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Postby Tracian Empire » Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:14 am

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Dude. They're mooks and he's easily in the top five fastest characters in the game as of then.

Of course he'd get wounded over an actual fight with say, Dremo or hell even Noblemind Even though I still maintain my position that she wouldn't win because her style is way too rash and brutal.. Of course he'd get hurt in a player fight.

Here in an NPC fight, it's hardly a thing.

Dude, he has no weapons. And even if he is one of the fastest characters, as I explained, there is no CQC system in SAO. He would be dependent on martial art skills, that if he has them, since as I explained, they're very rare.

And it's not necessarily that. All characters have their strong points, and it's quite obvious that they won't lose against NPC's unless previously agreed upon. But it's about the mentality. Where is the fun for the others if there is always this character that claims that he can never be defeated, and never slows down, not even in a situation when he is in an obvious disadvantage?


And then I also explained that the NPC's aren't exactly mooks. They're supposed to be the elite of the Dark Paladins. So at the very least on the level of Laughing Coffin, to put it on something you can compare it to.
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Postby Serah » Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:25 am

Tracian Empire wrote:
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Dude. They're mooks and he's easily in the top five fastest characters in the game as of then.

Of course he'd get wounded over an actual fight with say, Dremo or hell even Noblemind Even though I still maintain my position that she wouldn't win because her style is way too rash and brutal.. Of course he'd get hurt in a player fight.

Here in an NPC fight, it's hardly a thing.

Dude, he has no weapons. And even if he is one of the fastest characters, as I explained, there is no CQC system in SAO. He would be dependent on martial art skills, that if he has them, since as I explained, they're very rare.

And it's not necessarily that. All characters have their strong points, and it's quite obvious that they won't lose against NPC's unless previously agreed upon. But it's about the mentality. Where is the fun for the others if there is always this character that claims that he can never be defeated, and never slows down, not even in a situation when he is in an obvious disadvantage?


He has no weapons, maybe. But as you've seen, you don't just need to use sword skills to use a sword.
Just like you don't need to be using martial arts skills to use your fists, as it's been seen before. Additionally, sword skills can still be used, as Kirito himself demonstrated in the anime.

And for that last argument, I could say the same.
What is the fun in having only humble characters that are only varying shades of broken that will only fight when needed, only attack on their own when snapping?
What is the point of not having that one guy? It's literally his whole character, he claims he's unbeatable, but that is still far from the case.
As for slowing down, why the fuck would you slow down when you don't care about your life? It's literally Noblemind in a nutshell.

Tracian Empire wrote:And then I also explained that the NPC's aren't exactly mooks. They're supposed to be the elite of the Dark Paladins. So at the very least on the level of Laughing Coffin, to put it on something you can compare it to.


They are basically mooks to Lios.
Not only is he fast, he has Alrick to back him up, additionally, he isn't fighting to kill here, he's fighting to incapacitate.
And using his fists to do that is much easier than using a sword due to the lack of ability to parry.

Of course they have an advantage because of their weapons, but the sheer amount of previous experience makes their point moot.

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Postby Tracian Empire » Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:40 am

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Tracian Empire wrote:Dude, he has no weapons. And even if he is one of the fastest characters, as I explained, there is no CQC system in SAO. He would be dependent on martial art skills, that if he has them, since as I explained, they're very rare.

And it's not necessarily that. All characters have their strong points, and it's quite obvious that they won't lose against NPC's unless previously agreed upon. But it's about the mentality. Where is the fun for the others if there is always this character that claims that he can never be defeated, and never slows down, not even in a situation when he is in an obvious disadvantage?


He has no weapons, maybe. But as you've seen, you don't just need to use sword skills to use a sword.
Just like you don't need to be using martial arts skills to use your fists, as it's been seen before. Additionally, sword skills can still be used, as Kirito himself demonstrated in the anime.

And for that last argument, I could say the same.
What is the fun in having only humble characters that are only varying shades of broken that will only fight when needed, only attack on their own when snapping?
What is the point of not having that one guy? It's literally his whole character, he claims he's unbeatable, but that is still far from the case.
As for slowing down, why the fuck would you slow down when you don't care about your life? It's literally Noblemind in a nutshell.

