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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:05 am

Nonetheless, aren't we allies, I remember accepting a marriage proposal from you?

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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:09 am

Also you have open borders with Minzerland according to what he just told me.....so......that would be awkward if our armies meet in his land.
Also there's major repercussions if our armies fight and damage Austria-Hungarian property.
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Postby Aelex » Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:17 am

FelrikTheDeleted wrote:Navy wise, its like a 40% to 60% ratio concerning who would most likely win, you being the 60%. Other then yourself and possibly Jochi, I have the strongest navy in the Mediterranean, not to mention Minzerland and myself have open borders (Military and Civilian movement), I could walk into France through Switzerland at anytime I like, considering I'm apart of the Orthodox Block, I'll most likely have UMN and Fahrong who have a semi-large navy on my side.

Don't even get me started on how Germany will take this as a chance to invade, not to mention my relations with the Netherlands.

Minzerland won't give you military access throught his land. He know very well that doing so would automatically trigger war with me and I think he would better keep the alliance with me than with you.
Same goes for U.M.N (and possibly Fahrong). I doubt they would be eager to join a war where you would be the one looking like the aggressor with one of the military powerhouse of the world, especially when royal marriages are planned and treaty are being signed.
Moreover, even if they would be ready to relinquish economical and diplomatic advantages, I can still threaten to join Jochi (who I have been both officially and unofficially supporting already) war in response which would tip the balance in Anatolia decisively in his favor, and I'm quite sure that they would not want to relinquish military advantages in top of it.

Assuming that despite all of that, you still get the support of everyone, the Swiss border is one of the most easily defensible border of the country. Even by numbering six to ten time more men than I do, I would still have the advantage thanks to the position and the superiority of my weaponry.

And while you're right for Germany which is the exact reason why I will still leave enough men to defend the border no matter where I'm involved, Netherland is very much part of my Sphère of Influence which makes the odds of him supporting you very low.

Honestly, the war look still very winneable to me. I only have a slight advantage navy wise but a crushing one land and air wise.
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Postby Aelex » Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:18 am

FelrikTheDeleted wrote:A blockade could be seen as a act of war, ya know?

Well, given it is followed by the planned invasion of Spain, it very much is.
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Postby Aelex » Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:20 am

FelrikTheDeleted wrote:Nonetheless, aren't we allies, I remember accepting a marriage proposal from you?

Well yes, that kinda was the point. I'm making royal marriages to ensure the mutual non-aggression and non-intervention in other people's affairs.
But given you seem to be eager to declare war on me for wanting to restore order in an anarchical and dangerous country that is located on my borders...
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Postby Aelex » Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:21 am

FelrikTheDeleted wrote:Also you have open borders with Minzerland according to what he just told me.....so......that would be awkward if our armies meet in his land.
Also there's major repercussions if our armies fight and damage Austria-Hungarian property.

Well yes, Minz is going to become Belgium basically. Letting an army cross his land would mean unofficially declaring war to the other. And I'm sure that's something he don't want.
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Postby Minzerland II » Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:24 am

Aelex wrote:
FelrikTheDeleted wrote:Also you have open borders with Minzerland according to what he just told me.....so......that would be awkward if our armies meet in his land.
Also there's major repercussions if our armies fight and damage Austria-Hungarian property.

Well yes, Minz is going to become Belgium basically. Letting an army cross his land would mean unofficially declaring war to the other. And I'm sure that's something he don't want.

I was planning to detain your army within Switzerland, its defences and manpower more than enough to detain you for some time, and Felrik's, in Transylvania, specifically for the purpose of ending the war effectively. :p
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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:27 am

Aelex wrote:
FelrikTheDeleted wrote:Navy wise, its like a 40% to 60% ratio concerning who would most likely win, you being the 60%. Other then yourself and possibly Jochi, I have the strongest navy in the Mediterranean, not to mention Minzerland and myself have open borders (Military and Civilian movement), I could walk into France through Switzerland at anytime I like, considering I'm apart of the Orthodox Block, I'll most likely have UMN and Fahrong who have a semi-large navy on my side.

Don't even get me started on how Germany will take this as a chance to invade, not to mention my relations with the Netherlands.

