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Postby Greater Aterria » Sat Nov 26, 2016 9:29 pm

1890... Xinhai was 20 years late... Well, that's still far better than the Confederacy anyday.
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Postby Zostra » Sat Nov 26, 2016 9:33 pm

Togeria wrote:Let's be buddies. Continental superiority commence! Asia for Asians, Africa for Africans!


Damn right!

Greater Aterria wrote:1890... Xinhai was 20 years late... Well, that's still far better than the Confederacy anyday.


Well at no point did we have slavery, even as a colony. All races had constitutional protections since independence as well. There were no national laws specifically discriminating against native Africans, but no provisions for legal equality either which led to abuse. After several native rebellions, a growing civil rights movements of sorts, and well documented cases of extreme mistreatment a constitutional amendment was made to ensure total racial equality.
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Postby Dires » Sat Nov 26, 2016 9:40 pm

Togeria wrote:
Zostra wrote:
I can't wait for the Great Moat of France :p



We do, civil rights for all since the founding of the country and enshrined legal equality of races since the 1890s. Of course there's still unofficial racism and bad blood due to historical wrongs, but this is rapidly fading.

Let's be buddies. Continental superiority commence! Asia for Asians, Africa for Africans!


Agreed. Though I say Africa for Asian-Africans
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United oceanian states
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Postby United oceanian states » Sat Nov 26, 2016 9:42 pm

Reservation

[b]Nation Name: West African Republic
[b]Territory: modern day Ghana, Togo, Benin, Nigeria, Cameroon, Gabon and Equatorial Guinea
#Cibinium

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Dires
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Postby Dires » Sat Nov 26, 2016 9:43 pm

United oceanian states wrote:
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[b]Nation Name: West African Republic
[b]Territory: modern day Ghana, Togo, Benin, Nigeria, Cameroon, Gabon and Equatorial Guinea
#Cibinium


Isn't Nigeria a part of the British Empire?
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Postby Western Pacific Territories » Sat Nov 26, 2016 9:45 pm

United oceanian states wrote:
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[b]Nation Name: West African Republic
[b]Territory: modern day Ghana, Togo, Benin, Nigeria, Cameroon, Gabon and Equatorial Guinea
#Cibinium

Pretty sure most of that is mine.

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Postby Zostra » Sat Nov 26, 2016 9:46 pm

Dires wrote:
Togeria wrote:Let's be buddies. Continental superiority commence! Asia for Asians, Africa for Africans!


Agreed. Though I say Africa for Asian-Africans


Yes, I should have added that. My people have been there for five hundred years and are basically a unique African ethnicity at this point. Of course the native Africans must be respected as well.
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Postby Dires » Sat Nov 26, 2016 9:49 pm

Zostra wrote:
Dires wrote:
Agreed. Though I say Africa for Asian-Africans


Yes, I should have added that. My people have been there for five hundred years and are basically a unique African ethnicity at this point. Of course the native Africans must be respected as well.


Either way, since you share so much of our values and blood, we will look to do what we can to have a strong relationship. It is the Emperor's duty after all to protect the interests of our little brother nations.
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Postby Trotza » Sat Nov 26, 2016 9:57 pm

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Full Nation Name: Святой Русской Церкви Аляски | Svyatoy Russkoy Tserkvi Alyaski | The Holy Russian Church of Alaska
Short Nation Name: Аляски | Alyaski | Alaska

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Capital: Павловская гавань | Pavlovskaya Gavan | Paul's Harbor
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Territory:
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Form of Government: Mixed Tsarist Imperial and Theocratic Autocracy

Head of State: Patriarch Peter VI of Siberia and Russian America

Head of Government: Governor Aleksandr II of Alaska

Population: Total - 238,400
American and Canadian - 64,400
Itelmens - 50,000
Cossacks and Tartars - 37,300
Aleuts - 25,000
White Refugees - 17,100
Koryaks 11,000
Chukchi - 12,400
Russians - 13,000
Chugach - 5,000
Tlingit - 2,500
Ainu - 700

