Imperium Aeternum [AH/OOC/OPEN]

[Khasinkonia]

Welp, off to more self-strengthening I go.

Just got reminded about this. How's the salt trade going along here?

Well, remember that development, once started, takes on a momentum of its own and becomes increasingly hard to control...

As for salt, Scandinavia imports most of its supplies. Scandinavian climate is unfriendly to sea salt.

Japan's salt trade consists of this:

"No salt for your sushi. What are you, a European? Eat it pristine like a real Japanese native, whiny baby."

Salt is not frequently used in Japan other than in preservation of meat inland, so salt produced natively is usually sufficient.

[Plzen]

Japan's salt trade consists of this:

"No salt for your sushi. What are you, a European? Eat it pristine like a real Japanese native, whiny baby."

Salt is not frequently used in Japan other than in preservation of meat inland, so salt produced natively is usually sufficient.

Scandinavia, on the other hand, has a very large demand for salt.

All that Norwegian fish needs to be preserved somehow. How else are we going to export it?

[Nancivania]

Japan's salt trade consists of this:

"No salt for your sushi. What are you, a European? Eat it pristine like a real Japanese native, whiny baby."

Salt is not frequently used in Japan other than in preservation of meat inland, so salt produced natively is usually sufficient.

Scandinavia, on the other hand, has a very large demand for salt.

All that Norwegian fish needs to be preserved somehow. How else are we going to export it?

Meanwhile in California:

"EAT THE DAMNED FISH ALREADY!"

[The V O I D]

So, here's a question for y'all; after the East-West Schism in regards to creating the Roman Catholic vs the Orthodox Catholic Churches, and any wars it may cause, what nations are going to remain Roman Catholic and which ones are going Orthodox?

I feel it's obvious that Byzantium is going Orthodox while the Roman Empire itself remains Roman Catholic. I'm assuming whenever we decide to have my Rome start breaking apart, that means any nations created by this will also be Roman Catholic. Same goes for if Byzantium ever breaks apart.

I'm talking outside of the Two Romes.

[Prusslandia]

So, here's a question for y'all; after the East-West Schism in regards to creating the Roman Catholic vs the Orthodox Catholic Churches, and any wars it may cause, what nations are going to remain Roman Catholic and which ones are going Orthodox?

I feel it's obvious that Byzantium is going Orthodox while the Roman Empire itself remains Roman Catholic. I'm assuming whenever we decide to have my Rome start breaking apart, that means any nations created by this will also be Roman Catholic. Same goes for if Byzantium ever breaks apart.

I'm talking outside of the Two Romes.

Western Mongolia might have some Orthodox converts, a few thousand maybe.

[Kerbodine]

So, here's a question for y'all; after the East-West Schism in regards to creating the Roman Catholic vs the Orthodox Catholic Churches, and any wars it may cause, what nations are going to remain Roman Catholic and which ones are going Orthodox?

As mentioned, there's a lot of potential for a Second Reformation, and the Schism happening might be a trigger for that. It's quite possible Germany's government will be forced to either fully secularize or face a religious civil war, and either way will have to just hope that Rome doesn't mind a significant portion of one of its closest allies- both politically and religiously- moving away from the traditional clergy. I'd guess there's a potential for about 60% of the population to Reform, depending on circumstances...

[Plzen]

Scandinavia's government is legally Christian in its foundation and technically defends the Roman Church, but in reality already conducts itself as a secular government and effectively maintains a "don't care" policy towards religious doctrine.

It's possible that a large portion of Scandinavia's population will convert out of the Roman Church, but it's very unlikely that anything like religious turmoil will happen.

[Kazarogkai]

In Victoria 2, it's not hard to completely dismantle the entire armed forces of the Chinese Empire and all of its substates (which can and usually does number in the millions) using 60 brigades (180,000 soldiers), a couple Commerce Raiders (1850s light ships), and 1860s army tech. That's sort of my baseline.

I can't see how the tech gap in this RP is any smaller. It's probably roughly the same, since the Great Tang in this RP has things like muzzle-loaded rifles (domestically made) and a (modernised) military staff system, which Victoria 2 China doesn't have, but we have things like machine guns and indirect artillery fire.

Unfortunately, 60 brigades are hard to find when your country only has 12 million people... hence my unwillingness to actually fight the Great Tang.

The cost and time needed to physically transport all those troops is also an issue even for a modern country. To this day it takes weeks if not months of proper preparation, in the 19th century though? Mix this in with the relatively poor infrastructure of the country being invaded and your forces can probably expect to be about as slow as your opponents making your way through their country if not slower; namely due to lack of familiarity with the land itself and poor quality maps. The worst part about it though is the fact that if you were to somehow transport such a force that will leave your homeland rather vulnerable to opportunistic neighbors who may have taken offense to your little foreign expedition. Britain was able to do this with almost complete impunity due to the lack of land neighbors and their dominance of the ocean deterring any invasions. Countries like germany and your nation of scandinavia presumably do not have this luxury.

