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Turkacia
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Postby Turkacia » Mon May 01, 2017 11:15 pm

New Rnclave wrote:
Atrilan wrote:Huh... That sounds like an interesting plan. You could also react to Andalusia (They got a new name but I can't spell it) invading the Antilles.


I figure the way it's been described to me, there's too much animosity in the Latin America for the United States to reliably occupy them or keep them allied with us like it is.

So a better option would be to break up old cultural borders, and restructure Latin America while bringing it firmly into the US sphere with modernization projects and the likes.

And yeah, I probably should do that.

Mmmh.... Good luck. You will have to militarise first, the current state the US Army is in cannot reliably fight Pramilandert's after you downsized the US Army considerably. Although you can certainly beat me in military and economic aspects, I'd like to warn you that effectively sphering Latin America isn't going to go all according to plan, with you being so close to the KCZ heartland and all. We took the Antilles by the way, so we might even have a nuclear stand off in the Bahamas ;)

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Pacificora
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Postby Pacificora » Mon May 01, 2017 11:19 pm

Turkacia wrote:
New Rnclave wrote:
I figure the way it's been described to me, there's too much animosity in the Latin America for the United States to reliably occupy them or keep them allied with us like it is.

So a better option would be to break up old cultural borders, and restructure Latin America while bringing it firmly into the US sphere with modernization projects and the likes.

And yeah, I probably should do that.

Mmmh.... Good luck. You will have to militarise first, the current state the US Army is in cannot reliably fight Pramilandert's after you downsized the US Army considerably. Although you can certainly beat me in military and economic aspects, I'd like to warn you that effectively sphering Latin America isn't going to go all according to plan, with you being so close to the KCZ heartland and all. We took the Antilles by the way, so we might even have a nuclear stand off in the Bahamas ;)

You are aware that you aren't invading the Bahamas...

And do you know how much infamy you are gathering up?
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Capital - Pala
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Swedish Allied States
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Postby Swedish Allied States » Tue May 02, 2017 4:32 am

Pacificora wrote:
Turkacia wrote:Mmmh.... Good luck. You will have to militarise first, the current state the US Army is in cannot reliably fight Pramilandert's after you downsized the US Army considerably. Although you can certainly beat me in military and economic aspects, I'd like to warn you that effectively sphering Latin America isn't going to go all according to plan, with you being so close to the KCZ heartland and all. We took the Antilles by the way, so we might even have a nuclear stand off in the Bahamas ;)

You are aware that you aren't invading the Bahamas...

And do you know how much infamy you are gathering up?

It's gonna build up to the point when it explodes, South America might never wish for another empire like Andalusia again. Or the USA will expand during that time when it collapses from civil war and then the rest of the world secretly cheers while us Aussies will break out the champagne and smash ourselves like it's no tomorrow.
Well we are Socialist Democrats and we have Filthy Frank. Nation's Motto In Full: "Because of You, We'll Fight And Some Will Die... Because of You, We'll Always Try...

Oh and we might be a bit loony so don't mind us if something's out of place.
Also current leaders that are in control of Sweden are
Male: David Mitchell
Female: Michelle Connors
The Proud Leader Of The Earth Defense Force
Allies: Illuminati Of Asia, Orostan, Wasabiton
Enemies: Eclius, NUC

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Swedish Allied States
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Postby Swedish Allied States » Tue May 02, 2017 4:33 am

Also, please post soon so I can actually develop my post. In the meantime, I will continue work on my RP. I NEED MAH FOCUS! DON'T DISTURB ME...
Well we are Socialist Democrats and we have Filthy Frank. Nation's Motto In Full: "Because of You, We'll Fight And Some Will Die... Because of You, We'll Always Try...

Oh and we might be a bit loony so don't mind us if something's out of place.
Also current leaders that are in control of Sweden are
Male: David Mitchell
Female: Michelle Connors
The Proud Leader Of The Earth Defense Force
Allies: Illuminati Of Asia, Orostan, Wasabiton
Enemies: Eclius, NUC

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Germaustia
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Postby Germaustia » Tue May 02, 2017 5:12 am

Swedish Allied States wrote:Also, please post soon so I can actually develop my post. In the meantime, I will continue work on my RP. I NEED MAH FOCUS! DON'T DISTURB ME...

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I side with Republicans most of the time.
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Shadow Guard
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Postby Shadow Guard » Tue May 02, 2017 6:57 am

Entitaria wrote:A few of you need to post soon

I need to get my research settled up.
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Swedish Allied States
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Postby Swedish Allied States » Tue May 02, 2017 7:08 am

Germaustia wrote:
Swedish Allied States wrote:Also, please post soon so I can actually develop my post. In the meantime, I will continue work on my RP. I NEED MAH FOCUS! DON'T DISTURB ME...