Minzerland won't give you military access throught his land. He know very well that doing so would automatically trigger war with me and I think he would better keep the alliance with me than with you.
Same goes for U.M.N (and possibly Fahrong). I doubt they would be eager to join a war where you would be the one looking like the aggressor with one of the military powerhouse of the world, especially when royal marriages are planned and treaty are being signed.
Moreover, even if they would be ready to relinquish economical and diplomatic advantages, I can still threaten to join Jochi (who I have been both officially and unofficially supporting already) war in response which would tip the balance in Anatolia decisively in his favor, and I'm quite sure that they would not want to relinquish military advantages in top of it.

Assuming that despite all of that, you still get the support of everyone, the Swiss border is one of the most easily defensible border of the country. Even by numbering six to ten time more men than I do, I would still have the advantage thanks to the position and the superiority of my weaponry.

And while you're right for Germany which is the exact reason why I will still leave enough men to defend the border no matter where I'm involved, Netherland is very much part of my Sphère of Influence which makes the odds of him supporting you very low.

Honestly, the war look still very winneable to me. I only have a slight advantage navy wise but a crushing one land and air wise.


How would I be the aggressor? you're the one invading my allies and threatening me with an illegal Blockage.
We both have military access to Minzerlands land, however, repreccusions would be enacted should we damage Austria-Hun property.

East Marches owes me a lot of favours, I'm sure he wouldn't be hard to convince.

You be going to war with their ally, and you'd be the aggressor, they (UMN and Fahrong) would support me.

Jochi and Fahrong have come to an agreement on their arguement awhile ago.

Superior weaponry, how can you be so sure that your weaponry is superior to mine.

How many land forces do you have?

The war looks more like a stalemate actually.
This isn't to mention that we're blinded by a royal marriage of which you offered awhile back and I believe by extension can't actually attack my allies.
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Postby Aelex » Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:29 am

Minzerland II wrote:I was planning to detain your army within Switzerland, its defences and manpower more than enough to detain you for some time, and Felrik's, in Transylvania, specifically for the purpose of ending the war effectively. :p

I wouldn't advance. Not as long as I wouldn't finished to crush Spain anyway. But then... :p
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Postby Minzerland II » Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:32 am

Aelex wrote:
Minzerland II wrote:I was planning to detain your army within Switzerland, its defences and manpower more than enough to detain you for some time, and Felrik's, in Transylvania, specifically for the purpose of ending the war effectively. :p

I wouldn't advance. Not as long as I wouldn't finished to crush Spain anyway. But then... :p

You wouldn't be foolish enough to challenge the almost impregnable, impenetrable Swiss redoubt, would you? :p
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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:32 am

Aelex wrote:
FelrikTheDeleted wrote:Nonetheless, aren't we allies, I remember accepting a marriage proposal from you?

Well yes, that kinda was the point. I'm making royal marriages to ensure the mutual non-aggression and non-intervention in other people's affairs.
But given you seem to be eager to declare war on me for wanting to restore order in an anarchical and dangerous country that is located on my borders...


Well he's actually rather peaceful, and I'm willing to stamp out any threat to you (Other than destroying him, himself).

I could try and convince him into giving me the strip of land that borders yours, so as to stop any incidents.
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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:40 am

Correction: A stalemate that leans slightly in your favour.

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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:42 am

I sense a huge ass post coming.

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Postby Aelex » Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:45 am

FelrikTheDeleted wrote:How would I be the aggressor? you're the one invading my allies and threatening me with an illegal Blockage.
We both have military access to Minzerlands land, however, repreccusions would be enacted should we damage Austria-Hun property.

East Marches owes me a lot of favours, I'm sure he wouldn't be hard to convince.

You be going to war with their ally, and you'd be the aggressor, they (UMN and Fahrong) would support me.

Jochi and Fahrong have come to an agreement on their arguement awhile ago.

Superior weaponry, how can you be so sure that your weaponry is superior to mine.

How many land forces do you have?

The war looks more like a stalemate actually.
This isn't to mention that we're blinded by a royal marriage of which you offered awhile back and I believe by extension can't actually attack my allies.

I never threatened to blockade you. Merely said that I was waiting for Britannia to come to help me blockade SPAIN to declare war. And you're looking like the agressor because you're directly threatening to declare war on me (well both me and Britannia actually given that the intervention in Spain is a joint one) for wanting to restore order in a country that fell to Anarchy without going through usual phases of escalation of the conflict.

And a lot of favor sure. Not enough for him to give the finger to the State that is protecting him, giving him weapons to fight his colonials wars and with who he is in general quite bound both economically and even diplomatically (given that we seems to rule over Belgium as a condominium). It's really not realistic for him to throw my support away for favors he owe to you, assuming he don't owe more to me.

