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New Tuva SSR
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Postby New Tuva SSR » Sun Nov 27, 2016 6:59 am

Trotza wrote:
New Tuva SSR wrote:Oh, I can't wait until Byzantium declaims and I get Iraq, Arabia, and East Turkey.

I mean, aren't there reasons why the entirety of Arabia was never fully colonized by a single entity.

Yeah, true, like Rub al Khali.
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The V O I D
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Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby The V O I D » Sun Nov 27, 2016 6:59 am

What's happenin'?

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Trotza
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Ex-Nation

Postby Trotza » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:03 am

New Tuva SSR wrote:
Trotza wrote:I mean, aren't there reasons why the entirety of Arabia was never fully colonized by a single entity.

Yeah, true, like Rub al Khali.

I'd like to think of it as a combination of harsh environment, fractured tribal society, strong religious identity, and a lack of anything worthwhile prior to 1938, a little past the prime of empire creation.
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Trotza
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Postby Trotza » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:04 am

Also, 40 pages of OOC in less than 48 hours. Good job everyone, that's impressive.
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Augusticinia
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Postby Augusticinia » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:35 am

Trotza wrote:Also, 40 pages of OOC in less than 48 hours. Good job everyone, that's impressive.


I'll be gone for an hour and another 5 pages will show up. I'm really excited for the IC though, hopefully its as active as our OOC

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Victores
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Postby Victores » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:04 am

Victores wrote:
Nation Application




Full Nation Name : Republic of Paraguay

Short Nation Name: Paraguay

National Symbols: National Emblem, Coat of Arms, National Flag

Capital: (Nuestra Señora Santa María de la) Asunción

Territory: http://imgur.com/a/D1sf8 (Uruguay is a close allies)

Form of Government: The current Paraguayan government is officially a Republic. In reality however, it is a military dictatorship run the immense Paraguayan Army. After the first Paraguayan War the Paraguayan Army looted several Brazilian cities, gaining a huge amount of revenue. The army proceeded to use the money to equip it self with new equipment and started to function independent of the government. The military took over the government prior to the second war, founding a new government and forming a Supreme Council to manage the legislation.

Head of State: Grand Marshal Francisco Victores Lopez

Head of Government: Grand Marshal Francisco Victores Lopez

Population: ~2 million

Military Description: The military of Paraguay is the one of the largest in South America despite the nation’s relatively small size. The backbone of the army is made of infantry armed with rifles, as standard in most armies. Uniquely, a large amount the Paraguayan military is made up of light infantry trained in guerrilla warfare, not unlike the South African Kommandos. They were mainly developed to fight a scorched earth resistance against any invader. Several new developments include some machine guns and many artillery pieces. The rivers of Paraguay are built up with dozens of heavy fortifications. Most of the nations rifles are developed at home.

On an organizational level, Paraguay functionally has 3 different militaries, the Grand Army of the Republic is the military that controls the government and is divided into 14 sub-armies that are focused on being the regular army. The rest of the military is largely divided in field-divisions that are for use in foreign invasions and include the light infantry divisions. A third military can be raised from the general populace should the country be invaded.

After the second Paraguayan war, the nation was able to get a coast line, allowing the creation of a blue water fleet. The Paraguayan navy has 4 dreadnoughts

Economic Description: Paraguay has an economy very similar to OTL Russia. There are many large state owned and state affiliated corporations, most small businesses are privately owned and operated. There country has also adopted a mercantilist lean towards its new provinces

Ideology
: Nationalistic Militarism, Pseudo-Fascism
Allegiance: Neutral

Goals: Conquer and plunder even more neighbors, become true World Power

Point of Divergence: 1864

History: History of Paraguay was similar(no major differences) until 1864).