Tracian Empire wrote:And then I also explained that the NPC's aren't exactly mooks. They're supposed to be the elite of the Dark Paladins. So at the very least on the level of Laughing Coffin, to put it on something you can compare it to.


They are basically mooks to Lios.
Not only is he fast, he has Alrick to back him up, additionally, he isn't fighting to kill here, he's fighting to incapacitate.
And using his fists to do that is much easier than using a sword due to the lack of ability to parry.

Of course they have an advantage because of their weapons, but the sheer amount of previous experience makes their point moot.


All of those things are true indeed, but that still doesn't translate into a character being able to fight in close quarters just like in real life. There is a good reason for why not even the best characters of SAO fight around without weapons. You can indeed use your fists, and certain sword skills depending on what they are, but you are fighting against armored players with actual weapons and actual sword skills.

Then, he can certainly act like that, it's his character, I understand. However until now, he hasn't shown the least amount of weakness. You continue to claim that he would easily beat several other characters. He has weird skills that seem to be really powerful, but that are lost in apps that are probably somewhere in a lot of threads back. So I certainly hope that you can see how at least a general opinion that Lios is too OP could form.


He might be fast indeed, but his speed is irrelevant in front of a wall of spears. Fighting to incapacitate is also far more difficult to do, considering the situation. And using his fists against armed enemies is seriously rather ridiculous. Without any skills, and leaving aside the comic of the situation in which Asuna hit Kirito, fists aren't really effective, especially against armored players. Especially against armored and armed players with their own skills.

And the weapons aren't their only advantage. They have the numbers, the situation, and the ability to completely use weapon skills on their side. They also have more than enough experience, since they're supposed to be elite members of one of the best PK guilds around, and now, when the plot isn't necessarily against them, I wouldn't consider them weak.
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Postby Serah » Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:34 pm

Tracian Empire wrote:
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He has no weapons, maybe. But as you've seen, you don't just need to use sword skills to use a sword.
Just like you don't need to be using martial arts skills to use your fists, as it's been seen before. Additionally, sword skills can still be used, as Kirito himself demonstrated in the anime.

And for that last argument, I could say the same.
What is the fun in having only humble characters that are only varying shades of broken that will only fight when needed, only attack on their own when snapping?
What is the point of not having that one guy? It's literally his whole character, he claims he's unbeatable, but that is still far from the case.
As for slowing down, why the fuck would you slow down when you don't care about your life? It's literally Noblemind in a nutshell.



They are basically mooks to Lios.
Not only is he fast, he has Alrick to back him up, additionally, he isn't fighting to kill here, he's fighting to incapacitate.
And using his fists to do that is much easier than using a sword due to the lack of ability to parry.

Of course they have an advantage because of their weapons, but the sheer amount of previous experience makes their point moot.


All of those things are true indeed, but that still doesn't translate into a character being able to fight in close quarters just like in real life. There is a good reason for why not even the best characters of SAO fight around without weapons. You can indeed use your fists, and certain sword skills depending on what they are, but you are fighting against armored players with actual weapons and actual sword skills.

Then, he can certainly act like that, it's his character, I understand. However until now, he hasn't shown the least amount of weakness. You continue to claim that he would easily beat several other characters. He has weird skills that seem to be really powerful, but that are lost in apps that are probably somewhere in a lot of threads back. So I certainly hope that you can see how at least a general opinion that Lios is too OP could form.


He might be fast indeed, but his speed is irrelevant in front of a wall of spears. Fighting to incapacitate is also far more difficult to do, considering the situation. And using his fists against armed enemies is seriously rather ridiculous. Without any skills, and leaving aside the comic of the situation in which Asuna hit Kirito, fists aren't really effective, especially against armored players. Especially against armored and armed players with their own skills.

And the weapons aren't their only advantage. They have the numbers, the situation, and the ability to completely use weapon skills on their side. They also have more than enough experience, since they're supposed to be elite members of one of the best PK guilds around, and now, when the plot isn't necessarily against them, I wouldn't consider them weak.