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HOW YOU LIKE ME NOW?! I'm almost finished with the backstory and I need to focus! The lore is almost complete! I can't lose now...
Well we are Socialist Democrats and we have Filthy Frank. Nation's Motto In Full: "Because of You, We'll Fight And Some Will Die... Because of You, We'll Always Try...

Oh and we might be a bit loony so don't mind us if something's out of place.
Also current leaders that are in control of Sweden are
Male: David Mitchell
Female: Michelle Connors
The Proud Leader Of The Earth Defense Force
Allies: Illuminati Of Asia, Orostan, Wasabiton
Enemies: Eclius, NUC

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Atrilan
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Founded: Mar 11, 2016
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Postby Atrilan » Tue May 02, 2017 7:48 am

Turkacia wrote:
New Rnclave wrote:
I figure the way it's been described to me, there's too much animosity in the Latin America for the United States to reliably occupy them or keep them allied with us like it is.

So a better option would be to break up old cultural borders, and restructure Latin America while bringing it firmly into the US sphere with modernization projects and the likes.

And yeah, I probably should do that.

Mmmh.... Good luck. You will have to militarise first, the current state the US Army is in cannot reliably fight Pramilandert's after you downsized the US Army considerably. Although you can certainly beat me in military and economic aspects, I'd like to warn you that effectively sphering Latin America isn't going to go all according to plan, with you being so close to the KCZ heartland and all. We took the Antilles by the way, so we might even have a nuclear stand off in the Bahamas ;)

You aren't attacking the Bahamas. He can sphere Latin America, you're not a direct threat to it unless you become agressive.
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Capital - Avlose
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THE TECHNOCRATIC STATE OF ATRILAN
COBALT NETWORK FOUNDER
Est. 2089
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New Rnclave
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Postby New Rnclave » Tue May 02, 2017 7:52 am

Atrilan wrote:
Turkacia wrote:Mmmh.... Good luck. You will have to militarise first, the current state the US Army is in cannot reliably fight Pramilandert's after you downsized the US Army considerably. Although you can certainly beat me in military and economic aspects, I'd like to warn you that effectively sphering Latin America isn't going to go all according to plan, with you being so close to the KCZ heartland and all. We took the Antilles by the way, so we might even have a nuclear stand off in the Bahamas ;)

You aren't attacking the Bahamas. He can sphere Latin America, you're not a direct threat to it unless you become agressive.


I don't really need to militarize to sphere all that area, build bases and shift the navy around, maybe.

And attacking the Bahamas kind of violates the Monroe doctrine, so not your best idea if you don't want you to have a real stand-off.
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I Think I Would Die of It.

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Swedish Allied States
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Postby Swedish Allied States » Tue May 02, 2017 7:57 am

New Rnclave wrote:
Atrilan wrote:You aren't attacking the Bahamas. He can sphere Latin America, you're not a direct threat to it unless you become agressive.


I don't really need to militarize to sphere all that area, build bases and shift the navy around, maybe.

And attacking the Bahamas kind of violates the Monroe doctrine, so not your best idea if you don't want you to have a real stand-off.

Standoffs are great for defense contractors. And so should manufacturing plants. They would make a FORTUNE off of producing this stuff for the kind of showdown.
Well we are Socialist Democrats and we have Filthy Frank. Nation's Motto In Full: "Because of You, We'll Fight And Some Will Die... Because of You, We'll Always Try...

Oh and we might be a bit loony so don't mind us if something's out of place.
Also current leaders that are in control of Sweden are
Male: David Mitchell
Female: Michelle Connors
The Proud Leader Of The Earth Defense Force
Allies: Illuminati Of Asia, Orostan, Wasabiton
Enemies: Eclius, NUC

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Turkacia
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Founded: Jan 28, 2017
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Postby Turkacia » Tue May 02, 2017 8:27 am

Atrilan wrote:
Turkacia wrote:Mmmh.... Good luck. You will have to militarise first, the current state the US Army is in cannot reliably fight Pramilandert's after you downsized the US Army considerably. Although you can certainly beat me in military and economic aspects, I'd like to warn you that effectively sphering Latin America isn't going to go all according to plan, with you being so close to the KCZ heartland and all. We took the Antilles by the way, so we might even have a nuclear stand off in the Bahamas ;)

You aren't attacking the Bahamas. He can sphere Latin America, you're not a direct threat to it unless you become agressive.

I explicitly stated in my post when I began the Antilles invasion, Bahamas was included.

New Rnclave wrote:
Atrilan wrote:You aren't attacking the Bahamas. He can sphere Latin America, you're not a direct threat to it unless you become agressive.


I don't really need to militarize to sphere all that area, build bases and shift the navy around, maybe.

And attacking the Bahamas kind of violates the Monroe doctrine, so not your best idea if you don't want you to have a real stand-off.

