Imperium Aeternum [AH/OOC/OPEN]

[New Communist and Socialist Unions]

Maybe I could have a Siberian State... Filled with Finno-Ugric peeps...

I don't even think we have a proper Russia if you want to get in on that.

What do you mean???

[Plzen]

What do you mean???

We don't have anyone playing Russia, so you can take that if you please.

[New Communist and Socialist Unions]

What do you mean???

We don't have anyone playing Russia, so you can take that if you please.

Then who is the TSARDOM?

[Plzen]

IC post up!

tl;dr: the Rigsdag debates social policy, campaigning for the 1840 General Elections begins, and a new naval base is established on northern Java.

Major and Secondary Political Parties in the Scandinavian Realm
Official Names and Common Call-Signs (if any)

Venstrereformpartiet (Reformet) - senior partner in coalition
Det Konservative Folkeparti (Konservative) - leader of the opposition
Skandinaviske Socialdemokratene (Sossarna) - junior partner in coalition
Antirevolutionæra Venstrepartiet (ARP) - opposition
Kristen Højre - opposition
Proletarisk Kampførbundet (Kommunisterne) - opposition
Nationalsocialistiske Folkeparti (Nationalsocialisterne) - opposition
Bondeførbundet - junior partner in coalition

[The V O I D]

We don't have anyone playing Russia, so you can take that if you please.

Then who is the TSARDOM?

No one. The Tsardom is a reserved pre-made nation for anyone willing to play it/app it.

[New Communist and Socialist Unions]

Then who is the TSARDOM?

No one. The Tsardom is a reserved pre-made nation for anyone willing to play it/app it.

Quack....
Quality Russia ere we go...

[New Communist and Socialist Unions]

Nation App - Imperium Aeternum:

Formal Nation Name: The Tsardom of Russia
Informal Nation Name: Russian Empire
Shortened Nation Name: Russia
Flag: You know the flag Russia
Coat of Arms/Other Symbols: You know the symbols of Russia
Government Type: Absolute Monarchy
Head of State: Tsar Ivan XV
Head of Government: Tsar Ivan XV
Population: 147,021,869
Capital: St. Petersburg
Location: On the map, include Siberia if possible.
Influence: None, we influence others, nobody influences us.
Military Population: 2.5% of whatever our population is.
History: (2 paragraphs, please.)
RP Example: In da sig
Imperium - DO NOT REMOVE

Immense WIP, this is just to reserve. Did some edits, give me my population please.

[Kerbodine]

IC post up!

tl;dr: the Rigsdag debates social policy, campaigning for the 1840 General Elections begins, and a new naval base is established on northern Java.

Major and Secondary Political Parties in the Scandinavian Realm
Official Names and Common Call-Signs (if any)

Venstrereformpartiet (Reformet) - senior partner in coalition
Det Konservative Folkeparti (Konservative) - leader of the opposition
Skandinaviske Socialdemokratene (Sossarna) - junior partner in coalition
Antirevolutionæra Venstrepartiet (ARP) - opposition
Kristen Højre - opposition
Proletarisk Kampførbundet (Kommunisterne) - opposition
Nationalsocialistiske Folkeparti (Nationalsocialisterne) - opposition
Bondeførbundet - junior partner in coalition

Well, Germania's next federal election isn't for another two years (takes place every five years, unless the Senate has a majority vote to run federal elections again- which has never happened-), but for now, here's the political parties in power:
Konservative Kirchepartei - 60% (conservative pro-status-quo, pro-clergy/Roman church)
Liberale Partei - 28% (liberal pro-democracy and basic economic interventionism, otherwise pro-status-quo)
Sozialisation Partei - 9% (basically traditional socialists; anti-Kaiser)
Radikale Arbeiterpartei - 1% (nationalist reactionary worker's party, anti-Rome)
Other- 2% (includes ethnic minority advocacy parties and various fringe parties)

(Each state [even the tiny ones] essentially gets electoral college style votes roughly based on population, and sets their own internal rules for federal voting. Notable systems: Universal male suffrage- Burgundy; limited male suffrage- Frisia, Frankbund, Lombardy; aristocratic voting only- Prussia; state republican voting [state government appoints federal representatives]- Saxony, Thuringia; universal suffrage- varied smaller states. Der Senat- the Senate- has the most federal power. The Reichstag, elected via a parliamentary system, has essentially no power and doesn't use what little it has [basically just occasionally deals with criminal law], and as such sees very low voter turnout [dominated by conservatives]. The Kaiser has limited powers as defined by a constitution, but can implement martial law 'in extreme emergencies'. In general, the federal government is relatively weak, though in the past century there's been a tendency to expand its powers.)

