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Seinlo
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Postby Seinlo » Wed Dec 28, 2016 4:45 pm

Danceria wrote:
Seinlo wrote:By help, I mostly mean dates, and no,not the fruit.

Even though you'll be a large producer of them :P

I still have trouble swallowing the Ghurid branch of your already slightly unbelievable nation, as the PU would most likely be recent and out of desperation (on the Ghurid's side) by one of two things.

1) India and Persia. Need I say more?

2) Gradual and long term economic bullying, of which the Ghurid "King" is little more than a Rasulid puppet. Albeit, not the worst puppet as opposed to something Hindu or Zoroastrian, but still.

Reasons being that it allows a few catalysts to occur, namely who will control the last leg of the Silk Road. I foresee a Ghurid proxy conflict where Indians, Persians, Ghurid Seperatists, and Rasulids fight a bloody war.

A Personal Union (according to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary) is: "a union of two states constituted by their becoming subject to the same personal ruler without loss of independent sovereignty" personal ruler being monarch. A smarter approach is to attempt to puppet a few regional rulers, that way you can still keep power in the bits you want (the coastal cities), let Persia tramp about the inland areas, and you'll both walk away happy (and wealthy).


But I want the Ghurid thing to be old. Ugh, okay, I'll fix it.
Depression kind of goes along with not being liked, especially when you ask for help, and don't get it. Remember that, okay? There are people who need someone, even if in a small way. Don't avoid them because of a misunderstanding, them having a bad day, and definitely not because everyone else does it. Even if it's just a fifteen minute conversation about nothing, it might help.

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Postby The V O I D » Wed Dec 28, 2016 4:53 pm

App nearing completion aside from history, will get it done by tonight.

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Postby Seinlo » Wed Dec 28, 2016 4:59 pm

Pre-Application Credits: Danceria played a massive part in helping me come up with this, and I actually have screenshots of stuff I hope makes it into the app, since it’s all really awesome. I was also helped out a lot by the rest of the members, and would like to mention Sanabel and Thrace. This isn’t my best app, but I can assure you that it is certainly my post unique.

Full Nation Name: The Empire of Rasuli, AKA the Sultanate of Yemen
Majority/Official Culture: Most consider themselves Arabian, African, or a combination of Arabian and some other culture; there is a cultural continuum similar to a dialect continuum, but different in that Madagascar’s culture is about as severe as the differences get (except for those causing rebellions), and there are many shared traits between the cultures. Many of the cultures share traits that they didn’t in real life, and as a result there is cultural crossover between the Arabians and the Africans, which is one of the things that allows them to get along better.
Map: This. In case it’s not on the map/you can’t see it, I have colonies in the Chagos archipelago, the Seychelles archipelag, the Kuria Muria island, Masira island. Madagascar also includes Mayotte and the Comoros
Territorial Core: Yemen, Oman, Socotra island, parts of modern Saudi Arabia, modern U.A.E., modern Bahrain, and modern Qatar, strong presence in the Horn of Africa (Eritrea, Djibouti, Somalia, Ethiopia), prominent settlements in Zanzibar (parts of Somalia, Kenya, Tanzania, Burundi, small parts of Mozambique) and Madagascar (includes Mayotte and the Comoros), Reunion island, Kuria Muria island, Masira island, the Seychelles archipelago, the Chagos archipelago, and Mauritius
Territorial Claim: The African Great Lakes Region, part of modern Pakistan/Afghanistan/whatever else is outlined in the color coded map, parts of modern Sudan, parts of some other African nations, parts of the east coast of the Red Sea, parts of modern Mozambique
Other Map Information: A Color-Coded Map - The modern Saudi Arabian territory in a deep orange is only lightly occupied, and officially a claim, and not part of the territorial core. The yellow in Africa constitutes both a claim and part of my trade network. The orange across the map is meant to tell you that these are claims, but that I don’t actually have them. The island colonies/prominent settlements mentioned above are generally small, with the smallest probably being less than 9,000, and I was unsure whether to make them part of the territorial core or the territorial claims because I have actual settlements there. Ghujarat, a state in India, is one of my claims, but interest is fading in hopes of a possible alliance with the nation there, so I didn’t add it. There are trading posts in some of the coastal areas of the rest of the Indian Ocean (some of which are the orange areas), but I am unsure if I am allowed to have those, so I didn’t bother adding them, and they may not even be state-owned because I might just have some traders operating there.
Capital City: Sana’a, Yemen
Population: Around 9,590,000