You aren't exactly in the best shape at the moment, I'd actually love to steamroll you if I had my own nukes and my AMDS was ready...

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Turkacia
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Postby Turkacia » Tue May 02, 2017 8:29 am

Pacificora wrote:
Turkacia wrote:Mmmh.... Good luck. You will have to militarise first, the current state the US Army is in cannot reliably fight Pramilandert's after you downsized the US Army considerably. Although you can certainly beat me in military and economic aspects, I'd like to warn you that effectively sphering Latin America isn't going to go all according to plan, with you being so close to the KCZ heartland and all. We took the Antilles by the way, so we might even have a nuclear stand off in the Bahamas ;)

You are aware that you aren't invading the Bahamas...

And do you know how much infamy you are gathering up?

That's because of the old infamy system, which was quite frankly, horrible. Besides, a civil war will not spark as long as there is no real disturbance to the citizenry.

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New Rnclave
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Postby New Rnclave » Tue May 02, 2017 8:51 am

Turkacia wrote:
Atrilan wrote:You aren't attacking the Bahamas. He can sphere Latin America, you're not a direct threat to it unless you become agressive.

I explicitly stated in my post when I began the Antilles invasion, Bahamas was included.

New Rnclave wrote:
I don't really need to militarize to sphere all that area, build bases and shift the navy around, maybe.

And attacking the Bahamas kind of violates the Monroe doctrine, so not your best idea if you don't want you to have a real stand-off.

You aren't exactly in the best shape at the moment, I'd actually love to steamroll you if I had my own nukes and my AMDS was ready...


Where are you getting that I'm not in good shape? I may have scaled back and reduced funding, but the US military is still the dominant force in the Western Hemisphere, let alone if we reactivated our kinetic weapons systems.

And even if I wasn't in good shape, the IDF is still backing me.
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Hate. HATE. Were I Human...
I Think I Would Die of It.

Beat it, Toots. These Streets Ain't What They Used to Be

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Turkacia
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Postby Turkacia » Tue May 02, 2017 8:56 am

New Rnclave wrote:
Turkacia wrote:I explicitly stated in my post when I began the Antilles invasion, Bahamas was included.


You aren't exactly in the best shape at the moment, I'd actually love to steamroll you if I had my own nukes and my AMDS was ready...


Where are you getting that I'm not in good shape? I may have scaled back and reduced funding, but the US military is still the dominant force in the Western Hemisphere, let alone if we reactivated our kinetic weapons systems.

And even if I wasn't in good shape, the IDF is still backing me.

I believe you may be overestimating yourself. What do you consider our military strength to be at?

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New Rnclave
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Postby New Rnclave » Tue May 02, 2017 8:59 am

Turkacia wrote:
New Rnclave wrote:
Where are you getting that I'm not in good shape? I may have scaled back and reduced funding, but the US military is still the dominant force in the Western Hemisphere, let alone if we reactivated our kinetic weapons systems.

And even if I wasn't in good shape, the IDF is still backing me.

I believe you may be overestimating yourself. What do you consider our military strength to be at?


I'm overestimating myself? Pot calling the kettle black huh?

And no idea dude. Probably around where it was last time I was here.
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Hate. HATE. Were I Human...
I Think I Would Die of It.

Beat it, Toots. These Streets Ain't What They Used to Be

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Entitaria
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Postby Entitaria » Tue May 02, 2017 9:28 am

Turkacia wrote:
New Rnclave wrote:
Where are you getting that I'm not in good shape? I may have scaled back and reduced funding, but the US military is still the dominant force in the Western Hemisphere, let alone if we reactivated our kinetic weapons systems.

And even if I wasn't in good shape, the IDF is still backing me.

I believe you may be overestimating yourself. What do you consider our military strength to be at?

You're both kinda overestimating yourselves. US is more focused on professional military than anything else. Andy, you're spending how much on each soldier?
Silence is bliss, you should try it.

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Postby Apror » Tue May 02, 2017 9:45 am

What's going on?
What I believe?
1. Christian
2. Pro-Life
3. Pro 1st Amendment
4. Pro Second Amendment
5. Pro Equality between all people.

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Turkacia
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Postby Turkacia » Tue May 02, 2017 10:15 am

Entitaria wrote:
Turkacia wrote:I believe you may be overestimating yourself. What do you consider our military strength to be at?

You're both kinda overestimating yourselves. US is more focused on professional military than anything else. Andy, you're spending how much on each soldier?

$30k for equipment, and $20k for professional pay.

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Khasinkonia
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Postby Khasinkonia » Tue May 02, 2017 10:17 am

New Rnclave wrote:
Turkacia wrote:I explicitly stated in my post when I began the Antilles invasion, Bahamas was included.


You aren't exactly in the best shape at the moment, I'd actually love to steamroll you if I had my own nukes and my AMDS was ready...