[Plzen]

-snip-

It looks like Germania's pretty soundly dominated by the conservative elements of society.

That is less true in Scandinavia. Reformet (with their liberal democratic, liberal capitalist ideology), Konservative (with their social-conservative, jingoistic ideology), and Sossarna (with their liberal democratic, socialist ideology) usually receive about a quarter of the votes and therefore a quarter of the seats each.

The last quarter is split between all the secondary parties. ARP is anarcho-capitalist, Kristen Højre is very socially-conservative and pro-clergy, Kommunisterne is revolutionary socialist, Nationalsocialisterne is a radical-nationalist, social-conservative, and jingoistic party, and Bondeførbundet is a socially conservative, liberal democratic party.

Usually coalitions in the National Assembly are formed by an alliance between two of the three major parties, but sometimes one major party gets the support of a bloc of minor parties and can form a majority that way. General elections are every 4 years, on the first Saturday of April.

I've already explained quite a bit about how the Scandinavian government functions IC, so I won't really mention it again here.

[The V O I D]

My post will come tonight or tomorrow now that I'm safe and sound at home.

I'm probably going to have to redo it as my current draft is a bit sloppy, so, expect it to possibly be short but neat.

[Kerbodine]

-snip-

It looks like Germania's pretty soundly dominated by the conservative elements of society.

Well, you've got to remember that not everyone gets to vote; about a third of the population of Germania lives in an area where the aristocracy/uppermost class of society basically decides the government (it's been working out alright, so there are no major revolutionary strains except possibly growing nationalism). Also, the Konservative Kirchepartei , while not the official party of the Church (Germania is *technically* secular), officially supports the Church, meaning that the large number of Germans that get their morals from the Church consider the Konservative Kirchepartei to be their top choice for that reason alone. It's like if the Catholic Church officially backed a political party today; most, if not all, Catholics would likely support that party.

The Liberale Partei would probably do better if things in Germany took a turn for the worse, actually, since they represent the opposition (presuming they didn't fail miserably with their interventionist policies, they would possibly become the new dominant party). However, for the past lifetime or so, Konservative status quo (economic laissez-faire) has seemed to work pretty well (and has worked to maintain its power), so even if possible in my eyes, to your average German the Konservatives are the cornerstone of the Federation.

The fringe parties, like the Sozialisation Partei (whose name is funny, because [I believe] it basically means 'party to be social [at]', just like 'socialization party', but I'm using it as a stand-in for proper Socialism- hey, I should make Karl Marx a politician lols) are relatively unpopular because most voters don't see a need to jump so far from what is known to work; that being said, if things go as I kinda half plan, the nationalist Radikale Arbeiterpartei will become a serious threat to the political establishment (wants to strengthen federal gov. and remove influence of Rome- support from lower classes from rhetoric and pro-industrial policies, support from middle class from cultural identity and economic growth, and support from upper class/aristocracy from strengthening their power [by removing the power of the Church and consolidating power to the Feds]). If the Second Reformation takes place, I plan to have the Radicals capitalize off it and go full culture-war. We'll see how all that works.

[Kerbodine]

My post will come tonight or tomorrow now that I'm safe and sound at home.

I'm probably going to have to redo it as my current draft is a bit sloppy, so, expect it to possibly be short but neat.

Good stuff, Void!
We need to get the Kaiser back to Germania, so if you wouldn't mind wrapping us up or setting us up to wrap up, unless you have anything else planned (though I'm not ready for an assassination or anything too exciting!), I think the Kaiser would inquire as to the most likely pick for the next Pope. Other than that it's just the usual affirmation of personal and political friendship.

[Plzen]

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Looks like the Radikale Arbeiterpartei in Germania shares a lot of similarities with the Scandinavian Nationalsocialistiske Folkeparti. State capitalism, nationalism, independence from Rome, and aggressive jingoism. Kulturkamp!

The Nationalsocialistiske Folkeparti is a pretty fringe party, though, and unless things go dramatically wrong they will stay a fringe party. I intend to use Proletarisk Kampførbundet (communist) and Antirevolutionæra Venstrepartiet (anarcho-capitalist) as my challengers to the status quo.

Oh, and they're also the party most interested in pressing Scandinavia's claims to Sydslesvig and Kiel, so... you probably want them to stay small, too.

