postby Seinlo » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:23 am

Novacom wrote:
Seinlo wrote:
:( that would mean scrapping my navy, my army, and being reduced to levels that are completely unfair because I would never have been able to expand, and thus wouldn't have any valuable land.

That completely ruins my concept. I don't like this guidance, anymore. All it's doing is giving my nation yet another disadvantage.


Rubbish, Islam being what it was wouldn't have built what you did, it's already been said you wouldn't have been a power house which you accepted Be sensible the sky is not falling and use some creativity instead, especially as you'd already been told you wern't getting any Pakistan at all.


This has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. Where did I mention Pakistan? Where did I mentioj being a power house?

All I mentioned was not wanting to have a totally worthless nation.

Tracian Empire wrote:And I already did say countless times that half of his history, from Islam reaching Persia and to the Crusades won't stand.


Never said Islam reached Persia.

Bur, alright, I'll just let you guys chew me out, and explode, and take out your frustrations on me
Depression kind of goes along with not being liked, especially when you ask for help, and don't get it. Remember that, okay? There are people who need someone, even if in a small way. Don't avoid them because of a misunderstanding, them having a bad day, and definitely not because everyone else does it. Even if it's just a fifteen minute conversation about nothing, it might help.

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Postby Tracian Empire » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:24 am

Seinlo wrote:
Novacom wrote:
Rubbish, Islam being what it was wouldn't have built what you did, it's already been said you wouldn't have been a power house which you accepted Be sensible the sky is not falling and use some creativity instead, especially as you'd already been told you wern't getting any Pakistan at all.


This has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. Where did I mention Pakistan? Where did I mentioj being a power house?

All I mentioned was not wanting to have a totally worthless nation.

Tracian Empire wrote:And I already did say countless times that half of his history, from Islam reaching Persia and to the Crusades won't stand.


Never said Islam reached Persia.

Bur, alright, I'll just let you guys chew me out, and explode, and take out your frustrations on me

It says at the beginning of your history.
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Postby Waztaskio » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:25 am

Waztaskio wrote:Full Nation Name : French Federative Socialist Republic (Commune of France.)
Majority/Official Culture : French
Territorial Core : Mainland France (The parts not owned by Burgundy), and the Eastern portions of Spain.
Territorial Claim : None.
Capital City : Paris
Population : 50,067,094

Government Type : Federal Delescluzist One Party Socialist State
Government Ideology/Policies : N/A
Government Focus : Economy, Legitimacy, Culture.
Head of State : Chairman of the Executive Committee of the French People's Congress Jules Guesde
Head of Government : Premier of the French Commune Louis Charles Delescluze
Government Description : The Government of the Commune of France is divided into a Legislative, Judicial, and Executive Branch with all three being subjective to the Legislative. The Legislative is known as the French People's Congress, composed of two houses. The Commune of the Union, composed of 126 voting members and the Commune of Regions composed of 26 voting members appointed by regional government councils, who both appoints the Chairman of the Executive Committee, Premier of the French Commune, and the appointment of Supreme Court Justices and convenes once every 5 years unless called for a special session. The Revolutionary Committee functioned as a congress of appointed representatives to handle oversight of the state when the Congress was not in session. The Revolutionary Committee is headed by the Premier, and is responsible for the establishment of the ideals of both of French Revolution and the establishment of the state in accordance with socialist principles. It holds the power to issue laws, create ministries, oversee policies, call for impeachment of the Chairman, and serve as general oversight and review of the French government. Governed by the National Republican Party, ran by the Premier.

Majority/State Religion : Majority Protestant, however no official state religion.
Religious Description : N/A

Economic Ideologies : Socialism
Major Production : Agriculture, Finance, Manufacturing
Economic Description : The French Commune is an industrial powerhouse, with agriculture elements still existing in many regions as well. With urbanization at an all time high, many labor jobs by unskilled workers have been taken leading to a development of railroads and other industrial goods to service the french worker. The economy is mainly overseen by the Regional Councils, who invest in certain industries in order to encourage growth in areas most needed which has lead to many new industries taking hold and expanding the french economy.

