1870 : Alternative Divergence [AH][OOC][REBOOT]

[Tracian Empire]

I've wanted to do this for quite a while. A big ceremony in Hagia Sophia.

Do you think the Lords and high ranking officials of East-Rome would be opposed to the Italian-Roman Empire having an Imperial Senate structured similarly to that of the Italian Empire?

It depends by what you mean by that.

Look at my app, the Eastern Roman state is built strictly on the balance between the powers of the Emperor, the Senate, and the People. So it unites the elements of an absolute monarchy with that of a republic.

[Cymrea]

And Empress Victoria.

And Obirempon Okomfo Anokye. . NO? oh okay :0

Your leader needs to have Harambe somewhere in his name.

[Seinlo]

It should work now. Take note that Ghurid has probably been reduced to 3 or 4 spots on the map (the thjngs you fill in), and that I am probably getting rid of any Mozambique claims (for Rygondria, I think)

You're most certainly not getting all of that.

Yeah, I know. It's a WIP. They told me to pick either eastern Africa, or Ghurid, so I'm cutting Eastern Africa a little, and removing several spots from Ghurid, in the hopes that removingabout equal territory will be ample enough. I wanted 3 spots with Ghurid, but I end up getting 4 each time if I want tk connect with India. Balochistan/Baluchistan is a very small area, but it's originally 2 spots without a land border with India. Should I keep it to 2, and just use it as a place where I can ship things from and to India, as well as yojr usual poet city, or expand it to 3/4 spots so I have an usrful land border? I've alrsady cut it by at or over 3 spots, so I don't think that it's anywhere near its original size, and I'm currently trying to remove Mozambique from my claims. Should I also remove my colonies in the African Great Lakes, or keep them, but not have my territory reach to them? Right now, I think it only reaches to one.

I need help :c

It's sad, but I have to rsstart from fresh each time I want to make a map because other programs hate me, and this one is stupid. I'm just thankful I have it.

[South Mauristan]

And Obirempon Okomfo Anokye. . NO? oh okay :0

Your leader needs to have Harambe somewhere in his name.

I'm not sure if thats racist?

[The V O I D]

Do you think the Lords and high ranking officials of East-Rome would be opposed to the Italian-Roman Empire having an Imperial Senate structured similarly to that of the Italian Empire?

It depends by what you mean by that.

Look at my app, the Eastern Roman state is built strictly on the balance between the powers of the Emperor, the Senate, and the People. So it unites the elements of an absolute monarchy with that of a republic.

From my app: "The Italian Empire has a semi-constitutional monarchy; the Imperial Senate (unicameral) is proportionally elected on its political parties and such based on how the voters throughout the Empire vote. The Italian Empire is a unitary state. The Emperor has supreme executive powers; both in regards to military, domestic and abroad (he can create treaties without necessary approval from the Senate, unless the Senate performs a 3/4ths vote of vetoing the treaty)."

Would the Italian Empire's Imperial Senate system be integrated somehow, or would they make reforms to ensure that - similar to the Italian Empire - it'd be a semi-constitutional monarchy?

[Cymrea]

Your leader needs to have Harambe somewhere in his name.

I'm not sure if thats racist?

That's certainly not my intention. It's a Swahili name meaning working together, pulling together, helping each other, caring, and sharing. I thought it might make a nice tribute.

[Seinlo]

I'm not sure if thats racist?

That's certainly not my intention. It's a Swahili name meaning working together, pulling together, helping each other, caring, and sharing. I thought it might make a nice tribute.

Cymrea is meme-mourn lord.

[Kargintina]

What's House Vasa?

[Tracian Empire]

You're most certainly not getting all of that.

Yeah, I know. It's a WIP. They told me to pick either eastern Africa, or Ghurid, so I'm cutting Eastern Africa a little, and removing several spots from Ghurid, in the hopes that removingabout equal territory will be ample enough. I wanted 3 spots with Ghurid, but I end up getting 4 each time if I want tk connect with India. Balochistan/Baluchistan is a very small area, but it's originally 2 spots without a land border with India. Should I keep it to 2, and just use it as a place where I can ship things from and to India, as well as yojr usual poet city, or expand it to 3/4 spots so I have an usrful land border? I've alrsady cut it by at or over 3 spots, so I don't think that it's anywhere near its original size, and I'm currently trying to remove Mozambique from my claims. Should I also remove my colonies in the African Great Lakes, or keep them, but not have my territory reach to them? Right now, I think it only reaches to one.

