1870 : Alternative Divergence [AH][OOC][Discussion]

[Tracian Empire]

If it isn't too much trouble, could you reply to my telegrams Osc?

Resend plz T~T. Russia TG bomb washed almost every TG I got last night.

Just to check, did you ever get my TG?

And sorry for the Rossiya TG bomb. It took me a while to notice you, but I removed you from the conversation.

[Oscalantine]

Resend plz T~T. Russia TG bomb washed almost every TG I got last night.

Just to check, did you ever get my TG?

And sorry for the Rossiya TG bomb. It took me a while to notice you, but I removed you from the conversation.

Nope, probably not ^^;;;

[Tracian Empire]

Just to check, did you ever get my TG?

And sorry for the Rossiya TG bomb. It took me a while to notice you, but I removed you from the conversation.

Nope, probably not ^^;;;

Oh well, I look around to see if that plugin saved it, if not I'll simply write it again and send it to you.

[Novacom]

Please refer to the announcement~

Also, you are on my "Oscal, you dumb dolt! Make a new map!!" list. I will get back to you as to which area you can have Islamic Empire... because what you claim is basically spelling disaster for you (I mean... could you get any worse? You are stuck between Hansa, Christendom, Rome, AND Korea... not including Israel because Israel is in same position as you). You are stuck between dangerous region filled with top Imperialists... I suggest you really relocate elsewhere ^^;;;

okay im making a new app then

I had an idea for your situation you could have a resurgent all andalusia which we have had in the RPG before.

[Tracian Empire]

okay im making a new app then

I had an idea for your situation you could have a resurgent all andalusia which we have had in the RPG before.

That would certainly work better than an Arabia surrounded by imperialistic powers.

[The Tricolour]

Full Nation Name : The Kingdom of Tibet
Majority/Official Culture : [[What your people identify themselves with… French, Chinese, Iroquois, Touareg, etc.]] Chinese
Territorial Core :
Territorial Claim : None
Capital City : Lhasa
Population : 1,000,000

Government Type : [[Monarchy, Republic, etc.]] Monarchy
Government Ideology/Policies :
Government Focus : Culture
Head of State : Trinley Gyatso, 12th Dalai Lama
Head of Government : King Guanyu I
Government Description : The Kingdom of Tibet is ruled by the Dual Monarchs. One is the Dalai Lama and one is a hereditary king. There is also a Parliament, with the National Party (moderate/liberal, isolationist), the People's Party (VERY liberal, borderline communist, anti-isolationist), the General Party (conservative, isolationist), and the Soldier's Party (VERY conservative, borderline fascist, anti-isolationist, militaristic). Out of 100 seats, the General Party has 87, the National Party has 6, the People's Party has 4, and the Soldier's Party has 3.

Majority/State Religion : Buddhism
Religious Description : None

Economic Ideologies : In rural parts, trading and bartering, in cities, capitalism
Major Production : Sheep and goats' dairy products
Economic Description : Tibet does not have that strong of an economy, but it is independent, which means that major financial events won't hurt it as much.

Army Strength : Mountains make good defenses.
Army Weakness : Not that many troops.
Naval Strength : None
Naval Weakness : None
Further Military Description : None

National Goals : To defend themselves from foriegn interests.
National Issues : Industrialization. A massive internal conflict is going on whether to industrialize or not. The Dalai Lama, rural people, and the General Party are against industrialization, while the King, the rest of the parties, and the citygoers are for industrialization.
National Figures of Interest : No
National Ambition/Aspirations : None

History : [[Can be in paragraph or bulletpoint timeline.]]
1849 - With the September Coup, Nepal breaks away from China relatively peacefully. A provisionary government is established with the Dalai Llama as it's surpreme head.
1856 - The Dalai Lama dies. The Tibetan Civil War begins, with the Dalai Llama supporters against supporters of a constitutional monarchy.
1860 - With the new Dalai Lama in power, a compromoise is reached. The Dalai Lama and the constitutional monarchy split the power. Guanyu I is proclaimed king.

Comparison Points – Political : [[How much national focus is gone into administrating the government, i.e. espionage, royal marriages, counter-intelligence, etc.]] 1
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : [[How much national focus is gone into religious and or cultural aspects, i.e. asking for excommunication, call for crusade, soviet revolution in other nations, etc.]] 6
Comparison Points – Economy : [[How much national focus is gone into economic matters, i.e. embargo/blockade efficiency, lasting through war of attrition, simply feeding your people better, etc.]] 2
Comparison Points – Military : [[How much national focus is gone into military, i.e. discipline, morale, better tacticians/generals, etc.]] 1
Total Comparison Points used (10 Points MAX) : 10/10

[Zionatra]

Full Nation Name : The Kingdom of Tibet
Majority/Official Culture : [[What your people identify themselves with… French, Chinese, Iroquois, Touareg, etc.]] Chinese
Territorial Core :(Image)
Territorial Claim : None
Capital City : Lhasa
Population : 1,000,000

Government Type : [[Monarchy, Republic, etc.]] Monarchy
Government Ideology/Policies :
Government Focus : Culture
Head of State : Trinley Gyatso, 12th Dalai Lama
Head of Government : King Guanyu I
Government Description : The Kingdom of Tibet is ruled by the Dual Monarchs. One is the Dalai Lama and one is a hereditary king. There is also a Parliament, with the National Party (moderate/liberal, isolationist), the People's Party (VERY liberal, borderline communist, anti-isolationist), the General Party (conservative, isolationist), and the Soldier's Party (VERY conservative, borderline fascist, anti-isolationist, militaristic). Out of 100 seats, the General Party has 87, the National Party has 6, the People's Party has 4, and the Soldier's Party has 3.

