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Postby Austria and Bavaria » Tue Aug 16, 2016 5:04 am

The Ik Ka Ek Akai wrote:Well, I can't finish the app unless I get confirmation over whether or not capture of the Papal States, and of Venice, are possible. Historically, both held referendums that led to them being annexed by Italy, as this was a period of Italian nationalism whereby the popular support among Italians was in favor of the kingdom, even when against the Pope himself.

I could attempt something similar, setting up such votes at the correct historical dates through nonmilitary means.


No. Read the history in the OP, Venice is an Austria puppet, and Papal States are independant unless you want to have a war with France and Austria.

Honestly I don't see anything I say making you give up on your plan, even though the Habsburgs are, through the senior line, the legal heirs to the Palagious Dynasty, I honestly have no clue how they would rise to become kings. I can see the Savoys being deposed, but not by an now-obscure house that hasn't ruled anything for three centuries.
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Postby Austria and Bavaria » Tue Aug 16, 2016 5:06 am

Unless it is something minor like Montferrat, or an error in the map, I am not changing the map anymore than it already is.
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Postby PLESSUR » Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:03 am

Nation: United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland
Flag: What else
Coat of Arms or Great Seal: Unoriginal
National Anthem: God Save the Queen (seriously?)
National Motto: Dieu et mon Droit
Head of State: Queen Victoria
Head of Government: Robert Gascoyne-Cecil, 3rd Marquess of Salisbury (aka Lord Salisbury)
Cabinet: U what
Ruling Royal House or Dynasty (if Monarchy, otherwise, remove this line): House of Hanover
Capital: London
Religion: Anglican Protestantism (Great Britain and Ulster), Roman Catholicism (Ireland), Just about everything else (colonies)
Main Exports: Industrialised goods, capital, steel, coal and iron.
Main Imports: Cereals, some foodstuffs, cotton and not much else
Allies: Well, formally everyone. The Confederacy is a close economic ally while political ties with the Union are stronger. Ties are being built with Brazil, together with more extensive trade. Austria, Poland and the Ottoman Empire have historically been close allies, but the rise of Russia and France, as well as Romania and Bulgaria, are challenging that outlook. The Boer and Irish settler republics of Africa are naturally reviled in Whitehall. Britain's friend in Asia is currently Japan, if not formally, while the Qing Emperor is still supported to combat the Taiping rebels. Asia remains a place where Britain seeks to develop a clientele to protect the British Raj and end the Great Game. Breakaway states such as the Taipings or Mahdist Turkestan are opposed vigorously in London.

Above all, British foreign policy focuses on restoring Pax Britannica, undermined by the new French influence in North and Central America, the humiliating defeat in the Cape and the rapid development of new states around the dissolving Ottoman empire.
Enemies: I think that's been covered :p
Size and Quality of Military: The British military, though still not relying on conscription, is nonetheless large.
History of Nation:

WIP
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Postby Austria and Bavaria » Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:09 am

Wouldn't the anthem be God save the Queen?
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Postby Apostolic Hungary » Tue Aug 16, 2016 9:06 am

Tracian Empire wrote:
Apostolic Hungary wrote:Not the only one... HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE WILL RETURN!

Shh. Death to Austria.

Of course, you know this means...
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Postby Tracian Empire » Tue Aug 16, 2016 9:08 am

Apostolic Hungary wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:Shh. Death to Austria.

Of course, you know this means...

Well, you're the one stealing my lands.
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Postby The Ik Ka Ek Akai » Tue Aug 16, 2016 9:09 am

Austria and Bavaria wrote:
The Ik Ka Ek Akai wrote:Well, I can't finish the app unless I get confirmation over whether or not capture of the Papal States, and of Venice, are possible. Historically, both held referendums that led to them being annexed by Italy, as this was a period of Italian nationalism whereby the popular support among Italians was in favor of the kingdom, even when against the Pope himself.

I could attempt something similar, setting up such votes at the correct historical dates through nonmilitary means.


No. Read the history in the OP, Venice is an Austria puppet, and Papal States are independant unless you want to have a war with France and Austria.

Honestly I don't see anything I say making you give up on your plan, even though the Habsburgs are, through the senior line, the legal heirs to the Palagious Dynasty, I honestly have no clue how they would rise to become kings. I can see the Savoys being deposed, but not by an now-obscure house that hasn't ruled anything for three centuries.


Venice is never mentioned in the OP history, neither the short nor the long.

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Postby Apostolic Hungary » Tue Aug 16, 2016 9:12 am

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Well, you're the one stealing my lands.

Just like a Hohenzollern to claim that
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Postby Tracian Empire » Tue Aug 16, 2016 9:13 am

Apostolic Hungary wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:Well, you're the one stealing my lands.

Just like a Hohenzollern to claim that

We'll see what will happen.
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Postby Apostolic Hungary » Tue Aug 16, 2016 9:16 am

Tracian Empire wrote:
Apostolic Hungary wrote:Just like a Hohenzollern to claim that

We'll see what will happen.