Well theoretically, he could still nope out the wall of spears with Alrick lifting him up when dashing up in the air.

But since the fact that you don't seem to remember his skills, I'll get you up to speed with them.

Unique Skill: Ghost connection:

Lios in the real world has an odd form of what one would call schizophrenia, in the way that he hears the voice of his ancestor, Alrick, in his mind. In the game however, Alrick manifested himself physically as an extension of Lios himself, meaning that if he gets hit, Lios does as well.
However, Alrick himself doesn't follow the same rules as players, things like gravity for instance do not exist for him. As he simply floats and barely ever fights with a solid grip on the ground.
However, he is still solid, and won't be able to phase through walls/swords or anything of the sort.
Though that means he can interact with Lios himself, as such, one of their techniques is to 'fly' by letting Lios dash up, then get held by Alrick, rinse and repeat.

Alrick can fight, and is about, if not faster due to the fact he floats, than Lios himself. However, if he chooses to, he can just not appear and phase back into Lios, or manifest himself in the form of a spare arm, leg, or even head at times. Making for a great disguise at the halloween events.

Phantom step: A skill developed through Ghost connection that makes for a nigh instant movement in a radius of fifteen meters starting from his position.
The activation of the skill is almost immediate, and has a very short cooldown of one to six seconds depending on Lios's health bar and overall energy.
The skill in itself isn't offensive, and nor Lios or Alrick can make any attacks during the movement.

The movement itself takes from a half second to one and a half, again depending on his health and overall energy.

Aside from that, he uses skills that he made himself that aren't registered as actual sword skills but could very well be.

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Postby Tracian Empire » Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:42 pm

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All of those things are true indeed, but that still doesn't translate into a character being able to fight in close quarters just like in real life. There is a good reason for why not even the best characters of SAO fight around without weapons. You can indeed use your fists, and certain sword skills depending on what they are, but you are fighting against armored players with actual weapons and actual sword skills.

Then, he can certainly act like that, it's his character, I understand. However until now, he hasn't shown the least amount of weakness. You continue to claim that he would easily beat several other characters. He has weird skills that seem to be really powerful, but that are lost in apps that are probably somewhere in a lot of threads back. So I certainly hope that you can see how at least a general opinion that Lios is too OP could form.


He might be fast indeed, but his speed is irrelevant in front of a wall of spears. Fighting to incapacitate is also far more difficult to do, considering the situation. And using his fists against armed enemies is seriously rather ridiculous. Without any skills, and leaving aside the comic of the situation in which Asuna hit Kirito, fists aren't really effective, especially against armored players. Especially against armored and armed players with their own skills.

And the weapons aren't their only advantage. They have the numbers, the situation, and the ability to completely use weapon skills on their side. They also have more than enough experience, since they're supposed to be elite members of one of the best PK guilds around, and now, when the plot isn't necessarily against them, I wouldn't consider them weak.


Well theoretically, he could still nope out the wall of spears with Alrick lifting him up when dashing up in the air.

But since the fact that you don't seem to remember his skills, I'll get you up to speed with them.

Unique Skill: Ghost connection:

Lios in the real world has an odd form of what one would call schizophrenia, in the way that he hears the voice of his ancestor, Alrick, in his mind. In the game however, Alrick manifested himself physically as an extension of Lios himself, meaning that if he gets hit, Lios does as well.
However, Alrick himself doesn't follow the same rules as players, things like gravity for instance do not exist for him. As he simply floats and barely ever fights with a solid grip on the ground.
However, he is still solid, and won't be able to phase through walls/swords or anything of the sort.
Though that means he can interact with Lios himself, as such, one of their techniques is to 'fly' by letting Lios dash up, then get held by Alrick, rinse and repeat.

Alrick can fight, and is about, if not faster due to the fact he floats, than Lios himself. However, if he chooses to, he can just not appear and phase back into Lios, or manifest himself in the form of a spare arm, leg, or even head at times. Making for a great disguise at the halloween events.

