International Warfare [OOC/CONCLUDED][CN SPONSORED]

[Monarchy of Japanada]

*Sigh*
Are you brain dead? I JUST SAID that it is an indirect war and you can't enter. You can't enter a war as an ally of an ally of a combatant. I'm not going to discuss this with someone who won't listen, but consider this your warning: you cannot enter into the war.

Why can't I, then. Explain.
If Russia declared war upon Germany, the USA would enter, and Japan would enter as well, even if Japan is not allied with Germany.
So why can't I do the same?
Also, I said this would have happened IF (and I repeat it: IF) Rome touched Slovenia. Anyways, I still am waiting for Entitaria's opinion on this, as it is Entitaria who controls Slovenia, and none of us.

Japan wouldn't help Germany, they CAN'T declare war and would have no interest in Europe. If Russia attacked America I bet they wouldn't do ANYTHING even if they were allowed to.

[Greater Slavic Union]

Why can't I, then. Explain.
If Russia declared war upon Germany, the USA would enter, and Japan would enter as well, even if Japan is not allied with Germany.
So why can't I do the same?
Also, I said this would have happened IF (and I repeat it: IF) Rome touched Slovenia. Anyways, I still am waiting for Entitaria's opinion on this, as it is Entitaria who controls Slovenia, and none of us.

Japan wouldn't help Germany, they CAN'T declare war and would have no interest in Europe. If Russia attacked America I bet they wouldn't do ANYTHING even if they were allowed to.

They can, quote "Deploy the SDF overseas if an allied nation is attacked". This is what would happen in case the USA enter the war as a defensive one on the side of Germany. Article 9 has been changed...

[RNT]

This probably isn't the best time to intrude, but if Brazil was to enter the IDF would they feel the same negative effects as everyone else despite being previously neutral?

Everyone was hurt by the war even me and we never even entered the war.

[Monarchy of Japanada]

Japan wouldn't help Germany, they CAN'T declare war and would have no interest in Europe. If Russia attacked America I bet they wouldn't do ANYTHING even if they were allowed to.

They can, quote "Deploy the SDF overseas if an allied nation is attacked". This is what would happen in case the USA enter the war as a defensive one on the side of Germany. Article 9 has been changed...

But they still wouldn't help the U.S or Germany...

The most they'd do would give the U.S supplies, and they probably still wouldn't do that.

[Atrilan]

Why can't I, then. Explain.
If Russia declared war upon Germany, the USA would enter, and Japan would enter as well, even if Japan is not allied with Germany.
So why can't I do the same?
Also, I said this would have happened IF (and I repeat it: IF) Rome touched Slovenia. Anyways, I still am waiting for Entitaria's opinion on this, as it is Entitaria who controls Slovenia, and none of us.

Japan wouldn't help Germany, they CAN'T declare war and would have no interest in Europe. If Russia attacked America I bet they wouldn't do ANYTHING even if they were allowed to.

I believe he was referring to WWII. However, Japan was a direct ally of Germany.

[Monarchy of Japanada]

Japan wouldn't help Germany, they CAN'T declare war and would have no interest in Europe. If Russia attacked America I bet they wouldn't do ANYTHING even if they were allowed to.

I believe he was referring to WWII. However, Japan was a direct ally of Germany.

No because he said the U.S would help Germany, which wouldn't happen in WW2.

[Greater Slavic Union]

They can, quote "Deploy the SDF overseas if an allied nation is attacked". This is what would happen in case the USA enter the war as a defensive one on the side of Germany. Article 9 has been changed...

But they still wouldn't help the U.S or Germany...

The U.S. have an alliance treaty with Japan.

Japan wouldn't help Germany, they CAN'T declare war and would have no interest in Europe. If Russia attacked America I bet they wouldn't do ANYTHING even if they were allowed to.

I believe he was referring to WWII. However, Japan was a direct ally of Germany.

Nope I wasn't.

[The Canadian North-West]

Japan wouldn't help Germany, they CAN'T declare war and would have no interest in Europe. If Russia attacked America I bet they wouldn't do ANYTHING even if they were allowed to.