[New Communist and Socialist Unions]

Nation App - Imperium Aeternum:

Formal Nation Name: The Tsardom of Russia
Informal Nation Name: Russian Empire
Shortened Nation Name: Russia
Flag: You know the flag Russia
Coat of Arms/Other Symbols: You know the symbols of Russia
Government Type: Absolute Monarchy
Head of State: Tsar Ivan XV
Head of Government: Tsar Ivan XV
Population: Can you give it to me?
Capital: St. Petersburg
Location: On the map, include Siberia if possible.
Influence: None, we influence others, nobody influences us.
Military Population: 2.5% of whatever our population is.
History: (2 paragraphs, please.)
RP Example: In da sig
Imperium - DO NOT REMOVE

Immense WIP, this is just to reserve. Did some edits, give me my population please.

Some edits, criticism please.

[Plzen]

Flag: You know the flag Russia
Coat of Arms/Other Symbols: You know the symbols of Russia
[...]
Population: Can you give it to me?

You're apping as Russia, not us. You are going to research and provide these, not us.

Location: On the map, include Siberia if possible.

Quite a bit of Siberia's in the Mongolian sphere of influence, so you'll have to get this approved by the chap playing Mongolia.

[New Communist and Socialist Unions]

Flag: You know the flag Russia
Coat of Arms/Other Symbols: You know the symbols of Russia
[...]
Population: Can you give it to me?

You're apping as Russia, not us. You are going to research and provide these, not us.

Location: On the map, include Siberia if possible.

Siberia's in the Mongolian sphere of influence, so you'll have to get this approved by the chap playing Mongolia.

Are we playing on strictly historical? If yes, I shall research. If AH, I do not know what to do.

[Plzen]

If AH, I do not know what to do.

Be creative and be reasonable. It's not hard to estimate an ahistorical population from your fictional history, nor is it particularly hard to design a fictional flag.

[New Communist and Socialist Unions]

If AH, I do not know what to do.

Be creative and be reasonable. It's not hard to estimate an ahistorical population from your fictional history, nor is it particularly hard to design a fictional flag.

500 million people?

[Kazarogkai]

Be creative and be reasonable. It's not hard to estimate an ahistorical population from your fictional history, nor is it particularly hard to design a fictional flag.

500 million people?

This site can probably help out.

http://www.populstat.info/

[Kerbodine]

-snip-

Looks like the Radikale Arbeiterpartei in Germania shares a lot of similarities with the Scandinavian Nationalsocialistiske Folkeparti. State capitalism, nationalism, independence from Rome, and aggressive jingoism. Kulturkamp!

The Nationalsocialistiske Folkeparti is a pretty fringe party, though, and unless things go dramatically wrong they will stay a fringe party. I intend to use Proletarisk Kampførbundet (communist) and Antirevolutionæra Venstrepartiet (anarcho-capitalist) as my challengers to the status quo.

Oh, and they're also the party most interested in pressing Scandinavia's claims to Sydslesvig and Kiel, so... you probably want them to stay small, too.

The RAP and RSFP do indeed look similar. Kulturkampf indeed!
And yeah, the RAP is really fringe in Germany too, though as suggested IC, the Central German states may begin to support them and there's a possibility of unexpectedly large support elsewhere, too.

I'm presuming the RSFP is the one most interested in jumping at Schleswig, in which case, good luck with that; Saxony, one of the biggest and most influential states in Germania, is also the home of the Kaiser and the state most likely to unite all of Germania in the case of war. Regardless, if there were border tension, it could be interesting (...and boost the RAP who I secretly think are fun), so in a strictly OOC sense that could be fun.

As to commies and ancaps, both are extremely fringe in Germania and likely wouldn't begin to enter the mainstream in a national party without another nation (*cough Sweden cough*) going that way and becoming extremely influential under a revolutionary system.

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Be creative and be reasonable. It's not hard to estimate an ahistorical population from your fictional history, nor is it particularly hard to design a fictional flag.

500 million people?

Lol.

Though this is definitely an alternative history, you can estimate population stats from the area you control; I'd use stats from somewhere between 1850-1910. Stats for much of Russian territory are really just guesses, but they'll be pretty useful, you've just got to figure out what the population of just the area you control was.

I'm going to give you a tossout number of 'somewhere between 40-90 millon'- you'll have to look up historical information to get an actually useful number. You're missing Poland, Belarus, the Baltic states, your Southwestern stuff, most of Ukraine, and the Caucuses, many of which were some of the most heavily populated parts of the Russian Empire. (You can add what's left of Finland and Northern Russia that's unoccupied on the map, though their population is likely near negligible.)

[Plzen]

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Q: Mr. Axel Carlson, would you please comment on your Party's stance towards what is now known as the Sydslesvig Question?