Phantom step: A skill developed through Ghost connection that makes for a nigh instant movement in a radius of fifteen meters starting from his position.
The activation of the skill is almost immediate, and has a very short cooldown of one to six seconds depending on Lios's health bar and overall energy.
The skill in itself isn't offensive, and nor Lios or Alrick can make any attacks during the movement.

The movement itself takes from a half second to one and a half, again depending on his health and overall energy.

Aside from that, he uses skills that he made himself that aren't registered as actual sword skills but could very well be.


I don't know about you, but they do seem to be sort of OPish, especially when compared to the usual skills of other players. And I'm not all that sure on how Alrick would fit into the system.

And I personally don't remember anything to indicate that players were able to make their own sword skills. SAO is after all, a MMORPG. Except for the element of more or less originality which was added by our first OP, and that was in the so called character skill.
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Postby Serah » Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:10 pm

Tracian Empire wrote:
Serah wrote:
Well theoretically, he could still nope out the wall of spears with Alrick lifting him up when dashing up in the air.

But since the fact that you don't seem to remember his skills, I'll get you up to speed with them.

Unique Skill: Ghost connection:

Lios in the real world has an odd form of what one would call schizophrenia, in the way that he hears the voice of his ancestor, Alrick, in his mind. In the game however, Alrick manifested himself physically as an extension of Lios himself, meaning that if he gets hit, Lios does as well.
However, Alrick himself doesn't follow the same rules as players, things like gravity for instance do not exist for him. As he simply floats and barely ever fights with a solid grip on the ground.
However, he is still solid, and won't be able to phase through walls/swords or anything of the sort.
Though that means he can interact with Lios himself, as such, one of their techniques is to 'fly' by letting Lios dash up, then get held by Alrick, rinse and repeat.

Alrick can fight, and is about, if not faster due to the fact he floats, than Lios himself. However, if he chooses to, he can just not appear and phase back into Lios, or manifest himself in the form of a spare arm, leg, or even head at times. Making for a great disguise at the halloween events.

Phantom step: A skill developed through Ghost connection that makes for a nigh instant movement in a radius of fifteen meters starting from his position.
The activation of the skill is almost immediate, and has a very short cooldown of one to six seconds depending on Lios's health bar and overall energy.
The skill in itself isn't offensive, and nor Lios or Alrick can make any attacks during the movement.

The movement itself takes from a half second to one and a half, again depending on his health and overall energy.

Aside from that, he uses skills that he made himself that aren't registered as actual sword skills but could very well be.


I don't know about you, but they do seem to be sort of OPish, especially when compared to the usual skills of other players. And I'm not all that sure on how Alrick would fit into the system.

And I personally don't remember anything to indicate that players were able to make their own sword skills. SAO is after all, a MMORPG. Except for the element of more or less originality which was added by our first OP, and that was in the so called character skill.


As I've said, they're not technically skills registered by the game, as for his sword skills that is.
As for Ghost Connection, I figured that Lios well known enough that he'd get a skill to his own. Much like David with his super speed thing.

Thing is, Lios and Alrick have the same health bars, so eliminate Alrick, and you eliminate Lios.
Eliminate Lios, and you get Alrick.
Notwithstanding that Lios needs considerable amounts of food to sustain himself and his use of his skills.

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Postby Charlia » Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:15 pm

Serah wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:
I don't know about you, but they do seem to be sort of OPish, especially when compared to the usual skills of other players. And I'm not all that sure on how Alrick would fit into the system.

And I personally don't remember anything to indicate that players were able to make their own sword skills. SAO is after all, a MMORPG. Except for the element of more or less originality which was added by our first OP, and that was in the so called character skill.


As I've said, they're not technically skills registered by the game, as for his sword skills that is.
As for Ghost Connection, I figured that Lios well known enough that he'd get a skill to his own. Much like David with his super speed thing.

Thing is, Lios and Alrick have the same health bars, so eliminate Alrick, and you eliminate Lios.
Eliminate Lios, and you get Alrick.
Notwithstanding that Lios needs considerable amounts of food to sustain himself and his use of his skills.
(I question how it's possible to have skills in the game that aren't registered by the game, but that's not the point of this post.)

Look, I don't know about Tracian, but here's the main problem I have.