I need help :c

It's sad, but I have to rsstart from fresh each time I want to make a map because other programs hate me, and this one is stupid. I'm just thankful I have it.

Africa, or Ghurid. It's not about the extent of the territory in this particular problem, but it's about the fact that your nation lacks the influence to expand in all those directions.

As for the African coastal claims, I'd keep them to the Horn of Africa and perhaps some more coastline to the south, but that's it.

[Tracian Empire]

It depends by what you mean by that.

Look at my app, the Eastern Roman state is built strictly on the balance between the powers of the Emperor, the Senate, and the People. So it unites the elements of an absolute monarchy with that of a republic.

From my app: "The Italian Empire has a semi-constitutional monarchy; the Imperial Senate (unicameral) is proportionally elected on its political parties and such based on how the voters throughout the Empire vote. The Italian Empire is a unitary state. The Emperor has supreme executive powers; both in regards to military, domestic and abroad (he can create treaties without necessary approval from the Senate, unless the Senate performs a 3/4ths vote of vetoing the treaty)."

Would the Italian Empire's Imperial Senate system be integrated somehow, or would they make reforms to ensure that - similar to the Italian Empire - it'd be a semi-constitutional monarchy?

The Roman Senate is already pretty similar, from what I can see.

The second power belongs to the Imperial Senate,the Senatus, the assembly of the Roman senators. Elected by the Roman citizens once every five years, the Roman Senate acts like a Parliament in other countries, advising the Emperor and having a large legislative power and role, while also having an important rule in governing the empire, by choosing the provincial Proconsuls. Although traditionally, a place for the patricians, in the last centuries the Senate has also started to contain plebeians, now representing all citizens of the Empire, regardless of their position. The Emperor has the power to dissolve the Senate at any time he would want, but the Senate also has the right to formally protest the Emperor's decisions if they would be against the better good of the People of Rome, but it wouldn't affect the Emperor's authority. The Senate is bicameral. The Lower House is the Comitia Curiata (Curiate Assembly) but tradition is to refer to it as the Curia (Assembly). Members of the Assembly, officers of regular legislation, are referred to as Senatores (Senators). Regular bills need a 50% senatorial majority to become senatus consultum. Such a bill will be posted in the Forum the following morning for review by magistrates and citizens. Afterward, the Caesar chooses to either enact or veto the bill, unless it carries a supermajority in the Senate. Senatorial procedure is heavily influenced by tradition. Senators vote by individually consenting to the bill, and debate persists for a customary period of time before being halted by the president of the Senate. The upper house is the Comitium Consularis (Consular Congress). Members of Congress are Consules (Consuls) but they are not like the bureaucrats who bore their name during the First Republic.The consuls have collective power to write federal legislation, which no other body can do.

[Seinlo]

What's House Vasa?

An early European noble house. Caused a lot of problems for the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. They were elected from Sweden, I believe.

[Cymrea]

That's certainly not my intention. It's a Swahili name meaning working together, pulling together, helping each other, caring, and sharing. I thought it might make a nice tribute.

Cymrea is meme-mourn lord.

Nah, I just vacillate between serious and silly.

[Tracian Empire]

I'm not sure if thats racist?

That's certainly not my intention. It's a Swahili name meaning working together, pulling together, helping each other, caring, and sharing. I thought it might make a nice tribute.

I shall make a Harambe a Saint of the Orthodox Church.

Dead, but never forgotten.

[Waztaskio]

Yo Tracian. Do I need any additional edits on my new France app since I talked to the Burgundy player and editted accordingly?

[Danceria]

Since I basically fixed the problem of transition by having Julius having been a Caesar for a few years before his father's death, I might just be doing the coronation ICly.

We'll be there as well.