Once more, I think you're over-valuing your importance. Fahrong and U.M.N aren't ready to throw themselves into a world conflict just because you reacted too angrily at a joint Franco-Britannian operation to restore order in Spain. The best you can hope for is either total neutrality or them subsidizing you.
Them declaring war to me would be purely foolish.

And, how can I be sure? I'm a great power with a militaristic dogma that precised over and over that he invested more heavily in his land and air force than his navy. If despite that, my underfunded navy still is superior to your own, you can't realistically hope to match me in the domains that are my forte. As for my military population, it's of around 2 700 000 active soldiers (including navy and air force). Which mean that I'm going to have the advantage both in number and technology.

The war is going to be a stalemate only for the time it take Britannia and me to finish destroying the Spanish Communes and put in a place a somewhat coherent government before turning my full attention to you.
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Postby Aelex » Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:48 am

Minzerland II wrote:I wouldn't advance. Not as long as I wouldn't finished to crush Spain anyway. But then... :p

You wouldn't be foolish enough to challenge the almost impregnable, impenetrable Swiss redoubt, would you? :p[/quote]
Nah, bringing war to your country would be very unpolite of mine. I'm more likely to send Paras directly in the Balkans themselves. :p
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Postby Minzerland II » Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:52 am

Aelex wrote:
Minzerland II wrote:You wouldn't be foolish enough to challenge the almost impregnable, impenetrable Swiss redoubt, would you? :p

Nah, bringing war to your country would be very unpolite of mine. I'm more likely to send Paras directly in the Balkans themselves. :p

Jolly. I'll remain neutral in this war, so I maintain your support of my annexation of Venice. :p
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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Sat Oct 22, 2016 3:01 am

Aelex wrote:
FelrikTheDeleted wrote:How would I be the aggressor? you're the one invading my allies and threatening me with an illegal Blockage.
We both have military access to Minzerlands land, however, repreccusions would be enacted should we damage Austria-Hun property.

East Marches owes me a lot of favours, I'm sure he wouldn't be hard to convince.

You be going to war with their ally, and you'd be the aggressor, they (UMN and Fahrong) would support me.

Jochi and Fahrong have come to an agreement on their arguement awhile ago.

Superior weaponry, how can you be so sure that your weaponry is superior to mine.

How many land forces do you have?

The war looks more like a stalemate actually.
This isn't to mention that we're blinded by a royal marriage of which you offered awhile back and I believe by extension can't actually attack my allies.

I never threatened to blockade you. Merely said that I was waiting for Britannia to come to help me blockade SPAIN to declare war. And you're looking like the agressor because you're directly threatening to declare war on me (well both me and Britannia actually given that the intervention in Spain is a joint one) for wanting to restore order in a country that fell to Anarchy without going through usual phases of escalation of the conflict.

And a lot of favor sure. Not enough for him to give the finger to the State that is protecting him, giving him weapons to fight his colonials wars and with who he is in general quite bound both economically and even diplomatically (given that we seems to rule over Belgium as a condominium). It's really not realistic for him to throw my support away for favors he owe to you, assuming he don't owe more to me.

Once more, I think you're over-valuing your importance. Fahrong and U.M.N aren't ready to throw themselves into a world conflict just because you reacted too angrily at a joint Franco-Britannian operation to restore order in Spain. The best you can hope for is either total neutrality or them subsidizing you.
Them declaring war to me would be purely foolish.

And, how can I be sure? I'm a great power with a militaristic dogma that precised over and over that he invested more heavily in his land and air force than his navy. If despite that, my underfunded navy still is superior to your own, you can't realistically hope to match me in the domains that are my forte. As for my military population, it's of around 2 700 000 active soldiers (including navy and air force). Which mean that I'm going to have the advantage both in number and technology.

The war is going to be a stalemate only for the time it take Britannia and me to finish destroying the Spanish Communes and put in a place a somewhat coherent government before turning my full attention to you.


Speak of the devil and it shall appear.

Oh, blockading him, he way you phrased it made it sound like you were threatening me with a blockade, my mistake, nonetheless, you'd still be the aggressor after all you be going to war with my ally therefore declaring war on me first.

Are you supporting the Dutch East Indies? If so, you have a point.

I'm also extremely militaristic, bordering, UMN who is the strongest country in game. 2,700,000! Ha, I have 3,000,000 active troops including navy and Air Force) so I have the numerical advantage, for a great power you're extremely under manned in comparison to a minor power.