Government Type: Absolutist monarchy accompanied by a rights-granting charter that only the Sultan isn’t required to follow, and democratic- and republican-leaning (not in the modern political party sense, but in the sense of forms of state) tendencies in some areas
Government Ideology/Policies: Non-militant expansionism that sometimes escalates into militant expansionism or even imperialism. Many members of society have nationalism or patriotism of some sort for the Sultanate of Yemen in their hearts, but there are some who take it to the extreme and express chauvinism. There are small rebellions however, and not everyone reacts with anger, pointing to the fact that nationalism and patriotism isn’t as important to some people as it is to others (while many have nationalistic or patriotic views, some are less pronounced in their beliefs).
Government Focus: The economy and culture are the largest focuses, but the military is strong as a result of heavy funding, extensive training, closely held ideals, and a mercenary/privateer force working aside them
Head of State: Sultan Al-Afdal Al-Abbas II of the Rasulid Dynasty, Caliph of All Islam
Head of Government: Sultan Al-Afdal Al-Abbas II of the Rasulid Dynasty, Caliph of All Islam
Government Description: The Sultan is the absolute ruler, possessing widespread executive powers. A rights-granting charter, a combination of secular and Roman law, and his Cabinet of Yemen (the Council of Ministers; it is over double the size it is IRL, as there are Sultan-elected representatives of several areas) aid greatly in his rule. The Sultan sits in on all meetings held by the nation’s parliament, and has final say and veto powers on all laws passed in the nation (and for rules/laws passed on a scale smaller than nation-wide, he is given reports; these laws will probably never contradict the main law, however). The parliament is made up of the upper house elected by the Sultan (the Council of State of Yemen, and the democratically elected lower house (Consultative Assembly, which is also over twice the size it is IRL). The public is well aware of the fact that the Sultan has and will waive constitutional rights, and respects this as he is the only one capable of doing so. Other parts of the government exist, such as a bureaucracy of non-elected and elected officials, and smaller components such as the rulers of a city.

The country is known for possessing very open foreign and trade policies, as well as an open mind when it comes to negotiations, for the most part. These traits most likely arose due to the increased threat posed by technologically advanced neighbors or economic rivals, but they have led to a bustling economy with free trade (of course, tariffs and taxes still apply), stock markets in all major cities and economic centers, beneficial land ownership laws, smooth operation, and other attributes that make the Sultanate exciting for domestic and international traders alike.

The Sultanate of Yemen is divided into governorates (Muhafazah) as first-order administration, then provinces (Wiliyat), then districts (Kaza), then the subdistricts (the equivalent of counties) (Nahiyah), and then finally into municipalities, a concept embraced because of exposure to Westerners. The colonies are called dominions, but Yemen is closer to (or rather, has closer relations and more control of) its dominions than the real life British Empire was. The type of leader for each will be as follows: governor for the governorates, mutasariff for the provinces, kaimakam for districts (the military rank of kaimakam has been replaced by the title yarbay), a mudir for subdistricts, and mayors for municipalities. Each leader of the governorates and provinces will have secretaries for finance, agriculture and commerce, interaction with foreigners, public works, and correspondence and archives, while those of smaller divisions will have similar staff, and for many of these there is an executive council.

Majority/State Religion: The Arabian Agglomeration
Religious Description: Not given a single-word name like so many other religions, mostly because it hasn’t been given an official name, the so-called Arabian Agglomeration is the same agglomeration as the most widely held culture in the Sultanate of Yemen and its territories. While it may differ from region to region in some areas, and has its strongest presence in Yemen’s territorial core (Madagascar is in the territorial core, but expresses a combination of Malagasy beliefs and those that go along with the Arabian Agglomeration, which has seeped into the African territories it is close to), it is mostly Arabic/Sunni Muslim influenced by Sufism, and blended with Somali, Abyssinian, and Swahili beliefs, as is the rest of the culture.