Majority/State Religion : Buddhism
Religious Description : None

Economic Ideologies : In rural parts, trading and bartering, in cities, capitalism
Major Production : Sheep and goats' dairy products
Economic Description : Tibet does not have that strong of an economy, but it is independent, which means that major financial events won't hurt it as much.

Army Strength : Mountains make good defenses.
Army Weakness : Not that many troops.
Naval Strength : None
Naval Weakness : None
Further Military Description : None

National Goals : To defend themselves from foriegn interests.
National Issues : Industrialization. A massive internal conflict is going on whether to industrialize or not. The Dalai Lama, rural people, and the General Party are against industrialization, while the King, the rest of the parties, and the citygoers are for industrialization.
National Figures of Interest : No
National Ambition/Aspirations : None

History : [[Can be in paragraph or bulletpoint timeline.]]
1849 - With the September Coup, Nepal breaks away from China relatively peacefully. A provisionary government is established with the Dalai Llama as it's surpreme head.
1856 - The Dalai Lama dies. The Tibetan Civil War begins, with the Dalai Llama supporters against supporters of a constitutional monarchy.
1860 - With the new Dalai Lama in power, a compromoise is reached. The Dalai Lama and the constitutional monarchy split the power. Guanyu I is proclaimed king.

Comparison Points – Political : [[How much national focus is gone into administrating the government, i.e. espionage, royal marriages, counter-intelligence, etc.]] 1
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : [[How much national focus is gone into religious and or cultural aspects, i.e. asking for excommunication, call for crusade, soviet revolution in other nations, etc.]] 6
Comparison Points – Economy : [[How much national focus is gone into economic matters, i.e. embargo/blockade efficiency, lasting through war of attrition, simply feeding your people better, etc.]] 2
Comparison Points – Military : [[How much national focus is gone into military, i.e. discipline, morale, better tacticians/generals, etc.]] 1
Total Comparison Points used (10 Points MAX) : 10/10

tibet is taken i am pretty sure.

[Oscalantine]

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You would imagine font size 200 "ANNOUNCEMENT!!!" Would catch people's attention. But alas, some just dont care about OP... think that OP doesnt deserve their attention.

And certainly those apps dont deserve attention of the OP either. Denies with no desire for me to look at it. Absolutely zero reasons why I should pay attention to it.

[Western Imperial Union]

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You would imagine font size 200 "ANNOUNCEMENT!!!" Would catch people's attention. But alas, some just dont care about OP... think that OP doesnt deserve their attention.

And certainly those apps dont deserve attention of the OP either. Denies with no desire for me to look at it. Absolutely zero reasons why I should pay attention to it.

Dammit person you angered Oscal!

[Cymrea]

ah...fuck...i wish i had a up to date map given to me...

[This] is almost accurate. It isn't very bad of a map to start with when it comes to blank regions. Minus Tibet and Iran and you are basically set ^^

Except for the two bits of northern Washington state, Osc. Them's mine.

[Oscalantine]

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You would imagine font size 200 "ANNOUNCEMENT!!!" Would catch people's attention. But alas, some just dont care about OP... think that OP doesnt deserve their attention.

And certainly those apps dont deserve attention of the OP either. Denies with no desire for me to look at it. Absolutely zero reasons why I should pay attention to it.

Dammit person you angered Oscal!

Not mad, just laying it out as is ^^

Oh and dear Cy: I am a bit behind so I will update by this Friday at the latest ^^

[Cymrea]

Not mad, just laying it out as is ^^

Oh and dear Cy: I am a bit behind so I will update by this Friday at the latest ^^

Understood, and no worries, man.

[Tracian Empire]

So..

About my attempt at rewriting and improving my app, do I have to send it in a TG to you, Oscal?

[Oscalantine]

So..

About my attempt at rewriting and improving my app, do I have to send it in a TG to you, Oscal?

I would like either myself or Helghan or Nova to take a look at it. Just send any of us a link to your edit and we'll judge it based on standard app standards ^^

[Tracian Empire]

So..

About my attempt at rewriting and improving my app, do I have to send it in a TG to you, Oscal?

I would like either myself or Helghan or Nova to take a look at it. Just send any of us a link to your edit and we'll judge it based on standard app standards ^^

Though, I would still need help on my very old problem, population, and possibly on the number of my ships, since those are the two areas in which I really have problems.

Also, for some reason, back when I was working on it, Helghan said that he wanted to discuss something about the weaknesses and strengths of my military forces, and I am of course, ready to discuss and explain anything.

I'll send the link to the both of you, after I add one more map to it.

