A War of Mud and Steel[AH-OOC-OPEN]

[Dires]

This sounds more like modern day Chinese production capacity ambitions to me. Except before that could happen they kind of needed the Cultural Revolution to wipe away what remained of the old society to clear the path for the new. As far as I'm aware you haven't had that level of a sociopolitical event.

That's why I'm comparing it to Imperial Russia. A Westernized center, and the capability to be quite modern, but a still backwards society and many problems.

They didn't need the Cultural Revolution for anything, period. That was purely to keep the CCP from removing Mao from power. True, but I've purged my enemies. I don't have anyone opposing me and I've had modern education made a requirement for all.

China was modernizing quite nicely before the Communists ever came to power.

[The Alps Confederation]

Could I have some FEEDBACK pls?

Sure. I find your concept for a nation and explanation of how you say it came to be distasteful as a whole.

I meat my damn Military numbers, YEAH?

[The Alps Confederation]

760,000 active duty and 1st Reserve personnel: former Class A and B(1) conscripts after two-year active tour with 17 and 1/2 year commitment
100,000 Second line Reserve: Same as above but former Class B(2) conscripts
440,000 National Army
- 1st National Army: 37- to 40-year-old men from end of 1st Reserve to 40 years old.
- 2nd National Army: untrained 20-year-olds and over-40-year-old trained reserves.
8,500,000 men available for service and mobilization.

Should I lower these numbers by 25% 50% ? I went with these numbers due to my large population size and trying to balance the ratio.
Also, in particular with the last category, since there won't be enough rifles to equip them all, some have to resort to indigenous and improvised weapons.

[The Alps Confederation]

Could I have some FEEDBACK pls?

Sure. I find your concept for a nation and explanation of how you say it came to be distasteful as a whole.

Thrace already accepted it and found it plausible, no reason to question the one in charge?

[Trotza]

That's why I'm comparing it to Imperial Russia. A Westernized center, and the capability to be quite modern, but a still backwards society and many problems.

They didn't need the Cultural Revolution for anything, period. That was purely to keep the CCP from removing Mao from power. True, but I've purged my enemies. I don't have anyone opposing me and I've had modern education made a requirement for all.

China was modernizing quite nicely before the Communists ever came to power.

Ah, yes, a "great leap" in education of sorts, and everything else apparently. And we just talked about the purges and how they don't help.

[Dires]

I think, we can settle that my core military is at least Russian level and that anything else will need additional time.

[Greater Slavic Union]

Any of you speaks Serbian?

?

[The Alps Confederation]

I think, we can settle that my core military is at least Russian level and that anything else will need additional time.

Could you please take a look at my military numbers???

[Zostra]

Yeah, Japan is small and was already extremely urbanized which made it much easier to reform. This was also combined with near absolute homogeneity in culture, language, and religion and a holy reverence for the emperor. China could definitely form a modern, westernized core, think of the Nanjing Decade. However, even modern China has problems with extreme poverty, corruption, and general backwardness in rural and "frontier" areas. I imagine this China would suffer from the same issues.

That's fine, though resurgence in China's position has restored a similar level of awe in the citizenry for our own Emperor who's still the Son of Heaven. Plus, we've had a standardized written language for over 2000 years so language isn't a large a barrier for us. That's what I was imagining, a modern westernized core.

Well in my understanding the concept of the Son of Heaven and Mandate of Heaven is much more intangible than the Japanese Emperor who is quite literally a living demi-god, descended from the Sun Goddess herself. After all, in China the Mandate of Heaven could be lost, a concept that would be unthinkable in contemporary Japan. That standardized language exists in China proper, but outer areas are home to Zhuang, Manchu, Uyghurs, etc. The modern core sounds good though.

[Trotza]

Sure. I find your concept for a nation and explanation of how you say it came to be distasteful as a whole.

I meat my damn Military numbers, YEAH?

Equally icky.

Sure. I find your concept for a nation and explanation of how you say it came to be distasteful as a whole.

Thrace already accepted it and found it plausible, no reason to question the one in charge?

I trust Thrace as an op to allow people to voice their concerns.

[The Alps Confederation]

Is it so hard for you guys to say something about military numbers, seriously? This is why Discord's much more effective, since everyone's missing each other's messages.