A: There is very little to be said about the Sydslesvig Question that is not completely obvious to the enlightened Scandinavian people. But for the benefit of the idiotic and short-sighted so-called "statesmen" that grips Saxon politics today, let me spend some time in explaining that which is obvious.

First, some history. In the Middle Ages, the political entity which we now call Germania came into existence through the conquest of a certain coalition of Germanic tribes by another, more hostile and belligerent coalition of Germanic tribes. It is only by the twist of fate that the Scandinavian peoples were spared this conquest and subsequent oppression. Under this damnable slogan of "German unity," a political abomination was created in Central Europe by a few insane idiots that called themselves kings; without regard to the origins of the tribes, their cultural differences and national desires, this large region was forcibly integrated and subsumed to the Germanic idea. To this arbitrary act, Germania owes everything - including its very existence!

The German Federation thus exists on a lie: that there exists such a thing as a German nation. The Saxons, with their natural disposition towards deception, assured the Romans that there was in fact a German nation inhabited by a German people. They had to invent this fantasy to colour in a larger chunk of the map as their own to justify the status that they demanded that all Europe give them. The Roman Emperors of the time, who have never been particularly well-educated in matters north of the Rhine, evidently never bothered to investigate this fantasy created by the Saxon "kings," for if they had, they would have immediately discovered that there is, in fact, no such thing as a German nation. There are Prussians, Bavarians, Pomeranians, and many other nations, none of which want anything to do with Saxony or each other! Indeed, any man remotely versed in culture north of the Rhine would soon realise that the Saxon and the Prussian has no more to do with each other than the Scandinavian does with the Pomeranian. Yet the Saxons, under the rule of power-hungry madmen, aggressively annexed the Germanic tribes of Central Europe. Since this didn't satisfy their lust for power and wealth, they had to expel the Polish nation from their rightful homeland and claim that land too.

I cannot stress enough that it was nothing beyond sheer good luck that the madmen of Saxony never thought our northern lands worth stealing. To that luck we now owe our freedom and independence.

This is the state that now calls itself the German Federation - a political joke, in other words, with no basis on any sensible geographical, cultural, or economic reality.

These centuries of forcible assimilation and oppression shows one thing very clearly: the Saxon madmen were determined to gradually wipe out the identity of the subsumed tribes. They have deprived millions of people not only of their statehood, but of their nationhood. They have now succeeded in making these millions of people compliant, unprotected from the depredation and terror of the Saxon regime, deprived of their rights.

That, still, was not enough to satisfy the Saxon's lust for power. This state, which is controlled by a belligerent minority, forces its constituent nationalities to accept orders which might one day compel them to shoot at men of their own nationality in the adjacent countries.

The Kaiser insists to the men of Slesvig: "If I wage war against Scandinavia, you will shoot at your compatriots across the border, or you shall be a traitor and will yourself be shot."

Is there any greater injustice than to order foreign people to shoot at their own compatriots, only because a degenerate and oppressive governmental regime demands it? But anybody that resists the Saxons is destroyed.

For centuries, the Scandinavian nation have just had to accept this unacceptable. Not because it is a tolerable situation, but because the Saxons have subjugated too many peoples for us to compete. But this must now come to an end.

Should the rightful and dignified Scandinavian people elect our party into the Rigsdag, I assure you that there will be a change at least in the lives of the Angles - which any man knows is more affiliated with the Scandinavian than the Saxon - and hopefully also to all the other suppressed nationalities in the abomination that is Germania.

Enough is enough! Scandinavia, will you stand for justice in Europe? Will you stand for a true peace north of the Rhine? Will you, in short, stand with us?

- Axel Carlson (leader of the Nationalsocialistiske Folkeparti), Norrkøping Rally, 14 March 1840.

[Kerbodine]

-snip-

Q: Mr. Axel Carlson, would you please comment on your Party's stance towards what is now known as the Sydslesvig Question?

A: There is very little to be said about the Sydslesvig Question that is not completely obvious to the enlightened Scandinavian people. But for the benefit of the idiotic and short-sighted so-called "statesmen" that grips Saxon politics today, let me spend some time in explaining that which is obvious.

First, some history. In the Middle Ages, the political entity which we now call Germania came into existence through the conquest of a certain coalition of Germanic tribes by another, more hostile and belligerent coalition of Germanic tribes. It is only by the twist of fate that the Scandinavian peoples were spared this conquest and subsequent oppression. Under this damnable slogan of "German unity," a political abomination was created in Central Europe by a few insane idiots that called themselves kings; without regard to the origins of the tribes, their cultural differences and national desires, this large region was forcibly integrated and subsumed to the Germanic idea. To this arbitrary act, Germania owes everything - including its very existence!