I don't know why you want to restore order, the name of their ideology: Anarcho-Communism is extremely misleading, they're basically tiny countries with democracy within Spain the area of Spain, from what he explained to me. They have order.
Like I said before, I could set up a buffer state betwixt the two of you.
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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Sat Oct 22, 2016 3:10 am

This is my ORDAT if you're wondering.

Imperial Balkan Army
Active: 3,000,000
Reserve: 0
Total: 3,000,000

Front Line Equipment (vehicles included):
Disruptive Pattern Camouflage Uniform
Tiered combat helmet
Flak Jacket/Ballistic vest
Grenades
82 millimetre mortar
12.7 Millimetre M2 Heavy Barrel Quick Change Barrel Machine Gun
F88 Styer Aug
Self-Loading Pistol 9 millimetre Mark 3
SR98
Para Minimi
M3 Carl Gustav
M777 155mm lightweight towed howitzer
Light Armoured Vehicles
Army Jeps
And Tanks
And the Boeing F/A-18F Super Hornet strike fighter


The Imperial Balkan Navy
One Battleship
7 Guided Missle, Diesel Electric, Submarines
12 Destroyers
Twenty Patrol Boats
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Formal Nation Name: The Union of Kalmar
Informal Nation Name (optional): Scandianvia
Government Type: Constitutional Monarchy
Head of State: King Frederik VIII
Head of Government: Prime Minister Klaus Berntsen
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Coat of Arms here
Population: 9 million
Military Population: 55,000
Map: Sweden,Norway,Denmark,Iceland,Greenland
History:
During the Napoleonic Wars, Swedish troops invade Norway, back then a part of Denmark. As the year became 1815, Denmark yielded, and was forced to cede Norway to Sweden. With Denmark weakened, they focused on internal politics, becoming one of the most liberal nations in the world. Denmark also negioated treaty after treaty with Sweden, untill finally in 1891, the Swedish king died. In his will, he said ''If my son is dead, let the throne of Sweden pass to the oldest son of the king of Denmark'' As it happened, the son died a day afterwards. Frederik VIII was given the throne of Sweden, and when his father died, he united the two countries to form the Union of Kalmar.
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Postby Minzerland II » Sat Oct 22, 2016 3:25 am

Finally. Someone chose Scandinavia.
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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Sat Oct 22, 2016 3:41 am

Minzerland II wrote:Finally. Someone chose Scandinavia.


God that took forever.

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Postby Aelex » Sat Oct 22, 2016 3:43 am

FelrikTheDeleted wrote:Speak of the devil and it shall appear.

Oh, blockading him, he way you phrased it made it sound like you were threatening me with a blockade, my mistake, nonetheless, you'd still be the aggressor after all you be going to war with my ally therefore declaring war on me first.

Are you supporting the Dutch East Indies? If so, you have a point.

I'm also extremely militaristic, bordering, UMN who is the strongest country in game. 2,700,000! Ha, I have 3,000,000 active troops including navy and Air Force) so I have the numerical advantage, for a great power you're extremely under manned in comparison to a minor power.

I don't know why you want to restore order, the name of their ideology: Anarcho-Communism is extremely misleading, they're basically tiny countries with democracy within Spain the area of Spain, from what he explained to me. They have order.
Like I said before, I could set up a buffer state betwixt the two of you.

That's not how things work. If you declare war immediately without trying to find a diplomatic solution, you look like the one who's at fault. Especially when you're basically opposing a peace keeping operation.

And mate, you should be the first to know that bigger isn't always better. :p (please don't hurt me for this joke), also yes, I notice that I didn't took the colonies that I spent years ethnic cleansing into being good french clay into account when making the initial calculs. My military population making 1.2% of my population, my number of active soldier is actually of 8 100 000. I will have to make my ORBAT soon anyway.
So... Yeah. I do outnumber and outtechnology you in definitive. :p

Also, all of that is just politic. I want to create a puppet state in Spain and the fact that the governement system has a name that may look dangerous is a good enough motive to justify war.
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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Sat Oct 22, 2016 3:56 am

Aelex wrote:
FelrikTheDeleted wrote:Speak of the devil and it shall appear.

Oh, blockading him, he way you phrased it made it sound like you were threatening me with a blockade, my mistake, nonetheless, you'd still be the aggressor after all you be going to war with my ally therefore declaring war on me first.

