1870 : Alternative Divergence [AH][OOC][REBOOT]

[Sanabel]

How could Oman get deep into the mainland in 1870, without dying of malaria? How would pesky jungle natives be taken care of?

[Kargintina]

An early European noble house. Caused a lot of problems for the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. They were elected from Sweden, I believe.

Save for in this reality, it caused slightly less trouble, and is still around.

Is that your ruling house?

[Tracian Empire]

In other news, the Roman provincial system.

[Tracian Empire]

How could Oman get deep into the mainland in 1870, without dying of malaria? How would pesky jungle natives be taken care of?

True. Hence why, keep to the coast.

[Tracian Empire]

The Roman Senate is already pretty similar, from what I can see.

The second power belongs to the Imperial Senate,the Senatus, the assembly of the Roman senators. Elected by the Roman citizens once every five years, the Roman Senate acts like a Parliament in other countries, advising the Emperor and having a large legislative power and role, while also having an important rule in governing the empire, by choosing the provincial Proconsuls. Although traditionally, a place for the patricians, in the last centuries the Senate has also started to contain plebeians, now representing all citizens of the Empire, regardless of their position. The Emperor has the power to dissolve the Senate at any time he would want, but the Senate also has the right to formally protest the Emperor's decisions if they would be against the better good of the People of Rome, but it wouldn't affect the Emperor's authority. The Senate is bicameral. The Lower House is the Comitia Curiata (Curiate Assembly) but tradition is to refer to it as the Curia (Assembly). Members of the Assembly, officers of regular legislation, are referred to as Senatores (Senators). Regular bills need a 50% senatorial majority to become senatus consultum. Such a bill will be posted in the Forum the following morning for review by magistrates and citizens. Afterward, the Caesar chooses to either enact or veto the bill, unless it carries a supermajority in the Senate. Senatorial procedure is heavily influenced by tradition. Senators vote by individually consenting to the bill, and debate persists for a customary period of time before being halted by the president of the Senate. The upper house is the Comitium Consularis (Consular Congress). Members of Congress are Consules (Consuls) but they are not like the bureaucrats who bore their name during the First Republic.The consuls have collective power to write federal legislation, which no other body can do.

So, I feel like perhaps the only thing that'd happen post-unification is that: the next Emperor or Empress of the Two Empires Made One would have slightly more power [with regards to compared to the Italian Empire] and at the same time slightly less power [with regards to comparing it to the East-Roman Empire]. The Imperial Senate would likely have to be modified to accommodate both systems without too much reformation. As to the Pope, depending on the outcome of the Italian Civil War, a new Pope may have to be elected and the Catholic Church will be shaken... in all likelihood, depending on how things go, it may even have to collapse and assimilate into the Orthodox Church of the Eastern Romans, giving the Emperor / Empress of the Two Empires Made One the religious powers of the Pope and the same religious powers they'd always have in the Eastern Roman Empire.

Does all of this make sense/sound good, for future reference? Also, if/when we do this (again depending on how the RP turns out), would we both then share Rome and RP as various figures and such as needed? Or would I simply continue to RP as the Italian part using a major Senator or Consul/Governor, and you stayed RPing the East-Roman half?

Yes, it does make sense.

Well, most likely, even after the union, it would be probably for the best for you to continue controlling the Western side, and me the Eastern. The world is still too dangerous for the Imperium to ever return to exactly one point of authority.

[The V O I D]

In other news, the Roman provincial system.

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See, Italia doesn't have that. It is a 'unitary empire'. There is only Italia.

So, when added to this provincial system, would Italia become the largest / most populous province in the Italian-Roman Empire? Or would it be broken up into parts (which some Italians may not like)?

So, I feel like perhaps the only thing that'd happen post-unification is that: the next Emperor or Empress of the Two Empires Made One would have slightly more power [with regards to compared to the Italian Empire] and at the same time slightly less power [with regards to comparing it to the East-Roman Empire]. The Imperial Senate would likely have to be modified to accommodate both systems without too much reformation. As to the Pope, depending on the outcome of the Italian Civil War, a new Pope may have to be elected and the Catholic Church will be shaken... in all likelihood, depending on how things go, it may even have to collapse and assimilate into the Orthodox Church of the Eastern Romans, giving the Emperor / Empress of the Two Empires Made One the religious powers of the Pope and the same religious powers they'd always have in the Eastern Roman Empire.

Does all of this make sense/sound good, for future reference? Also, if/when we do this (again depending on how the RP turns out), would we both then share Rome and RP as various figures and such as needed? Or would I simply continue to RP as the Italian part using a major Senator or Consul/Governor, and you stayed RPing the East-Roman half?

Yes, it does make sense.