[Cymrea]

Though, I would still need help on my very old problem, population...

Have you tried using Populstat?

[Oscalantine]

Though, I would still need help on my very old problem, population...

Have you tried using Populstat?

If you are talking about that crazy NSEconomy, you are nuts! XDDD

[Tracian Empire]

Though, I would still need help on my very old problem, population...

Have you tried using Populstat?

Yes, but that's the problem. In real life, the population of the areas which I control are really small, because of the whole Byzantine Empire, collapse, Ottomans, famine, Crusades, Islam thing.

Which, didn't happen here.

I used something like that at the beginning, however, my population would be so small that it would put me at a huge disadvantage towards any other power, if I use real life population data.

[Tracian Empire]

And, a small question..

How can I link a post?

[Cymrea]

Have you tried using Populstat?

Yes, but that's the problem. In real life, the population of the areas which I control are really small, because of the whole Byzantine Empire, collapse, Ottomans, famine, Crusades, Islam thing.

Which, didn't happen here.

I used something like that at the beginning, however, my population would be so small that it would put me at a huge disadvantage towards any other power, if I use real life population data.

Well balance of population would also be a consideration. For instance, if all your lands amount to 300-500 million people, I don't think any adjustment or redress is needed. That's more than plenty to work with. Just out of curiosity, what is the IRL population of your claims?

[Cymrea]

And, a small question..

How can I link a post?

At the top of any post, just to the left of "by Tracian Empire » Wed Jul 13, 2016 6:54 am" (or whoever's post and when) is a little icon that looks like a dog-eared piece of paper. Click that, and then copy the URL.

[Oscalantine]

And, a small question..

How can I link a post?

That's what I was expecting... did you want to send me pagestretcher of TG? I'll pass, sorry ^^

Errr... try this if you absolutely need population from legit sources: try to find the average growth rate of 1870 in your region during the years within 10 year range removing any anomalies like famine or immigration surge (recorded ones, of course). That will be your persistent growth rate.

Take population from before collapse of Byzantines, then use that average growth rate to get desired population. At this time, use only years leading up to current year (1860) and not ten years from now. That should give you rough estimate... I hope it wont be SUPER high or something ^^;;

[Tracian Empire]

Yes, but that's the problem. In real life, the population of the areas which I control are really small, because of the whole Byzantine Empire, collapse, Ottomans, famine, Crusades, Islam thing.

Which, didn't happen here.

I used something like that at the beginning, however, my population would be so small that it would put me at a huge disadvantage towards any other power, if I use real life population data.

Well balance of population would also be a consideration. For instance, if all your lands amount to 300-500 million people, I don't think any adjustment or redress is needed. That's more than plenty to work with. Just out of curiosity, what is the IRL population of your claims?

Well, that's difficult to say. I already tried to approximate it once to resolve this problem, but don't trust those numbers.

As far as I remember, from my initial provinces, that I had at the very beginning, the total would have been around 12 million. An Ottoman census in 1906 showed 20 million, but that's a little too far ahead. And I can't seem to find good results on the population of Syria and Mesopotamia at the time.

[Western Imperial Union]

And, a small question..

How can I link a post?

That's what I was expecting... did you want to send me pagestretcher of TG? I'll pass, sorry ^^

Errr... try this if you absolutely need population from legit sources: try to find the average growth rate of 1870 in your region during the years within 10 year range removing any anomalies like famine or immigration surge (recorded ones, of course). That will be your persistent growth rate.

Take population from before collapse of Byzantines, then use that average growth rate to get desired population. At this time, use only years leading up to current year (1860) and not ten years from now. That should give you rough estimate... I hope it wont be SUPER high or something ^^;;

There is a problem with that, global populations saw a huge acceleration of population increase after 1750. Before that population growth was very small, following it population growth began accelerating so rapibly that some nations would see more than doubling in 1750 to 1860 when before that they were only a few thousand more births to deaths.

[Tracian Empire]

And, a small question..

How can I link a post?

That's what I was expecting... did you want to send me pagestretcher of TG? I'll pass, sorry ^^

Errr... try this if you absolutely need population from legit sources: try to find the average growth rate of 1870 in your region during the years within 10 year range removing any anomalies like famine or immigration surge (recorded ones, of course). That will be your persistent growth rate.

Take population from before collapse of Byzantines, then use that average growth rate to get desired population. At this time, use only years leading up to current year (1860) and not ten years from now. That should give you rough estimate... I hope it wont be SUPER high or something ^^;;

Well, I don't necessarily need legit sources. Approximating, by doubling the real life population of the region at the time, and adding everything else, I think that I should have around 29 or 30 million people. But the thing is, I can't exactly prove that, although it seems well balanced to me.

In 1025, the Byzantine Empire had 12 million people, and that while missing Asia Minor, which was under the Seljuks at the time, which never happened in this timeline. But that's why real population stats won't work that well. I never had any kind of incidents to ravage my population like the poor Byzantines had.

I could use the 9 million population in 959, which included Asia Minor, but average growth rate.. that will be a little difficult to find, considering that the Ottomans only started to make censuses after 1900. And That excluded the Balkans..