In the year 1860, the Republic of Paraguay was facing war, their ally, Uruguay was being threatened by Brazil and they themselves by Argentina. General Fransisco Lopez prepared for War against Brazil, Argentina, and the pro-Brazilian elements in Uruguay. The army came up the the idea that they could launch a lightening fast offensive through Misiones and push towards the Atlantic coast. This, the military believed would force the Brazilians to evacuate Uruguay, where upon they would present a good peace deal. The initial offensive completely overran Misiones and pushed into Southern Brazil just 4 weeks after the war started. The Paraguayan army hoped for the war to be over within 4 months, something that seemed possible at the time. However they had made a major miscalculation, assuming that by the time Argentina mobilized, Brazil would have already surrendered. The Argentinian government had already ordered a limited mobilization and launched in invasion of Paraguay almost immediately after the Paraguayans entered Brazil. Francisco ordered his army forward in the desperate hope that they could knock Brazil out of the war before the Argentinians could do anything meaningful. Just 2 weeks later he came to deeply regret this decision when the Argentinian army set siege to Asuncion. Francisco headed back with 2/3 of the invasion force and left the rest under the command of his general José E. Díaz. Due to some misinformation the, the Brazilian military believed the entire Paraguayan army hd retreated leading to an ambush near Passo Fundo. The Brazilian rout at that battle opened the door to Porto Alegre and the Atlantic coast. The remains of the Paraguayan was able to push up to the coastline near Porto Alegre. With one of their most important cities under threat, the Brazilian army pulled back from Northern Paraguay.

The Argentinian front of the war was going a lot worse for the Paraguayan military, they Argentinian army was able to capture the inner(Southern) parts of Asunción. They entire front devolved into a giant street fight. Thousands of civilians were killed in the fighting, but with sheer numbers, the Paraguayan army was able to drive back the Argentinians. With Brazil out of the war, Argentina no longer saw a reason to continue fighting and ceded Misiones as well as settling the disputed border to Paraguay’s favor.

The other major event of the time was the Second Paraguayan War which was a smaller land war. It featured a Paraguayan blitzkrieg followed by a protracted trench war, far more casualties were caused by disease than enemy action on both sides and need with Brazil ceding almost the entirety of Rio Grande do Sul and letting Paraguay build an even stronger military.

 
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Western Pacific Territories
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Western Pacific Territories » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:06 am

Look at all that beautiful French blue on the map.

Caribbean, you are me now

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Tracian Empire
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Father Knows Best State

Postby Tracian Empire » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:08 am

Victores wrote:
Victores wrote:
Nation Application




Full Nation Name : Republic of Paraguay

Short Nation Name: Paraguay

National Symbols: National Emblem, Coat of Arms, National Flag

Capital: (Nuestra Señora Santa María de la) Asunción

Territory: http://imgur.com/a/D1sf8 (Uruguay is a close allies)

Form of Government: The current Paraguayan government is officially a Republic. In reality however, it is a military dictatorship run the immense Paraguayan Army. After the first Paraguayan War the Paraguayan Army looted several Brazilian cities, gaining a huge amount of revenue. The army proceeded to use the money to equip it self with new equipment and started to function independent of the government. The military took over the government prior to the second war, founding a new government and forming a Supreme Council to manage the legislation.

Head of State: Grand Marshal Francisco Victores Lopez

Head of Government: Grand Marshal Francisco Victores Lopez

Population: ~2 million

Military Description: The military of Paraguay is the one of the largest in South America despite the nation’s relatively small size. The backbone of the army is made of infantry armed with rifles, as standard in most armies. Uniquely, a large amount the Paraguayan military is made up of light infantry trained in guerrilla warfare, not unlike the South African Kommandos. They were mainly developed to fight a scorched earth resistance against any invader. Several new developments include some machine guns and many artillery pieces. The rivers of Paraguay are built up with dozens of heavy fortifications. Most of the nations rifles are developed at home.

On an organizational level, Paraguay functionally has 3 different militaries, the Grand Army of the Republic is the military that controls the government and is divided into 14 sub-armies that are focused on being the regular army. The rest of the military is largely divided in field-divisions that are for use in foreign invasions and include the light infantry divisions. A third military can be raised from the general populace should the country be invaded.