You keep saying all this stuff about how Lios has weaknesses, but you don't ever do anything to back that up. All we ever see is Lios doing whatever he wants, succeeding at everything he tries, never actually losing anything unless he can brood over it(and even then, the loss was all off-screen!), all advantages, no weaknesses. So you can say whatever you want about all of Lios's problems, but if you don't actually do anything with those problems and we never actually see them having any sort of effect, then it's no different from him having no problems. See what I'm saying?

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Postby Tracian Empire » Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:21 pm

Serah wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:
I don't know about you, but they do seem to be sort of OPish, especially when compared to the usual skills of other players. And I'm not all that sure on how Alrick would fit into the system.

And I personally don't remember anything to indicate that players were able to make their own sword skills. SAO is after all, a MMORPG. Except for the element of more or less originality which was added by our first OP, and that was in the so called character skill.


As I've said, they're not technically skills registered by the game, as for his sword skills that is.
As for Ghost Connection, I figured that Lios well known enough that he'd get a skill to his own. Much like David with his super speed thing.

Thing is, Lios and Alrick have the same health bars, so eliminate Alrick, and you eliminate Lios.
Eliminate Lios, and you get Alrick.
Notwithstanding that Lios needs considerable amounts of food to sustain himself and his use of his skills.


And that's the idea. Without control over the Cardinal System, you can't register sword skills, and the entire purpose of a sword skill is for the player to be assisted by the system, hence why unregistered sword skills are not sword skills.

Yes, I can agree to one special skill, but that's the idea. Each player gets one super cool skill. Which still has to be balanced.

Even so, it basically gives Lios an edge in all fights, by adding a second character that wouldn't exactly fit in the system of the game. Let's not talk about how would Alrick be controlled from a game mechanic perspective.

Which isn't exactly a downside, considering the huge amounts of food available in the game. The issue is that as far as I remember, players in general don't need to eat to survive.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:21 pm

Charlia wrote:
Serah wrote:
As I've said, they're not technically skills registered by the game, as for his sword skills that is.
As for Ghost Connection, I figured that Lios well known enough that he'd get a skill to his own. Much like David with his super speed thing.

Thing is, Lios and Alrick have the same health bars, so eliminate Alrick, and you eliminate Lios.
Eliminate Lios, and you get Alrick.
Notwithstanding that Lios needs considerable amounts of food to sustain himself and his use of his skills.
(I question how it's possible to have skills in the game that aren't registered by the game, but that's not the point of this post.)

Look, I don't know about Tracian, but here's the main problem I have.

You keep saying all this stuff about how Lios has weaknesses, but you don't ever do anything to back that up. All we ever see is Lios doing whatever he wants, succeeding at everything he tries, never actually losing anything unless he can brood over it(and even then, the loss was all off-screen!), all advantages, no weaknesses. So you can say whatever you want about all of Lios's problems, but if you don't actually do anything with those problems and we never actually see them having any sort of effect, then it's no different from him having no problems. See what I'm saying?


Exactly what my tired and Latin filled mind was sort of trying to point, besides from the game mechanics.
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Postby Charlia » Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:24 pm

Tracian Empire wrote:
Charlia wrote:(I question how it's possible to have skills in the game that aren't registered by the game, but that's not the point of this post.)

Look, I don't know about Tracian, but here's the main problem I have.

You keep saying all this stuff about how Lios has weaknesses, but you don't ever do anything to back that up. All we ever see is Lios doing whatever he wants, succeeding at everything he tries, never actually losing anything unless he can brood over it(and even then, the loss was all off-screen!), all advantages, no weaknesses. So you can say whatever you want about all of Lios's problems, but if you don't actually do anything with those problems and we never actually see them having any sort of effect, then it's no different from him having no problems. See what I'm saying?


