Imperium Aeternum [AH/OOC/OPEN]

[Mangjukoia]

This is a really good idea.

Plus, I could go nab some cities I've had my eye on- especially Jerusalem. We will see how powerful Rome's Blessed Virgin is when I raise pagan idols and make sacrifice in the Holy City

Additionally, I'd be willing to write a post concerning a group of assassins eliminating the Imperial Family.

Excellent. And don't forget:
Rule, Nippon!
Nippon rule the waves!
Nihonjin never, never, never shall be slaves!

I shall take Malaysia.

Ayy lmao
Malay shall be of into Tang hegemony

[Khasinkonia]

Excellent. And don't forget:
Rule, Nippon!
Nippon rule the waves!
Nihonjin never, never, never shall be slaves!

I shall take Malaysia.

Ayy lmao
Malay shall be of into Tang hegemony

Hey, you haven't had Mr. Zedong yet.

Also, two words for you:
Naval Superpower

Japan has one of the most powerful navies in the world, fighting for third with the German navy. Any Japan-China conflicts over oceanic territory would be futile.

[Kerbodine]

Ayy lmao
Malay shall be of into Tang hegemony

Hey, you haven't had Mr. Zedong yet.

Also, two words for you:
Naval Superpower

Japan has one of the most powerful navies in the world, fighting for third with the German navy. Any Japan-China conflicts over oceanic territory would be futile.

Unless Germany did, indeed, get involved. If the Tang was like 'yo, we'll give you an entire port province if you help us in this war (plus be allies and money and trade and stuff)', depending on circumstances at home, we may very well be willing to ship our main battlefleet to Asia temporarily...

[Prusslandia]

Excellent. And don't forget:
Rule, Nippon!
Nippon rule the waves!
Nihonjin never, never, never shall be slaves!

I shall take Malaysia.

Ayy lmao
Malay shall be of into Tang hegemony

While you're at sea, your false god king will be executed by the Khan himself.

[Khasinkonia]

Hey, you haven't had Mr. Zedong yet.

Also, two words for you:
Naval Superpower

Japan has one of the most powerful navies in the world, fighting for third with the German navy. Any Japan-China conflicts over oceanic territory would be futile.

Unless Germany did, indeed, get involved. If the Tang was like 'yo, we'll give you an entire port province if you help us in this war (plus be allies and money and trade and stuff)', depending on circumstances at home, we may very well be willing to ship our main battlefield to Asia temporarily...

I'm pretty sure I Khan, with the help of Mongolia, at least. A navy is pretty useless without a place to land, not to mention the fact that you'd be sending your entire navy halfway across the world straight into the home turf of the Masters of the Pacific.

[Khasinkonia]

So we're all prepared for me to post a skip to the Conference?

[The V O I D]

So we're all prepared for me to post a skip to the Conference?

Sure, go ahead...

...As for the dissolution of Byzantium, I'm not sure. I mean, making Byzantium part of Rome again wouldn't really work, and dissolving Byzantium out of nowhere seems abit... I don't know, forced?

Alright, well, let's focus on the Conference for now and I'll think of something else later.

[Prusslandia]

So we're all prepared for me to post a skip to the Conference?

Sure, go ahead...

...As for the dissolution of Byzantium, I'm not sure. I mean, making Byzantium part of Rome again wouldn't really work, and dissolving Byzantium out of nowhere seems abit... I don't know, forced?

Alright, well, let's focus on the Conference for now and I'll think of something else later.

There could be a civil war, from the death of the Emperor.

[The V O I D]

Sure, go ahead...

...As for the dissolution of Byzantium, I'm not sure. I mean, making Byzantium part of Rome again wouldn't really work, and dissolving Byzantium out of nowhere seems abit... I don't know, forced?

Alright, well, let's focus on the Conference for now and I'll think of something else later.

There could be a civil war, from the death of the Emperor.

Perhaps... I dunno.

I'll decide by tomorrow the fate of Byzantium.

[Plzen]

>tfw literally twice as strong as your sister power, the only power that can possibly challenge your authority and hope to stand a chance at winning

Man, I'm OP without even trying to be. Whoops.

