Imperium Aeternum [AH/OOC/OPEN]

[The V O I D]

IC post can't be finished right now; have to do some last-minute packing.

It'll be posted this evening maybe, hopefully. I'm really sorry guys; kinda hectic for the holidays.

[Plzen]

Same here. The holidays have disrupted my daily routine and thereby crashed my productivity.

I'll try to get a couple of IC posts up before I go back home in early January, but don't count on it.

[Plzen]

I think in the end, a global trade map for this RP would be pretty simple. Divide countries into three. Civilised countries, with industrialised economies and advanced infrastructure. Uncivilised countries, which do not have significant industry and holds an artisan-based agrarian economy. Primitive nations, which aren't connected to the global trade network for either geographical (don't have ports) or political (isolation) reasons.

Uncivilised nations will sell raw resources to civilised nations (including Japan here). These will usually be sea routes.

Civilised nations will sell trade goods (such as manufactured luxury goods) to uncivilised nations. These will usually also be sea routes.

Civilised nations will trade intermediate products (such as chemicals and components) and consumer goods (such as canned food and furniture) with each other. These will usually be railroads, with sea routes only being used where railroads can't be used.

Trade between uncivilised nations will be pretty negligible, and what little there is will usually be luxury products (such as jewellery or cacao) between neighbours.

Primitive nations will have negligible trade volume, and what little there is will be with neighbours.

[Animalian Territories]

I think in the end, a global trade map for this RP would be pretty simple. Divide countries into three. Civilised countries, with industrialised economies and advanced infrastructure. Uncivilised countries, which do not have significant industry and holds an artisan-based agrarian economy. Primitive nations, which aren't connected to the global trade network for either geographical (don't have ports) or political (isolation) reasons.

Uncivilised nations will sell raw resources to civilised nations (including Japan here). These will usually be sea routes.

Civilised nations will sell trade goods (such as manufactured luxury goods) to uncivilised nations. These will usually also be sea routes.

Civilised nations will trade intermediate products (such as chemicals and components) and consumer goods (such as canned food and furniture) with each other. These will usually be railroads, with sea routes only being used where railroads can't be used.

Trade between uncivilised nations will be pretty negligible, and what little there is will usually be luxury products (such as jewellery or cacao) between neighbours.

Primitive nations will have negligible trade volume, and what little there is will be with neighbours.

Would Celtica be considered civilized or noncivilized

[Pacificora]

I think in the end, a global trade map for this RP would be pretty simple. Divide countries into three. Civilised countries, with industrialised economies and advanced infrastructure. Uncivilised countries, which do not have significant industry and holds an artisan-based agrarian economy. Primitive nations, which aren't connected to the global trade network for either geographical (don't have ports) or political (isolation) reasons.

Uncivilised nations will sell raw resources to civilised nations (including Japan here). These will usually be sea routes.

Civilised nations will sell trade goods (such as manufactured luxury goods) to uncivilised nations. These will usually also be sea routes.

Civilised nations will trade intermediate products (such as chemicals and components) and consumer goods (such as canned food and furniture) with each other. These will usually be railroads, with sea routes only being used where railroads can't be used.

Trade between uncivilised nations will be pretty negligible, and what little there is will usually be luxury products (such as jewellery or cacao) between neighbours.

Primitive nations will have negligible trade volume, and what little there is will be with neighbours.

Would Celtica be considered civilized or noncivilized

Same question regarding Terra Austrum

[Kerbodine]

Would Celtica be considered civilized or noncivilized

Same question regarding Terra Austrum

A valid question. I'd guess Celtia and most colonies would fall somewhere in between, leaning towards (for the purposes of simplification) 'uncivilized'.

I'm obviously not the person to come up with this system, but I'd say an important hallmark of 'civilized' is the ability to construct/maintain methods of international transportation that are capable of being economically competitive.
Though it seems both Celtia and Terra Austrum are 'modernized', I think it's safe to say that, much like in real life a century or two ago, even developed but secondary nations wouldn't in any way dominate the international market. Your industry and domestic shipbuilding are both probably a decade or two behind the top powers of the world, meaning that while you trade internationally, you largely only rely on or trade with Great Powers on a world scale, though you certainly trade with your neighbors on your own accord.

