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Postby The V O I D » Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:11 pm

I am in the Concordat.

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Postby Dansha » Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:11 pm

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Dansha wrote:Hm, could I have some help with figuring out some good strengths and weaknesses for my nations? Kinda drawing a blank.


What do you have so far?

Just that my nation is less advanced than most of the galaxy since I'm doing a tier 4 nation.

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Postby Democratic East-Asia » Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:13 pm

Meanwhile, with everyone else using some sort of railgun, I'm going to think of adding a siege-type ship into my arsenal. They'll be 10 km long, and mass in at roughly a few hundred (300-500) million tons (rough estimates with WW2 ships). Each ship will have one primary linear bombardment cannon (which fires a 1,000,000 ton shell with a built in warp engine to allow it to speed to >0.9 light speed. The idea is something similar to the Railway guns the Germans had during WW2, just in space and more mobile. I went for a relatively equal* shell mass to ship mass in comparison to the German railway gun). Very slow reload, and mostly a one shot wonder, although there are smaller turrets built on it.

Apparently one shot will equal roughly 93.8 teratons of explosive power then. Hmm.

*The math might not be 100% accurate.
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Postby Anowa » Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:15 pm

Democratic East-Asia wrote:Meanwhile, with everyone else using some sort of railgun, I'm going to think of adding a siege-type ship into my arsenal. They'll be 10 km long, and mass in at roughly a few hundred (300-500) million tons (rough estimates with WW2 ships). Each ship will have one primary linear bombardment cannon (which fires a 1,000,000 ton shell with a built in warp engine to allow it to speed to >0.9 light speed. The idea is something similar to the Railway guns the Germans had during WW2, just in space and more mobile. I went for a relatively equal* shell mass to ship mass in comparison to the German railway gun). Very slow reload, and mostly a one shot wonder, although there are smaller turrets built on it.

Apparently one shot will equal roughly 93.8 teratons of explosive power then. Hmm.

*The math might not be 100% accurate.

No.
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Postby Democratic East-Asia » Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:16 pm

Anowa wrote:No.

Why not? It's simply using existing tech and applying it. 25 km ship length was the limit, so I decided to go for something akin to a long range artillery ship. No weird tech involved.
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Postby The Moscow Metro Red Line » Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:16 pm

I'm in the Galactic Concordant. Also on a side note, who else wants to be part of the Military Demonstration and wants to get a post out before I start moving along events? I.E. start the actual demonstration.
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Postby Democratic East-Asia » Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:17 pm

The Moscow Metro Red Line wrote:I'm in the Galactic Concordant. Also on a side note, who else wants to be part of the Military Demonstration and wants to get a post out before I start moving along events? I.E. start the actual demonstration.

I could be part of it, but I have no idea where it is.
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Postby The Hierophancy » Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:18 pm

Democratic East-Asia wrote:Meanwhile, with everyone else using some sort of railgun, I'm going to think of adding a siege-type ship into my arsenal. They'll be 10 km long, and mass in at roughly a few hundred (300-500) million tons (rough estimates with WW2 ships). Each ship will have one primary linear bombardment cannon (which fires a 1,000,000 ton shell with a built in warp engine to allow it to speed to >0.9 light speed. The idea is something similar to the Railway guns the Germans had during WW2, just in space and more mobile. I went for a relatively equal* shell mass to ship mass in comparison to the German railway gun). Very slow reload, and mostly a one shot wonder, although there are smaller turrets built on it.

Apparently one shot will equal roughly 93.8 teratons of explosive power then. Hmm.

*The math might not be 100% accurate.

Puny railguns are nothing in comparison to my duo of lasguns and plasmacasters!
Lasguns provide a focused and continuous stream of damage to disable enemy shields, then the plasmacasters proceed to bathe its hull in super-accelerated, super-heated matter, melting right through it if all goes well.

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Postby Democratic East-Asia » Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:19 pm

The Hierophancy wrote:Puny railguns are nothing in comparison to my duo of lasguns and plasmacasters!
Lasguns provide a focused and continuous stream of damage to disable enemy shields, then the plasmacasters proceed to bathe its hull in super-accelerated, super-heated matter, melting right through it if all goes well.

*Cues why Collective ships specialize against heat-based weapons.