Military Description: Like seemingly everything else, there are really two military faces you'll see if going against Alyaski. The first is that of the settlers. With the combined arms and funds reminiscent of the company, and the soldiers imbued with the fighting spirit of their Cossack and Tartar ancestors. These forces include a few small fort garrisons (although permanent employment isn't typical in the army due to the potential costs), and quickly moving mounted regiments that do their work with the saber, musket, and lance, launching swift raids on enemy troops and populaces.
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There is also a plethora of native forces, raised largely by tribal communities much in the same way they would act as if any other threat came about their lands, like the settlers once had for a time. You'll find these warrior cultures donning a variety of exotic armors, but do not take them to lightly. They know these lands, outsiders do not, and by now have learned much about the ways of the white man, and how to counter them on the battlefield as best they can.
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The navy is a similar dichotomy. Company ships alongside traditional canoes parties along the coastline, though obviously this branch of the military is fairly minimal, considering the kinds of resources needed to maintain it.
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Economic Description: The country's economic makeup is one you would very much expect from a self sufficient northern frontier land. Much like the social, cultural, and religious differences between tribes and settlers from further west and east of what is now Alyaski, there is a distinct split in economic ventures and general lifestyle. Russian, American, and Canadian settlers pursue more modern exploits of wealth, including lumber and pulp production, particularly with spruce, yellow cedar, hemlock woods, as well as limited small scale mining of zinc, lead, silver, and gold. Large scale fishing in the region's bountiful waters is also common alongside gathering valuable furs in the vast forests. Meanwhile natives prefer smaller scale operations to catch fish and other, larger marine life. Many in Siberia raise and graze reindeer, the animal that often provides for most of their own needs. The Church collects a small but necessary tax from all citizens which goes partly to them but mainly to the government administration.

Ideology: Conservatism, Traditionalism, Russian Nationalism, Orthodoxism

Allegiance: To Mother Russia, to Your God, to Your Land and Your People

Goals: There are still wilds to be conquered by the will of men from Alyaski!

Point of Divergence: 16th and 17th centuries, as per a less severe Cossack movement into Siberia that wasn't as devastating to the local populations.

History: In 1580 a band of Cossacks was led by Yermak Timofeyevich into Siberia to wage war against the local tribes. After a quick and decisive defeat at the hands of the somewhat organized resistance of the Sibir Khanate, the original mission of the expedition was largely lost with the disconnect between the Cossack soldiers and their Tsarist overlords in Moscow. But as they became increasingly discontent with being used a soldiers for hire in the employment with the imperial Russian rulers, more bands began to gradually migrate eastward.

While this did come with some skirmishes with local populations, without the goal of extracting yasak (fur tribute) and brutally massacring tribes to accomplish it, they were better able to integrate, and the native tribal populations were able to stay more intact, despite suffering from disease outbreaks. It became a mixed land of Tartars, Cossacks, Koryaks, Aleuts, Chukchi, Itelmens, displaced Tlingit and Ainu, even exiled Russians. It was not long before they extended into America, spurred by interests for the possibility of an actually profitable company out in these lands not unlike the Hudson Bay one. While zimovie (outposts) and ostrogs (forts) were established at important junctures, they did not provoke the surrounding area with raids, and peaceful trade ensued.

This new Russian type state was separated from the original motherland, but its settlers didn't necessarily want to abandon the church. So a new Siberian and Alaskan Orthodox establishment was created, with its own Patriarch. Now obviously this was not accepted by the proclaimed Patriarch of all Russia, but there was little they could do, and religious tension diffused over time, especially since they continued conversion attempts in this new territory. But Orthodoxy wasn't necessarily forced on the entire populace. Local shamanistic religions are still prevalent amongst the tribes. This among the general attitude of acceptance and not extermination made the place a bit of a safe haven for native populations that had suffered since contact, and they drew in small crowds from the Ainu and Tlingit. But the Church is a major part of the government, still having ecclesiastical ownership of a good deal of land and property. The local church often plays the role as the center of settler communities, making it the only real focal point of influence predisposed to becoming a governing body.
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Postby Zostra » Sat Nov 26, 2016 9:58 pm

Dires wrote:
Zostra wrote:
Yes, I should have added that. My people have been there for five hundred years and are basically a unique African ethnicity at this point. Of course the native Africans must be respected as well.


