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Kerbodine
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Postby Kerbodine » Fri Oct 14, 2016 5:16 am

Kazarogkai wrote:Something to keep in mind for you Superior is that well.. you don't have a sea coast. As such a battleship wouldn't exactly be all that useful to you and if you id get access to one it would be confined to those lakes of your since well a battleship is a little too big to properly go down a river even the likes of the Mississippi. I imagine Monitors, which were excellent brown water craft, would be far more useful in your case. Just putting it out there.

Have you seen the size of some of those ships on the Great Lakes?? They can travel all the way to the ocean. True, I'd need to expand the canal that goes around Niagra Falls, but my nation might be willing to do that, as it will definitely be useful in the future.

Also, NO, NO AIR RACE. I absolutely REFUSE to have technology SPRINT a DECADE EARLY. The first lighter and heavier than air designs that were even mildly practical and that even the worst government would even THINK about purchasing are still a FULL DECADE AHEAD in real life, and TOOK PLACE because the REST of technology advanced, especially light petrol engines. PLEASE don't rush forwards, I think technology should approximately meet real-life deadlines (with the exception pretty much being whenever our World War[s] starts, as that will surely jump military tech forward during its course).

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Postby The Valyria Empire » Fri Oct 14, 2016 5:17 am

Holoska wrote:Also, a thing. Given the rate at which this RP is going, it should be noted that construction of big projects like canals will take a few years in the RP, so quite a long time. Just a fair warning.

Good thing is that my major canal (The Suez Canal) is already completed.

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Postby Newne Carriebean7 » Fri Oct 14, 2016 5:48 am

Kazarogkai wrote:Something to keep in mind for you Superior is that well.. you don't have a sea coast. As such a battleship wouldn't exactly be all that useful to you and if you id get access to one it would be confined to those lakes of your since well a battleship is a little too big to properly go down a river even the likes of the Mississippi. I imagine Monitors, which were excellent brown water craft, would be far more useful in your case. Just putting it out there.

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The New Byzantine II
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Postby The New Byzantine II » Fri Oct 14, 2016 5:49 am

Kerbodine wrote:
Kazarogkai wrote:Something to keep in mind for you Superior is that well.. you don't have a sea coast. As such a battleship wouldn't exactly be all that useful to you and if you id get access to one it would be confined to those lakes of your since well a battleship is a little too big to properly go down a river even the likes of the Mississippi. I imagine Monitors, which were excellent brown water craft, would be far more useful in your case. Just putting it out there.

Have you seen the size of some of those ships on the Great Lakes?? They can travel all the way to the ocean. True, I'd need to expand the canal that goes around Niagra Falls, but my nation might be willing to do that, as it will definitely be useful in the future.

Also, NO, NO AIR RACE. I absolutely REFUSE to have technology SPRINT a DECADE EARLY. The first lighter and heavier than air designs that were even mildly practical and that even the worst government would even THINK about purchasing are still a FULL DECADE AHEAD in real life, and TOOK PLACE because the REST of technology advanced, especially light petrol engines. PLEASE don't rush forwards, I think technology should approximately meet real-life deadlines (with the exception pretty much being whenever our World War[s] starts, as that will surely jump military tech forward during its course).


I kinda actually agree on this one.
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Postby The Valyria Empire » Fri Oct 14, 2016 6:06 am

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Kerbodine wrote:Have you seen the size of some of those ships on the Great Lakes?? They can travel all the way to the ocean. True, I'd need to expand the canal that goes around Niagra Falls, but my nation might be willing to do that, as it will definitely be useful in the future.

Also, NO, NO AIR RACE. I absolutely REFUSE to have technology SPRINT a DECADE EARLY. The first lighter and heavier than air designs that were even mildly practical and that even the worst government would even THINK about purchasing are still a FULL DECADE AHEAD in real life, and TOOK PLACE because the REST of technology advanced, especially light petrol engines. PLEASE don't rush forwards, I think technology should approximately meet real-life deadlines (with the exception pretty much being whenever our World War[s] starts, as that will surely jump military tech forward during its course).


I kinda actually agree on this one.

I second this, while sure we have Alt history and some nations should be less advanced than others, I don't think we should be jumping ahead technology wise.