Economic Ideologies: Open economy mixed market, which is actively avoiding the creation of social disorder while insuring that an affluent society is created (of course, there are still wealthier people and poorer people as there always is), and trying to expand the ruler and state’s power through the prosperity of its citizens; there are state-run corporations and enterprises that attempt to give as much freedom is possible without leaning towards some of capitalism’s tendencies (as Wikipedia says, indirect macroeconomic influence over fiscal and monetary policies). Attempts to expand into nearly any economic sector are allowed, except for those such as slavery.
Major Production: Agricultural goods, mineral products (including moderate iron production as a result of iron mines), high-quality textile and other manufactured
Economic Description: The Sultanate of Yemen has had large amounts of wealth ever since Oman entered a personal union with the Rasulid dynasty, and though there were troubles over the years, this has only improved over time. The adoption of highly efficient and generally very open economic policies that generate much wealth for the Sultanate, the embracement of Roman law, aqueducting, and other customs of the “West” (yes, this is essentially word for word what Danceria suggested, though I edited it some), as well as having algebra and other things while Europe was rather primitive in nature (this one is more ancient, but it still influenced the present Sultanate of Yemen), the Sultanate of Yemen has become an extremely wealthy mercantile nation with clean, beautiful cities. It is semi-industrialized, possessing a well-invested textile industry, more modernized mining, manufacturing, and other such things than those without any industrialization. It possesses extensive railroad and telegraph networks built by contracting industrialized Western nations. It isn’t uncommon for a decent, but not obscene percentage of the GDP to come from renting out privateer and mercenary corporations, many of which operate independently of the Sultanate, but rely on the Sultanate to provide them jobs, with contracts existing regarding what jobs they can take, with benefits such as serving the Sultanate of Yemen and finding a safe-haven there (as long as they follow the laws). The Sultanate produces excellent goods, and what it does not produce it can mine. It is not uncommon for the Sultanate to import materials for architecture, manufacturing, or even crafting. There are craftsmen and makers’ organizations within the Sultanate that are state-funded as part of efforts to improve and maintain culture which benefit from imports. They are doing quite well for themselves at the moment, too, and hope to continue expanding their economy.

Army Strength: The national army and mercenary corps are well-funded and disciplined (leaving them with possession of modern weaponry (about 1870 level), the common use of effective indirect fire with artillery, and having sound tactics). Both armies are well organized and fairly versatile, possessing varied types of soldiers as well as Intelligence, Communications, Engineering, Medical, Exploratory, and other auxiliary corps.
Army Weakness: Many of the numbers come from the mercenary corps, and the army is pretty average outside of their funding and discipline. They aren’t very special; they are unique from other armies, as a result of culture and some differences in how things are done, but they don’t generally have a super trait or anything similar
Naval Strength: The national navy and privateer corps are Incredibly well-funded and disciplined (leaving them with steam-assisted vessels, in possession of a significant amount of smaller vessels that they frequently put together in flotillas that are part of larger groups meant to overwhelm larger vessels, and they have access to shell guns) possess a significant amount of smaller vessels that they frequently use in swarms, and they have access to shell guns
Naval Weakness: Less sophisticated than most major rivals (they are about 1860-1870 level, but Oriental and Western European rivals, which are pretty plentiful, are 10 to 20 years ahead), lagging behind in research for ironclads when compared to the likes of Rome, and, like the army, they are pretty average outside of their funding and discipline
Further Military Description: The need for a larger army and navy revealed itself to the Yemen Sultanate over 50 years ago. In response, mercenary and privateer corporations were eventually leveraged, and the size of the state-operated army grew. Now numbering 178,000 (186,000 with the elite Yemeni Aden’s Guardian Guild) (not counting those in any of the artillery corps or those in the Communications, Medical, Engineering, or other auxiliary corps) regulars, the army is a mighty force more than capable of defending the Sultanate and its people. There exist 14 infantry divisions of 9,000 men each, and 8 cavalry divisions of 6,500 men each in the state army that protect the state and its colonies. The threat of powerful rivals in the form of Western Europeans and the Oriental nations culminated in the recruitment of 225,000 men from the mercenary corporations in the nation, which are largely Somali, Abyssinian, and Ethiopian; the corporations are able to be leveraged to provide mercenaries to other nations, they provide and are given a fairly decent income in exchange for their service. Extensive funding, training, and research has gone into maintaining a military that must be capable of defending itself against technologically sophisticated nations, lest the nation falls apart. They know better than to rely on their size, however, and know that the day may come when they prove to be insufficient for defending against a rival force. Each soldier is generally trained 4.5 to 7.5 months, the number being higher in times of peace, and when it is required soldiers will be levied from the population and deployed with little to no training; in training, there is a focus on loyalty, valor, honor, camaraderie, and similar traits.; there does exist an elite force of 8,000 men that have been trained since they were children, but they are generally separate from the rest of the army, and operate within the capital of Sana’a.

Then there exist the ‘fortress defenders’, whom are regular officers with less training than the national army meant to bolster the defenses of fortifications and military bases, all of which have been trained well in defending their charges, but aren’t generally anywhere near as capable as the Sultanate’s primary army. Additionally, a significant police force has been formed and operates in every settlement, but their numbers are not required as they function entirely as a domestic force, and the type of emergency that would call for their mobilization would mean that the state was about to fall.