Indeed.

"In so far as they were ruled by a Kaiser, the Emperor of Austria was the one and only Kaiser. In so far as there was a German Empire, the Austrian Empire was the one and only German Empire." ('Prussia the Enemy of Germany')
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Postby Tracian Empire » Tue Aug 16, 2016 9:21 am

Apostolic Hungary wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:We'll see what will happen.

Indeed.

"In so far as they were ruled by a Kaiser, the Emperor of Austria was the one and only Kaiser. In so far as there was a German Empire, the Austrian Empire was the one and only German Empire." ('Prussia the Enemy of Germany')

Says the nation who gave up on its German roots and is now in a Dual Monarchy with Hungarians.
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Postby The Ik Ka Ek Akai » Tue Aug 16, 2016 9:21 am

Since I cannot alter the map from its current position, then I shall simply put the historical popular support in both Rome and Venice as a Causus Belli for future use.

AH can certainly change borders, but the simple matter of popular support for the Kingdom of Italy within the modern borders of Italy is something that cannot be altered. Borders change, but nationalism is rather difficult to get rid of.

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Postby Austria and Bavaria » Tue Aug 16, 2016 9:25 am

The Ik Ka Ek Akai wrote:
Austria and Bavaria wrote:
No. Read the history in the OP, Venice is an Austria puppet, and Papal States are independant unless you want to have a war with France and Austria.

Honestly I don't see anything I say making you give up on your plan, even though the Habsburgs are, through the senior line, the legal heirs to the Palagious Dynasty, I honestly have no clue how they would rise to become kings. I can see the Savoys being deposed, but not by an now-obscure house that hasn't ruled anything for three centuries.


Venice is never mentioned in the OP history, neither the short nor the long.


Odd, since I remember writing it. It must have gotten lost when my house lost power when I was writing the O.P.
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Postby Austria and Bavaria » Tue Aug 16, 2016 9:26 am

Intermountain States wrote:
Intermountain States wrote:Nation: Kingdom of Joseon
Flag: Flag
Coat of Arms or Great Seal: Coat of Arms
National Anthem: None
National Motto: "Let there be light on the Land and in the Heavens!
Head of State: King Gojong of Joseon
Head of Government: Chief State Councilor Kim Do Hwan
Cabinet:
- Chief State Councilor Kim Do Hwan
- Left State Councilor Han Yul
- Right State Councilor Ryu Ja-gi
- Minister of Personnel (Appointment of officials) Yi Jun Kyu
- Minister of Taxation (finance, taxation, land policies, census, agriculture) Jang Inim
- Minister of Rites (diplomacy, rituals, culture, education) Ok Youngho
- Minister of Defence (military affairs) Yang Jong-pil
- Minister of Justice (punishment, slavery, administration of law) Kim Bo Seuk
- Minister of Works (industry, public works, manufacturing, mining) Jung Yi Go
Ruling Royal House or Dynasty: Jeonju Yi Clan
Capital: Hanyang (modern day Seoul)
Religion: Irreligious, tolerated Buddhist and Christian
Main Exports: Grains and vegetables, porceilan, coal, metal
Main Imports: Gunpowder based weapons, silver from China
Allies: Empire of the Great Qing
Enemies: No one
Size and Quality of Military: Small and low quality. The military of Joseon has been largely ignored ever since the mid 17th century when the Joseon General Court decided to demilitarize and use existing weapons. Minor attempt to modernize the Joseon military was small scaled and only affected the capital area.
History of Nation:
In 1863, King Gojong took the throne but due to his young age, his father, Heungseon Daewongun, ruled for him as regent until Gojong reached adulthood. While the Regent reformed Joseon politics to restore the royal authorities and lowered tax burdens on the peasants and the middle class, he enforced isolationist beliefs and closed Joseon to foreign traders except to the Qings. He also pursued anti-Christian policies and continued the persecutions of Catholics of both native and foreign origin. His isolationism and anti-Catholic policies did saw clashes with France, which the country justified the anti-Catholic persecutions for their campaign against Joseon in 1866. In 1871, Joseon also saw a clash with the Confederate States of America/France/Great Britain (whichever works) which forced Joseon to open their ports to foreign trade.

In 1873, King Gojong announced his rule and planned to adopt "Enlightenment policies" to strengthen Joseon after a more powerful Japan forced Joseon to sign the Treaty of Ganghwa in 1876 which granted Japan more powers in trade with Joseon compared to European powers. In 1881, Joseon established an elite military unit called the Byeolgigun which uses contemporary weapons in contrast to the outdated muskets and arrows used by regular Joseon soldiers. The new unit was given high pay and priviledge which didn't bode well with the regular soldiers. In 1882, the old guard soldiers launched a coup which only ended with Qing and Japanese involvement. To ensure that Joseon will remain independent, Gojong looked into new options for allies. So far his options were limited. The Conservative factions favored continuing ties with the Qing Empire, the moderates lead by Queen Min supported opening ties with Russia, and the Enlightenment faction was split between France and Japan; most of these countries have imperial stake in Joseon. In Gojong's mind, there must be an ally that Joseon could count on that could help modernize the country.