Army Strength : Composed of 300,000 men who are well equipped, well trained, and have good leadership. Divided into the French Army, and French National Guard. With the French Army holding 210,000 and the National Guard holding 90,000.
Army Weakness : Rather small compared to other European armies, and suffers from low morale due to their recent leadership changes and loss of colonies.
Naval Strength : 49 Ironclads of which 14 were Frigates capable of 14 knots and mounting 24 guns, 9 Corvettes armed with 16cm and 19cm ordnance. And 26 Ship of the Lines. Very strong navy with good armament, and naval doctrine.
Naval Weakness : Lack of Naval Officers following the Communes Establishment.
Further Military Description : The French Armed Forces is under the control of The Revolutionary Committee, placing the general leadership of the military under the Premier in an operational capacity, but recognizes the Chairman as the de jure commander in chief. The military is split between the French Army, French National Guard, French Marines, and the French Navy all being placed into a Ministry of Defence underneath the Revolutionary Committee.

National Goals : Encourage the spread of socialist thought across the world. (World Revolution!)
National Issues : Internal Political Stability (Infighting between factions), and External Security.
National Figures of Interest : Jules Guesde is the first, due to him being a main figure behind the commune movement. With his writings ushering french socialist ideals and his propaganda spread amongst the workers, makes him invaluable among keeping the social movement alive. Charles Delescluze, the Premier of the state was known for his militancy in dealing with the old regime and the official enforcer and leader of the National Republican Party (NRP). Also known for instituting Delescluzism, which is a mix between economic socialism combined with elements of capitalism to allow for the government to have a decentralized role in economics, by instead of fully controlling the large business entities, but instead granting certain bonuses and privileges to certain industries and promoting investment, while allowing other industries to develop on their own. However, regulation is pressed on all business entities throughout france, and the rights of the public worker are always taken into account before the rights of business owners. Paul Lafargue, advocates for a more Marxist State and is popular with the younger elements of the National Republican Party, advocating for a vanguard and advancement of a Marxist State. Believes the current state is to moderate. Louis Auguste Blanqui, advocating for Blanquism which advocates that socialist revolution should be carried out by a relatively small group of highly organised and secretive conspirators. Popular in France with certain intellectuals, but not anywhere else.
National Ambition/Aspirations : World Socialist Revolution.

History :
  • May 5th, 1789 - 9th November 1799 - French Revolution begins, throughout the period socialist movements begin to spring up in support of the ideas of Liberty, Equality, and Fraternity. Creation of the French Council of Socialist, with membership growing due to popularity achieved during this period.
  • November 9th 1799 - April 6, 1814 - Napoleon Bonaparte's coup is supported by the French Council of Socialist, with many in the council serving in various low government positions within napoleons government during this time.
  • July 8th 1815 - September 16th 1836 - French Council of Socialist begins to be target Louis XVIII after the reestablishment of a monarchy. Establishing printing presses to publish anti-monarchist propaganda, and printing the new government as a puppet of other European powers. This soon lead to a campaign of violence across France with Anti-Monarchist and Pro-Napoleon forces engaging in violence against Pro-Monarchist and Anti-Napoleon forces.
  • 1836-1848 - During these years, the French Council of Socialist began to take part in a more bloody campaign against the Pro-Monarchist and Anti-Napoleon forces which they called the "White Forces." And the White Forces began calling the other the "Red Forces." Over the years, these groups engaged in various violent actions with killings and arson taking place on all sides. Eventually, the Red Forces won out by assisting Napoleon III into proclaiming a French Second Republic, and appointing various leaders of the French Council of Socialist to important positions.
  • 1848-1864 - During these years, the French Council of Socialist continued to grow and Napoleon III set up the second French Empire. During these times, Louis Charles Delescluze began to rally up political capital in the French Council of Socialist and officially split the council by establishing his own National Republican Party. The party was not a collection of various socialist ideologies like the old French Council of Socialist, but rather a party advocating a particular type of socialism spoke and written by Delescluze. He was later joined by young writer Jules Guesde and Paul Lafargue, which lead to his stance becoming super popular all throughout france. In 1866, the National Republican Party stormed into parliment, declaring that the Second French Empire no longer served the interests of France and that the National Republican Party shall guide the nation. The NRP were supported by the French National Guard, and a majority of the french working class.
  • 1864-1865 - Napoleon III, ordered the French Army to begin to arrests the leaders of the coup and attempted to remain in control. This lead to a short, but bloody civil war spanning over 300,000 causalities, leading to the trial and execution of Napoleon III by the conspirators. The French Federative Socialist Republic was officially declared during this time.
  • 1865-1867 - The French Federative Socialist Republic ended a number of practices of the old french regime, and instituted the new ideology of Delescluzism throughout France. Many old land owners were replaced, and leadership in the French Navy was put on trial and executed. This period was known as "The Transformation of French Society and Customs." And lead to France not only successfully transitioning into a socialist country, but also maintaining the successes of the French Revolution that was fought for years ago.
  • 1867-1869 - The French Federative Socialist Republic begins an official military campaign into Iberia, intending to conquer new land for industry after the loss of many portions of Eastern France from Spain. The war drags on for two years, ending in a decisive French Victory once Madrid was taken.
  • 1869-1870 - Spain succeeds eastern territories of Catalonia, Aragon, Navarre, Basque Country, La Rioja, and Valencia to France, maintaining the rest for spain. French troops held in eastern regions for peacekeeping purposes, helping to legitimize the new government.