In the meanwhile, Sigmund IV (Erik XV's son and heir apparent) will be ruling as a valdkung (basically the Scandinavian version of Caesar, meaning "the Chosen King".) I'm unsure whether or not to have him unmarried or married.

Then I can have Emperor Quintus III and his daughter, Antonia Valentina, attend.

I've wanted to do this for quite a while. A big ceremony in Hagia Sophia.

While historically in this universe, this isn't out of the ordinary (compared to the coronation of some of the other Great Impreators), this will be great.

Then I can have Emperor Quintus III and his daughter, Antonia Valentina, attend.

And Empress Victoria.

As well as His Royal Majesty, Erik XV Vasa, and Their Holinesses, Olaf VIII, Methodius II, Magnus IV, Johan III, and Ansgar, the Patriarchs of The North, Christiania (Whatever remains of Venezuela, Guyana and Suriname), Arandal (Argentina), Scandinavian Guinea (Nigeria) and Nagola (Angola) respectively.

That's certainly not my intention. It's a Swahili name meaning working together, pulling together, helping each other, caring, and sharing. I thought it might make a nice tribute.

I shall make a Harambe a Saint of the Orthodox Church.

Dead, but never forgotten.

I shall also press this issue, mainly to have an Orthodox presence in Africa.

[Seinlo]

Yeah, I know. It's a WIP. They told me to pick either eastern Africa, or Ghurid, so I'm cutting Eastern Africa a little, and removing several spots from Ghurid, in the hopes that removingabout equal territory will be ample enough. I wanted 3 spots with Ghurid, but I end up getting 4 each time if I want tk connect with India. Balochistan/Baluchistan is a very small area, but it's originally 2 spots without a land border with India. Should I keep it to 2, and just use it as a place where I can ship things from and to India, as well as yojr usual poet city, or expand it to 3/4 spots so I have an usrful land border? I've alrsady cut it by at or over 3 spots, so I don't think that it's anywhere near its original size, and I'm currently trying to remove Mozambique from my claims. Should I also remove my colonies in the African Great Lakes, or keep them, but not have my territory reach to them? Right now, I think it only reaches to one.

I need help :c

It's sad, but I have to rsstart from fresh each time I want to make a map because other programs hate me, and this one is stupid. I'm just thankful I have it.

Africa, or Ghurid. It's not about the extent of the territory in this particular problem, but it's about the fact that your nation lacks the influence to expand in all those directions.

As for the African coastal claims, I'd keep them to the Horn of Africa and perhaps some more coastline to the south, but that's it.

Oh, I see. I would like to have another noble/royal house married to the Rasulid dynasty, which kept its name in its PU with the Omani dynasty. I think I'll mention which dynasty merged with them. The Yaruba dynasty took power in Oman sooner. I would still like a name to add to them, though. Perhaps something prestigious.

[Tracian Empire]

Full Nation Name : French Federative Socialist Republic (Commune of France.)
Majority/Official Culture : French
Territorial Core : Mainland France (The parts not owned by Burgundy), Spain, and Corsica.
Territorial Claim : None.
Capital City : Paris
Population : 50,067,094

Government Type : Federal Delescluzist One Party Socialist State
Government Ideology/Policies : N/A
Government Focus : Economy, Legitimacy, Culture.
Head of State : Chairman of the Executive Committee of the French People's Congress Jules Guesde
Head of Government : Premier of the French Commune Louis Charles Delescluze
Government Description : The Government of the Commune of France is divided into a Legislative, Judicial, and Executive Branch with all three being subjective to the Legislative. The Legislative is known as the French People's Congress, composed of two houses. The Commune of the Union, composed of 126 voting members and the Commune of Regions composed of 26 voting members appointed by regional government councils, who both appoints the Chairman of the Executive Committee, Premier of the French Commune, and the appointment of Supreme Court Justices and convenes once every 5 years unless called for a special session. The Revolutionary Committee functioned as a congress of appointed representatives to handle oversight of the state when the Congress was not in session. The Revolutionary Committee is headed by the Premier, and is responsible for the establishment of the ideals of both of French Revolution and the establishment of the state in accordance with socialist principles. It holds the power to issue laws, create ministries, oversee policies, call for impeachment of the Chairman, and serve as general oversight and review of the French government. Governed by the National Republican Party, ran by the Premier.