They can, quote "Deploy the SDF overseas if an allied nation is attacked". This is what would happen in case the USA enter the war as a defensive one on the side of Germany. Article 9 has been changed...

Japan isn't even in NATO though as far as I know, so Article 9 doesn't apply to them.

[Monarchy of Japanada]

They can, quote "Deploy the SDF overseas if an allied nation is attacked". This is what would happen in case the USA enter the war as a defensive one on the side of Germany. Article 9 has been changed...

Japan isn't even in NATO though as far as I know, so Article 9 doesn't apply to them.

Article 9 of the Japanese Constitution (日本国憲法第9条 Nihonkokukenpō dai kyū-jō ?) is a clause in the national Constitution of Japan outlawing war as a means to settle international disputes involving the state. The Constitution came into effect on May 3, 1947, following World War II.

[The Canadian North-West]

Japan isn't even in NATO though as far as I know, so Article 9 doesn't apply to them.

Article 9 of the Japanese Constitution (日本国憲法第9条 Nihonkokukenpō dai kyū-jō ?) is a clause in the national Constitution of Japan outlawing war as a means to settle international disputes involving the state. The Constitution came into effect on May 3, 1947, following World War II.

Oh, I thought he was talking about NATO's thing. Wasn't that Article 9 as well, or am I misremembering?

[Arbakovana-Venezia]

Japan wouldn't help Germany, they CAN'T declare war and would have no interest in Europe. If Russia attacked America I bet they wouldn't do ANYTHING even if they were allowed to.

They can, quote "Deploy the SDF overseas if an allied nation is attacked". This is what would happen in case the USA enter the war as a defensive one on the side of Germany. Article 9 has been changed...

Look. You can't join the war unless one of your allies already in the war has a wargoal against it. Otherwise, all you can do is watch.

[Greater Slavic Union]

Japan isn't even in NATO though as far as I know, so Article 9 doesn't apply to them.

Article 9 of the Japanese Constitution (日本国憲法第9条 Nihonkokukenpō dai kyū-jō ?) is a clause in the national Constitution of Japan outlawing war as a means to settle international disputes involving the state. The Constitution came into effect on May 3, 1947, following World War II.

Article 9 has been changed in 2014 or 2015 (I don't remember exactly when), and now the SDF can also be used to defend allies of Japan.
I was saying that, given this, Japan can support the US in a defensive war, if the US are in it, no matter if Japan is not allied with Germany who gets declared war upon by Russia.
So...
Russia goes to war with Germany.
Article 5 of NATO kicks in, and thus the US enter the war on Germany's side.
Japan is allied with the US, and, accordingly to the new version of Article 9, it now can help the US in its DEFENSIVE war.
This is how it works.

[Arbakovana-Venezia]

Article 9 of the Japanese Constitution (日本国憲法第9条 Nihonkokukenpō dai kyū-jō ?) is a clause in the national Constitution of Japan outlawing war as a means to settle international disputes involving the state. The Constitution came into effect on May 3, 1947, following World War II.

Article 9 has been changed in 2014 or 2015 (I don't remember exactly when), and now the SDF can also be used to defend allies of Japan.
I was saying that, given this, Japan can support the US in a defensive war, if the US are in it, no matter if Japan is not allied with Germany who gets declared war upon by Russia.
So...
Russia goes to war with Germany.
Article 5 of NATO kicks in, and thus the US enter the war on Germany's side.
Japan is allied with the US, and, accordingly to the new version of Article 9, it now can help the US in its DEFENSIVE war.
This is how it works.

This isn't real-life, it's a RP. War & allies in this works similarly to that of Europa Universalis 4, meaning if an ally of the war leader in a war isn't seen as a co-belligerent, it can't call it's own allies.

[Monarchy of Japanada]

Article 9 of the Japanese Constitution (日本国憲法第9条 Nihonkokukenpō dai kyū-jō ?) is a clause in the national Constitution of Japan outlawing war as a means to settle international disputes involving the state. The Constitution came into effect on May 3, 1947, following World War II.