For example, Terra Austrum has access to a lot of valuable resources. It's fair to say that a country like Germany, with modern steamships and access to a global trade network, probably has companies that ship things like rubber back to Germany. They probably also sell you machinery or processed goods. On the other hand, Poland-Ruthenia, Germania's neighbor, while modernized to some degree, doesn't seem to have the ability to trade with a country on the other side of the world on a large scale.

Celtia and Terra Austrum seem to be in the same boat: they trade over vast distances with other nations that have the capability, but probably only trade within their immediate region autonomously.

I'd give the both of you an 'uncivilized, but not far behind' (though I think Celtia ought to be less developed then they seem to be without any explanation for how they've caught up with the rest of Europe; perhaps working with Scandinavian/German companies or something).

[Khasinkonia]

I think in the end, a global trade map for this RP would be pretty simple. Divide countries into three. Civilised countries, with industrialised economies and advanced infrastructure. Uncivilised countries, which do not have significant industry and holds an artisan-based agrarian economy. Primitive nations, which aren't connected to the global trade network for either geographical (don't have ports) or political (isolation) reasons.

Uncivilised nations will sell raw resources to civilised nations (including Japan here). These will usually be sea routes.

Civilised nations will sell trade goods (such as manufactured luxury goods) to uncivilised nations. These will usually also be sea routes.

Civilised nations will trade intermediate products (such as chemicals and components) and consumer goods (such as canned food and furniture) with each other. These will usually be railroads, with sea routes only being used where railroads can't be used.

Trade between uncivilised nations will be pretty negligible, and what little there is will usually be luxury products (such as jewellery or cacao) between neighbours.

Primitive nations will have negligible trade volume, and what little there is will be with neighbours.

Japan is civilised!

[Kerbodine]

...Uncivilised nations will sell raw resources to civilised nations (including Japan here). These will usually be sea routes...

Japan is civilised!

Let me apply some exaggerated punctuation to show what I think he meant:

Uncivilized nations will sell raw resources to civilized nations- including Japan- usually by sea.

I interpreted it as yes, Japan is a developed enough economy to fall into the 'civilized' category of trade.

[Pimps Inc]

I'm just waiting to open trade routes with the world.
We got chocolate, gold, silver, obsidian, telescopes, maize, tomatoes, potatoes, vanilla, rubber, tobacco, turkey, avocado, berries, cotton, pulque.

[The V O I D]

So I'm safe and sound at my destination and shall continue working on an IC post, but am unsure if I shall get it up tonight.

[Plzen]

I'm obviously not the person to come up with this system, but I'd say an important hallmark of 'civilized' is the ability to construct/maintain methods of international transportation that are capable of being economically competitive.

As the person that came up with this system, I see that there is some slight error in interpretation.

For the purposes of trade, "civilised" means having an industrial sector that is large enough to consume more natural resources than what can be produced domestically.

So Japan (with quite a bit of industry and not very much in the way of natural resources) counts as civilised whereas Terra Astrum (with a lot of natural resources) counts as uncivilised, even though Terra Astrum is otherwise much more developed than Japan is.

[Kazarogkai]

I'm just waiting to open trade routes with the world.
We got chocolate, gold, silver, obsidian, telescopes, maize, tomatoes, potatoes, vanilla, rubber, tobacco, turkey, avocado, berries, cotton, pulque.

From what I remember the aztecs had neither potatoes nor turkeys. Though I could see you gaining access to turkey's eventually maybe potatoes are less likely owing to the fact that they would be of limited use in a tropical region being more of a temperate crop. Potatoes though by no means dryland crops still don't do so hot in super wet areas(disease, rot, etc) like much of southern mesoamerica.

On the otherhand rice would be very useful if you were to gain access to it. you could probably get it from the Akan in exchange for that nifty chocolate you got there.