I mean, "half of western Europe" does tend to make a country overpowered in a 19C RP.

Rome and Byzantium probably have all the new fancier toys that everyone will be jealous of. Although, from the IC, Scandinavia might intrigue us with their better / more advanced radio technologies that will be commercially available ahead of schedule for when Rome expects theirs to be.

Scandinavia historically actually had a very decent scientific output. I mean, for starters, Scandinavians discovered 21 new elements (22, if you include Finland there) compared to the German's 19 (21, if you include Austria).

That early public education really paid off in a lot of scientific prestige. Too bad that I didn't include scientific prestige in my points calculations. :/

Also, GG Japan, you're at the Adults Table. Such a shame that Tang is at the Kiddie Table still. At least they are the biggest kid at the Kiddie Table!

If the Tang becomes a civilised country, they will displace Scandinavia as the 5th great power.

So I have a lot of incentive to ensure that such never happens.

[The V O I D]

>tfw literally twice as strong as your sister power, the only power that can possibly challenge your authority and hope to stand a chance at winning

Man, I'm OP without even trying to be. Whoops.

1. I mean, "half of western Europe" does tend to make a country overpowered in a 19C RP.

Rome and Byzantium probably have all the new fancier toys that everyone will be jealous of. Although, from the IC, Scandinavia might intrigue us with their better / more advanced radio technologies that will be commercially available ahead of schedule for when Rome expects theirs to be.

2. Scandinavia historically actually had a very decent scientific output. I mean, for starters, Scandinavians discovered 21 new elements (22, if you include Finland there) compared to the German's 19 (21, if you include Austria).

That early public education really paid off in a lot of scientific prestige. Too bad that I didn't include scientific prestige in my points calculations. :/

Also, GG Japan, you're at the Adults Table. Such a shame that Tang is at the Kiddie Table still. At least they are the biggest kid at the Kiddie Table!

If the Tang becomes a civilised country, they will displace Scandinavia as the 5th great power.

3. So I have a lot of incentive to ensure that such never happens.

1. Yeah. Although, with Valyria leaving, I've decided that my options are dissolving Byzantium with an event in the IC after the Emperor's death (in the same post as the one for the Japanese Conference); thus freeing up room in the Middle East and Baltic and such for post-Byzantium nations to form and begin trying to carve out territory/fight for power over what was once Byzantium (this bumps the great powers up and puts Scandinavia in 4th place, not sure who'd be 5th).

Either that, or say that an arranged wedding between our second-children happened as an agreement for a merger of the Empires, with the two Emperors ruling as Co-Emperors of the greater Roman Empire. Of course, what isn't in the agreement and was secretly plotted for would be the fact that Imperial Prince Cassius II would be the first sole Emperor of the United Rome.

Although, the latter option is probably less feasible and - besides - it'd make me much, much too powerful... then again, it'd also almost guarantee my eventual collapse later on in the RP, so, I dunno.

2. Huh. Noice. Note-to-self: hire Scandinavians when its time for the nuclear age.

3. Yeah - don't wanna be pegged down to the Tweens table, do we?

[Khasinkonia]

>tfw literally twice as strong as your sister power, the only power that can possibly challenge your authority and hope to stand a chance at winning

Man, I'm OP without even trying to be. Whoops.

I mean, "half of western Europe" does tend to make a country overpowered in a 19C RP.

Rome and Byzantium probably have all the new fancier toys that everyone will be jealous of. Although, from the IC, Scandinavia might intrigue us with their better / more advanced radio technologies that will be commercially available ahead of schedule for when Rome expects theirs to be.

Scandinavia historically actually had a very decent scientific output. I mean, for starters, Scandinavians discovered 21 new elements (22, if you include Finland there) compared to the German's 19 (21, if you include Austria).

That early public education really paid off in a lot of scientific prestige. Too bad that I didn't include scientific prestige in my points calculations. :/

Also, GG Japan, you're at the Adults Table. Such a shame that Tang is at the Kiddie Table still. At least they are the biggest kid at the Kiddie Table!