[Tracian Empire]

That's why I'm comparing it to Imperial Russia. A Westernized center, and the capability to be quite modern, but a still backwards society and many problems.

They didn't need the Cultural Revolution for anything, period. That was purely to keep the CCP from removing Mao from power. True, but I've purged my enemies. I don't have anyone opposing me and I've had modern education made a requirement for all.

China was modernizing quite nicely before the Communists ever came to power.

And still, my point stands. You are modernizing, but don't expect to be the equal of a Western nation yet.

[The Alps Confederation]

I meat my damn Military numbers, YEAH?

Equally icky.

Thrace already accepted it and found it plausible, no reason to question the one in charge?

I trust Thrace as an op to allow people to voice their concerns.

That's the thing; You can only say it's distasteful without coming up with any suggestions, so I shouldn't listen to you at all.

[Dires]

They didn't need the Cultural Revolution for anything, period. That was purely to keep the CCP from removing Mao from power. True, but I've purged my enemies. I don't have anyone opposing me and I've had modern education made a requirement for all.

China was modernizing quite nicely before the Communists ever came to power.

Ah, yes, a "great leap" in education of sorts, and everything else apparently. And we just talked about the purges and how they don't help.

I'm not doing anything Japan didn't do in real history. Coastal China was just as urbanized and for far longer. I merely removed nobles and officials who supported Cixi's conservatism. I didn't cull my entire intelligentsia, many of whom, should be in support of my reforms anyways.

@Tracian, I'll accept that for overall, I'm just saying that I have a decent land army with good fundamentals.

[Gorbatov]

Here is my WiP application.

Nation Application

Full Nation Name: Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
Short Nation Name: Soviet Union
National Symbols:Hammer & Sickle, Red Star, Flag, Coat of Arms
Capital: Moscow
Territory: Soviet Territory
Form of Government: Federal Marxist–Leninist one-party socialist state
Head of State: Vladimir Lenin
Head of Government: Vladimir Lenin
Population: ~140 Million
Military Description: Very Large, but somewhat mediocre training, very mobile and aggressive.
Economic Description: Very Large, State Capitalism, alot of natural resources, undergoing rapid industrialization.
Ideology: Marxist-Leninist
Allegiance: Itself, but may be willing to compromise.
Goals: GLOBAL REVOLUTION!...jk...actually is to finish of the remaining aristocrats in Kamchatka, ensure stable economic growth of the Soviet Union, try to stay neutral as possible.
Point of Divergence:1905 Russian Revolution
History:WiP
Have You Read, Understand, and Agree with the OP Posts & Rules In Detail? Yes
#Cibinium(do not delete this, it's for keeping track of the apps)

[Zostra]

Equally icky.
I trust Thrace as an op to allow people to voice their concerns.

That's the thing; You can only say it's distasteful without coming up with any suggestions, so I shouldn't listen to you at all.

I think he's trying to be polite.

[The Alps Confederation]

That's the thing; You can only say it's distasteful without coming up with any suggestions, so I shouldn't listen to you at all.

I think he's trying to be polite.

This is more mockery than being polite, and there you go; can't offer yourself some constructive feedback.

[Dires]

That's fine, though resurgence in China's position has restored a similar level of awe in the citizenry for our own Emperor who's still the Son of Heaven. Plus, we've had a standardized written language for over 2000 years so language isn't a large a barrier for us. That's what I was imagining, a modern westernized core.

Well in my understanding the concept of the Son of Heaven and Mandate of Heaven is much more intangible than the Japanese Emperor who is quite literally a living demi-god, descended from the Sun Goddess herself. After all, in China the Mandate of Heaven could be lost, a concept that would be unthinkable in contemporary Japan. That standardized language exists in China proper, but outer areas are home to Zhuang, Manchu, Uyghurs, etc. The modern core sounds good though.

True, but I don't need to reach later Imperial Japan levels of fanaticism. My people just view my Emperor as a savior of China. I mean the written language is read everywhere, it's been 24 years. It's not universal, but it's widespread even throughout the periphery.

[Gorbatov]

Any of you knows Serbian?

I wish...

[Tracian Empire]

Is it so hard for you guys to say something about military numbers, seriously? This is why Discord's much more effective, since everyone's missing each other's messages.