Comparison Points – Political : 3
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : 2
Comparison Points – Economy : 3
Comparison Points – Military : 2
Total Comparison Points used (10 Points MAX) : 10/10


Reposted for official acceptance with updated claims after certain claims were dropped.
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Seinlo
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Postby Seinlo » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:25 am

Tracian Empire wrote:
Seinlo wrote:
This has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. Where did I mention Pakistan? Where did I mentioj being a power house?

All I mentioned was not wanting to have a totally worthless nation.



Never said Islam reached Persia.

Bur, alright, I'll just let you guys chew me out, and explode, and take out your frustrations on me

It says at the beginning of your history.


It specifically said that it didn't reach far into Persia, and I removed that part in my doc, as I removed the in-fighting.

Chill, Trace. I'm not in the mood to deal with this right now.
Depression kind of goes along with not being liked, especially when you ask for help, and don't get it. Remember that, okay? There are people who need someone, even if in a small way. Don't avoid them because of a misunderstanding, them having a bad day, and definitely not because everyone else does it. Even if it's just a fifteen minute conversation about nothing, it might help.

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Postby Novacom » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:26 am

Seinlo wrote:
Novacom wrote:
Rubbish, Islam being what it was wouldn't have built what you did, it's already been said you wouldn't have been a power house which you accepted Be sensible the sky is not falling and use some creativity instead, especially as you'd already been told you wern't getting any Pakistan at all.


This has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. Where did I mention Pakistan? Where did I mentioj being a power house?

All I mentioned was not wanting to have a totally worthless nation.

Tracian Empire wrote:And I already did say countless times that half of his history, from Islam reaching Persia and to the Crusades won't stand.


Never said Islam reached Persia.

Bur, alright, I'll just let you guys chew me out, and explode, and take out your frustrations on me


If I was chewing you up or taking my Frustrations out on you you'd more than know about it.

You don't have a totally worthless nation, you mentioned Pakistan because of the Ghurid's, you mentioned being worthless despite not being so, so I shall repeat what I said Before.

The Sky is not falling, Use some Creativity.

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Postby Tracian Empire » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:27 am

Seinlo wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:It says at the beginning of your history.


It specifically said that it didn't reach far into Persia, and I removed that part in my doc, as I removed the in-fighting.

Chill, Trace. I'm not in the mood to deal with this right now.

I am perfectly claim. But this isn't your fault, you are the one who worked on a history with the full knowledge that it might not be kept.
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Postby Seinlo » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:27 am

Besides, even if it did reach Persia (which would probably happen through waterways), if it didn't pass the Yazd province, the Zoroastrians could have still gained control of the nation.

We don't even know if Persia is being made, either, but that probably wouldn't have any impact on anything except for claims.
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Postby Seinlo » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:28 am

I don't even care anymore. I'm being fumed at, and ganged up on, and there's no reason for it.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:29 am

Seinlo wrote:Besides, even if it did reach Persia (which would probably happen through waterways), if it didn't pass the Yazd province, the Zoroastrians could have still gained control of the nation.

We don't even know if Persia is being made, either, but that probably wouldn't have any impact on anything except for claims.