Moving onto the navy; the national navy has 72 ships-of-the-line (all at or above third-rate on the RL British Empire’s rating system), 102 attack frigates, 270 frigates, and numerous corvettes, sloops-of-war, and support or auxiliary vessels (including bomb ships [ships equipped with mortars, which are still used, but not as much as they used to be because of the advent of effective shell guns], transport vessels, tenders, hospital ships, and a very sizable merchant fleet). The privateer navy, which operates largely in the Indian Ocean and has also been transformed into a force that can be rented out if necessary, has numbers eclipsing the national navy, but they are generally smaller vessels, and only larger privateer organizations of epic status operate anything like a first-rate, and most don’t operate anything larger than a frigate, with frigates not being incredibly common, either (I think I will have one or two of these organizations).

The vessels of the Sultanate and its privateer fleets are largely steam-assisted vessels equipped with standardized features that enable superior operation compared to how they operated in the 17th and 16th centuries. Shell guns, coppering to prevent rot, some smaller vessels on a warship or its tender to allow for escape if the ship is harmed, broader beams and a larger upper deck to support extensive sailplans, a narrower floor that allows the vessels to be faster (this is generally more efficient in smaller vessels, but larger vessels are just a little faster), they are built on composite construction (iron frames with wooden planking that allow for copper sheathing, decreased sagging and hogging, and the iron frames took up less interior space than wooden framing), the usage of more efficient woods in certain areas (lignum vitae for pieces that wear out quickly, which is imported), ammunition rooms are lined in metal to give some protection to the vessel should the gunpowder catch fire (probably just enough to allow escape), dedicated rams, and, finally, rockets for communication, SOSes, and shipboarding, all encourage the navy officers with additional moral, and add some much-needed advantages to the vessels, though they are largely based around physical design. Specialized attack frigates that are great frigate-sized exist that make use of these features, but have also had its storage areas replaced by two extra gun decks (the ship is raised a little to make use of all of them; gun deck number is raised to four, and cannons/shell gun numbers may approach 88); unfortunately, they have to be used in tandem with specialized tender ships.

It is the general focus of the military to protect the nation’s sovereign borders and interests, expand territory, insure the survival of culture, and prevent any and all incursions by outside forces.

National Goals: Overall, they wish to make sure that Islam survives, even if it isn’t pure Islam anymore. They wish to become independent of imports of coal and other industrial materials, and also to have the ability to become independent of Western firms, but not necessarily to abandon their contracts with them.
National Issues: Natural resources (such as coal, and such for steel and, oh, I dunno, an actual industrial revolution), the lagging behind their rivals, certain regional alliances (getting rid of them is out of the question, so cozying up to them is more likely), highly efficient and sophisticated competition from Western Europe and the Oriental nations, ‘rebel’ groups of pirates that refused becoming a privateer company in the Empire. There are “small” (by small, I mean moderately sized. They’re not super dangerous, and my nation isn’t falling apart as they are generally geographically separated, but there is one particular force that poses a threat to legitimacy) rebellions (HERESIES!) taking place because of the Ibadi tribes of Oman, while Orthodox and other missionaries travel from South Africa and the Mediterranean, trying to convert my people. The Gulf of Persia leads to Zoroastrian missionaries entering the Empire’s heartland. The travels of missionaries result in odd variations and combinations of religions seeking peace to form. Then there are the Solomonists, who have been around since the 1600s (possibly longer), which pose the most dangerous threat to the Sultanate of Yemen, as they are a politically adept religious organization based in the Horn of Africa that has a leader who claims to be descended from both the Prophet Mohammed and King Solomon, endangering the dynasty’s control of the Red Sea.
National Ambition/Aspirations: To become more sophisticated, self-sustaining, and less fearful than they are now. They envision a much more prosperous nation, and this is idealized in things like the painting of lush, but still metaphorical and somewhat abstract landscapes of Arabia (the lushness is a metaphor for what they want the nation to become, and the abstract styles slowly formed as people started introducing ways to prevent them for being mistaken for actual landscapes), which adds to the affluent, ambitious, but ultimately unsatisfied cultural identity seen in Rasuli.