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Postby Danceria » Fri Oct 14, 2016 6:13 am

The Valyria Empire wrote:
The New Byzantine II wrote:
I kinda actually agree on this one.

I second this, while sure we have Alt history and some nations should be less advanced than others, I don't think we should be jumping ahead technology wise.

So, OP, on a scale of one to ten, how mad would you be if I intended to annex the islands of Puerto Rico and Hispanola?
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Postby The New Byzantine II » Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:10 am

I will wait for Iberia's post in IC and then after he post, that's where I post also.
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Postby Republic Of Varra » Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:20 am

The Valyria Empire wrote:
The New Byzantine II wrote:
I kinda actually agree on this one.

I second this, while sure we have Alt history and some nations should be less advanced than others, I don't think we should be jumping ahead technology wise.


Okay. Then you keep doing you, and I'll start designing airplanes alone. Also a decade? The first airplane that I had an idea for actually taking off was in 1902. Zeppelines also are in the planning stage right now. So the German government shall be working on this.

Besides, do you think that they just automatically make airplanes? This will be an extremely long process of a large amount of trial and error.
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Postby Kerbodine » Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:55 am

Republic Of Varra wrote:
The Valyria Empire wrote:I second this, while sure we have Alt history and some nations should be less advanced than others, I don't think we should be jumping ahead technology wise.


Okay. Then you keep doing you, and I'll start designing airplanes alone. Also a decade? The first airplane that I had an idea for actually taking off was in 1902. Zeppelines also are in the planning stage right now. So the German government shall be working on this.

Besides, do you think that they just automatically make airplanes? This will be an extremely long process of a large amount of trial and error.

Understandable, but it wasn't due to government that these things were built. The earliest flying vehicles were all from private enterprise, and weren't largely produced until fairly long after. I just really don't want everyone to have nukes by 1910, which would happen if we started leaping forward in tech like that...

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Postby Republic Of Varra » Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:00 am

Kerbodine wrote:
Republic Of Varra wrote:
Okay. Then you keep doing you, and I'll start designing airplanes alone. Also a decade? The first airplane that I had an idea for actually taking off was in 1902. Zeppelines also are in the planning stage right now. So the German government shall be working on this.

Besides, do you think that they just automatically make airplanes? This will be an extremely long process of a large amount of trial and error.

Understandable, but it wasn't due to government that these things were built. The earliest flying vehicles were all from private enterprise, and weren't largely produced until fairly long after. I just really don't want everyone to have nukes by 1910, which would happen if we started leaping forward in tech like that...


Well, with the advent of the Zeppelin in development, the German government found it necessary to persue, in this timeline, advances in air and flying craft. They are backing this, because of tensions in Europe being much earlier than later. They would like a technological edge on their opponents no? Although the Zeppelin program is going to be worked on MUCH more, because the "flying plane" thing is mostly a hunch, but they believe they can do it given time.
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Postby Kazarogkai » Fri Oct 14, 2016 9:15 am

Kerbodine wrote:Also, NO, NO AIR RACE. I absolutely REFUSE to have technology SPRINT a DECADE EARLY. The first lighter and heavier than air designs that were even mildly practical and that even the worst government would even THINK about purchasing are still a FULL DECADE AHEAD in real life, and TOOK PLACE because the REST of technology advanced, especially light petrol engines. PLEASE don't rush forwards, I think technology should approximately meet real-life deadlines (with the exception pretty much being whenever our World War[s] starts, as that will surely jump military tech forward during its course).


I personally am with you to a degree on this one. Though I know this is alternate history for the most part I believe we should more or less be rather conservative when it comes to tech advancements. I would apply a +/- 5 year rule whereby a given technology(say airplanes) cannot be discovered or made viable earlier than 5 years nor later than 5 years give or take. Of course there will b exceptions, say in the case of a world war technology has the tendency to accelerate in times like that. Still id rather we not have panzer IVs and nuclear weapons by 1910 or some other ridiculous thing like that.
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Postby Kazarogkai » Fri Oct 14, 2016 9:34 am

Danceria wrote:
The Valyria Empire wrote:I second this, while sure we have Alt history and some nations should be less advanced than others, I don't think we should be jumping ahead technology wise.

