Imperium Aeternum [AH/OOC/OPEN]

[Nancivania]

Shinto is the largest religious group being practice by about 48% of the population. There's is also a small Buddhist community located mostly in Dragons Gate whom make up about 6% of the total population. The rest are mostly Native Folk Religions practiced by the Native Americans which construct about 45% of the population. The remaining 1% is just about anything else.

Are there any centers that make up the folk religion, like the frontiers of California's territory are folk and the inner parts are majority Shinto?

Folk Religion is mostly found inland and in the North-Western parts of the country. Shinto if found most heavily in the modern state of California

[Nancivania]

Can someone make a list of the most to least powerful countries? I mean, obviously Rome is #1 but after that it gets a bit foggy.

[Kerbodine]

Can someone make a list of the most to least powerful countries? I mean, obviously Rome is #1 but after that it gets a bit foggy.

I mean, it gets tricky of course, but in terms of being a global player it's probably
Rome
Byzantium
Germany
Japan
Scandinavia
Those seem to be the most industrialized and thus generally most powerful nations, and are who I'd consider 'Great Powers'- though Scandinavia's population limits its options somewhat, meaning that something like the Tang may be comparable to their actual power just due to a huge population. Regardless, basically these seem to be the only nations capable of projecting their power across the world (circumstantially).

Secondary Powers would perhaps go like this:
The Mongols
The Great Tang
Russia would likely go here
Poland-Ruthenia
New Rome
Nova Hatteria
Terra Austrum
Celtia?
I'm putting these guys in this category because they either are relatively well developed or have a significant enough economy to be a power of some sort within their region, and could project a small amount of international power.

Everyone else, unless I'm missing someone (I.e I don't know enough about California yet, they should be an underdeveloped colony from what I can tell), isn't properly on the world stage or is presumably underdeveloped to the extent they are barely a 'power', and could not project said power across the world.

[Kerbodine]

You know, it wouldn't be that difficult to roughly set this up in Victoria II (just as a map and with approximate tech and the like)... Hmmm, maybe if I have some spare time this weekend.

[Prusslandia]

Mongolia has been referred to as a major power quite a few times.

[Kerbodine]

Mongolia has been referred to as a major power quite a few times.

True, but I don't think they're exactly industrialized. I'll shift them to the top of the Secondary Powers list though, as they do seem pretty powerful.

In Vicky II, it's just always the top 8 nations that are 'Great Powers', so if you're going by that metric they'd still be a Great Power

[Prusslandia]

Mongolia has been referred to as a major power quite a few times.

True, but I don't think they're exactly industrialized. I'll shift them to the top of the Secondary Powers list though, as they do seem pretty powerful.

In Vicky II, it's just always the top 8 nations that are 'Great Powers', so if you're going by that metric they'd still be a Great Power

Militarily, Mongolia is on par with Rome and Byzantium, and are rapidly catching up tech wise as well, thanks to assurance from outside groups such as the Scandinavians.

[Sivio]

Wait, so what the hell happened to Orthodox? Because technically speaking, Catholicism split from Orthodox.

[The V O I D]

Wait, so what the hell happened to Orthodox? Because technically speaking, Catholicism split from Orthodox.

Um... what? Pretty sure they existed simultaneously until the East-West Schism.

That hasn't happened, yet. There is just 'the Catholic Church'. Today, there's the Roman Catholic Church / West Catholic Church vs the Orthodox Catholic Church / East Catholic Church.

Since an east-west schism hasn't happened, yet, that means there is only the "Catholic Church"; hell, some might simply just refer to it as "the Church."

[Nancivania]

Wait, so what the hell happened to Orthodox? Because technically speaking, Catholicism split from Orthodox.

Um... what? Pretty sure they existed simultaneously until the East-West Schism.

That hasn't happened, yet. There is just 'the Catholic Church'. Today, there's the Roman Catholic Church / West Catholic Church vs the Orthodox Catholic Church / East Catholic Church.

Since an east-west schism hasn't happened, yet, that means there is only the "Catholic Church"; hell, some might simply just refer to it as "the Church."

Meanwhile in California:

"What is an "Pope", sounds like a food you would put on a stick."

[The Valyria Empire]

The major Catholic Schism didn't happen until Charlemagne was crowned Holy Roman Emperor. The Byzantine Emperor was not too happy and since the Emperor wanted to be in charge of the church led to the Orthodox/Catholic split.

Since In this timeline the Roman Empire never fell thus the HRE never formed the final nail in the coffin that would lead to the formation of the Orthodox Church never happened.

[The V O I D]

The major Catholic Schism didn't happen until Charlemagne was crowned Holy Roman Emperor. The Byzantine Emperor was not too happy and since the Emperor wanted to be in charge of the church led to the Orthodox/Catholic split.

Since In this timeline the Roman Empire never fell thus the HRE never formed the final nail in the coffin that would lead to the formation of the Orthodox Church never happened.

That, too. So, really, there's only "the Church"/"the Catholic Church", as a Roman/West-Orthodox/East Catholic split never occurred.

[Kerbodine]

Militarily, Mongolia is on par with Rome and Byzantium, and are rapidly catching up tech wise as well, thanks to assurance from outside groups such as the Scandinavians.