After the second Paraguayan war, the nation was able to get a coast line, allowing the creation of a blue water fleet. The Paraguayan navy has 4 dreadnoughts

Economic Description: Paraguay has an economy very similar to OTL Russia. There are many large state owned and state affiliated corporations, most small businesses are privately owned and operated. There country has also adopted a mercantilist lean towards its new provinces

Ideology
: Nationalistic Militarism, Pseudo-Fascism
Allegiance: Neutral

Goals: Conquer and plunder even more neighbors, become true World Power

Point of Divergence: 1864

History: History of Paraguay was similar(no major differences) until 1864).

In the year 1860, the Republic of Paraguay was facing war, their ally, Uruguay was being threatened by Brazil and they themselves by Argentina. General Fransisco Lopez prepared for War against Brazil, Argentina, and the pro-Brazilian elements in Uruguay. The army came up the the idea that they could launch a lightening fast offensive through Misiones and push towards the Atlantic coast. This, the military believed would force the Brazilians to evacuate Uruguay, where upon they would present a good peace deal. The initial offensive completely overran Misiones and pushed into Southern Brazil just 4 weeks after the war started. The Paraguayan army hoped for the war to be over within 4 months, something that seemed possible at the time. However they had made a major miscalculation, assuming that by the time Argentina mobilized, Brazil would have already surrendered. The Argentinian government had already ordered a limited mobilization and launched in invasion of Paraguay almost immediately after the Paraguayans entered Brazil. Francisco ordered his army forward in the desperate hope that they could knock Brazil out of the war before the Argentinians could do anything meaningful. Just 2 weeks later he came to deeply regret this decision when the Argentinian army set siege to Asuncion. Francisco headed back with 2/3 of the invasion force and left the rest under the command of his general José E. Díaz. Due to some misinformation the, the Brazilian military believed the entire Paraguayan army hd retreated leading to an ambush near Passo Fundo. The Brazilian rout at that battle opened the door to Porto Alegre and the Atlantic coast. The remains of the Paraguayan was able to push up to the coastline near Porto Alegre. With one of their most important cities under threat, the Brazilian army pulled back from Northern Paraguay.

The Argentinian front of the war was going a lot worse for the Paraguayan military, they Argentinian army was able to capture the inner(Southern) parts of Asunción. They entire front devolved into a giant street fight. Thousands of civilians were killed in the fighting, but with sheer numbers, the Paraguayan army was able to drive back the Argentinians. With Brazil out of the war, Argentina no longer saw a reason to continue fighting and ceded Misiones as well as settling the disputed border to Paraguay’s favor.

The other major event of the time was the Second Paraguayan War which was a smaller land war. It featured a Paraguayan blitzkrieg followed by a protracted trench war, far more casualties were caused by disease than enemy action on both sides and need with Brazil ceding almost the entirety of Rio Grande do Sul and letting Paraguay build an even stronger military.

 
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Fixed ?

Yes, it is fixed.

I am not entirely convinced by the history though, and the concept of blitzkrieg does not exist yet in the world, but well, I will accept it.

Just don't start blitkrieging South America in the IC, because well, it won't be possible.
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The Alps Confederation
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Ex-Nation

Postby The Alps Confederation » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:19 am

Tracian Empire, sorry about that and this is something I don't like to do, but I'll switch country and become the Papal States; more of a challenge, AH gets an ally. My plan is to conquer the rest of Italia and expand further into North and East Africa, namely Libya and Ethiopia through the motive of a 10th (?) Crusade, with the help of Kaiser Franz Josef who's considered to be a true servant of the Roman Catholic Church according to Pope Benedict XV...