Are you supporting the Dutch East Indies? If so, you have a point.

I'm also extremely militaristic, bordering, UMN who is the strongest country in game. 2,700,000! Ha, I have 3,000,000 active troops including navy and Air Force) so I have the numerical advantage, for a great power you're extremely under manned in comparison to a minor power.

I don't know why you want to restore order, the name of their ideology: Anarcho-Communism is extremely misleading, they're basically tiny countries with democracy within Spain the area of Spain, from what he explained to me. They have order.
Like I said before, I could set up a buffer state betwixt the two of you.

That's not how things work. If you declare war immediately without trying to find a diplomatic solution, you look like the one who's at fault. Especially when you're basically opposing a peace keeping operation.

And mate, you should be the first to know that bigger isn't always better. :p (please don't hurt me for this joke), also yes, I notice that I didn't took the colonies that I spent years ethnic cleansing into being good french clay into account when making the initial calculs. My military population making 1.2% of my population, my number of active soldier is actually of 8 100 000. I will have to make my ORBAT soon anyway.
So... Yeah. I do outnumber and outtechnology you in definitive. :p

Also, all of that is just politic. I want to create a puppet state in Spain and the fact that the governement system has a name that may look dangerous is a good enough motive to justify war.


That is how it works actually, you would be the aggressor because you'd be instigating a war. I never said I wouldn't attempt at diplomacy, however I doubt you would agree to any diplomatic actions anyway.

Are you referring to my military or UMN, because if you're referring to UMN, in this case it does matter, because he, Ashkera and Void are the strongest nations in game; army wise no it doesn't always matter, also are you sure you didn't just upgrade your amount of men for your own convenience.
Also being next to UMN has the advantage of giving me recent knowledge and equipment concerning military technology, we're either equal in technological equipment, slightly ahead of you, or you're slightly ahead of me, I'm also a friend of Minzerland of which is extremely militaristic too.
You definitely don't out-tech me by a long stretch.

Except any government with a brain probably realises that the name is extremely misleading, nonetheless, as much as I like Mattopolis, I'm not going to risk a Great War over him.
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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Sat Oct 22, 2016 4:11 am

Also it isn't a peace keeping operation, you're invading a land with order, it isn't a dangerous place to live.

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Postby Aelex » Sat Oct 22, 2016 4:31 am

FelrikTheDeleted wrote:That is how it works actually, you would be the aggressor because you'd be instigating a war. I never said I wouldn't attempt at diplomacy, however I doubt you would agree to any diplomatic actions anyway.

Are you referring to my military or UMN, because if you're referring to UMN, in this case it does matter, because he, Ashkera and Void are the strongest nations in game; army wise no it doesn't always matter, also are you sure you didn't just upgrade your amount of men for your own convenience.
Also being next to UMN has the advantage of giving me recent knowledge and equipment concerning military technology, we're either equal in technological equipment, slightly ahead of you, or you're slightly ahead of me, I'm also a friend of Minzerland of which is extremely militaristic too.
You definitely don't out-tech me by a long stretch.

Except any government with a brain probably realises that the name is extremely misleading, nonetheless, as much as I like Mattopolis, I'm not going to risk a Great War over him.

What is happening is basically Irak. Declaring war over a peace-keeping operation (or at least something that is turned as so) while automatically make you look like the baddie even if you would technically be right to oppose said war.

Ashkera? The strongest nation in the game? I mean sure, they're a force to be reckoned with but they're by no mean a world power.
Also, don't underestimate Britannia and me. We are basically the second and third biggest Empire after Russia and have a little more than half a billion population each in top of controlling a shit load of the raw precious ressources. And it's for that very reason I upgraded my amount of men. I had less than 0.2% of my population in the military which made litteraly no sense. Now I've 1.2% which makes way more given that I'm supposed to be a militaristic and imperialist power.

And knowledge of recent military technology don't actually mean owning recent military technology. It cost a lot of money to actually equip your men with them and what is already putting a big strain on the budget of rich nations should put an even bigger on smaller and less rich ones like your. Thinking that you only have a "slight" disadvantage sound honestly like you're trying to cheat your way here.
I mean, I'm by no way an all mighty power and am matched and even bested by a lot of other countries but there is no realistic denying that my army is stronger than your and not "by a small edge".
Citoyen Français. Bonapartiste Républicain (aka De Gaule's Gaullisme) with Keynesian leanings on economics. Latin Christian.

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