Majority/State Religion : Majority Protestant, however no official state religion.
Religious Description : N/A

Economic Ideologies : Socialism
Major Production : Agriculture, Finance, Manufacturing
Economic Description : The French Commune is an industrial powerhouse, with agriculture elements still existing in many regions as well. With urbanization at an all time high, many labor jobs by unskilled workers have been taken leading to a development of railroads and other industrial goods to service the french worker. The economy is mainly overseen by the Regional Councils, who invest in certain industries in order to encourage growth in areas most needed which has lead to many new industries taking hold and expanding the french economy.

Army Strength : Composed of 300,000 men who are well equipped, well trained, and have good leadership. Divided into the French Army, and French National Guard. With the French Army holding 210,000 and the National Guard holding 90,000.
Army Weakness : Rather small compared to other European armies, and suffers from low morale due to their recent leadership changes and loss of colonies.
Naval Strength : 49 Ironclads of which 14 were Frigates capable of 14 knots and mounting 24 guns, 9 Corvettes armed with 16cm and 19cm ordnance. And 26 Ship of the Lines. Very strong navy with good armament, and naval doctrine.
Naval Weakness : Lack of Naval Officers following the Communes Establishment.
Further Military Description : The French Armed Forces is under the control of The Revolutionary Committee, placing the general leadership of the military under the Premier in an operational capacity, but recognizes the Chairman as the de jure commander in chief. The military is split between the French Army, French National Guard, French Marines, and the French Navy all being placed into a Ministry of Defence underneath the Revolutionary Committee.

National Goals : Encourage the spread of socialist thought across the world. (World Revolution!)
National Issues : Internal Political Stability (Infighting between factions), and External Security.
National Figures of Interest : Jules Guesde is the first, due to him being a main figure behind the commune movement. With his writings ushering french socialist ideals and his propaganda spread amongst the workers, makes him invaluable among keeping the social movement alive. Charles Delescluze, the Premier of the state was known for his militancy in dealing with the old regime and the official enforcer and leader of the National Republican Party (NRP). Also known for instituting Delescluzism, which is a mix between economic socialism combined with elements of capitalism to allow for the government to have a decentralized role in economics, by instead of fully controlling the large business entities, but instead granting certain bonuses and privileges to certain industries and promoting investment, while allowing other industries to develop on their own. However, regulation is pressed on all business entities throughout france, and the rights of the public worker are always taken into account before the rights of business owners. Paul Lafargue, advocates for a more Marxist State and is popular with the younger elements of the National Republican Party, advocating for a vanguard and advancement of a Marxist State. Believes the current state is to moderate. Louis Auguste Blanqui, advocating for Blanquism which advocates that socialist revolution should be carried out by a relatively small group of highly organised and secretive conspirators. Popular in France with certain intellectuals, but not anywhere else.
National Ambition/Aspirations : World Socialist Revolution.

History :

• May 5th, 1789 - 9th November 1799 - French Revolution begins, throughout the period socialist movements begin to spring up in support of the ideas of Liberty, Equality, and Fraternity. Creation of the French Council of Socialist, with membership growing due to popularity achieved during this period.
  
• November 9th 1799 - April 6, 1814 - Napoleon Bonaparte's coup is supported by the French Council of Socialist, with many in the council serving in various low government positions within napoleons government during this time.
  
• July 8th 1815 - September 16th 1836 - French Council of Socialist begins to be target Louis XVIII after the reestablishment of a monarchy. Establishing printing presses to publish anti-monarchist propaganda, and printing the new government as a puppet of other European powers. This soon lead to a campaign of violence across France with Anti-Monarchist and Pro-Napoleon forces engaging in violence against Pro-Monarchist and Anti-Napoleon forces.
  