You need railguns comrade. They might look primitive, but sure are strong. Big enough shells ruin anyone's day.
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Postby Relikai » Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:20 pm

Democratic East-Asia wrote:Meanwhile, with everyone else using some sort of railgun, I'm going to think of adding a siege-type ship into my arsenal. They'll be 10 km long, and mass in at roughly a few hundred (300-500) million tons (rough estimates with WW2 ships). Each ship will have one primary linear bombardment cannon (which fires a 1,000,000 ton shell with a built in warp engine to allow it to speed to >0.9 light speed. The idea is something similar to the Railway guns the Germans had during WW2, just in space and more mobile. I went for a relatively equal* shell mass to ship mass in comparison to the German railway gun). Very slow reload, and mostly a one shot wonder, although there are smaller turrets built on it.

Apparently one shot will equal roughly 93.8 teratons of explosive power then. Hmm.

*The math might not be 100% accurate.


My dedicated siege vessel is simply a bombardment ship with its own escort. Dropping bombs and torpedoes, but few other heavy armaments.
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Postby Anowa » Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:21 pm

Democratic East-Asia wrote:
Anowa wrote:No.

Why not? It's simply using existing tech and applying it. 25 km ship length was the limit, so I decided to go for something akin to a long range artillery ship. No weird tech involved.

Because 93.8 Teratons is enough to kill all life on a planet. The impact the killed the dinos was roughly the same for comparison.

The answer is a hard no. and the fact that you think it's acceptable is making me rethink accepting your app in the first place.
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Postby Olimpiada » Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:22 pm

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That super volcano took you to soon

wot? your already dead? no norse death korps in the Divine Pacts armies?

holy shit that would be great. consider it:



Who the fuck cares where this is lmao


The line was holding firm. Nothing was moving. The battle had devolved into trench warfare, anyone daring to show their head immediately having it taken off.

It was, in fact, a stalemate. That's when the charge came.

There are few things more challenging to deal with then staring down a berserker clad in exoskeletal armor wielding two massive battle axes. The general reaction is to shit one's pants. And when the screams of a thousand warriors begging for Valhalla sounded over the hill, that was exactly what the enemy line did. Axes slammed into bodies, sending tentacles and beaks flying everywhere in a storm of metal and blue blood, heralding a rapid advance for the Pact's troops across the line, bringing victory one crucial step closer.


So that would be pretty neato.
Democratic East-Asia wrote:Meanwhile, with everyone else using some sort of railgun, I'm going to think of adding a siege-type ship into my arsenal. They'll be 10 km long, and mass in at roughly a few hundred (300-500) million tons (rough estimates with WW2 ships). Each ship will have one primary linear bombardment cannon (which fires a 1,000,000 ton shell with a built in warp engine to allow it to speed to >0.9 light speed. The idea is something similar to the Railway guns the Germans had during WW2, just in space and more mobile. I went for a relatively equal* shell mass to ship mass in comparison to the German railway gun). Very slow reload, and mostly a one shot wonder, although there are smaller turrets built on it.

Apparently one shot will equal roughly 93.8 teratons of explosive power then. Hmm.

*The math might not be 100% accurate.

Yeah, no. That thing would need to be hundreds of kilometers long, at least. And the recoil on it would send your ship flying backwards at about ninety thousand meters per second.

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Democratic East-Asia wrote:Meanwhile, with everyone else using some sort of railgun, I'm going to think of adding a siege-type ship into my arsenal. They'll be 10 km long, and mass in at roughly a few hundred (300-500) million tons (rough estimates with WW2 ships). Each ship will have one primary linear bombardment cannon (which fires a 1,000,000 ton shell with a built in warp engine to allow it to speed to >0.9 light speed. The idea is something similar to the Railway guns the Germans had during WW2, just in space and more mobile. I went for a relatively equal* shell mass to ship mass in comparison to the German railway gun). Very slow reload, and mostly a one shot wonder, although there are smaller turrets built on it.

Apparently one shot will equal roughly 93.8 teratons of explosive power then. Hmm.

*The math might not be 100% accurate.

Puny railguns are nothing in comparison to my duo of lasguns and plasmacasters!
Lasguns provide a focused and continuous stream of damage to disable enemy shields, then the plasmacasters proceed to bathe its hull in super-accelerated, super-heated matter, melting right through it if all goes well.

You can shield against a laser. You can use armor against it quite well. Same goes for plasma. A railgun? Even if it doesn't splatter your opponent all over the walls, it would certainly send them flying.
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Postby Lunas Legion » Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:23 pm

Democratic East-Asia wrote:
The Hierophancy wrote:Puny railguns are nothing in comparison to my duo of lasguns and plasmacasters!
Lasguns provide a focused and continuous stream of damage to disable enemy shields, then the plasmacasters proceed to bathe its hull in super-accelerated, super-heated matter, melting right through it if all goes well.