It doesn't matter all that much as the fact that you were told that Islam couldn't reach Persia, and yet you mentioned it. It's more about the principle, listen to what the OP board is saying.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:30 am

Seinlo wrote:I don't even care anymore. I'm being fumed at, and ganged up on, and there's no reason for it.

This is all in your imagination, no one is ganging up on you. We are merely responding to your frustration to tell you that there is nothing to be frustrated about, and I am merely stating that I do find you having not listened to my historical indications somewhat annoying. That's it.
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Postby Seinlo » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:32 am

Tracian Empire wrote:
Seinlo wrote:Besides, even if it did reach Persia (which would probably happen through waterways), if it didn't pass the Yazd province, the Zoroastrians could have still gained control of the nation.

We don't even know if Persia is being made, either, but that probably wouldn't have any impact on anything except for claims.

It doesn't matter all that much as the fact that you were told that Islam couldn't reach Persia, and yet you mentioned it. It's more about the principle, listen to what the OP board is saying.


Mm'kay. I don't care about it reaching Persia, Trace. You're the one that brought it up. I can easily have Islam reach other areas throughour Arabia, Africa, and India fhrough colonization, explorers, and other such things (sea lanes are gud, yay), but Persia doesn't matter.

Tracian Empire wrote:
Seinlo wrote:I don't even care anymore. I'm being fumed at, and ganged up on, and there's no reason for it.

This is all in your imagination, no one is ganging up on you. We are merely responding to your frustration to tell you that there is nothing to be frustrated about, and I am merely stating that I do find you having not listened to my historical indications somewhat annoying. That's it.


Kay.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:36 am

Seinlo wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:It doesn't matter all that much as the fact that you were told that Islam couldn't reach Persia, and yet you mentioned it. It's more about the principle, listen to what the OP board is saying.


Mm'kay. I don't care about it reaching Persia, Trace. You're the one that brought it up. I can easily have Islam reach other areas throughour Arabia, Africa, and India fhrough colonization, explorers, and other such things (sea lanes are gud, yay), but Persia doesn't matter.

Tracian Empire wrote:This is all in your imagination, no one is ganging up on you. We are merely responding to your frustration to tell you that there is nothing to be frustrated about, and I am merely stating that I do find you having not listened to my historical indications somewhat annoying. That's it.


Kay.


I brought it up because it's a matter of principle, and you have had similar actions in which you have ignored members of the OP board and what they were saying.
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Postby Seinlo » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:42 am

I'm going to go do stuff (maybe), and think about if it's possible for trade with other nations to have brought me the tech and science I need for my nation to be an affluent, educated, intelligent society. Pakistan is irrelevant, as are the Ghurids, and if they're still in my app that is a mistake. Mentions of Persia will be removed. If Persia isn't made, I would like to have that strip of territory on the other side of the Hormuz that I had IRL.

I'll also come up with an explorer named something else other than Muhammad Ibn Battuta. Perhaps just Ibn Batutah/Battuta, from Morocco, who will still be a great explorer.

Then I will wait, or come up with my econkmic boom guidance (which I hope Elerian will still help me with), or both. Probably both.

Tracian Empire wrote:
Seinlo wrote:
Mm'kay. I don't care about it reaching Persia, Trace. You're the one that brought it up. I can easily have Islam reach other areas throughour Arabia, Africa, and India fhrough colonization, explorers, and other such things (sea lanes are gud, yay), but Persia doesn't matter.



Kay.


I brought it up because it's a matter of principle, and you have had similar actions in which you have ignored members of the OP board and what they were saying.


I forglt it was there. Doesn't mean anything, and I'm sorry if you thought otherwise.
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Postby Seinlo » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:49 am

Maybe an explorer from somewhere else would be better. Asia, or Europe, or... Well, those are about it if he isn't from Africa.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:53 am

Considering the update in the app of France, it is now accepted.
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Postby Sanabel » Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:00 pm

When does the Hunnia reservation expire?
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Postby Tracian Empire » Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:00 pm

Second Helghan Empire wrote:Full Nation Name : Kingdom of Germania, or Germanic Empire
Majority/Official Culture :German
Territorial Core : Germany, Denmark, Prussia, Silesia, Iceland, Cameroon, South Africa on the Map, New Zealand, Mauritius and Reunion Island.
Territorial Claim :Rest of South Africa, rest of the Baltic coast, Poland, Bohemia
Capital City :Hamburg
Population : 50 million