Exactly what my tired and Latin filled mind was sort of trying to point, besides from the game mechanics.
Yeah, well, I don't know a lot about the game mechanics myself, so I can't really work from that angle. XD

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Postby Tracian Empire » Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:25 pm

Charlia wrote:
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Exactly what my tired and Latin filled mind was sort of trying to point, besides from the game mechanics.
Yeah, well, I don't know a lot about the game mechanics myself, so I can't really work from that angle. XD

Well, besides from the game mechanics, which is sort of my job, that attitude so to speak was the main thing I was trying to point out. I'm more than okay with the attitude and general idea of Lios, but the character, ICly, is pressing a little bit too much on its advantages and perceived invincibility.
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Postby Nitom » Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:31 pm

Alright so, Serah, why don't you try what I did with my character? My character is an agility type, having great speed and endurance, but horribly lacking in the strength to block a head on strike from a heavy weapons user. I rely on my speed and the intimidation skill (you can find in my app) to out maneuver the enemy and strike while avoiding their attacks. Another downside my character has is that it's best not to party with anyone. The intimidation skill is a combat wide area effect, working on everyone, this meaning any party members or people I fight with will feel it's effects as well.

Another down fall, which you will see later on in the role play, is the split personality that my character has. It will end up making a lot of rash decisions and it could potentially kill my character, depending on the situation.
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Postby Charlia » Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:31 pm

Tracian Empire wrote:
Charlia wrote:Yeah, well, I don't know a lot about the game mechanics myself, so I can't really work from that angle. XD

Well, besides from the game mechanics, which is sort of my job, that attitude so to speak was the main thing I was trying to point out. I'm more than okay with the attitude and general idea of Lios, but the character, ICly, is pressing a little bit too much on its advantages and perceived invincibility.
Well, it sure as heck had better not be my job, LOL.

Indeed.

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Postby Tracian Empire » Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:35 pm

Nitom wrote:Alright so, Serah, why don't you try what I did with my character? My character is an agility type, having great speed and endurance, but horribly lacking in the strength to block a head on strike from a heavy weapons user. I rely on my speed and the intimidation skill (you can find in my app) to out maneuver the enemy and strike while avoiding their attacks. Another downside my character has is that it's best not to party with anyone. The intimidation skill is a combat wide area effect, working on everyone, this meaning any party members or people I fight with will feel it's effects as well.

Another down fall, which you will see later on in the role play, is the split personality that my character has. It will end up making a lot of rash decisions and it could potentially kill my character, depending on the situation.

The main idea is to balance the skills with the weakness, and in general, to make your character balanced.

In the specific case of a skill, it should be balanced. A really strong skill should have high cooldown times, and stuff like that.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:36 pm

Charlia wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:Well, besides from the game mechanics, which is sort of my job, that attitude so to speak was the main thing I was trying to point out. I'm more than okay with the attitude and general idea of Lios, but the character, ICly, is pressing a little bit too much on its advantages and perceived invincibility.
Well, it sure as heck had better not be my job, LOL.

Indeed.

Well, I did read almost all of the SAO light novels, and I have played around some MMORPG's, so I have a good idea about how SAO's skill system works :p
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Postby Tracian Empire » Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:54 pm

Okay well, sorry, but it really seems that I can't post today. Whole I somehow had the time to semi-argue with people, and that's one of my bad points, being easily distracted, I'm a little too sleepy and my head is too full of Latin to be able to write the post that I wanted. It's supposed to be a fairly large post, since except from responding to everyone, I also have to introduce Julia.

I'll post it tomorrow though, if I survive my tests.
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Postby Nitom » Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:55 pm

Tracian Empire wrote:
Nitom wrote:Alright so, Serah, why don't you try what I did with my character? My character is an agility type, having great speed and endurance, but horribly lacking in the strength to block a head on strike from a heavy weapons user. I rely on my speed and the intimidation skill (you can find in my app) to out maneuver the enemy and strike while avoiding their attacks. Another downside my character has is that it's best not to party with anyone. The intimidation skill is a combat wide area effect, working on everyone, this meaning any party members or people I fight with will feel it's effects as well.

Another down fall, which you will see later on in the role play, is the split personality that my character has. It will end up making a lot of rash decisions and it could potentially kill my character, depending on the situation.

The main idea is to balance the skills with the weakness, and in general, to make your character balanced.

In the specific case of a skill, it should be balanced. A really strong skill should have high cooldown times, and stuff like that.