*Cues why Collective ships specialize against heat-based weapons.

You need railguns comrade. They might look primitive, but sure are strong. Big enough shells ruin anyone's day.


Doesn't matter how much firepower you have if you can't get in range. Speed and laser weaponry is the name of the game.
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Postby Democratic East-Asia » Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:23 pm

Relikai wrote:
My dedicated siege vessel is simply a bombardment ship with its own escort. Dropping bombs and torpedoes, but few other heavy armaments.

Something along the lines of this. For me.

Might go for a self propelling shell, given the recoil limits. It'll have to accelerate after being fired. Hence the built in warp drive.
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Postby The Hierophancy » Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:23 pm

Democratic East-Asia wrote:
The Hierophancy wrote:Puny railguns are nothing in comparison to my duo of lasguns and plasmacasters!
Lasguns provide a focused and continuous stream of damage to disable enemy shields, then the plasmacasters proceed to bathe its hull in super-accelerated, super-heated matter, melting right through it if all goes well.

*Cues why Collective ships specialize against heat-based weapons.

You need railguns comrade. They might look primitive, but sure are strong. Big enough shells ruin anyone's day.

I doubt any sort of armor composite you possess is able to fully resist a good bouting of plasma. Plus, if they do end up failing, we always have a full volley of anti-matter torpedoes to softer you up a bit. Railguns are nice and all, but if I used every single type of weapon it would be a bit OP, as there wouldn't really be any counter other than a ship that could resist every type of weapon, which also seems a bit OP

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Postby Olimpiada » Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:23 pm

Lunas Legion wrote:
Democratic East-Asia wrote:*Cues why Collective ships specialize against heat-based weapons.

You need railguns comrade. They might look primitive, but sure are strong. Big enough shells ruin anyone's day.


Doesn't matter how much firepower you have if you can't get in range. Speed and laser weaponry is the name of the game.

Yeah, good luck using a point defense system against something that fast.
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Postby The V O I D » Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:24 pm

I would go to the weapons demonstration, but the Xathoi don't bother at technological demonstrations since they aren't interested in that.

In terms of trade, the Xathoi offer their genetic engineering and other biological services/technology, sometimes even being able to cure a wide variety of diseases, even, for a species; in return, they ask for non-sentient/non-sapient animals and such to assimilate/consume and incorporate into future forms.

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Postby Olimpiada » Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:24 pm

The Hierophancy wrote:
Democratic East-Asia wrote:*Cues why Collective ships specialize against heat-based weapons.

You need railguns comrade. They might look primitive, but sure are strong. Big enough shells ruin anyone's day.

I doubt any sort of armor composite you possess is able to fully resist a good bouting of plasma. Plus, if they do end up failing, we always have a full volley of anti-matter torpedoes to softer you up a bit. Railguns are nice and all, but if I used every single type of weapon it would be a bit OP, as there wouldn't really be any counter other than a ship that could resist every type of weapon, which also seems a bit OP

Antimatter torps are hilariously OP. Ten kilos of the shit has a blast size of ten exotons, enough to make that absurd railgun look like a pea shooter.
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Postby Anowa » Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:25 pm

Democratic East-Asia wrote:
Relikai wrote:
My dedicated siege vessel is simply a bombardment ship with its own escort. Dropping bombs and torpedoes, but few other heavy armaments.

Something along the lines of this. For me.

Might go for a self propelling shell, given the recoil limits. It'll have to accelerate after being fired. Hence the built in warp drive.

The answer is a no, no matter what tech or picture you use.
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Postby Olimpiada » Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:26 pm

Anowa wrote:
Democratic East-Asia wrote:Something along the lines of this. For me.

Might go for a self propelling shell, given the recoil limits. It'll have to accelerate after being fired. Hence the built in warp drive.

The answer is a no, no matter what tech or picture you use.

I'd be inclined to agree with this. Mostly because of the absurd size of this thing
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Postby Democratic East-Asia » Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:27 pm

The Hierophancy wrote:I doubt any sort of armor composite you possess is able to fully resist a good bouting of plasma. Plus, if they do end up failing, we always have a full volley of anti-matter torpedoes to softer you up a bit. Railguns are nice and all, but if I used every single type of weapon it would be a bit OP, as there wouldn't really be any counter other than a ship that could resist every type of weapon, which also seems a bit OP

You could have every type of weapon, just not be particularly great at making them. It is true that each has its own specializations. Our ships are meant to be quite tough for their size, but lack in number (we'll most likely be outnumber anywhere from 5-10:1 in any particular large scale battle).