So, OP, on a scale of one to ten, how mad would you be if I intended to annex the islands of Puerto Rico and Hispanola?


Not exactly the smartest plan. Haitians are a mean bunch and if the french couldn't keep them down what makes you think you can? I suggest you avoid that portion. The Dominican Republic may be more palatable considering it is spanish speaking and has a history of instability as such they might not mind joining forces with a strong nation like yours. Also I puerto rico in OTL was a spanish colony and remained so for quite while. Though that is not the case in this Timeline the Iberians never the less may take offense at you messing with it, so be careful. Not only that remember when I said Georgia is still rather sour about central america? Though yes no longer are they and Haiti best friends taking them over them wouldn't exactly be the best plan to keep on their good side and would most certainly give them a rather surly disposition for the simple fact that you are expanding into their neighborhood.

Remember all decisions have consequences. In this case you may end up with a coalition on your with Iberia, Georgia, and possibly even Texas and California joining the party. Keep such things in mind for all decisions you make have both long and short term consequences.
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Postby Republic Of Varra » Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:01 am

Kazarogkai wrote:
Kerbodine wrote:Also, NO, NO AIR RACE. I absolutely REFUSE to have technology SPRINT a DECADE EARLY. The first lighter and heavier than air designs that were even mildly practical and that even the worst government would even THINK about purchasing are still a FULL DECADE AHEAD in real life, and TOOK PLACE because the REST of technology advanced, especially light petrol engines. PLEASE don't rush forwards, I think technology should approximately meet real-life deadlines (with the exception pretty much being whenever our World War[s] starts, as that will surely jump military tech forward during its course).


I personally am with you to a degree on this one. Though I know this is alternate history for the most part I believe we should more or less be rather conservative when it comes to tech advancements. I would apply a +/- 5 year rule whereby a given technology(say airplanes) cannot be discovered or made viable earlier than 5 years nor later than 5 years give or take. Of course there will b exceptions, say in the case of a world war technology has the tendency to accelerate in times like that. Still id rather we not have panzer IVs and nuclear weapons by 1910 or some other ridiculous thing like that.


Again, the first viable aircraft will be around 1902 to 1904 as stated in a post above. There won't be nuclear bombs in 1910. That's quite blown out of proportion.
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Postby The Valyria Empire » Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:25 am

Republic Of Varra wrote:
Kazarogkai wrote:
I personally am with you to a degree on this one. Though I know this is alternate history for the most part I believe we should more or less be rather conservative when it comes to tech advancements. I would apply a +/- 5 year rule whereby a given technology(say airplanes) cannot be discovered or made viable earlier than 5 years nor later than 5 years give or take. Of course there will b exceptions, say in the case of a world war technology has the tendency to accelerate in times like that. Still id rather we not have panzer IVs and nuclear weapons by 1910 or some other ridiculous thing like that.


Again, the first viable aircraft will be around 1902 to 1904 as stated in a post above. There won't be nuclear bombs in 1910. That's quite blown out of proportion.

The nuclear bomb thing was more of a metaphor. We don't want someone having such powerful tech at that point is his point.

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Postby Holoska » Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:41 am

I love how we're so selectively historically accurate. Really brings out the frustration of the whole thing.

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Postby Kerbodine » Fri Oct 14, 2016 11:53 am

Holoska wrote:I love how we're so selectively historically accurate. Really brings out the frustration of the whole thing.

While you stealing Samuel Clemens and Abraham Lincoln, and certain countries that were historically unfeasible in our timeline being a thing (i.e. Byzantines) are acceptable because we can somewhat rationally explain it, to have working Zeppelins depended on all sorts of other technologies (as in, if one piece of tech works, everything else will go jumping forward too; at our time, long-distance telephone and practical automobiles were still the things of science fiction). I think I was set off by Texas, who also wants to pursue having an airship fleet... It's just as much a 'balance' thing as a 'realism' thing.
Just remember: we have to have technology balance, Because it's 1891.

Anyway, at least the Wright Brothers and a few good engine companies are from the good ol' Midwest, and Akron, Ohio will soon come to be known as the 'Rubber Capital of the World'...

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Postby Holoska » Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:01 pm

Kerbodine wrote:
Holoska wrote:I love how we're so selectively historically accurate. Really brings out the frustration of the whole thing.