Article 9 has been changed in 2014 or 2015 (I don't remember exactly when), and now the SDF can also be used to defend allies of Japan.
I was saying that, given this, Japan can support the US in a defensive war, if the US are in it, no matter if Japan is not allied with Germany who gets declared war upon by Russia.
So...
Russia goes to war with Germany.
Article 5 of NATO kicks in, and thus the US enter the war on Germany's side.
Japan is allied with the US, and, accordingly to the new version of Article 9, it now can help the US in its DEFENSIVE war.
This is how it works.

Is this relevant to the conversation anymore?

[Arbakovana-Venezia]

Article 9 has been changed in 2014 or 2015 (I don't remember exactly when), and now the SDF can also be used to defend allies of Japan.
I was saying that, given this, Japan can support the US in a defensive war, if the US are in it, no matter if Japan is not allied with Germany who gets declared war upon by Russia.
So...
Russia goes to war with Germany.
Article 5 of NATO kicks in, and thus the US enter the war on Germany's side.
Japan is allied with the US, and, accordingly to the new version of Article 9, it now can help the US in its DEFENSIVE war.
This is how it works.

Is this relevant to the conversation anymore?

its not

[Monarchy of Japanada]

GTG now, but I'll post something soon.

[Arbakovana-Venezia]

GTG now, but I'll post something soon.

ok bye

[Greater Slavic Union]

Article 9 has been changed in 2014 or 2015 (I don't remember exactly when), and now the SDF can also be used to defend allies of Japan.
I was saying that, given this, Japan can support the US in a defensive war, if the US are in it, no matter if Japan is not allied with Germany who gets declared war upon by Russia.
So...
Russia goes to war with Germany.
Article 5 of NATO kicks in, and thus the US enter the war on Germany's side.
Japan is allied with the US, and, accordingly to the new version of Article 9, it now can help the US in its DEFENSIVE war.
This is how it works.

Is this relevant to the conversation anymore?

Kind of.

Article 9 has been changed in 2014 or 2015 (I don't remember exactly when), and now the SDF can also be used to defend allies of Japan.
I was saying that, given this, Japan can support the US in a defensive war, if the US are in it, no matter if Japan is not allied with Germany who gets declared war upon by Russia.
So...
Russia goes to war with Germany.
Article 5 of NATO kicks in, and thus the US enter the war on Germany's side.
Japan is allied with the US, and, accordingly to the new version of Article 9, it now can help the US in its DEFENSIVE war.
This is how it works.

This isn't real-life, it's a RP. War & allies in this works similarly to that of Europa Universalis 4, meaning if an ally of the war leader in a war isn't seen as a co-belligerent, it can't call it's own allies.

So... Serbia should be considered the war leader for Veneto's side, as it is the strongest economy, with the strongest military, and with the highest population in the Alliance. And I am allied with Serbia. So I can kick in (but I would do that only if Italy dares to touch one of the Slavic Countries of that zone).
Thanks for adding an arrow to my bow!

[Arbakovana-Venezia]

Is this relevant to the conversation anymore?

Kind of.

This isn't real-life, it's a RP. War & allies in this works similarly to that of Europa Universalis 4, meaning if an ally of the war leader in a war isn't seen as a co-belligerent, it can't call it's own allies.

So... Serbia should be considered the war leader for Veneto's side, as it is the strongest economy, with the strongest military, and with the highest population in the Alliance. And I am allied with Serbia. So I can kick in (but I would do that only if Italy dares to touch one of the Slavic Countries of that zone).
Thanks for adding an arrow to my bow!

No. The person that has the war declared upon it is the war leader, so Veneto is the war leader. You can attempt to ally with Veneto if you want to join in.

[Atrilan]

Is this relevant to the conversation anymore?

Kind of.

This isn't real-life, it's a RP. War & allies in this works similarly to that of Europa Universalis 4, meaning if an ally of the war leader in a war isn't seen as a co-belligerent, it can't call it's own allies.