Government Type : Constitutional Monarchy
Government Ideology/Policies : militant
Government Focus : Largely focused on Economy with Military focus to enforce colonies, trade, etc.
Head of State : King Otto V
Head of Government : Dictator Johann Kleiner
Government Description : Most of the power still resides with the King, the elected Senate is administrated by the Dictator who is appointed from their number by the king. The Senate can veto the King's decree's with a 2/3rds majority. Laws made by the Senate must be okayed by the King unless the Senate overrules him with a 2/3rds majority. The King has full executive powers and can grant amnesty or declare a state of emergency giving him full power with just the acceptance of the Dictator.

Majority/State Religion : Teutonist
Religious Description : Combination of Catholic Christian Hierarchy with Old Germanic Pagan gods and Myths into the religion. Each of the old gods is worshiped as a patron angel sent by god to watch over and guide humanity. Except Hel and Fenrir who fell with Lucifer and satan which are separate beings in the Teutonist Psuedo Pantheon. The Teutonist symbol is a upside down Hammer inlaid into the Cross. The Term Apostle is used for the leader of the Church, much like a pope. The Church is centered out of Koln or Cologne.

Economic Ideologies : Protective Capitalism
Major Production : Refined materials and processed and manufactured goods.
Economic Description : Largely set up to refine imported materials as well as those found in the homeland regions of Germania. The exported items include weapons, textiles, building materials, and completed machinery and machinery parts among several others.

Army Strength : High Morale, Very Well Equipped and trained.
Army Weakness : smaller force, has a small fraction of forces outside wartime, continuously changing equipment can lead to logistical problems
Naval Strength : Hardy and fast ships
Naval Weakness : few vessels compared to non military ships
Further Military Description : The Germanic Military has a long and proud history often stretched to include Arminius who defeated the Romans in the Teutoburg forest in antiquity. With extreme pride and loyalty to Germania the Army boasts a strong morale and being one of the most advanced nations on the globe the troops have top of the line equipment and training. Sadly they are a smaller force and often cut their troops down to a token force outside of wartime. A major flaw in the Germanic Army is the continuous striving for better equipment. While not always a problem when it is it cripples the forces as some units will have little to no access to ammunition for different weapons from their sister units. This can lead to problems and even fighting over ammunition and equipment between units.

The Germanic navy boasts some of the finest ships in the world, often behemoth in size and extremely durable in construction these vessels are very fast compared to many counterparts due to the Germanic engines used. Sadly there are few of such ships and in time of total war old obsolete vessels must be brought into commission to enlarge the forces. The main problem lies outside of full on naval engagements however as the many Germanic merchant and civilian flotillas require naval protection which spreads the Germanic fleets out considerably.

National Goals : Expand via territories and economy.
National Issues : weaker nations must be defeated more trade must open up.
National Figures of Interest : King Otto I, Arminius, Queen Kunigunde the Catholic, King Augustus III, King Frederick the Teuton.
National Ambition/Aspirations : Dominance of Continental Europe and massive colonies.