History:

  • Before 1096: As per real life, there was a massive spread of Islam, but it did not reach far past the Yazd province of present day Iran, and found more of a home in the western and southern areas of Africa (and in India).
  • 1096: The Crusades begin
  • 1098: The states of Yemen and Oman form a personal union
  • 1229: Rasulid Dynasty is founded by Umar ibn Rasul, conquests begin
  • 1234: The Muslim Kingdoms of the Horn of Africa begin sending their sons to Yemen and Oman to study, bringing people and military support to the Rasuli Empire. This would dampen the blows that the Ninth Crusade would later inflict upon the Empire.
  • 1271-1272: The Ninth Crusade occurs, with the Empire of Rasuli suffering, but recovering to its former levels within a decade.
  • 1278: Recovery from the Ninth Crusade nears completion
  • 1298: Plagues sweep through the Empire, ending another short-lived era of prosperity.
  • 1331: The Empire begins marrying off the sons and daughters of the House of Rasulid, making use of the close alliances they held with the Muslim Kingdoms of the Horn of Africa, and they take advantage of their alliances. Over time, the Muslim Kingdoms would become more subservient, and eventually be absorbed.
  • 1441: Extinguishment of major rebellions, ushering in a new era of peace under the Rasulid dynasty within the state, and preventing the fall of the Rasulid dynasty in 1454
  • 1442: The defeat of Egypt in the Red Sea leads to total control over the Hejaz, leading to an era of both peace and prosperity, and leaving the Rasulid dynasty rulers of a nation now seen as the rightful successor to the world’s former Muslim Caliphates.
  • 1445: The Sultan dies, and the first Sultana of the state rises to prominence as a result of strange circumstance, and a devastated royal family. She makes sweeping reforms, and changes the Sultanate’s views of women, as well as how foreign and economic policy was handled, with the focus on slavery being shifted to the Sultana’s hope of abolishing slavery. Her actions would also insure the survival of the Rasulid dynasty.
  • 1465: The Almulahhimi Sultana is assassinated, the perpetrator escaping. It becomes a day of mourning in the Yemeni state.
  • 1545: The First Century Anniversary of the Almulahhimi Sultana ascendance sees the abolition of Sharia law, and the implementation of a combination of Roman law and some secular ideals. The descendants of the Almulahhimi Sultana had gathered their allies, both foreign and domestic, and prevented any major uprisings from occurring, efforts that were almost certainly aided by the development of the Empire’s more peaceful, open-minded agglomerate culture.
  • 1571: The first stock market is established. It is not as developed as those in Europe, but that would change in the future.
  • 1578: The first mercenary company/corporation is established.
  • 1583: The first privateer company/corporation is established. While independent from the state, it had agreed to certain things in exchange for being served first, a decent amount of pay, and a safe-haven in the empire, much of which had also been granted to the first mercenary corporation back in 1577.
  • 1612: 13 members of the House of Rasulid are killed during a pirate attack on a small flotilla. The escort flotilla was the only one available because of a shortage of vessels due to combating the pirates. Afterwards, they put their privateer corps and remaining state-operated vessels into override, calling upon what allies they could find in the matter of dealing with pirates in the Indian Ocean, and managing to convince many of them to become privateer corporations or companies, though they were to undergo a period of not attacking certain powers that aided them for quite some time (over a century, actually. It was the only way that the Empire could convince other states to continue to aid them once they realized what the Empire wanted to do), but there were also many others that rebelled, and pirates still terrorize the Indian Ocean because of that.
  • 1630: Conquests along the eastern coast of Africa take place
  • 1645: The Second Century Anniversary of the Almulahhimi Sultana ascendance sees the abolition of slavery.
  • 1667: The first Solomonist rebellion breaks out in Ethiopia, marking the beginning of the most dangerous dissident threat to the Empire.
  • 1712: The state’s agreement not to use privateers against certain nations ends. The state does not yet change their use of the privateers.
  • 1713: The Rasulid dynasty quickly rises to prominence, controlling trade and ports in southeast Africa and several other areas of the Indian Ocean, which wouldn’t be broken any time soon.
  • 1767: The second Solomonist rebellion breaks out in Ethiopia.
  • 1842: The Sultanate makes contact with several Western firms, hoping to come to agreement on the construction of extensive networks of railways and telegraph lines, as well as education on how to manage them, and future aid in maintenance.
  • 1845: First shell gun reaches the Sultanate of Yemen
  • 1850: A Solomonist rebellion breaks out in Ethiopia.
  • 1854: After nearly a decade of development, a more sophisticated shell gun is produced by the Imperial Arsenal’s research and development branch.
  • 1867: The Empire reaches an economic and military level of development that they, for some reason, see as a cause for celebration, marking a day that would forever include falling asleep in a drunken stupor. Still, the population is not completely satisfied with the nation as it is.
  • 1870: Modern day

Comparison Points – Political: 2.5
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious: 2.5
Comparison Points – Economy: 3
Comparison Points – Military: 2
Total Comparison Points used (10 Points MAX): 10/10
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Depression kind of goes along with not being liked, especially when you ask for help, and don't get it. Remember that, okay? There are people who need someone, even if in a small way. Don't avoid them because of a misunderstanding, them having a bad day, and definitely not because everyone else does it. Even if it's just a fifteen minute conversation about nothing, it might help.