@Anowa: Why no? I don't live without reasons. Self propelled shells aren't too far fetched, seeing that small craft can equip FTL. What's with all the restrictions? I already removed the stuff required.

@Olimpiada: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antimatter_weapon Read this. Antimatter is not as strong as you stated.
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Postby Olimpiada » Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:28 pm

Democratic East-Asia wrote:
The Hierophancy wrote:I doubt any sort of armor composite you possess is able to fully resist a good bouting of plasma. Plus, if they do end up failing, we always have a full volley of anti-matter torpedoes to softer you up a bit. Railguns are nice and all, but if I used every single type of weapon it would be a bit OP, as there wouldn't really be any counter other than a ship that could resist every type of weapon, which also seems a bit OP

You could have every type of weapon, just not be particularly great at making them. It is true that each has its own specializations. Our ships are meant to be quite tough for their size, but lack in number (we'll most likely be outnumber anywhere from 5-10:1 in any particular large scale battle).

@Anowa: Why no? I don't live without reasons.

@Olimpiada: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antimatter_weapon Read this. Antimatter is not as strong as you stated.

I did the math.
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Postby The Hierophancy » Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:28 pm

Olimpiada wrote:
The Hierophancy wrote:wot? your already dead? no norse death korps in the Divine Pacts armies?

holy shit that would be great. consider it:



Who the fuck cares where this is lmao


The line was holding firm. Nothing was moving. The battle had devolved into trench warfare, anyone daring to show their head immediately having it taken off.

It was, in fact, a stalemate. That's when the charge came.

There are few things more challenging to deal with then staring down a berserker clad in exoskeletal armor wielding two massive battle axes. The general reaction is to shit one's pants. And when the screams of a thousand warriors begging for Valhalla sounded over the hill, that was exactly what the enemy line did. Axes slammed into bodies, sending tentacles and beaks flying everywhere in a storm of metal and blue blood, heralding a rapid advance for the Pact's troops across the line, bringing victory one crucial step closer.


So that would be pretty neato.
Democratic East-Asia wrote:Meanwhile, with everyone else using some sort of railgun, I'm going to think of adding a siege-type ship into my arsenal. They'll be 10 km long, and mass in at roughly a few hundred (300-500) million tons (rough estimates with WW2 ships). Each ship will have one primary linear bombardment cannon (which fires a 1,000,000 ton shell with a built in warp engine to allow it to speed to >0.9 light speed. The idea is something similar to the Railway guns the Germans had during WW2, just in space and more mobile. I went for a relatively equal* shell mass to ship mass in comparison to the German railway gun). Very slow reload, and mostly a one shot wonder, although there are smaller turrets built on it.

Apparently one shot will equal roughly 93.8 teratons of explosive power then. Hmm.

*The math might not be 100% accurate.

Yeah, no. That thing would need to be hundreds of kilometers long, at least. And the recoil on it would send your ship flying backwards at about ninety thousand meters per second.

The Hierophancy wrote:Puny railguns are nothing in comparison to my duo of lasguns and plasmacasters!
Lasguns provide a focused and continuous stream of damage to disable enemy shields, then the plasmacasters proceed to bathe its hull in super-accelerated, super-heated matter, melting right through it if all goes well.

You can shield against a laser. You can use armor against it quite well. Same goes for plasma. A railgun? Even if it doesn't splatter your opponent all over the walls, it would certainly send them flying.

You can shield against railguns as well, plus they have limited range, accuracy, and can be shot out of the sky or redirected. Using armor against plasma seems like it would be quite difficult, what with you being bombarded with the heat of a sun. Modern humans have been able heat plasma 3.6 billion degrees Fahrenheit according to livescience - far beyond really any metals melting point, or so I would assume. Energy shielding seems the best way to deflect it, which is why I have lasers to break them down, and/or torpedoes to destroy a shield generator at the source.

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Postby The New Earth Federation » Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:29 pm

Olimpiada wrote:
Anowa wrote:The answer is a no, no matter what tech or picture you use.

I'd be inclined to agree with this. Mostly because of the absurd size of this thing


The power plant on that thing must be at least the size of a small asteroid, depending on what he is using to power it. Also if that thing got destroyed the force a lone would probably destroy a good amount if the system it's in.
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Postby Democratic East-Asia » Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:29 pm

Olimpiada wrote:I did the math.

Anti matter is not that powerful. Were you even paying attention. 1 gram has roughly 40 kilotons of explosive power.
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