If the Tang becomes a civilised country, they will displace Scandinavia as the 5th great power.

So I have a lot of incentive to ensure that such never happens.

Japan was actually the first to medically use General Anesthesia. They discovered Adrenaline, Unami, the Nagaoka Model(the first planetary model of an atom), the Myriad Year Clock among other things. At the current IC time, most of these discoveries are merely novelties, but not ultimately useless.

[Plzen]

[...] we may very well be willing to ship our main battlefield to Asia temporarily...

Axel Carlson says "interesting." So does every belligerent or anti-German element in the National Assembly.

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(this bumps the great powers up and puts Scandinavia in 4th place, not sure who'd be 5th).

Russia would be a good bet.

[...]it'd make me much, much too powerful... then again, it'd also almost guarantee my eventual collapse later on in the RP, so, I dunno.

That assessment sounds rather correct. Rome is probably a political quagmire as-is. Now add in a few million Byzantine nobility with their petty grudges to settle and petty privileges to defend and...

Huh. Noice. Note-to-self: hire Scandinavians when its time for the nuclear age.

It's a less-known fact of history that Sweden used to have a nuclear weapons program.

It was fairly successful, but was abandoned due to a combination of US diplomatic pressure and internal anti-war protests.

3. Yeah - don't wanna be pegged down to the Tweens table, do we?

If I aggressively grab the Byzantine colonies, I might be able to bump myself above the Tang. Byzantine Bengal would certainly be an area I'll be interested in, and maybe Brunei as well. Then I can turn Java into a full protectorate and...

...interesting.

[Khasinkonia]

[...] we may very well be willing to ship our main battlefield to Asia temporarily...

Axel Carlson says "interesting." So does every belligerent or anti-German element in the National Assembly.

---

(this bumps the great powers up and puts Scandinavia in 4th place, not sure who'd be 5th).

Russia would be a good bet.

[...]it'd make me much, much too powerful... then again, it'd also almost guarantee my eventual collapse later on in the RP, so, I dunno.

That assessment sounds rather correct. Rome is probably a political quagmire as-is. Now add in a few million Byzantine nobility with their petty grudges to settle and petty privileges to defend and...

Huh. Noice. Note-to-self: hire Scandinavians when its time for the nuclear age.

It's a less-known fact of history that Sweden used to have a nuclear weapons program.

It was fairly successful, but was abandoned due to a combination of US diplomatic pressure and internal anti-war protests.

3. Yeah - don't wanna be pegged down to the Tweens table, do we?

If I aggressively grab the Byzantine colonies, I might be able to bump myself above the Tang. Byzantine Bengal would certainly be an area I'll be interested in, and maybe Brunei as well. Then I can turn Java into a full protectorate and...

...interesting.

Japan has interests there as well. Not to mention the Aussie wild card. In any case, Scandinavia might be able to snag Bengal from under Mongolia's nose, but Brunei has been eyed by the Empire for a long time now.

[Plzen]

Japan has interests there as well. Not to mention the Aussie wild card. In any case, Scandinavia might be able to snag Bengal from under Mongolia's nose, but Brunei has been eyed by the Empire for a long time now.

Hmm... I'm sure there are alternates, then. The Byzantines have a lot of colonies and almost all of them have some kind of natural resource that can be exploited.

[Khasinkonia]

Japan has interests there as well. Not to mention the Aussie wild card. In any case, Scandinavia might be able to snag Bengal from under Mongolia's nose, but Brunei has been eyed by the Empire for a long time now.

Hmm... I'm sure there are alternates, then. The Byzantines have a lot of colonies and almost all of them have some kind of natural resource that can be exploited.

You go have fun over there in Africa.

[The V O I D]

Alright... I've decided that Rome shall assume direct control of the Byzantium Empire and its colonies.

Here is an adapted political map to reflect that, once I make the IC post (which will include a reply to the Japan Conference).

Anyone opposed?

[Plzen]

Anyone opposed?

Nope.

...and so begins the collapse of the Roman Empire.