• 1836-1848 - During these years, the French Council of Socialist began to take part in a more bloody campaign against the Pro-Monarchist and Anti-Napoleon forces which they called the "White Forces." And the White Forces began calling the other the "Red Forces." Over the years, these groups engaged in various violent actions with killings and arson taking place on all sides. Eventually, the Red Forces won out by assisting Napoleon III into proclaiming a French Second Republic, and appointing various leaders of the French Council of Socialist to important positions.
  
• 1848-1864 - During these years, the French Council of Socialist continued to grow and Napoleon III set up the second French Empire. During these times, Louis Charles Delescluze began to rally up political capital in the French Council of Socialist and officially split the council by establishing his own National Republican Party. The party was not a collection of various socialist ideologies like the old French Council of Socialist, but rather a party advocating a particular type of socialism spoke and written by Delescluze. He was later joined by young writer Jules Guesde and Paul Lafargue, which lead to his stance becoming super popular all throughout france. In 1866, the National Republican Party stormed into parliment, declaring that the Second French Empire no longer served the interests of France and that the National Republican Party shall guide the nation. The NRP were supported by the French National Guard, and a majority of the french working class.
  
• 1864-1865 - Napoleon III, ordered the French Army to begin to arrests the leaders of the coup and attempted to remain in control. This lead to a short, but bloody civil war spanning over 300,000 causalities, leading to the trial and execution of Napoleon III by the conspirators. The French Federative Socialist Republic was officially declared during this time.
  
• 1865-1867 - The French Federative Socialist Republic ended a number of practices of the old french regime, and instituted the new ideology of Delescluzism throughout France. Many old land owners were replaced, and leadership in the French Navy was put on trial and executed. This period was known as "The Transformation of French Society and Customs." And lead to France not only successfully transitioning into a socialist country, but also maintaining the successes of the French Revolution that was fought for years ago.
  
• 1867-1869 - The French Federative Socialist Republic begins an official military campaign into Iberia, intending to conquer new land for industry after the loss of many portions of Eastern France from Spain. The war drags on for two years, ending in a decisive French Victory once Madrid was taken. Pablo Iglesias Posse placed as temporary Governor of Spain, in an attempt to consolidate strong leadership on the spanish mainland and establish a sister republic.
  
• 1869-1870 - Spain declares itself to be the Spanish Socialist Republic, with all monarchist elements being routed out of government and a official endorsement of a Spanish Workers Party to govern Spain under Posse. France keeps "garrison" troops in Spain to assist with the rebuilding efforts during this time, and an official alliance is also signed.
  
  

Comparison Points – Political : 3
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : 2
Comparison Points – Economy : 3
Comparison Points – Military : 2
Total Comparison Points used (10 Points MAX) : 10/10

Talked to Burgundy. Going to let him have the eastern side of france like his claims state, and I just have the rest of Mainland France and Spain. No colonies, but still own Corsica.

Largely looks good to me, but as I said, Spain is claimed.

[Old Tyrannia]

Trying to decided between three directions for southern China.

1.) "Republic of Aristocrats" Technically a democratic republic, but dominated by the moneyed and propertied classes to the point of plutocracy. Economically prosperous and industrializing, but massive wealth inequality and social problems remain.
2.) "Progressive Authoritarianism" A nation in which dissent and political opposition is clamped down on. Power is concentrated in the hands of a single ruling party which is relatively liberal outside the area of political rights and intent on dragging the country into modernity. Of course the old ruling class and conservatives are deeply opposed to this modernization. Somewhat similar to Ataturk's Turkey.
3.) Constitutional Monarchy. In the British style, the monarch exerts much informal power both politically and socially. However, governing power is devolved to elected parliamentary government. Conservatives, gentry, businessmen, liberals, populists, and socialists all battle for political supremacy as the king tries to keep the country together.

I still feel that a Chinese state with a very Western model of government and society would make little sense in our timeline. Why would the centre of East Asian civilisation adopt Western ideas in a world where East Asia has always had parity with the West?