History :
9 AD: Arminius Defeats Romans in the Battle of Teutoburg Forest.
14 AD: Arminius seizes control of a rival Germanic Tribe and defeats Germanicus in the battle of the Weser river. It is here that most Germanic Scholars feel Germania was truly united for the first time.
15 AD: Germanicus Defeats Arminius' forces in the battle of the of the Angriivari.
16 AD: One of three Eagles captured by Arminius' forces in the Teutoburg Forest is recaptured by romans.
21 AD: Arminius evades an assassination attempt by his followers. This marks the decline of his power.
29 AD: Arminius is defeated by opposing German Tribes.
30 AD: Arminius is Killed fighting the opposing tribes. This marks the break up of Germanic tribes once again. One Roman Eagle is lost, the other is entombed with Arminius at the site of the battle of the Teutoburg Forest never to be found again.
300 AD: German Tribes largely split into two groups, the western and southern tribes take on more romanized forms and christianize, while the cor group of tribes from the Rhine North and East fiercely remain Pagan.
486 AD: A unified force of German Stem Duchies and Tribes resist Frankish incursions into Germania proper. After the Expulsion of Frankish troops a bold powerplay by one of several Germanic Chieftains gives him a large Kingdom he would Dub Germania. It would stretch from the Rhine to the Elbe and as far south as the Danube. Not called Germania by other German Tribes, their name for the state has been lost to time.
495 AD: Germania under the first recorded king, King Reinhard I expands to include the coastal region near the mouths of the Elbe and Weser rivers.
500 AD: King Reinhard II ascends to the Throne and looses lands from the west bank of the Rhine to the Franks. He establishes a permanent capital in Fulda. This will remain the capital for 100 years.
521 AD: King Reinhard III ascends and fails at expanding Germania, he is largely regarded as a glutton and sloth following his terrible defeats at the hands of smaller Germanic states. He begins heavy taxation that seeds dissent among the people.
532 AD: King Alram follows his father's taxation laws and much of the average populace and lesser nobles became extemely impoverished.
540 AD: The Great Topples King Alram and places his Nephew King Gerwin on the throne. At age 12 Gerwin is easily manipulated by his mother who quietly enacts vengeance on her brother's killers. This Begins the Gerwin Dynasty.
543 AD: King Gerwin has his mother executed for murder. He earns the moniker King Gerwin the Just.
544 AD: King Gerwin marries the Princess of the greatly weakened Bavarie Tribe. They become a duchy under Germania.
551 AD: King Gerwin incorporates the Bavarian territories into Germania following the death of his father in law.
571 AD: King Markolf Ascends to the throne.
573 AD: King Markolf Conquers modern Holstein and incorporates it into Germania
578 AD: King Markolf goes to war with the Franks, fighting continues off and on again for the rest of his reign.
612 AD: Queen Kunigunde is married to the Frankish Prince who dies days after in a mysterious circumstance. This Begins the Kunigunde Dynasty.
615 AD: The region between Metz and Koln is returned to Germany by the Franks in an odd twist of Circumstances regarding the Queen's husband's death. The Capital is moved to Koln.
617 AD: Catholicism is made the State religion but few follow it and heinous crimes from both Christians and pagans erupt across the kingdom. Kunigunde punishes the pagans harshly.
645 AD: King Ingolf ascends following his Grandmother's death, he is a devout pagan brought up largely by Catholics. His close friend Arch Bishop Gunthard cooperates with Ingolf to form the Teutonist movement believing it will help bring peace to Germania.
652 AD: The first Teutonic Schism begins when seventeen priests and bishops are murdered in the Teutoburg forest for defiling a religious site. the Archbishop does as the King commands and those priests are criminalized, this alienates the Germanic priests who are devout catholics. Teutonists while outnumbered largely have the support of the pagan populace and a slow fight begins with mob attacks on churches across Germania.
670 AD: King Ingolf II bans the Catholic Church from Germania, however the Teutonist Church is largely just a slight alteration to the Catholic church that says the germanic gods were angels that appeared before Germans centuries ago to aide them. This would change slightly over time to incorporate more and more pagan legends and rituals.
690 AD: King Siegward ascends to the throne and almost immediately makes the Teutonists the official religion of Germania. He begins the slow and steady persecution of non Teutonist Germans.
700 AD: King Siegward invades the Pomeranian region. He soon finds himself at war with both eastern German Tribes and Danes.
712 AD: King Siegward II finally buys off the Danes and defeats the Pomeranian natives. He takes the region and establishes trade with the Danes.
715 AD: King Siegward dies in battle at the border of Bohemia. Germania will mark this as the first of many attempts to conquer the neighbor.