Either way, since you share so much of our values and blood, we will look to do what we can to have a strong relationship. It is the Emperor's duty after all to protect the interests of our little brother nations.


Oh, we definitely share a bond with China. Our culture is heavily influenced by the Three Teachings which is followed by much of the population, most of the population is visibly Chinese, our language is a variant of Mandarin, etc. I just mean we have developed in a unique way similar to how the Afrikaaners developed from the Dutch.
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Western african republic

Postby United oceanian states » Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:02 pm

Sorry France, you're right. It's basically all yours

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Postby Augusticinia » Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:05 pm

Yurizlansia wrote:Is anyone not against Germany interestd in having some Krupp Manufacturing Plants (preferably if you also hate Austria)


Japan is interested

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Postby Dires » Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:09 pm

Augusticinia wrote:
Yurizlansia wrote:Is anyone not against Germany interestd in having some Krupp Manufacturing Plants (preferably if you also hate Austria)


Japan is interested


As are we again haha.
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Postby United oceanian states » Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:13 pm

Is Italy taken (other than the north which is in HRE). And if so, what about Egypt?

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Postby Dires » Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:15 pm

United oceanian states wrote:Is Italy taken (other than the north which is in HRE). And if so, what about Egypt?


Nope, you're in luck, they're both available.
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Postby Western Pacific Territories » Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:17 pm

United oceanian states wrote:Is Italy taken (other than the north which is in HRE). And if so, what about Egypt?

Both are available

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Postby United oceanian states » Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:17 pm

Dires wrote:
United oceanian states wrote:Is Italy taken (other than the north which is in HRE). And if so, what about Egypt?


Nope, you're in luck, they're both available.


thank you so much

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Postby United oceanian states » Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:21 pm

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[b]Nation Name: New Italian Empire
[b]Territory: modern day Italy except lands taken by HRE, all of Tunisia and Libya not taken by France, and Egypt as well
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Dires
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Postby Dires » Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:48 pm

Anyone know when IC starts up?
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Postby Trotza » Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:01 pm

Dires wrote:Anyone know when IC starts up?

Trace indicated tonight or tomorrow morning. Judging by the amount of time left for those periods, I'd assume tomorrow morning. Maybe expect a bit later in the day, just in case. No need to stress.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:44 pm

Wow. I had to go to sleep.

I'll read what I missed soon.

I'm also going to need some CO-OP's.
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Postby New Tuva SSR » Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:48 pm

Tracian Empire wrote:Wow. I had to go to sleep.

I'll read what I missed soon.

I'm also going to need some CO-OP's.

I volunteer.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:49 pm

Intermountain States wrote:
Dires wrote:
It seems everybody in East Asia has had access to Prussian training and equipment lol.

To be fair, would you trust Austrian style military to win or Prussian style military?

Although, I wrote that I have more of US equipments and Prussian training.


If you would read my app, you would realize that the Austrians modeled their military by the Prussian model, while also adding some innovations, and they stopped the Prussians in 1866.

The Austrian style is a perfect match for the Prussian style.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:52 pm

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Nation Application




Full Nation Name: Republic of Paraguay

Short Nation Name: Paraguay

National Symbols: National Emblem, Coat of Arms, National Flag

Capital: (Nuestra Señora Santa María de la) Asunción

Territory: http://imgur.com/a/D1sf8 (Uruguay is a close allies)

Form of Government: The current Paraguayan government is officially a Republic. In reality however, it is a military dictatorship run the immense Paraguayan Army. After the first Paraguayan War the Paraguayan Army looted several Brazilian cities, gaining a huge amount of revenue. The army proceeded to use the money to equip it self with new equipment and started to function independent of the government. The military took over the government prior to the second war, founding a new government and forming a Supreme Council to manage the legislation.