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Postby Seinlo » Wed Dec 28, 2016 5:00 pm

There, I'm done. I'm not sure I like my app, or communicated the small rebellions well, but the last one is probably because I forgot where they were >_>
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Depression kind of goes along with not being liked, especially when you ask for help, and don't get it. Remember that, okay? There are people who need someone, even if in a small way. Don't avoid them because of a misunderstanding, them having a bad day, and definitely not because everyone else does it. Even if it's just a fifteen minute conversation about nothing, it might help.

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Postby Democratic East-Asia » Wed Dec 28, 2016 5:02 pm

Ok then, I will be looking into making a South China app.
Revolutionary Communist State set in Asia. PMT.
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Actively funding left-wing "terrorist" organizations since its founding.

East Asian News: Quantum mainframes installed in Tokyo Mega-Complex| Bengalese Premier announces completion of new sea walls | Economic production up 8.5% from last quarter in the South China SSR

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Seinlo
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Postby Seinlo » Wed Dec 28, 2016 5:10 pm

I found my notes and screenshots! The Solomoniststhat are Danceria's original heresy will now be added to the app. Bad original heresy is bad, mm'kay? They need to die.
Depression kind of goes along with not being liked, especially when you ask for help, and don't get it. Remember that, okay? There are people who need someone, even if in a small way. Don't avoid them because of a misunderstanding, them having a bad day, and definitely not because everyone else does it. Even if it's just a fifteen minute conversation about nothing, it might help.

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Postby Seinlo » Wed Dec 28, 2016 5:13 pm

These rebellions are "small", not small like I said they were for propaganda's sake. They may be separated geographically (except for areas plagued by Orthodox and Zoroastrian missionaries), but they are problems.
Depression kind of goes along with not being liked, especially when you ask for help, and don't get it. Remember that, okay? There are people who need someone, even if in a small way. Don't avoid them because of a misunderstanding, them having a bad day, and definitely not because everyone else does it. Even if it's just a fifteen minute conversation about nothing, it might help.

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Postby Novacom » Wed Dec 28, 2016 5:19 pm

Seinlo wrote:These rebellions are "small", not small like I said they were for propaganda's sake. They may be separated geographically (except for areas plagued by Orthodox and Zoroastrian missionaries), but they are problems.


You will BTW need to pick a direction as EVERYTHING you want when whacked on the map is quite large, you can't have parts of India to the North Africa and Madagascar all the way South...

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Seinlo
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Postby Seinlo » Wed Dec 28, 2016 5:23 pm

Novacom wrote:
Seinlo wrote:These rebellions are "small", not small like I said they were for propaganda's sake. They may be separated geographically (except for areas plagued by Orthodox and Zoroastrian missionaries), but they are problems.


You will BTW need to pick a direction as EVERYTHING you want when whacked on the map is quite large, you can't have parts of India to the North Africa and Madagascar all the way South...


I don't have parts of India. I have less than half of Pakistan. It's a territory that's only large enough to offer something to my nation. A PU with one of the rare Muslim nations isn't strange or extreme at all.
Depression kind of goes along with not being liked, especially when you ask for help, and don't get it. Remember that, okay? There are people who need someone, even if in a small way. Don't avoid them because of a misunderstanding, them having a bad day, and definitely not because everyone else does it. Even if it's just a fifteen minute conversation about nothing, it might help.

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Postby Seinlo » Wed Dec 28, 2016 5:34 pm

Did I accidentally add South Africa again? I don't want any part of South Africa... :/ Or Mozambique. I just looked. Please ignore South Africa (well, parts of it) and Mozambique. Those are other nation's claims. I mean, they don't have apps, but I don't want them. (I think Mozamboque starts where a line between the tip of Madagascar and Africa to the east would be.)

Is it better now that 1/4 (1/5? I hate fractions) of the territory in Africa is gone? If you want, you can also cut off half of my half of Pakistan, but I would like to keep Baluchistan/Bolochistan (that's only two areas on this map, but borders with India would be nice).

P.S. I accidentally deleted this post earlier.
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Depression kind of goes along with not being liked, especially when you ask for help, and don't get it. Remember that, okay? There are people who need someone, even if in a small way. Don't avoid them because of a misunderstanding, them having a bad day, and definitely not because everyone else does it. Even if it's just a fifteen minute conversation about nothing, it might help.