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Postby Apostolic Hungary » Tue Aug 16, 2016 9:29 am

Tracian Empire wrote:
Apostolic Hungary wrote:Indeed.

"In so far as they were ruled by a Kaiser, the Emperor of Austria was the one and only Kaiser. In so far as there was a German Empire, the Austrian Empire was the one and only German Empire." ('Prussia the Enemy of Germany')

Says the nation who gave up on its German roots and is now in a Dual Monarchy with Hungarians.

Says the nation that was more than half Slavic to begin with, and ended up becoming more than half French later on...
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Postby The Ik Ka Ek Akai » Tue Aug 16, 2016 9:32 am

Apostolic Hungary wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:Says the nation who gave up on its German roots and is now in a Dual Monarchy with Hungarians.

Says the nation that was more than half Slavic to begin with, and ended up becoming more than half French later on...


Says the nation who can't decide whether it's Ugric, Turkic, or Slavic!

The nomadic Magyars were an...interesting people.

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Postby Tracian Empire » Tue Aug 16, 2016 9:32 am

Apostolic Hungary wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:Says the nation who gave up on its German roots and is now in a Dual Monarchy with Hungarians.

Says the nation that was more than half Slavic to begin with, and ended up becoming more than half French later on...

Half French?

This is a simple question. Kleindeutsche Lösung, or Großdeutsche Lösung.
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Postby The Portland Territory » Tue Aug 16, 2016 9:34 am

Arana wrote:Any nations other than the US willing to support the fledgling empire in the Caribbean? I'd think France and Spain might... ignoring both countries significant involvement with the Irish diaspora, it would serve as a way to hit at their respective enemies; Britain for France and the CSA for Spain.

Maybe.
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Postby Apostolic Hungary » Tue Aug 16, 2016 9:35 am

The Ik Ka Ek Akai wrote:
Apostolic Hungary wrote:Says the nation that was more than half Slavic to begin with, and ended up becoming more than half French later on...


Says the nation who can't decide whether it's Ugric, Turkic, or Slavic!

The nomadic Magyars were an...interesting people.

We're talking about Austria and Prussia, Hungary is a different matter
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Postby Tracian Empire » Tue Aug 16, 2016 9:36 am

Apostolic Hungary wrote:
The Ik Ka Ek Akai wrote:
Says the nation who can't decide whether it's Ugric, Turkic, or Slavic!

The nomadic Magyars were an...interesting people.

We're talking about Austria and Prussia, Hungary is a different matter

You're Austria-Hungary though.
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Postby The Ik Ka Ek Akai » Tue Aug 16, 2016 9:37 am

Tracian Empire wrote:
Apostolic Hungary wrote:We're talking about Austria and Prussia, Hungary is a different matter

You're Austria-Hungary though.


Exactly!

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Postby Apostolic Hungary » Tue Aug 16, 2016 9:38 am

The Ik Ka Ek Akai wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:You're Austria-Hungary though.


Exactly!

The Kingdom of Hungary and the Austrian Empire are two separate countries under one ruler, more actually... You have the Austrian Empire, the Kingdom of Bohemia and Moravia, the Kingdom of Croatia and Dalmatia, and the Kingdom of Hungary.
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Postby Arana » Tue Aug 16, 2016 9:40 am

The Portland Territory wrote:
Arana wrote:Any nations other than the US willing to support the fledgling empire in the Caribbean? I'd think France and Spain might... ignoring both countries significant involvement with the Irish diaspora, it would serve as a way to hit at their respective enemies; Britain for France and the CSA for Spain.

Maybe.

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Postby The Ik Ka Ek Akai » Tue Aug 16, 2016 9:42 am

Apostolic Hungary wrote:
The Ik Ka Ek Akai wrote:
Exactly!

The Kingdom of Hungary and the Austrian Empire are two separate countries under one ruler, more actually... You have the Austrian Empire, the Kingdom of Bohemia and Moravia, the Kingdom of Croatia and Dalmatia, and the Kingdom of Hungary.


That's the thing, though: "Empire" outranks "Kingdom", thus making Hungary, Morhemia, and Hrvatska Gloria all part of the Austrian Empire.

A better example of a leader ruling two countries that are distinct from each other would be Spain and the HRE, as both are empire-level titles that were once held by the same person, although they were treated differently in diplomacy. Another good example would be Normandy and England, as they were for a long time ruled by the same people despite England being independent and Normandy being a vassal to France.

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Postby Apostolic Hungary » Tue Aug 16, 2016 9:42 am

Tracian Empire wrote:
Apostolic Hungary wrote:Says the nation that was more than half Slavic to begin with, and ended up becoming more than half French later on...

Half French?

This is a simple question. Kleindeutsche Lösung, or Großdeutsche Lösung.

And the answer is Großdeutsche Heiliges Römisches Reich. Down with Nationalism!
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