So... Serbia should be considered the war leader for Veneto's side, as it is the strongest economy, with the strongest military, and with the highest population in the Alliance. And I am allied with Serbia. So I can kick in (but I would do that only if Italy dares to touch one of the Slavic Countries of that zone).
Thanks for adding an arrow to my bow!

Join into that war and you get banned, I don't have the patience to deal with irritating twits such as how you're acting now.

[Arbakovana-Venezia]

Kind of.


So... Serbia should be considered the war leader for Veneto's side, as it is the strongest economy, with the strongest military, and with the highest population in the Alliance. And I am allied with Serbia. So I can kick in (but I would do that only if Italy dares to touch one of the Slavic Countries of that zone).
Thanks for adding an arrow to my bow!

Join into that war and you get banned, I don't have the patience to deal with irritating twits such as how you're acting now.

i cant afford child support

[Greater Slavic Union]

Kind of.


So... Serbia should be considered the war leader for Veneto's side, as it is the strongest economy, with the strongest military, and with the highest population in the Alliance. And I am allied with Serbia. So I can kick in (but I would do that only if Italy dares to touch one of the Slavic Countries of that zone).
Thanks for adding an arrow to my bow!

No. The person that has the war declared upon it is the war leader, so Veneto is the war leader. You can attempt to ally with Veneto if you want to join in.

In EVERY Paradox Game the most powerful country in a faction is the war leader. So, if this RP worked like EUIV, which is a Paradox Game, then Serbia should be the war leader...

Kind of.


So... Serbia should be considered the war leader for Veneto's side, as it is the strongest economy, with the strongest military, and with the highest population in the Alliance. And I am allied with Serbia. So I can kick in (but I would do that only if Italy dares to touch one of the Slavic Countries of that zone).
Thanks for adding an arrow to my bow!

Join into that war and you get banned, I don't have the patience to deal with irritating twits such as how you're acting now.

As I said before, I am waiting for Entitaria's opinion on this, as it is Entitaria who controls Slovenia.
Anyways, I am waiting for an actual point beside "You can't because Serbia has not been declared war upon"...

[Arbakovana-Venezia]

No. The person that has the war declared upon it is the war leader, so Veneto is the war leader. You can attempt to ally with Veneto if you want to join in.

In EVERY Paradox Game the most powerful country in a faction is the war leader. So, if this RP worked like EUIV, which is a Paradox Game, then Serbia should be the war leader...

Join into that war and you get banned, I don't have the patience to deal with irritating twits such as how you're acting now.

As I said before, I am waiting for Entitaria's opinion on this, as it is Entitaria who controls Slovenia.
Anyways, I am waiting for an actual point beside "You can't because Serbia has not been declared war upon"...

You're thinking about Victoria 2 and HOI 4. I'm talking about EU 4. EU 4 is more suitable for this RP.

[Greater Slavic Union]

In EVERY Paradox Game the most powerful country in a faction is the war leader. So, if this RP worked like EUIV, which is a Paradox Game, then Serbia should be the war leader...


As I said before, I am waiting for Entitaria's opinion on this, as it is Entitaria who controls Slovenia.
Anyways, I am waiting for an actual point beside "You can't because Serbia has not been declared war upon"...

You're thinking about Victoria 2 and HOI 4. I'm talking about EU 4. EU 4 is more suitable for this RP.

Or HoI3 or EUIII, or every single Paradox Plaza game.....

[Atrilan]

No. The person that has the war declared upon it is the war leader, so Veneto is the war leader. You can attempt to ally with Veneto if you want to join in.

In EVERY Paradox Game the most powerful country in a faction is the war leader. So, if this RP worked like EUIV, which is a Paradox Game, then Serbia should be the war leader...

Join into that war and you get banned, I don't have the patience to deal with irritating twits such as how you're acting now.

As I said before, I am waiting for Entitaria's opinion on this, as it is Entitaria who controls Slovenia.
Anyways, I am waiting for an actual point beside "You can't because Serbia has not been declared war upon"...

The point is that Entitaria and I discussed shit like this six months ago, and agreed that allies of allies of defendants cannot enter in. No need to wait for Entitaria, I'm telling you this now.