[The V O I D]

Must apologize again for not posting... I might be unable to until my return home, depending on how things work out.

[Plzen]

[...] maybe potatoes are less likely owing to the fact that they would be of limited use in a tropical region being more of a temperate crop. [...]

Potatoes grow super well in land that is a bit cold and dry. It's probably the single largest factor in the rise of Germany as a European power.

[Pimps Inc]

I'm just waiting to open trade routes with the world.
We got chocolate, gold, silver, obsidian, telescopes, maize, tomatoes, potatoes, vanilla, rubber, tobacco, turkey, avocado, berries, cotton, pulque.

From what I remember the aztecs had neither potatoes nor turkeys. Though I could see you gaining access to turkey's eventually maybe potatoes are less likely owing to the fact that they would be of limited use in a tropical region being more of a temperate crop. Potatoes though by no means dryland crops still don't do so hot in super wet areas(disease, rot, etc) like much of southern mesoamerica.

On the otherhand rice would be very useful if you were to gain access to it. you could probably get it from the Akan in exchange for that nifty chocolate you got there.

I think I meant sweet potatoes, but even then, we have established trade links with the Inca. Our merchants probably came into contact with potatoes. The Aztecs had turkeys for special occasions.

[Kerbodine]

[...] maybe potatoes are less likely owing to the fact that they would be of limited use in a tropical region being more of a temperate crop. [...]

Potatoes grow super well in land that is a bit cold and dry. It's probably the single largest factor in the rise of Germany as a European power.

Hmm, that's an interesting point. If the Spanish hadn't spread potatoes through Europe when they did, Germany's population likely would've grown more slowly than it historically did in the early-middle Modern period.
Eh, Ima gloss over that in this RP. It's quite likely potatoes were eventually spread throughout Europe anyway, with there being various Roman colonies, so I think it's safe to assume that everyone's favorite tuber is still prominent in Central and Eastern Europe (being a lot more efficient acreage-to-calorie than grain, sheer economic forces would, much like in real life, quickly spread the taters).

(It's suggested there are South American Roman or Roman-connected colonies, perhaps Void would like to solidify that as properly still Roman colonies as I doubt we'll be getting too many new members)

[The V O I D]

Guys, I may post IC sometime on Monday; my post is almost done but I'm hella busy.

[Kerbodine]

Guys, I may post IC sometime on Monday; my post is almost done but I'm hella busy.

We likely all are; 'tis the season. On that note, Merry Christmas everyone!

[Plzen]

Post is up!

The 3-week communication lag between Copenhagen and East Asia makes projecting Scandinavian power into that region a bit difficult.

[The V O I D]

Merry secular Christmas to everyone!

I might have my post up sometime tomorrow, unless I can find some free time and motivation to try and finish it tonight.

Hope everyone gets what they wanted! I did!

[Kerbodine]

Merry secular Christmas to everyone!

I might have my post up sometime tomorrow, unless I can find some free time and motivation to try and finish it tonight.

Hope everyone gets what they wanted! I did!

I got a really nice Darth Vader tie. I didn't know I needed it, but I did.

I'm now satisfied with life.

[The V O I D]

Merry secular Christmas to everyone!

I might have my post up sometime tomorrow, unless I can find some free time and motivation to try and finish it tonight.

Hope everyone gets what they wanted! I did!

I got a really nice Darth Vader tie. I didn't know I needed it, but I did.

I'm now satisfied with life.

Sounds cool.

My post is basically done, but I'm probably not going to finish it or post it tonight, and depending on when I get home tomorrow, it may be late Monday night before I do.

[New Communist and Socialist Unions]

Maybe I could have a Siberian State... Filled with Finno-Ugric peeps...

[Kerbodine]

Maybe I could have a Siberian State... Filled with Finno-Ugric peeps...

I don't even think we have a proper Russia if you want to get in on that.

[Kerbodine]

Also, if someone could make sure Void/Rome's final 'application' is linked to the first page list of nations, that would probably be nice. Just noticed that while working on a mini IC post.