Well, most likely, even after the union, it would be probably for the best for you to continue controlling the Western side, and me the Eastern. The world is still too dangerous for the Imperium to ever return to exactly one point of authority.

Good. Great. That works, then. We'll figure out what happens to the Senate later, if/when this all happens, I suppose.

And yeah, understandable. So I'd give you control over the Emperor/Empress when that happens, and I'd RP as the Consul/Governor of Italia under them.

[Danceria]

Save for in this reality, it caused slightly less trouble, and is still around.

Is that your ruling house?

Has been for the past...three centuries I believe.

While we still have (technically) a claim on Polish-Lithuania due to this dude not dying and this war being won against the Teutonists (basically, Norse Pagan Catholics), but we like our ludicrous colonial empire instead.

In other news, the Roman provincial system.

(Image)

> TFW you can now proudly say that it's Constantinople and not Istanbul, and it's in Anatolia.

[Tracian Empire]

In other news, the Roman provincial system.

(Image)

See, Italia doesn't have that. It is a 'unitary empire'. There is only Italia.

So, when added to this provincial system, would Italia become the largest / most populous province in the Italian-Roman Empire? Or would it be broken up into parts (which some Italians may not like)?

Yes, it does make sense.

Well, most likely, even after the union, it would be probably for the best for you to continue controlling the Western side, and me the Eastern. The world is still too dangerous for the Imperium to ever return to exactly one point of authority.

Good. Great. That works, then. We'll figure out what happens to the Senate later, if/when this all happens, I suppose.

And yeah, understandable. So I'd give you control over the Emperor/Empress when that happens, and I'd RP as the Consul/Governor of Italia under them.

Well, the Eastern Empire is also unitary. These aren't federal states, they are provinces which meet an administrative and a military role, since the Romans like to have everything well organized.

Difficult to say. In order for Italy to be better governed, the Romans would like to impose their province system, but if the Italians don't like it, then perhaps not.

It would certainly make sense.

[Tracian Empire]

Is that your ruling house?

Has been for the past...three centuries I believe.

While we still have (technically) a claim on Polish-Lithuania due to this dude not dying and this war being won against the Teutonists (basically, Norse Pagan Catholics), but we like our ludicrous colonial empire instead.

In other news, the Roman provincial system.

(Image)

> TFW you can now proudly say that it's Constantinople and not Istanbul, and it's in Anatolia.

Also known as Asia Minor largely.

But yeah, Constantinople is Constantinople, and it exists in both Europe and Asia. Most of it is the Province of Thracia, but there is also an Asian Constantinople in Mysia.

[Cymrea]

And Empress Victoria.

As well as His Royal Majesty, Erik XV Vasa, and Their Holinesses, Olaf VIII, Methodius II, Magnus IV, Johan III, and Ansgar, the Patriarchs of The North, Christiania (Whatever remains of Venezuela, Guyana and Suriname), Arandal (Argentina), Scandinavian Guinea (Nigeria) and Nagola (Angola) respectively.

Her Imperial Majesty Victoria Alexandrina Rosa, by the Grace of the Old Gods, of the United Kingdom of Cambria and the Cambrian Dominions beyond the Seas Empress, Queen of Canada, Queen of Australia, Defender of the Sacred Groves, Prima of the House of Rosa.

[Tracian Empire]

As well as His Royal Majesty, Erik XV Vasa, and Their Holinesses, Olaf VIII, Methodius II, Magnus IV, Johan III, and Ansgar, the Patriarchs of The North, Christiania (Whatever remains of Venezuela, Guyana and Suriname), Arandal (Argentina), Scandinavian Guinea (Nigeria) and Nagola (Angola) respectively.

Her Imperial Majesty Victoria Alexandrina Rosa, by the Grace of the Old Gods, of the United Kingdom of Cambria and the Cambrian Dominions beyond the Seas Empress, Queen of Canada, Queen of Australia, Defender of the Sacred Groves, Prima of the House of Rosa.

*cough*

His Imperial Majesty, Julius Palaeologus Felix, by the Grace of God Emperor and Autocrat of the Romans, Despot of all of the Lands of the Eternal Rome, Forever Augustus, Caesar, Dominus and Princeps, Lord of the West and the East, Viceroy of Jesus Christ on Earth, Pius Felix, Defender of the True Faith, Protector of the Holy Cities of Constantinople, Jerusalem, Antioch, Alexandria and Rome, Ruler of the Mare Nostrum, King of Greece, Asia Minor,and Mesopotamia, Duke of Thrace,Armenia, and Crete, Protector of the Principality of Taurica, Protector of the Caucasus, Protector of Babylon and Akkad, Voivod of Dobruja, Princeps Senatus and Tribunicia Potestas, Pater Patriae, Nobilissimus, Sovereign of the Holy Order of the True Cross, Grand Master of the Order of Saint Andrew, of the Order of Constantine the Great and of the Order of Justinian the Great, Emperor of Emperors, King of Kings, Ruling Over Those Who Rule.