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Tracian Empire
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Postby Tracian Empire » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:22 am

The Alps Confederation wrote:Tracian Empire, sorry about that and this is something I don't like to do, but I'll switch country and become the Papal States; more of a challenge, AH gets an ally. My plan is to conquer the rest of Italia and expand further into North and East Africa, namely Libya and Ethiopia through the motive of a 10th (?) Crusade, with the help of Kaiser Franz Josef who's considered to be a true servant of the Roman Catholic Church according to Pope Benedict XV...

Feel free to choose whatever you want.

An independent Papal State could make sense, since an Austrian victory in the Second Italian War of Independence could bring Rome under the protection of the Habsburg Crown.
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Rygondria
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Rygondria » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:44 am

Would an Ethiopian empire be acceptable ?

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Postby Tracian Empire » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:45 am

Rygondria wrote:Would an Ethiopian empire be acceptable ?

I don't see why not.
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Rygondria
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Rygondria » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:50 am

Reservation

Nation Name: The Empire of Ethiopia
Territory: Ethiopia, Eritrea, Djibouti, Somalia, Kenya, and Uganda
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New Tuva SSR
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Postby New Tuva SSR » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:50 am

Not long now until I get my claim!
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Max Empire
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Postby Max Empire » Sun Nov 27, 2016 9:06 am

Nation Application


Full Nation Name:
The Spanish Empire
Short Nation Name:
Spain
National Symbols:
Flag used in the Colonies
Flag used in Mainland Spain
Capital:
Madrid
Territory:
Here you go
(Guam is included)
Form of Government:
Semi-Absolute Monarchy with parliament
(The King has absolute power, but Alfonso XIII is less than... A good ruler, so he has very Powerful Prime Ministers...)
Head of State:
Alfonso XIII de Bourbon
Head of Government:
President of the Government Eduardo Dato
Population:
Around 50 million
Military Description:
Las Fuerzas Armadas del Imperio Español (Armed Forces of The Spanish Empire)

The Spanish army is hardly comparable to the other armies of Europe. Consisting mostly of colonial regiments, the army spends most of it's time fighting insurgents and rebels in the colonies. The Empire's army has adapted accordingly, allowing it to fight in the dense jungles and rugged terrain of the Americas. Trench warfare has yet to become a major focus for the army, and it's artillery and firearms are outdated when compared to the other European Powers.

Armada Imperial (Imperial Navy)

What Spain lacks in land efficiency and modernity, it arguably makes up for with it's navy. Possibly the most modern, largest and well funded in the world, The Empire spends a lot to maintain it's navy and this is arguably the only reason why the Empire has been able to hold on to it's colonies.
Economic Description:
If there was one word one could use to describe The Spanish Empire's economy, it would be backwards. Industry is practically nonexistent, with most production coming from artisans and small workshops. Spains economy is mostly driven by the natural resources it exploits from the colonies, hence the great effort the Empire has put up in order to keep them from slipping further fro it's grasp.
Ideology:
Imperialism, Monarchism, Colonialism, Slavery, Conservatism, Reactionary thought, Catholicism
Allegiance:
The Spanish Empire XD
Goals:
Survive... Try not to collapse, keep the colonies from becoming independent, Try not to go bankrupt and most important, try not to get pulled into the rising tensions on the European continent.
Point of Divergence:
1810 (for the most part)
History:
  • Unlike in actual reality, Spain was able to keep the revolutionaries in South and Central America under control. Although many of it's colonies (Cuba, Mexico, Paraguay) have slipped from it's grasp, it was for the most part able to defeat the revolutions. With Simon Bolivar being defeated during Admirable Campaign and Jose de San Martin failing to head north after being defeated by a Spanish army.
  • Other than that, Spain's history has been pretty much the same, with the monarchy being overthrown several times like in history, and colonial unrest spiking and falling over the course of the 19th century. Spain has invested a lot in it's navy, albeit at the cost of it's land army. It has spent most of it's time ignoring European affairs and has instead been trying to survive the onslaught of revolutionaries that have sought independence for the colonies.
  • The Empire it'self has failed to modernize in many regards, with the government being seen as oppressive and unjust by the general populace, it's economy far behind the rest of Europe, it's outdated land armies and it's constant fight for survival. The Empire is running a deficit, even when it's colonies are relatively peaceful, due to the herculean effort required to police them and keep them in line.
  • Should the Empire lose it's troublesome colonies, it would spell the end of the Empire, and trigger the complete collapse of the government, leaving Spain in complete anarchy. As such, the Empire has spend all it's might investing into it's navy, hoping to keep at least a minimal hold on it's colonies that way. Spain needs a miracle to save it or a complete and radical change in policy. It has been questioned however, if a miracle can ever occur, or if a radical change in policy can be enacted without the country falling into civil war (again)...
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Max Empire
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Father Knows Best State