But I don't think Mongolia is a world power. Like, it doesn't seem like the Mongols fit the (rather loose) definition of a 'great power':
"A great power is a sovereign state that is recognized as having the ability and expertise to exert its influence on a global scale."
I don't think Mongolia has a great navy or tends to initiate major trade deals, and, at least for now, its tech level seems to be fairly significantly behind the other nations I'm considering Great Powers.
Secondary powers can still be rather powerful, and if Mongolia continues on the track it's on, it could rapidly surpass Scandinavia as the fifth Great Power.

[Prusslandia]

Militarily, Mongolia is on par with Rome and Byzantium, and are rapidly catching up tech wise as well, thanks to assurance from outside groups such as the Scandinavians.

But I don't think Mongolia is a world power. Like, it doesn't seem like the Mongols fit the (rather loose) definition of a 'great power':
"A great power is a sovereign state that is recognized as having the ability and expertise to exert its influence on a global scale."
I don't think Mongolia has a great navy or tends to initiate major trade deals, and, at least for now, its tech level seems to be fairly significantly behind the other nations I'm considering Great Powers.
Secondary powers can still be rather powerful, and if Mongolia continues on the track it's on, it could rapidly surpass Scandinavia as the fifth Great Power.

This is a kinda weird system, but I digress. Economically, Mongolia isn't the highest- It only leads the slave trade, as well as raw resources such as iron and coal.

Though, if we're doing global reach, there should be listings for technological superiority, military superiority, the basics. Population as well, though the top spot of that would obviously be the Tang.

[Kerbodine]

This is a kinda weird system, but I digress. Economically, Mongolia isn't the highest- It only leads the slave trade, as well as raw resources such as iron and coal.

Yeah, it is weird system.

Though, if we're doing global reach, there should be listings for technological superiority, military superiority, the basics. Population as well, though the top spot of that would obviously be the Tang.

Victoria II (a wonderful 1836-1936 Paradox grand strategy game) defines Great Power as the top 8 nations, and scores them in military (which includes land and navy, and the tech levels/powers of each), industry (basically economy), and prestige (various things like winning wars, having a large sphere of influence, and events like discovering things or hosting a world's fair). By that system, it's quite likely Mongolia would get into the Top 8 by way of essentially military alone; it does seem like Mongolia is definitely mid top 8 in that system.

It's a really loose definition though, but I'm going to stick with emphasizing ability to apply themselves economically. Besides, it's just my opinion- someone else could easily define you as a Great Power.

[Prusslandia]

At least Mongolia is top 3 militarily, battling for 2# with Byzantium.

After all, a heavily regimented military can only do so much against a highly mobile, numerically superior force.

Also, food for thought- If Mongolia loses the upcoming war, it will turn into a mixture of Vietnam and Iraq for any invaders/occupiers.

[Nancivania]

At least Mongolia is top 3 militarily, battling for 2# with Byzantium.

After all, a heavily regimented military can only do so much against a highly mobile, numerically superior force.

Also, food for thought- If Mongolia loses the upcoming war, it will turn into a mixture of Vietnam and Iraq for any invaders/occupiers.

Upcoming war? Hopefully Mongolia does not invade Japan, I kinda rely on them for my economy...

[Kerbodine]

At least Mongolia is top 3 militarily, battling for 2# with Byzantium.

After all, a heavily regimented military can only do so much against a highly mobile, numerically superior force.

Also, food for thought- If Mongolia loses the upcoming war, it will turn into a mixture of Vietnam and Iraq for any invaders/occupiers.

Military pop. of 4.5 million, holy guacamole; yeah, at least in terms of land military, you're probs top 3.

[Prusslandia]

At least Mongolia is top 3 militarily, battling for 2# with Byzantium.

After all, a heavily regimented military can only do so much against a highly mobile, numerically superior force.

Also, food for thought- If Mongolia loses the upcoming war, it will turn into a mixture of Vietnam and Iraq for any invaders/occupiers.

Military pop. of 4.5 million, holy guacamole; yeah, at least in terms of land military, you're probs top 3.

Yup. Navy is probably 4 or 5; I'd place the Khan at roughly the same place as the Tang, or one of the smaller European powers.

[Nancivania]

Military pop. of 4.5 million, holy guacamole; yeah, at least in terms of land military, you're probs top 3.

Yup. Navy is probably 4 or 5; I'd place the Khan at roughly the same place as the Tang, or one of the smaller European powers.

Can I just say that "Tang" reminds me of a brand of orange juice mix?

[The Frozen Forest]

Yup. Navy is probably 4 or 5; I'd place the Khan at roughly the same place as the Tang, or one of the smaller European powers.

Can I just say that "Tang" reminds me of a brand of orange juice mix?

There actually is a drink mix called tang. I've had it before, not very good but that's just my opinion.

[Nancivania]

Can I just say that "Tang" reminds me of a brand of orange juice mix?

There actually is a drink mix called tang. I've had it before, not very good but that's just my opinion.

Same: http://bayanistore.com/images/detailed/1/234.jpg

[Kerbodine]

Can I just say that "Tang" reminds me of a brand of orange juice mix?

There actually is a drink mix called tang. I've had it before, not very good but that's just my opinion.

Tang, chosen by astronauts everywhere!

My dad liked Tang as a kid (probably thanks to those space ads), and brought that liking of it upon me. Great for camping trips, but I have to admit I wouldn't drink it during everyday life.

[Pimps Inc]

I'm working on a response to Rome right now.

[Nancivania]

BOOM 1000th post!