Well as stated in my app, intimidation is a passive skill. It's always in effect when I'm in combat. If it was an active skill then it would have higher effects. Here's the breakdown as I see it.

Passive skills are weak, but constant. Kinda like a thorn, always sticking in your enemies side.

Active skills can range from weak to strong. They have a cool down period, take time to use, and last for a certain amount of time.

However, the problem with SAO, from what I've seen, is that there are only passive skills and sword skills. I did not see any skills used that required anything that active skills require.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:00 pm

Nitom wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:The main idea is to balance the skills with the weakness, and in general, to make your character balanced.

In the specific case of a skill, it should be balanced. A really strong skill should have high cooldown times, and stuff like that.

Well as stated in my app, intimidation is a passive skill. It's always in effect when I'm in combat. If it was an active skill then it would have higher effects. Here's the breakdown as I see it.

Passive skills are weak, but constant. Kinda like a thorn, always sticking in your enemies side.

Active skills can range from weak to strong. They have a cool down period, take time to use, and last for a certain amount of time.

However, the problem with SAO, from what I've seen, is that there are only passive skills and sword skills. I did not see any skills used that required anything that active skills require.

Sword skills are generally the equivalent of active skills. Starbust Stream looks like an active skill to me, as an example. Strong, takes time to use, lasts for s certain amount of time, and has a long cooldown period to balance its strength.

The thing is that in general, the skills in SAO are centered only on the weapons themselves.
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Postby Charlia » Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:15 pm

Tracian Empire wrote:Okay well, sorry, but it really seems that I can't post today. Whole I somehow had the time to semi-argue with people, and that's one of my bad points, being easily distracted, I'm a little too sleepy and my head is too full of Latin to be able to write the post that I wanted. It's supposed to be a fairly large post, since except from responding to everyone, I also have to introduce Julia.

I'll post it tomorrow though, if I survive my tests.

Okay. Good luck! :)

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Postby Tracian Empire » Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:06 am

Salve

I somehow survived
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Postby United States of Indonesia » Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:20 am

Maybe I should say something about the things inside the Cathedral...
Remember the Night of Long Knives? That event where Safe Zones are not Safe Zones anymore (for the period of event only)...
Because it was the Cardinal who generated the event, it could happen on random, usually based on the location & size of conflict.
Since the conflict at the wedding location, or near it, is somewhat large enough, for the Cardinal to notice at least, the system then allowed for the Cathedral & some of the area around it to be PvP combat zone.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:30 am

United States of Indonesia wrote:Maybe I should say something about the things inside the Cathedral...
Remember the Night of Long Knives? That event where Safe Zones are not Safe Zones anymore (for the period of event only)...
Because it was the Cardinal who generated the event, it could happen on random, usually based on the location & size of conflict.
Since the conflict at the wedding location, or near it, is somewhat large enough, for the Cardinal to notice at least, the system then allowed for the Cathedral & some of the area around it to be PvP combat zone.

I already said that the entire area will not be protected anymore during the fight, so it's okay.
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Postby Charlia » Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:15 am

Tracian Empire wrote:Salve

I somehow survived

Congratulations!


I went to see Dr. Strange last night. I am very pleased.


I will also be pleased when you post. Just mentioning it... *whistles*

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Postby Tracian Empire » Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:33 am

Charlia wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:Salve

I somehow survived

Congratulations!


I went to see Dr. Strange last night. I am very pleased.


I will also be pleased when you post. Just mentioning it... *whistles*


Thanks!

Interesting. I want to see it too, but I'm not all that excited about having to spend time in a movie theater.

Yes, yes. I fell asleep for a little, I'm going to post now.
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Postby Charlia » Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:46 am

Tracian Empire wrote:
Charlia wrote:Congratulations!


I went to see Dr. Strange last night. I am very pleased.


I will also be pleased when you post. Just mentioning it... *whistles*


Thanks!

Interesting. I want to see it too, but I'm not all that excited about having to spend time in a movie theater.

Yes, yes. I fell asleep for a little, I'm going to post now.

No problem.

But Dr. Strange is beautiful. *sparkling eyes* It is, in my opinion, the best Marvel movie yet.

Good. You do that.

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