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Postby Danceria » Wed Dec 28, 2016 5:40 pm

Seinlo wrote:I found my notes and screenshots! The Solomoniststhat are Danceria's original heresy will now be added to the app. Bad original heresy is bad, mm'kay? They need to die.

Basically, they're the Solomonic Dynasty, but slightly more religious.

Due to the unique components of Islam, while the Rasulids are the de facto Successors of Muhammad (being elected Caliph, and "claimed" lineage of previous Caliphs and the person who basically populated the Arab Penensula with said Arabs and founded the city of Sana'a). However, the Solomonists (as their name suggests) follow a person who was descended from Solomon (who is revered as a Prophet of Islam and ancestor of Muhammad) as well as the great-grand nephew of Muhammad. If these claims are to be believed, then the Solomonists have a far more legitimate claim than the Rasulids. If one were to follow the tenants of Shia Islam.

Their main policies are dividing the empire into equal sultanates instead of one Caliph to rule over all (in accordance with their forefather's teachings, they are very active and vocal in sociopolitical affairs. They are more African in tradition than hardline Sunni Islam, and embrace the mystical tenants of the various Sufi schools that still survive. Yet reject the validity of the Rasulids mystical spiritual knowledge and lineage transfusion thingy that is really confusing but let's go with it, stating that a Caliph (that is to say, head of Islam) ought to.

A) Be a decedent of Muhammad, not elected

B) only be involved in spiritual manners, having the Imams (preachers of Islam) "of good quality and renown assist or rule over the peoples, whichever their situation may be."

They are more individualistic rather than the community oriented culture of the Rasulid Sultanate, and prefer a more "no compromises" approach to Sharia Law.
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Postby Cabana » Wed Dec 28, 2016 5:46 pm

Gah I don't know if I should continue with my New England idea or remake South Africa.
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Postby Seinlo » Wed Dec 28, 2016 5:47 pm

Danceria wrote:
Seinlo wrote:I found my notes and screenshots! The Solomoniststhat are Danceria's original heresy will now be added to the app. Bad original heresy is bad, mm'kay? They need to die.

Basically, they're the Solomonic Dynasty, but slightly more religious.

Due to the unique components of Islam, while the Rasulids are the de facto Successors of Muhammad (being elected Caliph, and "claimed" lineage of previous Caliphs and the person who basically populated the Arab Penensula with said Arabs and founded the city of Sana'a). However, the Solomonists (as their name suggests) follow a person who was descended from Solomon (who is revered as a Prophet of Islam and ancestor of Muhammad) as well as the great-grand nephew of Muhammad. If these claims are to be believed, then the Solomonists have a far more legitimate claim than the Rasulids. If one were to follow the tenants of Shia Islam.

Their main policies are dividing the empire into equal sultanates instead of one Caliph to rule over all (in accordance with their forefather's teachings, they are very active and vocal in sociopolitical affairs. They are more African in tradition than hardline Sunni Islam, and embrace the mystical tenants of the various Sufi schools that still survive. Yet reject the validity of the Rasulids mystical spiritual knowledge and lineage transfusion thingy that is really confusing but let's go with it, stating that a Caliph (that is to say, head of Islam) ought to.

A) Be a decedent of Muhammad, not elected

B) only be involved in spiritual manners, having the Imams (preachers of Islam) "of good quality and renown assist or rule over the peoples, whichever their situation may be."

They are more individualistic rather than the community oriented culture of the Rasulid Sultanate, and prefer a more "no compromises" approach to Sharia Law.


My ruler: These are all just more reasons to suppress them. They sound like a political party. Those are not allowed!

:P

My nation won't deal with that nonsense. Why would it after decades of leniant rule following the abolition of slavery and Sharia law?

To be honest, abolishing those two things probably pissed them off. I mean, the Ottoman Empire's last slaves (whom were female) were given freedom some time in 1904. They also probably didn't like that one of the leaders was female, which might have been why she was assassinated... Well, that and almost causing a civil war on more than two separate occasions.
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Postby Seinlo » Wed Dec 28, 2016 5:48 pm

Cabana wrote:Gah I don't know if I should continue with my New England idea or remake South Africa.


REMAKE SOUTH AFRICA! I WILL BE YOUR FRIEND!

Edit: Unless you don't want me to be...
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Postby Elerian » Wed Dec 28, 2016 5:53 pm

Seinlo wrote:
Novacom wrote:
You will BTW need to pick a direction as EVERYTHING you want when whacked on the map is quite large, you can't have parts of India to the North Africa and Madagascar all the way South...