[Waztaskio]

Full Nation Name : French Federative Socialist Republic (Commune of France.)
Majority/Official Culture : French
Territorial Core : Mainland France (The parts not owned by Burgundy), Spain, and Corsica.
Territorial Claim : None.
Capital City : Paris
Population : 50,067,094

Government Type : Federal Delescluzist One Party Socialist State
Government Ideology/Policies : N/A
Government Focus : Economy, Legitimacy, Culture.
Head of State : Chairman of the Executive Committee of the French People's Congress Jules Guesde
Head of Government : Premier of the French Commune Louis Charles Delescluze
Government Description : The Government of the Commune of France is divided into a Legislative, Judicial, and Executive Branch with all three being subjective to the Legislative. The Legislative is known as the French People's Congress, composed of two houses. The Commune of the Union, composed of 126 voting members and the Commune of Regions composed of 26 voting members appointed by regional government councils, who both appoints the Chairman of the Executive Committee, Premier of the French Commune, and the appointment of Supreme Court Justices and convenes once every 5 years unless called for a special session. The Revolutionary Committee functioned as a congress of appointed representatives to handle oversight of the state when the Congress was not in session. The Revolutionary Committee is headed by the Premier, and is responsible for the establishment of the ideals of both of French Revolution and the establishment of the state in accordance with socialist principles. It holds the power to issue laws, create ministries, oversee policies, call for impeachment of the Chairman, and serve as general oversight and review of the French government. Governed by the National Republican Party, ran by the Premier.

Majority/State Religion : Majority Protestant, however no official state religion.
Religious Description : N/A

Economic Ideologies : Socialism
Major Production : Agriculture, Finance, Manufacturing
Economic Description : The French Commune is an industrial powerhouse, with agriculture elements still existing in many regions as well. With urbanization at an all time high, many labor jobs by unskilled workers have been taken leading to a development of railroads and other industrial goods to service the french worker. The economy is mainly overseen by the Regional Councils, who invest in certain industries in order to encourage growth in areas most needed which has lead to many new industries taking hold and expanding the french economy.

Army Strength : Composed of 300,000 men who are well equipped, well trained, and have good leadership. Divided into the French Army, and French National Guard. With the French Army holding 210,000 and the National Guard holding 90,000.
Army Weakness : Rather small compared to other European armies, and suffers from low morale due to their recent leadership changes and loss of colonies.
Naval Strength : 49 Ironclads of which 14 were Frigates capable of 14 knots and mounting 24 guns, 9 Corvettes armed with 16cm and 19cm ordnance. And 26 Ship of the Lines. Very strong navy with good armament, and naval doctrine.
Naval Weakness : Lack of Naval Officers following the Communes Establishment.
Further Military Description : The French Armed Forces is under the control of The Revolutionary Committee, placing the general leadership of the military under the Premier in an operational capacity, but recognizes the Chairman as the de jure commander in chief. The military is split between the French Army, French National Guard, French Marines, and the French Navy all being placed into a Ministry of Defence underneath the Revolutionary Committee.

National Goals : Encourage the spread of socialist thought across the world. (World Revolution!)
National Issues : Internal Political Stability (Infighting between factions), and External Security.
National Figures of Interest : Jules Guesde is the first, due to him being a main figure behind the commune movement. With his writings ushering french socialist ideals and his propaganda spread amongst the workers, makes him invaluable among keeping the social movement alive. Charles Delescluze, the Premier of the state was known for his militancy in dealing with the old regime and the official enforcer and leader of the National Republican Party (NRP). Also known for instituting Delescluzism, which is a mix between economic socialism combined with elements of capitalism to allow for the government to have a decentralized role in economics, by instead of fully controlling the large business entities, but instead granting certain bonuses and privileges to certain industries and promoting investment, while allowing other industries to develop on their own. However, regulation is pressed on all business entities throughout france, and the rights of the public worker are always taken into account before the rights of business owners. Paul Lafargue, advocates for a more Marxist State and is popular with the younger elements of the National Republican Party, advocating for a vanguard and advancement of a Marxist State. Believes the current state is to moderate. Louis Auguste Blanqui, advocating for Blanquism which advocates that socialist revolution should be carried out by a relatively small group of highly organised and secretive conspirators. Popular in France with certain intellectuals, but not anywhere else.
National Ambition/Aspirations : World Socialist Revolution.