[Cymrea]

-All that floof he wrote-

I thought it'd be fun for us to wave our flags a bit.

[Sanabel]

Just my history left to do. App is on front page.

I'll probably just use bullets for that bit.

[The V O I D]

See, Italia doesn't have that. It is a 'unitary empire'. There is only Italia.

So, when added to this provincial system, would Italia become the largest / most populous province in the Italian-Roman Empire? Or would it be broken up into parts (which some Italians may not like)?




Good. Great. That works, then. We'll figure out what happens to the Senate later, if/when this all happens, I suppose.

And yeah, understandable. So I'd give you control over the Emperor/Empress when that happens, and I'd RP as the Consul/Governor of Italia under them.

Well, the Eastern Empire is also unitary. These aren't federal states, they are provinces which meet an administrative and a military role, since the Romans like to have everything well organized.

Difficult to say. In order for Italy to be better governed, the Romans would like to impose their province system, but if the Italians don't like it, then perhaps not.

It would certainly make sense.

I guess we'll have to see how everything works out, then, huh?

Of course, if Italia does stay one united province, it'd likely be the largest/most populous province of them all. That means, at least in regards to the "proportional elections" thing for the Senate (if that's already in/adapted into the Italian-Roman Empire) that Italia has a very strong say in things, legislatively.

Also, sitting over here quietly, with His Imperial Majesty, Antonius Quintus III of the Second Augustine Dynasty, King of the Italians, Imperator of the City of Rome...

[Tracian Empire]

-All that floof he wrote-

I thought it'd be fun for us to wave our flags a bit.

Nobody is better at waving flags than the Romans

[Tracian Empire]

Well, the Eastern Empire is also unitary. These aren't federal states, they are provinces which meet an administrative and a military role, since the Romans like to have everything well organized.

Difficult to say. In order for Italy to be better governed, the Romans would like to impose their province system, but if the Italians don't like it, then perhaps not.

It would certainly make sense.

I guess we'll have to see how everything works out, then, huh?

Of course, if Italia does stay one united province, it'd likely be the largest/most populous province of them all. That means, at least in regards to the "proportional elections" thing for the Senate (if that's already in/adapted into the Italian-Roman Empire) that Italia has a very strong say in things, legislatively.

Also, sitting over here quietly, with His Imperial Majesty, Antonius Quintus III of the Second Augustine Dynasty, King of the Italians, Imperator of the City of Rome...

It will be interesting to see.

The East has taken onward the Byzantine bureaucracy

[Kargintina]

I am having so much trouble thinking of a name.

[Tracian Empire]

I am having so much trouble thinking of a name.

Well, it depends on what you want to do.

[The V O I D]

I guess we'll have to see how everything works out, then, huh?

Of course, if Italia does stay one united province, it'd likely be the largest/most populous province of them all. That means, at least in regards to the "proportional elections" thing for the Senate (if that's already in/adapted into the Italian-Roman Empire) that Italia has a very strong say in things, legislatively.

Also, sitting over here quietly, with His Imperial Majesty, Antonius Quintus III of the Second Augustine Dynasty, King of the Italians, Imperator of the City of Rome...

It will be interesting to see.

The East has taken onward the Byzantine bureaucracy

Indeed it will...

Also, now I can't get this image out of my head:

Italia: "GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER!"

East-Rome: "BUT, BUT THE PAPERWORK! THE BUREAUCRACY!"

Italia: "FUCK THAT NOISE!"

[South Mauristan]

My leaders full title is Asantehe Kofi

[Kargintina]

I am having so much trouble thinking of a name.

Well, it depends on what you want to do.

Basically Poland-Lithuania but better.

[Sanabel]

Well, it depends on what you want to do.

Basically Poland-Lithuania but better.

What land are you taking?

[Sanabel]

My land claim in my app is a TEENY TINY bit different with regards to the Western frontier. I made it organic and defensible.

[Tracian Empire]

It will be interesting to see.

The East has taken onward the Byzantine bureaucracy

Indeed it will...

Also, now I can't get this image out of my head:

Italia: "GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER!"

East-Rome: "BUT, BUT THE PAPERWORK! THE BUREAUCRACY!"

Italia: "FUCK THAT NOISE!"

I can't wait to use the Master of Ceremonies and the De cerimoniis aulae Byzantinae

[Kargintina]

Basically Poland-Lithuania but better.

What land are you taking?

All land between you, Germany and Romania.