Just some thoughts.

On another tangent, someone made mention of the discovery of the source of the nile which in are world occurred roughly in the mid 19th century due to increased european exploration of the congo region. In this world that would have the added complication of a powerful and rather hostile empire who would have little interest in allowing plus have the ability to prevent such explorers and archaeologists from tramping around their lands and making hell. It's doubtful such a discovery has even been made as of yet which in my mind presents a rather intriguing scenario.

[Kerbodine]

Oh, who wants there to be a World's Fair? Presumably rather soon, as there might be stuff going down at some point.

[Plzen]

Okee, here goes.

I used a custom-made algorithm (which I am keeping secret) to calculate these figures. I made the assumption that one-half of Byzantine population lives in the Byzantine homeland and that California's per-capita income is on par with Japanese Hawaii. Java has a historical population of 28.5 million and their military population was estimated at 5% of that. The Aztecs don't have a clear distinction between soldier and civilian, so their "military population" was estimated at one-third of their population. Otherwise, I used the values I previously estimated in my GDP tables and given in applications. GDP per capita was used as an approximation for techlevel. I used Kerbodine's estimate of countries' naval strength, with a few changes. The Tang was assumed to have 20 (obsolete) capital ships, Nova Hatteria and Mongolia 5 each, and 3 each to Poland-Ruthenia, Celtia, Terra Austrum and New Rome. Japan and Germania are mentioned as being similar in naval strength, so I gave Japan more ships than Germany to compensate for their tech lag. This is complete guesswork, of course. To estimate each country's level of cultural development, I looked at Victoria II's "Philosophy," "Social Thought," and "Political Thought" lines of research, and estimated (that is to say, guessed) how many of those techs each country might have. All of Russia's stats are complete guesswork, since that app's still in the making.

If the math doesn't add up, it's probably rounding errors. If the Great Tang's figures seem unnaturally high, that's because they have a ridiculously big country (in terms of population), and sheer size sort of inflates all their other numbers.

An observation I made was that in the "army" component of the military score, many of the civilised nations are completely outclassed by uncivilised nations. I think this is due to the fact that civilised nations have a greater distinction between civilian and military, and so doesn't field large regular armies during peacetime.

Scandinavia comes 5th in prestige and industry scores, but 9th in military score. Clearly our military effort is substandard and needs to be expanded upon.

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The Great Powers of the World

1. Roman Empire - 898
311 points from its prestige,
300 points from its industry,
286 points from its military.

2. Byzantine Empire - 452
291 points from its prestige,
31 points from its industry,
115 points from its military.

3. German Federation - 407
117 points from its prestige,
173 points from its industry,
117 points from its military.

4. Japanese Empire - 205
91 points from its prestige,
36 points from its industry,
78 points from its military.

5. Scandinavia - 120
49 points from its prestige,
36 points from its industry,
35 points from its military.

Secondary Powers

Russian Empire - 74 (30, 18, 26)
Nova Hatteria - 52 (15, 23, 14)
Poland-Ruthenia - 39 (14, 18, 7)
Terra Astrum - 25 (7, 7, 11)
New Rome - 23 (9, 9, 5)

Civilised Nations

Celtia - 16 (4, 5, 6)
Livland - 3 (1, 1, 1)
California - 3 (1, 0, 1)
Estland - 1 (0, 1, 0)
Riga - 0 (0, 0, 0)

Uncivilised Nations

Great Tang - 140 (39, 41, 60)
Mongolian Empire - 117 (46, 14, 56)
Aztec Empire - 56 (5, 2, 49)
Akan - 48 (7, 4, 37)
Java - 30 (2, 6, 22)
Kobiwa - 11 (2, 4, 6)

[Nancivania]

Oh, who wants there to be a World's Fair? Presumably rather soon, as there might be stuff going down at some point.

I'd be good with that. I'm going to assume it's being held in Rome?

P.S: Good to know my colonizing power is 68 times as strong as me...

[The V O I D]

>tfw literally twice as strong as your sister power, the only power that can possibly challenge your authority and hope to stand a chance at winning

Man, I'm OP without even trying to be. Whoops.

As for world's fair - sure, after Japan does their next post for the Conference and we conclude it, I'll have Rome invite everyone to the City of Rome. It'll probably be called the Mundus Scriptor Pulchra (rough Latin translation for "The World's Fair" / "World's Fair").

Rome and Byzantium probably have all the new fancier toys that everyone will be jealous of. Although, from the IC, Scandinavia might intrigue us with their better / more advanced radio technologies that will be commercially available ahead of schedule for when Rome expects theirs to be.

Also, GG Japan, you're at the Adults Table. Such a shame that Tang is at the Kiddie Table still. At least they are the biggest kid at the Kiddie Table!