History :

• May 5th, 1789 - 9th November 1799 - French Revolution begins, throughout the period socialist movements begin to spring up in support of the ideas of Liberty, Equality, and Fraternity. Creation of the French Council of Socialist, with membership growing due to popularity achieved during this period.
  
• November 9th 1799 - April 6, 1814 - Napoleon Bonaparte's coup is supported by the French Council of Socialist, with many in the council serving in various low government positions within napoleons government during this time.
  
• July 8th 1815 - September 16th 1836 - French Council of Socialist begins to be target Louis XVIII after the reestablishment of a monarchy. Establishing printing presses to publish anti-monarchist propaganda, and printing the new government as a puppet of other European powers. This soon lead to a campaign of violence across France with Anti-Monarchist and Pro-Napoleon forces engaging in violence against Pro-Monarchist and Anti-Napoleon forces.
  
• 1836-1848 - During these years, the French Council of Socialist began to take part in a more bloody campaign against the Pro-Monarchist and Anti-Napoleon forces which they called the "White Forces." And the White Forces began calling the other the "Red Forces." Over the years, these groups engaged in various violent actions with killings and arson taking place on all sides. Eventually, the Red Forces won out by assisting Napoleon III into proclaiming a French Second Republic, and appointing various leaders of the French Council of Socialist to important positions.
  
• 1848-1864 - During these years, the French Council of Socialist continued to grow and Napoleon III set up the second French Empire. During these times, Louis Charles Delescluze began to rally up political capital in the French Council of Socialist and officially split the council by establishing his own National Republican Party. The party was not a collection of various socialist ideologies like the old French Council of Socialist, but rather a party advocating a particular type of socialism spoke and written by Delescluze. He was later joined by young writer Jules Guesde and Paul Lafargue, which lead to his stance becoming super popular all throughout france. In 1866, the National Republican Party stormed into parliment, declaring that the Second French Empire no longer served the interests of France and that the National Republican Party shall guide the nation. The NRP were supported by the French National Guard, and a majority of the french working class.
  
• 1864-1865 - Napoleon III, ordered the French Army to begin to arrests the leaders of the coup and attempted to remain in control. This lead to a short, but bloody civil war spanning over 300,000 causalities, leading to the trial and execution of Napoleon III by the conspirators. The French Federative Socialist Republic was officially declared during this time.
  
• 1865-1867 - The French Federative Socialist Republic ended a number of practices of the old french regime, and instituted the new ideology of Delescluzism throughout France. Many old land owners were replaced, and leadership in the French Navy was put on trial and executed. This period was known as "The Transformation of French Society and Customs." And lead to France not only successfully transitioning into a socialist country, but also maintaining the successes of the French Revolution that was fought for years ago.
  
• 1867-1869 - The French Federative Socialist Republic begins an official military campaign into Iberia, intending to conquer new land for industry after the loss of many portions of Eastern France from Spain. The war drags on for two years, ending in a decisive French Victory once Madrid was taken. Pablo Iglesias Posse placed as temporary Governor of Spain, in an attempt to consolidate strong leadership on the spanish mainland and establish a sister republic.
  
• 1869-1870 - Spain declares itself to be the Spanish Socialist Republic, with all monarchist elements being routed out of government and a official endorsement of a Spanish Workers Party to govern Spain under Posse. France keeps "garrison" troops in Spain to assist with the rebuilding efforts during this time, and an official alliance is also signed.
  
  

Comparison Points – Political : 3
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : 2
Comparison Points – Economy : 3
Comparison Points – Military : 2
Total Comparison Points used (10 Points MAX) : 10/10

Talked to Burgundy. Going to let him have the eastern side of france like his claims state, and I just have the rest of Mainland France and Spain. No colonies, but still own Corsica.

Largely looks good to me, but as I said, Spain is claimed.

He unclaimed it. I posted his response.

[Waztaskio]

As far as I know, there is a reservation for a united Iberia.

That wouldn't be my old one correct? Cause I know before I went for France, I originally was going to do that.

Nevermind. Found the post. He gave up the claims.

I think that yes. Though we would very much like a small description of what you have in mind for those lands.