716 AD: The Germanic War of Succession begins as supporters of Siegward III are besieged in Koln by supporters of his younger brother Siegmund The two sides eventually side with one another to ward off Danish incursions.
719 AD: Following a protracted war with the Danes Siegward is captured and eventually killed by the Danes. Siegmund allows Danish settlers along the Pomeranian coast and Marries the Daughter of the Danish King to attain peace.
720 AD: Siegmund sacks the Danish villages and assaults the Danish homeland overland taking the enemy off guard with their forces away from home raiding. Pillaging large areas of Daneland they return home with many of the enemies wealth and thousands of slaves.
750 AD: Oskar I ascends to the throne, a Dane by blood he is cousin of the Previous king and marks the start of the Dane Dynasty. He indirectly causes a steady influx of more pagan ideology into the Germanic Kingdom as well as the Teutonist Church.
800 AD: Oskar VI dies in a hunting accident, at his death Germania stretches from the East Bank of the Meuse to the Vistula river along the coast and as far south as the Danube in the west. He is succeeded by Wilfried I starting the Wilfriedan Dynasty.
825 AD: Teutonist bishops are killed by pagans in eastern Germania, sparking the Germanic Reckoning. Hundreds Germanic Pagans are murdered and the Teutonist church is given rights to call up forces against heretics or enemies of the church.
875 AD: King Wilfried III invades the Danish Duchy bringing it under his direct control after they attempted to gain liberty from Germania.
890 AD: King Wilfried IV is forced to cede all western territories to the Franks.
900 AD: Raider Wars Begin. Wars between Danish, as well as other Scandinavian raider kingdoms take place for the next two hundred years. They are relatively small but destructive none the less.
940 AD: The Knightly Teuton Order is Founded. They are small and usually composed of disgraced knights earning penance by serving as defenders of Teutonist Monasteries and Churches.
1010 AD: The Battle of the Vistula Expels Germanic Influence from the Pagan Tribes along the Baltic Coast east of the Elbe.
1042 AD: Copenhagen is lost to Raiders from Sweden. It soon is independent and attempts to unite Danish nobles and peoples against Germania. This sparks the Dane War.
1045 AD: Danish rebels are forced off of mainland Denmark and Germania, however Copenhagen remains independent and continues to raid Germania as well as other nations.
1090 AD: Germania is almost completely Teutonist by this point and the Teutonic Church continues to gain power in the Kingdom.
1112 AD: In attempts to better ties with Catholics and Orthodox christians Teutonic Knights and Germanic Teutonists are often sent to help fight Muslim and Pagan forces following the 1112 decree of Apostle Volker the Commanding to "Aid fellow Christians in the holy Mission of Defeating the Infidel"
1116 AD: The 1st Teutonic March Leaves Munich for Constantinople to support Christian states in the Area. It will go on to march from Christian state to Christian state.
1126 AD: the Teutonic March Begins it's return journey having won a small amount of victories against Muslim forces Near Baghdad and Jerusalem while aiding Roman and Catholic Troops.
1145 AD: The Vistula March is Decreed by Apostle Dietmar the Vigilant to retake lands lost to pagans along the baltic coast between Germania and the Vistula. By this many in the region have already converted at the behest of missionaries and the Teutonic order places these converts in positions of power in the region. Germania launches an invasion of Pagan Copenhagen with the allowance of the Teutonic church. The City and Island are devastated by the campaign and the population is decimated. A Set of Five Castles, Large Fortresses are Established, One for Each corner of the Island and one for the City Itself. The Eastern Most Fortress is gifted to the Teutonic Knights as a headquarters as a way for the King to sway them to his loyalty over that of the Church.
1200 AD: The Vistula Campaign officially ends with thousands dead mostly civilians who refused to convert and many suspected of Harboring pagans or performing unacceptable rituals. It is from this point on pagan rituals are no longer allowed into the Teutonist dogma.
1213 AD: A coup is launched by Berthold, cousin of King Raban III. Raban escapes and flees to the Teutonic Knight Fortress near Copenhagen.
1215 AD: Berthold the Usurper is a brutal king. His cousin had been well loved by his people and Berthold fights several unorganized rebellions. Apostle Erhard the Martyr, a known Supporter of King Raban is Crucified in Koln to frighten the Church into submission. This backfires as Grandmaster of the Teutonic Knights, Frederick, Declares King Berthold to be an enemy of the Church. Helping to get a puppet made Apostle, Frederick gets a Teutonic March Declared and the Nation descends into civil war.
1217 AD: King Raban dies in battle with no heirs.
1218 AD: Frederick Defeats and kills Berthold. He is proclaimed King by the Teutonic Church. This marks the start of the Teuton Dynasty.