[Khasinkonia]

>tfw literally twice as strong as your sister power, the only power that can possibly challenge your authority and hope to stand a chance at winning

Man, I'm OP without even trying to be. Whoops.

As for world's fair - sure, after Japan does their next post for the Conference and we conclude it, I'll have Rome invite everyone to the City of Rome. It'll probably be called the Mundus Scriptor Pulchra (rough Latin translation for "The World's Fair" / "World's Fair").

Rome and Byzantium probably have all the new fancier toys that everyone will be jealous of. Although, from the IC, Scandinavia might intrigue us with their better / more advanced radio technologies that will be commercially available ahead of schedule for when Rome expects theirs to be.

Also, GG Japan, you're at the Adults Table. Such a shame that Tang is at the Kiddie Table still. At least they are the biggest kid at the Kiddie Table!

I'm a Big Kid Now!

[The Frozen Forest]

I'll have a post up as soon as the Byzantine player reacts to my assassination attempt. As for the map i'll edit it tonight so expect a fixed map up tomorrow.

[The V O I D]

>tfw literally twice as strong as your sister power, the only power that can possibly challenge your authority and hope to stand a chance at winning

Man, I'm OP without even trying to be. Whoops.

As for world's fair - sure, after Japan does their next post for the Conference and we conclude it, I'll have Rome invite everyone to the City of Rome. It'll probably be called the Mundus Scriptor Pulchra (rough Latin translation for "The World's Fair" / "World's Fair").

Rome and Byzantium probably have all the new fancier toys that everyone will be jealous of. Although, from the IC, Scandinavia might intrigue us with their better / more advanced radio technologies that will be commercially available ahead of schedule for when Rome expects theirs to be.

Also, GG Japan, you're at the Adults Table. Such a shame that Tang is at the Kiddie Table still. At least they are the biggest kid at the Kiddie Table!

I'm a Big Kid Now!

I'm laughing so hard and I don't know why.

[Kazarogkai]

I'm a little iffy about my numbers. But so be it. As an explanation for the relatively small size of my military compared to some of my contemporaries(the Akans 2.4 million vs my 314,300). I have unlike others a standing semi-professional army which is not confined to the seasons in terms of when it fights. As such it can fight yearlong with little issue and can even outside its own territory sustain a rather vast force on the march allowing it to project force far and wide. Rather than making use of feudal lords for the task the Kobiwa have at their disposal a vast civil/military bureaucracy of what are best described as mandarins to administer their forces. This combined with the fact that said forces are supplied and paid directly by the state's coffers, a possibility made by the Kobiwa's control over much of the gold trade and heavy tribute extracted from vassals, results in a force whose loyalty is first and foremost toward the emperor rather than toward local nobility.

Since we're Going to be talking a little about this I might as well go into a little detail on my forces. The Regiments, or Kikosi as they are known as, are organized as such:

Local Staff Unit(680)
Battle Column(1440)
Artillery Company(288)
A Rocket Block(72)
a Rocket Stick(3x 24)
B H Cannon Block(72)
a Ammo Stick(24)
b Gun Stick(2x 24)
C L Cannon Block(2x 72)
a Gun Stick(3x 24) 6
Infantry Company(4x 288)
A Foot Infantry Block(4x 72)
a FI Stick(3x 24)
- 12 Spearmen
- 12 Gunmen
Service Column(2x 1440)
Engineer Company(288)
Logistics Company(4x 288)
Weapons Composition
16 Cannons
12 Rockets
768 Guns

With a link to a previous post on the subject.

[The Valyria Empire]

Forgot to do this sooner, but I'm resigning. I'm about to start a second RP and I can't run two RPs and participate it every RP I'm still in. Byzantium is up for anyone, or you can just merge it with Rome. What ever you think is best VOID.

[Khasinkonia]

Forgot to do this sooner, but I'm resigning. I'm about to start a second RP and I can't run two RPs and participate it every RP I'm still in. Byzantium is up for anyone, or you can just merge it with Rome. What ever you think is best VOID.

Since there is an assassination attempt being performed on the Emperor of Byzantium, why not have the entire royal family be assassinated. Chaos ensues as Byzantium is left without a leader, and smaller nations, particularly in the Middle East and Africa. Meanwhile, in Asia and Oceania, the naval powers fight over territory that the Byzantine colonists living there struggle to hold without the support of the capital.

This is actually a perfect opportunity to begin a WWI-like event, along with perhaps beginning some of the crumbling of the Western Empire as well.
Byzantium would be like Austria-Hungary, Rome would be like Germany, and other nations can have their own analogies if it happens.

[The Valyria Empire]

Forgot to do this sooner, but I'm resigning. I'm about to start a second RP and I can't run two RPs and participate it every RP I'm still in. Byzantium is up for anyone, or you can just merge it with Rome. What ever you think is best VOID.