[Prusslandia]

Alright... I've decided that Rome shall assume direct control of the Byzantium Empire and its colonies.

Here is an adapted political map to reflect that, once I make the IC post (which will include a reply to the Japan Conference).

Anyone opposed?

My opposition depends on when you plan on having Rome fracture.

[Khasinkonia]

Alright... I've decided that Rome shall assume direct control of the Byzantium Empire and its colonies.

Here is an adapted political map to reflect that, once I make the IC post (which will include a reply to the Japan Conference).

Anyone opposed?

I'd say that the Asian and African colonies aren't terribly fond of being colonies of the Byzantines, so I would expect them to attempt to break free. Other than that, I'd say it's reasonable enough, though I would say that this would greatly accelerate the decay of the Roman Empire.

[The V O I D]

Anyone opposed?

Nope.

...and so begins the collapse of the Roman Empire.

Yep. I originally planned for the Roman Empire to fall in about 20-30 years IC time, but with this event, that's going to decrease to within 5 years IC-time.

I might be able to extend it to 10 years IC time, but if I do so, I'll edit the IC post saying that the Roman Empire relinquishes all Byzantium overseas colonies (basically, anything not directly attached to Byzantium itself) to make it slightly more manageable.

EDIT: I'll also alter the political map to reflect such, unless Siv does it for me beforehand.

Just waiting on Japan to get this party started.

[Plzen]

I might be able to extend it to 10 years IC time, but if I do so, I'll edit the IC post saying that the Roman Empire relinquishes all Byzantium overseas colonies (basically, anything not directly attached to Byzantium itself) to make it slightly more manageable.

Well, just remember that the first signs of a collapsing empire isn't always rebellion.

It's usually a slow decline in respect for social, political, and economic institutions and the increasing privatisation of institutional power, both of which reinforce each other.

Now, the Roman Empire already has a fairly high degree of privatisation of institutional power, so it will be a quicker process.

The Roman Empire can probably hold itself together for decades on end, but it'll become an increasingly fragile structure. Poland-Lithuania comes to mind.

[Khasinkonia]

Nope.

...and so begins the collapse of the Roman Empire.

Yep. I originally planned for the Roman Empire to fall in about 20-30 years IC time, but with this event, that's going to decrease to within 5 years IC-time.

I might be able to extend it to 10 years IC time, but if I do so, I'll edit the IC post saying that the Roman Empire relinquishes all Byzantium overseas colonies (basically, anything not directly attached to Byzantium itself) to make it slightly more manageable.

EDIT: I'll also alter the political map to reflect such, unless Siv does it for me beforehand.

Just waiting on Japan to get this party started.

Literally about to post.

[The V O I D]

I might be able to extend it to 10 years IC time, but if I do so, I'll edit the IC post saying that the Roman Empire relinquishes all Byzantium overseas colonies (basically, anything not directly attached to Byzantium itself) to make it slightly more manageable.

Well, just remember that the first signs of a collapsing empire isn't always rebellion.

It's usually a slow decline in respect for social, political, and economic institutions and the increasing privatisation of institutional power, both of which reinforce each other.

Now, the Roman Empire already has a fairly high degree of privatisation of institutional power, so it will be a quicker process.

The Roman Empire can probably hold itself together for decades on end, but it'll become an increasingly fragile structure. Poland-Lithuania comes to mind.

Yeah, I plan for the Roman Empire to hit a max of 10 Years IC time before total collapse... which will free up a lot of space, understandably.

Of course, the only logical way for Rome to last any longer than that, to me, would be if someone/something attacked Rome and former-Byzantium (e.g. the Mongols), which would keep the Romans united enough to try and fight that war and inspire a newfound unity in the Roman people post-war. Everyone knows that war does wonders for a decaying economy (sometimes).

Course, at most, that extends the Empire's lifespan by however long the war last plus a year or two, at most.

[Prusslandia]

Well, I was hoping for a Byzantine collapse/Roman and Byzantine split (due to societal differences and the Schism) so that I could exclusively deal with the Eastern Empire.