The German Federation thus exists on a lie: that there exists such a thing as a German nation. The Saxons, with their natural disposition towards deception, assured the Romans that there was in fact a German nation inhabited by a German people. They had to invent this fantasy to colour in a larger chunk of the map as their own to justify the status that they demanded that all Europe give them. The Roman Emperors of the time, who have never been particularly well-educated in matters north of the Rhine, evidently never bothered to investigate this fantasy created by the Saxon "kings," for if they had, they would have immediately discovered that there is, in fact, no such thing as a German nation. There are Prussians, Bavarians, Pomeranians, and many other nations, none of which want anything to do with Saxony or each other! Indeed, any man remotely versed in culture north of the Rhine would soon realise that the Saxon and the Prussian has no more to do with each other than the Scandinavian does with the Pomeranian. Yet the Saxons, under the rule of power-hungry madmen, aggressively annexed the Germanic tribes of Central Europe. Since this didn't satisfy their lust for power and wealth, they had to expel the Polish nation from their rightful homeland and claim that land too.

I cannot stress enough that it was nothing beyond sheer good luck that the madmen of Saxony never thought our northern lands worth stealing. To that luck we now owe our freedom and independence.

This is the state that now calls itself the German Federation - a political joke, in other words, with no basis on any sensible geographical, cultural, or economic reality.

These centuries of forcible assimilation and oppression shows one thing very clearly: the Saxon madmen were determined to gradually wipe out the identity of the subsumed tribes. They have deprived millions of people not only of their statehood, but of their nationhood. They have now succeeded in making these millions of people compliant, unprotected from the depredation and terror of the Saxon regime, deprived of their rights.

That, still, was not enough to satisfy the Saxon's lust for power. This state, which is controlled by a belligerent minority, forces its constituent nationalities to accept orders which might one day compel them to shoot at men of their own nationality in the adjacent countries.

The Kaiser insists to the men of Slesvig: "If I wage war against Scandinavia, you will shoot at your compatriots across the border, or you shall be a traitor and will yourself be shot."

Is there any greater injustice than to order foreign people to shoot at their own compatriots, only because a degenerate and oppressive governmental regime demands it? But anybody that resists the Saxons is destroyed.

For centuries, the Scandinavian nation have just had to accept this unacceptable. Not because it is a tolerable situation, but because the Saxons have subjugated too many peoples for us to compete. But this must now come to an end.

Should the rightful and dignified Scandinavian people elect our party into the Rigsdag, I assure you that there will be a change at least in the lives of the Angles - which any man knows is more affiliated with the Scandinavian than the Saxon - and hopefully also to all the other suppressed nationalities in the abomination that is Germania.

Enough is enough! Scandinavia, will you stand for justice in Europe? Will you stand for a true peace north of the Rhine? Will you, in short, stand with us?

- Axel Carlson (leader of the Nationalsocialistiske Folkeparti), Norrkøping Rally, 14 March 1840.

Forget what I said about lawyering a week or two ago, you should be a populist politician! ;P

It's unlikely Axel's German counterpart has heard of these guys, but I assure you if they were even aware of 'the Schleswig question' (which is hardly thought of at all, as de facto Schleswig has been German for centuries), they would be firmly in favor of maintaining German control of the region and basically make the exact same arguments, but in a positive light and portraying the Angles as German. Though generally not expansionist, a few members of the RAP might even claim Germany has a right to the rest of Jutland.

"Germany's borders thankfully reflect those roughly of that of the majority of German peoples; to the West, North, East and South lie hostile cultures that at the soonest opportunity would jump on us like so many wolves, but our internal States, from the dross of chaos, are beginning to recognise our commonalities. Germans living abroad, though many follow our values, many also have succumbed to our neighboring cultures. Here at home, however, we have a fighting chance to become great! Through unity, strength and freedom for all Germans- that must be our creed and mission! Forwards, brothers, to unity!"
-Von Adler, in the March 1840 RAP internal party pamphlet

[The V O I D]

IC Post coming this evening, promise.

[Kerbodine]

-snip, weird copied post-

[Plzen]

Forget what I said about lawyering a week or two ago, you should be a populist politician! ;P

Most of it isn't my own work. I just adapted a couple RL fascist speeches to fit the RP's situation.

This is what Scandinavia looks like, culturally. Scandinavian and Finnish are the two official languages of the Scandinavian Realm. It is expected that all citizens and permanent residents acquire fluency in at least one of those two official languages, which can be somewhat problematic for the minority populations of the Realm.

EDIT: snipped because updated. See page 38.