Postby Max Empire » Sun Nov 27, 2016 9:12 am

Hey Thrace, could you upload an updated map so I could give you an accurate position of all of Spain's claims? :lol:
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Postby Greater Aterria » Sun Nov 27, 2016 9:13 am

Umm, my app mentions an independent Columbia... Also, Panama Canal. (America funded Panama rebels against Columbia as in real life).
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Postby Tracian Empire » Sun Nov 27, 2016 9:14 am

Max empire wrote:Hey Thrace, could you upload an updated map so I could give you an accurate position of all of Spain's claims? :lol:

An updated map is already there.

And your app is accepted, just try to fix any overlapping claims or issues that might exist, I have to leave for a little bit
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Max Empire
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Postby Max Empire » Sun Nov 27, 2016 9:15 am

Tracian Empire wrote:
Max empire wrote:Hey Thrace, could you upload an updated map so I could give you an accurate position of all of Spain's claims? :lol:

An updated map is already there.

And your app is accepted, just try to fix any overlapping claims or issues that might exist, I have to leave for a little bit

Alright.^^ I'll see what I can do.
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Rygondria
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Rygondria » Sun Nov 27, 2016 9:16 am

Is my Ethiopian empire reservation accepted ?

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Sanabel
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Ex-Nation

Postby Sanabel » Sun Nov 27, 2016 9:17 am

The map looks really weird. It's a bunch of massive blobs and almost no overseas colonialism.
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Max Empire
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Postby Max Empire » Sun Nov 27, 2016 9:17 am

Greater Aterria wrote:Umm, my app mentions an independent Columbia... Also, Panama Canal. (America funded Panama rebels against Columbia as in real life).


Quite possible, since the colonies are always in Flux. Many states consider them to be independent, and many of them may nominally be so at various times, but the Spanish Empire always comes back.
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Greater Aterria
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Postby Greater Aterria » Sun Nov 27, 2016 9:18 am

Max empire wrote:
Greater Aterria wrote:Umm, my app mentions an independent Columbia... Also, Panama Canal. (America funded Panama rebels against Columbia as in real life).


Quite possible, since the colonies are always in Flux. Many states consider them to be independent, and many of them may nominally be so at various times, but the Spanish Empire always comes back.

I'm pretty sure America would try to guarantee Panama's independence. Especially since it has interests in the region. France also helped when building the Canal.
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Max Empire
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Postby Max Empire » Sun Nov 27, 2016 9:19 am

Greater Aterria wrote:
Max empire wrote:
Quite possible, since the colonies are always in Flux. Many states consider them to be independent, and many of them may nominally be so at various times, but the Spanish Empire always comes back.

I'm pretty sure America would try to guarantee Panama's independence. Especially since it has interests in the region. France also helped when building the Canal.

Panama was never independent! If the rebels were beaten by the Spanish army in 1810-1815. Thrace seemed to think it was alright when I proposed it.
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Greater Aterria
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Postby Greater Aterria » Sun Nov 27, 2016 9:21 am

Max empire wrote:Panama was never independent! If the rebels were beaten by the Spanish army in 1810-1815. Thrace seemed to think it was alright when I proposed it.

Um, I was here first? I want my Canal. America is getting its Canal.
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