Where are you getting that I'm not in good shape? I may have scaled back and reduced funding, but the US military is still the dominant force in the Western Hemisphere, let alone if we reactivated our kinetic weapons systems.

And even if I wasn't in good shape, the IDF is still backing me.

India don't care.

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Swedish Allied States
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Founded: May 27, 2016
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Postby Swedish Allied States » Tue May 02, 2017 10:32 am

Khasinkonia wrote:
New Rnclave wrote:
Where are you getting that I'm not in good shape? I may have scaled back and reduced funding, but the US military is still the dominant force in the Western Hemisphere, let alone if we reactivated our kinetic weapons systems.

And even if I wasn't in good shape, the IDF is still backing me.

India don't care.

Oceania don't care either. Imma just sit back and watch some men fight emus for fun.
Well we are Socialist Democrats and we have Filthy Frank. Nation's Motto In Full: "Because of You, We'll Fight And Some Will Die... Because of You, We'll Always Try...

Oh and we might be a bit loony so don't mind us if something's out of place.
Also current leaders that are in control of Sweden are
Male: David Mitchell
Female: Michelle Connors
The Proud Leader Of The Earth Defense Force
Allies: Illuminati Of Asia, Orostan, Wasabiton
Enemies: Eclius, NUC

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Left-wing Utopia

Postby New Rnclave » Tue May 02, 2017 10:33 am

Khasinkonia wrote:
New Rnclave wrote:
Where are you getting that I'm not in good shape? I may have scaled back and reduced funding, but the US military is still the dominant force in the Western Hemisphere, let alone if we reactivated our kinetic weapons systems.

And even if I wasn't in good shape, the IDF is still backing me.

India don't care.


Cool?
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I Think I Would Die of It.

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Atrilan
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Postby Atrilan » Tue May 02, 2017 10:35 am

Turkacia wrote:
Entitaria wrote:You're both kinda overestimating yourselves. US is more focused on professional military than anything else. Andy, you're spending how much on each soldier?

$30k for equipment, and $20k for professional pay.

I just did the math, you're spending more than your military budget on soldiers... Dear god your army is so weak.
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Population - 73,892,891
Currency - Credit (₡)
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THE TECHNOCRATIC STATE OF ATRILAN
COBALT NETWORK FOUNDER
Est. 2089
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Turkacia
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Postby Turkacia » Tue May 02, 2017 10:44 am

Atrilan wrote:
Turkacia wrote:$30k for equipment, and $20k for professional pay.

I just did the math, you're spending more than your military budget on soldiers... Dear god your army is so weak.

I said for equipment. That includes vehicles, guns, helmets, uniforms and provisions and the like. This is also a value which is spread across all soldiers, excluding non-combatants (800k soldiers), and janissaries (700k) do not receive pay.

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Atrilan
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Postby Atrilan » Tue May 02, 2017 11:31 am

Turkacia wrote:
Atrilan wrote:I just did the math, you're spending more than your military budget on soldiers... Dear god your army is so weak.

I said for equipment. That includes vehicles, guns, helmets, uniforms and provisions and the like. This is also a value which is spread across all soldiers, excluding non-combatants (800k soldiers), and janissaries (700k) do not receive pay.

Well, you still have to equip your Janissaries. Also, you have to worry about maintenance, pay, research and development, etc. Even if I completely exclude the non-combatants, and ignore the Janissaries pay (Why the hell aren't you paying them?) You get a total of $79,045,000,000 dollars spent on personnel alone.
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Leader - Antrinoxa Program
Capital - Avlose
Population - 73,892,891
Currency - Credit (₡)
Roleplay Information
2024: The Long Peace - People's Republic of China

THE TECHNOCRATIC STATE OF ATRILAN
COBALT NETWORK FOUNDER
Est. 2089
Post Modern

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Turkacia
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Founded: Jan 28, 2017
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Postby Turkacia » Tue May 02, 2017 11:37 am

Atrilan wrote:
Turkacia wrote:I said for equipment. That includes vehicles, guns, helmets, uniforms and provisions and the like. This is also a value which is spread across all soldiers, excluding non-combatants (800k soldiers), and janissaries (700k) do not receive pay.

Well, you still have to equip your Janissaries. Also, you have to worry about maintenance, pay, research and development, etc. Even if I completely exclude the non-combatants, and ignore the Janissaries pay (Why the hell aren't you paying them?) You get a total of $79,045,000,000 dollars spent on personnel alone.

You do realise that my military budget in total is £221 billion? I remain quite flexible still, and the Janissaries do not receive pay because they are servants of the monarch. Maintenance costs are covered elsewhere, in a further reform I will detail it. Building a country from the ground up is a very hard practice, especially with all the new administration I have to do. Remember, I do not spend all of this money annually, however the surplus goes towards Prahomija's own personal research projects, and other projects she selects as eligible for extra funding.

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