Head of State: Grand Marshal Francisco Victores Lopez

Head of Government: Grand Marshal Francisco Victores Lopez

Population: ~2 million

Military Description: The military of Paraguay is the biggest in South America and one of the largest in the Americas. The backbone of the army is made of infantry armed with rifles, as standard in most armies. Uniquely, a large amount the Paraguayan military is made up of light infantry trained in guerrilla warfare, not unlike the South African Kommandos. They were mainly developed to fight a scorched earth resistance against any invader. Several new developments include some machine guns and many artillery pieces. The rivers of Paraguay are built up with dozens of heavy fortifications. Most of the nations rifles are developed at home.

On an organizational level, Paraguay functionally has 3 different militaries, the Grand Army of the Republic is the military that controls the government and is divided into 14 sub-armies that are focused on being the regular army. The rest of the military is largely divided in field-divisions that are for use in foreign invasions and include the light infantry divisions. A third military can be raised from the general populace should the country be invaded.

After the second Paraguayan war, the nation was able to get a coast line, allowing the creation of a blue water fleet. The Paraguayan navy has 4 dreadnoughts

Economic Description: Paraguay has an economy very similar to OTL Russia. There are many large state owned and state affiliated corporations, most small businesses are privately owned and operated. There country has also adopted a mercantilist lean towards its new provinces

Ideology: Nationalistic Militarism, Pseudo-Fascism

Allegiance: Neutral

Goals: Conquer and plunder even more neighbors, become true World Power

Point of Divergence: 1864

History: History of Paraguay was similar(no major differences) until 1864).

In the year 1860, the Republic of Paraguay was facing war, their ally, Uruguay was being threatened by Brazil and they themselves by Argentina. General Fransisco Lopez prepared for War against Brazil, Argentina, and the pro-Brazilian elements in Uruguay. The army came up the the idea that they could launch a lightening fast offensive through Misiones and push towards the Atlantic coast. This, the military believed would force the Brazilians to evacuate Uruguay, where upon they would present a good peace deal. The initial offensive completely overran Misiones and pushed into Southern Brazil just 4 weeks after the war started. The Paraguayan army hoped for the war to be over within 4 months, something that seemed possible at the time. However they had made a major miscalculation, assuming that by the time Argentina mobilized, Brazil would have already surrendered. The Argentinian government had already ordered a limited mobilization and launched in invasion of Paraguay almost immediately after the Paraguayans entered Brazil. Francisco ordered his army forward in the desperate hope that they could knock Brazil out of the war before the Argentinians could do anything meaningful. Just 2 weeks later he came to deeply regret this decision when the Argentinian army set siege to Asuncion. Francisco headed back with 2/3 of the invasion force and left the rest under the command of his general José E. Díaz. Due to some misinformation the, the Brazilian military believed the entire Paraguayan army hd retreated leading to an ambush near Passo Fundo. The Brazilian rout at that battle opened the door to Porto Alegre and the Atlantic coast. The remains of the Paraguayan was able to push up to the coastline near Porto Alegre. With one of their most important cities under threat, the Brazilian army pulled back from Northern Paraguay.

The Argentinian front of the war was going a lot worse for the Paraguayan military, they Argentinian army was able to capture the inner(Southern) parts of Asunción. They entire front devolved into a giant street fight. Thousands of civilians were killed in the fighting, but with sheer numbers, the Paraguayan army was able to drive back the Argentinians. With Brazil out of the war, Argentina no longer saw a reason to continue fighting and ceded Misiones as well as settling the disputed border to Paraguay’s favor.

The other major event of the time was the Second Paraguayan War which was a smaller land war. It featured a Paraguayan blitzkrieg followed by a protracted trench war, far more casualties were caused by disease than enemy action on both sides and need with Brazil ceding almost the entirety of Rio Grande do Sul and letting Paraguay build an even stronger military.

 
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Fix the BB Code first.

And then, please change that thing with your army being the biggest in South America. You can certainly have a strong army, but claiming something like that would be unfair for any other nations in the area.
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New Tuva SSR wrote:Reserving This.

I vaguely think that some of that Arabia was reserved by some sort of a Byzantine Empire, but the rest is free.
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