I don't have parts of India. I have less than half of Pakistan. It's a territory that's only large enough to offer something to my nation. A PU with one of the rare Muslim nations isn't strange or extreme at all.


Its either or, not both.

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Postby Seinlo » Wed Dec 28, 2016 5:54 pm

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Seinlo wrote:
I don't have parts of India. I have less than half of Pakistan. It's a territory that's only large enough to offer something to my nation. A PU with one of the rare Muslim nations isn't strange or extreme at all.


Its either or, not both.


Seinlo wrote:Did I accidentally add South Africa again? I don't want any part of South Africa... :/ Or Mozambique. I just looked. Please ignore South Africa (well, parts of it) and Mozambique. Those are other nation's claims. I mean, they don't have apps, but I don't want them. (I think Mozamboque starts where a line between the tip of Madagascar and Africa to the east would be.)

Is it better now that 1/4 (1/5? I hate fractions) of the territory in Africa is gone? If you want, you can also cut off half of my half of Pakistan, but I would like to keep Baluchistan/Bolochistan (that's only two areas on this map, but borders with India would be nice).

P.S. I accidentally deleted this post earlier.


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Postby Cabana » Wed Dec 28, 2016 5:54 pm

Seinlo wrote:
Cabana wrote:Gah I don't know if I should continue with my New England idea or remake South Africa.


REMAKE SOUTH AFRICA! I WILL BE YOUR FRIEND!

Ah but I don't know if I want it to be an Afrikaner state or a Zulu state. Although, I think a Muslim Zulu sultanate would be an interesting idea.
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Postby Seinlo » Wed Dec 28, 2016 5:57 pm

Cabana wrote:
Seinlo wrote:
REMAKE SOUTH AFRICA! I WILL BE YOUR FRIEND!

Ah but I don't know if I want it to be an Afrikaner state or a Zulu state. Although, I think a Muslim Zulu sultanate would be an interesting idea.


You could also have a "problem" with the Orthodox, or a significant enough Orthodox minority that I end up with missionaries traveling to me (by sea, most likely). It could add more interesting things ^-^
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Postby Seinlo » Wed Dec 28, 2016 6:09 pm

Elerian wrote:
Seinlo wrote:
I don't have parts of India. I have less than half of Pakistan. It's a territory that's only large enough to offer something to my nation. A PU with one of the rare Muslim nations isn't strange or extreme at all.


Its either or, not both.


It occurs to me it might be more beneficial to focus on one. I'll take east Africa instead of the Ghurid Kingdom. Perhaps I could still had Baluchistan, and one other fill-in thingy on the map that ghes me a border to India? It would only be 3 or 4 (4 at the most, I believe) spots on the map, which is just essentially a large trading post, or a collection of coastal or near-coastal cities. Would that be possible? All I really wanted were a few spots there, and I went overboard, because I'm silly

Edit: Please don't forget to remove Mozambique. That's someone else's, though they have yet to make an app, yet.
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Postby South Mauristan » Wed Dec 28, 2016 6:27 pm

Completed app on page 5
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Postby Seinlo » Wed Dec 28, 2016 6:29 pm

South Mauristan wrote:Completed app on page 5


What nation are you? *Is too lazy to check. Also prefers conversation over other stuff.*
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Postby South Mauristan » Wed Dec 28, 2016 6:36 pm

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South Mauristan wrote:Completed app on page 5


What nation are you? *Is too lazy to check. Also prefers conversation over other stuff.*


Kosso Empire. Pretty much Islamic union of West African states
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Postby Kievan Rus Republic » Wed Dec 28, 2016 6:51 pm

OMG, I go to sleep and Majapahit is already take the whole Indonesia, no, area that I've asked to be requested... :( It was 1 A.M when I ask it to be reserved! I can't make an app on that time.
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Postby Trotza » Wed Dec 28, 2016 6:55 pm

Kievan Rus Republic wrote:OMG, I go to sleep and Majapahit is already take the whole Indonesia, no, area that I've asked to be requested... :( It was 1 A.M when I ask it to be reserved! I can't make an app on that time.

I think I've had that as my established path for quite a while now. Apologies if nobody told you.
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Postby Kievan Rus Republic » Wed Dec 28, 2016 6:59 pm

Trotza wrote:
Kievan Rus Republic wrote:OMG, I go to sleep and Majapahit is already take the whole Indonesia, no, area that I've asked to be requested... :( It was 1 A.M when I ask it to be reserved! I can't make an app on that time.

I think I've had that as my established path for quite a while now. Apologies if nobody told you.

;-; okay then, there goes my dream of dutch dominion of Indonesia....
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