Since there is an assassination attempt being performed on the Emperor of Byzantium, why not have the entire royal family be assassinated. Chaos ensues as Byzantium is left without a leader, and smaller nations, particularly in the Middle East and Africa. Meanwhile, in Asia and Oceania, the naval powers fight over territory that the Byzantine colonists living there struggle to hold without the support of the capital.

This is actually a perfect opportunity to begin a WWI-like event, along with perhaps beginning some of the crumbling of the Western Empire as well.
Byzantium would be like Austria-Hungary, Rome would be like Germany, and other nations can have their own analogies if it happens.

Honestly, that would make sense if the assassins were from a civilized nation like Germany, Japan, Mongolia, Rome or Scandinavia. However the assassins that were sent came from an African nation near the Congo coast. I don't think they would be successful.

[Prusslandia]

Forgot to do this sooner, but I'm resigning. I'm about to start a second RP and I can't run two RPs and participate it every RP I'm still in. Byzantium is up for anyone, or you can just merge it with Rome. What ever you think is best VOID.

Since there is an assassination attempt being performed on the Emperor of Byzantium, why not have the entire royal family be assassinated. Chaos ensues as Byzantium is left without a leader, and smaller nations, particularly in the Middle East and Africa. Meanwhile, in Asia and Oceania, the naval powers fight over territory that the Byzantine colonists living there struggle to hold without the support of the capital.

This is actually a perfect opportunity to begin a WWI-like event, along with perhaps beginning some of the crumbling of the Western Empire as well.
Byzantium would be like Austria-Hungary, Rome would be like Germany, and other nations can have their own analogies if it happens.

This is a really good idea.

Plus, I could go nab some cities I've had my eye on- especially Jerusalem. We will see how powerful Rome's Blessed Virgin is when I raise pagan idols and make sacrifice in the Holy City

Additionally, I'd be willing to write a post concerning a group of assassins eliminating the Imperial Family.

[The Frozen Forest]

Since there is an assassination attempt being performed on the Emperor of Byzantium, why not have the entire royal family be assassinated. Chaos ensues as Byzantium is left without a leader, and smaller nations, particularly in the Middle East and Africa. Meanwhile, in Asia and Oceania, the naval powers fight over territory that the Byzantine colonists living there struggle to hold without the support of the capital.

This is actually a perfect opportunity to begin a WWI-like event, along with perhaps beginning some of the crumbling of the Western Empire as well.
Byzantium would be like Austria-Hungary, Rome would be like Germany, and other nations can have their own analogies if it happens.

Honestly, that would make sense if the assassins were from a civilized nation like Germany, Japan, Mongolia, Rome or Scandinavia. However the assassins that were sent came from an African nation near the Congo coast. I don't think they would be successful.

I don't see why they wouldn't, i've mentioned plenty of times that they are the most elite of any order within Akan, with hundreds of years of accumulated experience and a deadly arsenal of poisons, guns and if needed more primitive weapons like knives or bows. I don't see anything limiting them from assassinating key figures in the Byzantine Royal Family.

I do love the idea though.

[Khasinkonia]

Since there is an assassination attempt being performed on the Emperor of Byzantium, why not have the entire royal family be assassinated. Chaos ensues as Byzantium is left without a leader, and smaller nations, particularly in the Middle East and Africa. Meanwhile, in Asia and Oceania, the naval powers fight over territory that the Byzantine colonists living there struggle to hold without the support of the capital.

This is actually a perfect opportunity to begin a WWI-like event, along with perhaps beginning some of the crumbling of the Western Empire as well.
Byzantium would be like Austria-Hungary, Rome would be like Germany, and other nations can have their own analogies if it happens.

This is a really good idea.

Plus, I could go nab some cities I've had my eye on- especially Jerusalem. We will see how powerful Rome's Blessed Virgin is when I raise pagan idols and make sacrifice in the Holy City

Additionally, I'd be willing to write a post concerning a group of assassins eliminating the Imperial Family.

Excellent. And don't forget:
Rule, Nippon!
Nippon rule the waves!
Nihonjin never, never, never shall be slaves!

I shall take Malaysia.

[Prusslandia]

So, are we set on Mongolian assassins exterminating the Byzantine royalty, or should we wait for VOID?

[Kerbodine]

Oh dang, disintegration of the Byzantines?? A new Pope (... Sounds like a bad Star Wars parody)?? I might have to have something exciting happen in Germany- maybe as Byzantium falls apart we ask to control one or two of their colonies, all while the Second Reformation begins!

... We need to wrap up the Japan Conference...

[Khasinkonia]

So, are we set on Mongolian assassins exterminating the Byzantine royalty, or should we wait for VOID?

I'd say wait for VOID. I think I'll try to get a post up for the Conference if everybody's ready.