While you stealing Samuel Clemens and Abraham Lincoln, and certain countries that were historically unfeasible in our timeline being a thing (i.e. Byzantines) are acceptable because we can somewhat rationally explain it, to have working Zeppelins depended on all sorts of other technologies (as in, if one piece of tech works, everything else will go jumping forward too; at our time, long-distance telephone and practical automobiles were still the things of science fiction). I think I was set off by Texas, who also wants to pursue having an airship fleet... It's just as much a 'balance' thing as a 'realism' thing.
Just remember: we have to have technology balance, Because it's 1891.

Anyway, at least the Wright Brothers and a few good engine companies are from the good ol' Midwest, and Akron, Ohio will soon come to be known as the 'Rubber Capital of the World'...


What say you to Tesla making California an electrical nation based on his designs? They were practical for their time, just pushed back because of Edison. I don't really expect to have things like death rays, just things like practical electric cars and less dependence on oil and things like that.

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Postby Republic Of Varra » Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:15 pm

Well, I'm going to go ahead with the air race. Do not worry, planes won't be viable until early 1900s,and not really combat ready until ww1. Nothing much will be changed in that respect, just that the German government is interested in such advancements. Zeppelins come out around the same time, so that will be a thing. A year advancement on tech is not going to effect much.

By the way, I started this so other governments could get involved in this for their own intrests. Hence why it's calles, "The air race". If other countries don't want to join, that's fine.
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Postby The Valyria Empire » Fri Oct 14, 2016 1:45 pm

AtlantisB wrote:Hmmm, what's the significance of 1891? The turning point for the dominance of imperialism was 1914, when the century-long reign of Pax Britannica (British peace) ended ignominiously and the world was plunged into an era of never-ending total war.

Cause that's what the OP decided on cause people wanted some time to get their engines started before the 1900s. Also keep posts like these in the OOC and not the IC.

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Postby Newne Carriebean7 » Fri Oct 14, 2016 1:55 pm

Kerbodine wrote: I think I was set off by Texas, who also wants to pursue having an airship fleet...

only a few select people, such as the man that is unstable and a nutjob, Richard, actually want an airship fleet, and the cost alone would be enough to set off the production of it, I may be getting buddy buddy with the uberDeutschland Germany to steal scientific advancements and claim them as our own share technology with them.
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Postby Trotza » Fri Oct 14, 2016 2:23 pm

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Postby Republic Of Varra » Fri Oct 14, 2016 3:09 pm

The V O I D wrote:Working on an IC post for Scandinavia. Gonna have a diplomatic meeting with Germania.


Oh cool.
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Group Name: The Alliance to Restore the Emperor
Alternative Names: Imperial Pretenders; the Tozama; Ishinshishi; the Shinnoke
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Group Type: Imperial Restoration/Popular Uprising
Group Leader[s]: The Sessho and Kampaku [Prince Taisei and Imperial Retainer Minamoto no Genji]; The 4 Imperial Regents [Katsura-no-miya Sumihito, Arisugawa-no-miya Yoruhito, Fushimi-no-miya Hironaru, Kan'in-no-miya Hatsuhito]The 4 Noble Lords [Lord Minamoto no Genji, Lord Taira no Hei, Lord Fujiwara no Oshu, and Lord Tachibana no Kusunoki]; and The Southern Lords [Lord Shimazu and Lord Mori]


Group Location: Japan; centered around Taiwan, Southern Korea, and Southern Japan (Kyushu, Shikoku, and Western Honshu)
Group Population: 805,000
Group Security Population: 70,000
History of Group:With historic distraught with the Shogun, tensions sparked a high against the Shogunate, as the Shogun himself claimed ascendancy to the Japanese Imperial throne. A disrespect and unthinkable motion for Japan, the Southern clans who saw the most grievances upon them, revolted against the government, leading them, a retainer of Katsura-no-miya who unified divided Imperial loyalists factions, aligning themselves to restore the Imperial line with one of the princes from the Shinnoke, currently Prince Taisei of Fushimi-no-miya, and in succession, their own power as well. Outside their group, they've had widespread popularity with traditionalist and other noble lords.
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Postby The V O I D » Fri Oct 14, 2016 5:05 pm

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