1240 AD: Frederick II gifts The Prussian region to the Teutonic Order upon his father's death. His younger brother is made Apostle and his cousin Grandmaster of the Teutonic Knights of the same year.
1261 AD: The Great Teutonic Crusade Begins. All Teutonic Knights are called to return to Teutonist monasteries and lands before a major invasion of the Baltic area begins. During this time other christians are also put to the sword.
1312 AD: Under Grandmaster Bernard the Furthest Eastern Expansion of the Teutonic Duchy would reach from Brandenburg to Tallinn in the Baltics. However it quickly begins to decline as the Teuton Dynasty begins to separate itself from the church.
1380 AD: King Baldwin Makes war on Sweden but is defeated relatively easy. His forces are unprepared for the fight and the Church refuses to call a Teutonic March on a christian nation without provocation.
1400 AD: Germanic non teutons are targeted by mob violence across the nation. Catholic nobles find it more and more difficult to command their people or deal with other nobles.
1425 AD: the Volkmarsch begins. Not commanded by the Teutonic Church both the average citizens and Teutonic Order begin massacring those that are not Teutons.
1437 AD: Burning of Koln. Several Catholics launch a counter to the attacks made by the Teutonists leading to a massive sacking of Koln when the Catholics attacked the city from within.
1437 AD: By command of the King, all Catholics within the Germanic territories were given a month to leave their lands and flee to a neighboring Catholic territory. Few chose to and soon the nation once again collapsed into war. A Teutonist Priest would begin establishing a separate religious group during this time Dubbed simply the Protestant, protesting both the violence from each side and the widespread corruption in either denomination.
1460 AD: The Three Church War begins. Followers of each denomination battle for control of the German state. The Capital is Permanently moved to Hamburg.
1463 AD: Protestant groups are largely given peace by Teutonist groups, they have proven superior at swaying those to their side than the Teutonists were prepared to deal with and so they became large very quickly.
1467 AD: The Peace of Danzig promises safety for Christians of all denomination except Protestants within the Borders of Germania, the Teutonic Duchy Splits in two, the region west of Memel (Klaipeda) rejoined Germania.
1480 AD: Protestants and Teutonists clash after a fire in a Protestant church is blamed on several local Teutonic priests. The fighting will continue for another hundred years.
1575 AD: King Augustus III also known as Augustus the fair officially separated the power of the Monarch and the Teutonic Church. This ignited the Teutonic Civil war. Fought between Monarchists and Zealots the Monarchy had the support of more people and included more than just Teutonists.
1578 AD: Monarchist forces Soundly defeat the forces of Apostle Hermann the Disloyal. The Peace of Bremen is Signed.
1600 AD: The Port war begins. A short conflict over the right to Iceland between Germanic backed Settlers and Scandinavian forces resolves with the Peace of Copenhagen. Iceland is Germanic officially from this point on.
1645 AD: Gotland is lost by the Teutonic Knights, the Order Dissolves and its state collapses. Those Knights in Germania are given largely ceremonial duties and they remain a display of power and ties to the church.
1678 AD: Two Brothers in Hamburg invent the Steam engine which is used for their Cousin's textile mill. This will eventually spearhead the Industrial revolution for Europe and East Asia.
1691 AD: Trade Ports are Established in Kamerun, Cape of Good Hope, and New Zealand.
1700 AD: Colonists arrive in Kamerun, and the Cape of Good Hope. They are largely desperate people with little choice and soldiers commanded by officer who have angered their leadership.
1705 AD: Germania conforms to a proffessional military and noble ranks are quickly replaced with merit based rankings.
1770 AD: Kamerun, Südafrika, and Neues Deutschland(New Zealand), are declared Colonial Dominions of Germania.
1797 AD: The Berlin-Hamburg Rail Line Becomes the First Commercially run Railway.
1835 AD: King Otto IV signs the Constitution of Berlin, this established the Senate and the way the Constitutional Monarchy of Germania would be run.
1861 AD: King Otto V ascends to the throne.

Comparison Points – Political :1
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : 2
Comparison Points – Economy :3
Comparison Points – Military :4
Total Comparison Points used (10 Points MAX) : 10/10

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Postby Tracian Empire » Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:00 pm

Sanabel wrote:When does the Hunnia reservation expire?

It pretty much already did, I think. The player never showed up.
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I'm gonna have to drop out, which seems to be a recurring theme with me and RPs lately.

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