Reposted it being unclaimed.

[Seinlo]

THRACE! How many spots deep into Africa can I get? I assume that it's at or a little above 2. I want some access to the African Great Lakes. I already have access to Lake Victoria, but having access to lake Tanganyika, or even more than that would be awesome.

[The V O I D]

From my app: "The Italian Empire has a semi-constitutional monarchy; the Imperial Senate (unicameral) is proportionally elected on its political parties and such based on how the voters throughout the Empire vote. The Italian Empire is a unitary state. The Emperor has supreme executive powers; both in regards to military, domestic and abroad (he can create treaties without necessary approval from the Senate, unless the Senate performs a 3/4ths vote of vetoing the treaty)."

Would the Italian Empire's Imperial Senate system be integrated somehow, or would they make reforms to ensure that - similar to the Italian Empire - it'd be a semi-constitutional monarchy?

The Roman Senate is already pretty similar, from what I can see.

The second power belongs to the Imperial Senate,the Senatus, the assembly of the Roman senators. Elected by the Roman citizens once every five years, the Roman Senate acts like a Parliament in other countries, advising the Emperor and having a large legislative power and role, while also having an important rule in governing the empire, by choosing the provincial Proconsuls. Although traditionally, a place for the patricians, in the last centuries the Senate has also started to contain plebeians, now representing all citizens of the Empire, regardless of their position. The Emperor has the power to dissolve the Senate at any time he would want, but the Senate also has the right to formally protest the Emperor's decisions if they would be against the better good of the People of Rome, but it wouldn't affect the Emperor's authority. The Senate is bicameral. The Lower House is the Comitia Curiata (Curiate Assembly) but tradition is to refer to it as the Curia (Assembly). Members of the Assembly, officers of regular legislation, are referred to as Senatores (Senators). Regular bills need a 50% senatorial majority to become senatus consultum. Such a bill will be posted in the Forum the following morning for review by magistrates and citizens. Afterward, the Caesar chooses to either enact or veto the bill, unless it carries a supermajority in the Senate. Senatorial procedure is heavily influenced by tradition. Senators vote by individually consenting to the bill, and debate persists for a customary period of time before being halted by the president of the Senate. The upper house is the Comitium Consularis (Consular Congress). Members of Congress are Consules (Consuls) but they are not like the bureaucrats who bore their name during the First Republic.The consuls have collective power to write federal legislation, which no other body can do.

So, I feel like perhaps the only thing that'd happen post-unification is that: the next Emperor or Empress of the Two Empires Made One would have slightly more power [with regards to compared to the Italian Empire] and at the same time slightly less power [with regards to comparing it to the East-Roman Empire]. The Imperial Senate would likely have to be modified to accommodate both systems without too much reformation. As to the Pope, depending on the outcome of the Italian Civil War, a new Pope may have to be elected and the Catholic Church will be shaken... in all likelihood, depending on how things go, it may even have to collapse and assimilate into the Orthodox Church of the Eastern Romans, giving the Emperor / Empress of the Two Empires Made One the religious powers of the Pope and the same religious powers they'd always have in the Eastern Roman Empire.

Does all of this make sense/sound good, for future reference? Also, if/when we do this (again depending on how the RP turns out), would we both then share Rome and RP as various figures and such as needed? Or would I simply continue to RP as the Italian part using a major Senator or Consul/Governor, and you stayed RPing the East-Roman half?

[Tracian Empire]

Largely looks good to me, but as I said, Spain is claimed.

He unclaimed it. I posted his response.

Not Kiev, Zelent. He's been after Iberia ever since the discussion thread.

[Tracian Empire]

THRACE! How many spots deep into Africa can I get? I assume that it's at or a little above 2. I want some access to the African Great Lakes. I already have access to Lake Victoria, but having access to lake Tanganyika, or even more than that would be awesome.

It depends on how much coast you claim. You can't both control a lot of coast and have a big control deep in the mainland.

[Danceria]

What's House Vasa?

An early European noble house. Caused a lot of problems for the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. They were elected from Sweden, I believe.

Save for in this reality, it caused slightly less trouble, and is still around.