No, but it is indeed difficult for me to follow multiple lines of conversation while typing on my phone, outside, in rain.

[Dires]

760,000 active duty and 1st Reserve personnel: former Class A and B(1) conscripts after two-year active tour with 17 and 1/2 year commitment
100,000 Second line Reserve: Same as above but former Class B(2) conscripts
440,000 National Army
- 1st National Army: 37- to 40-year-old men from end of 1st Reserve to 40 years old.
- 2nd National Army: untrained 20-year-olds and over-40-year-old trained reserves.
8,500,000 men available for service and mobilization.

Should I lower these numbers by 25% 50% ? I went with these numbers due to my large population size and trying to balance the ratio.
Also, in particular with the last category, since there won't be enough rifles to equip them all, some have to resort to indigenous and improvised weapons.

You need to drastically cut these numbers. Modern-day China has a population of 1.3+ billion and only fields 2 million men. This is a time with more infantry for sure but if we even just compare our two posted militaries, it's too much. I have a population almost four times larger than yours. Take a look at the numbers I post. You also need to take into account the state of logistics at the time. You can't support that many soldiers unless you're in a full on total war. I'm not even going to mention the 8.5 million reserve.

[Tracian Empire]

I meat my damn Military numbers, YEAH?

Equally icky.

Thrace already accepted it and found it plausible, no reason to question the one in charge?

I trust Thrace as an op to allow people to voice their concerns.

I am far from being perfect, so yes, I am always going to allow people to voice their concerns.

[Tracian Empire]

Ah, yes, a "great leap" in education of sorts, and everything else apparently. And we just talked about the purges and how they don't help.

I'm not doing anything Japan didn't do in real history. Coastal China was just as urbanized and for far longer. I merely removed nobles and officials who supported Cixi's conservatism. I didn't cull my entire intelligentsia, many of whom, should be in support of my reforms anyways.

@Tracian, I'll accept that for overall, I'm just saying that I have a decent land army with good fundamentals.

A decent core of a land army, probably modeled after the German one, but you can't have China's numbers and Germany's quality.

[Tracian Empire]

Here is my WiP application.

Nation Application

Full Nation Name: Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
Short Nation Name: Soviet Union
National Symbols:Hammer & Sickle, Red Star, Flag, Coat of Arms
Capital: Moscow
Territory: Soviet Territory
Form of Government: Federal Marxist–Leninist one-party socialist state
Head of State: Vladimir Lenin
Head of Government: Vladimir Lenin
Population: ~140 Million
Military Description: Very Large, but somewhat mediocre training, very mobile and aggressive.
Economic Description: Very Large, State Capitalism, alot of natural resources, undergoing rapid industrialization.
Ideology: Marxist-Leninist
Allegiance: Itself, but may be willing to compromise.
Goals: GLOBAL REVOLUTION!...jk...actually is to finish of the remaining aristocrats in Kamchatka, ensure stable economic growth of the Soviet Union, try to stay neutral as possible.
Point of Divergence:1905 Russian Revolution
History:WiP
Have You Read, Understand, and Agree with the OP Posts & Rules In Detail? Yes
#Cibinium(do not delete this, it's for keeping track of the apps)

It would require more details in each section. Take the other accepted claims as examples.

[Zostra]

Well in my understanding the concept of the Son of Heaven and Mandate of Heaven is much more intangible than the Japanese Emperor who is quite literally a living demi-god, descended from the Sun Goddess herself. After all, in China the Mandate of Heaven could be lost, a concept that would be unthinkable in contemporary Japan. That standardized language exists in China proper, but outer areas are home to Zhuang, Manchu, Uyghurs, etc. The modern core sounds good though.

True, but I don't need to reach later Imperial Japan levels of fanaticism. My people just view my Emperor as a savior of China. I mean the written language is read everywhere, it's been 24 years. It's not universal, but it's widespread even throughout the periphery.

That's fair.

I think he's trying to be polite.

This is more mockery than being polite, and there you go; can't offer yourself some constructive feedback.

Your history is a bit vague which makes it somewhat difficult to critique specifics. However, the amount of intense modernization, westernization, and industrialization is kind of hand-waved.

I'm not even going to mention the 8.5 million reserve.

I think that's basically just men fit for service in the event of expanded conscription or something similar.