1870 : Alternative Divergence [AH][OOC][Discussion]

[Deutsch-Sudafrika]

Alright, I've got the sides down for the Breton Civil War.
Kingdom of Brittany(Government Forces)
Loyalist Front(Monarchists)(Working with Gov)
Army of the Republic(Republican Rebels)
God's Chosen Army in Brittany(Theocratic Nuts)
Worker's Revolutionary Party(Early Socialism/Communist)
Anarchist Rebels(No organization, just taking advantage of the civil war to spread anarchy)
Socialists and Theocrats will be the smallest, since Theocracy isn't a big thin in Brittany and Socialism is barely a decade old. So, I really hope I don't have to make a separate app for all of these guys. Because that's a lot of apps.

[Novacom]

Alright, I've got the sides down for the Breton Civil War.
Kingdom of Brittany(Government Forces)
Loyalist Front(Monarchists)(Working with Gov)
Army of the Republic(Republican Rebels)
God's Chosen Army in Brittany(Theocratic Nuts)
Worker's Revolutionary Party(Early Socialism/Communist)
Anarchist Rebels(No organization, just taking advantage of the civil war to spread anarchy)
Socialists and Theocrats will be the smallest, since Theocracy isn't a big thin in Brittany and Socialism is barely a decade old. So, I really hope I don't have to make a separate app for all of these guys. Because that's a lot of apps.

Without being rude nobody is really going to care, Brittany is such a small irrelevant thing...

[Deutsch-Sudafrika]

Alright, I've got the sides down for the Breton Civil War.
Kingdom of Brittany(Government Forces)
Loyalist Front(Monarchists)(Working with Gov)
Army of the Republic(Republican Rebels)
God's Chosen Army in Brittany(Theocratic Nuts)
Worker's Revolutionary Party(Early Socialism/Communist)
Anarchist Rebels(No organization, just taking advantage of the civil war to spread anarchy)
Socialists and Theocrats will be the smallest, since Theocracy isn't a big thin in Brittany and Socialism is barely a decade old. So, I really hope I don't have to make a separate app for all of these guys. Because that's a lot of apps.

Without being rude nobody is really going to care, Brittany is such a small irrelevant thing...

I was actually just thinking the same thing. I wrote all this and posted it and then thought to myself "Is anyone going to care? At all?"

[Tracian Empire]

Without being rude nobody is really going to care, Brittany is such a small irrelevant thing...

I was actually just thinking the same thing. I wrote all this and posted it and then thought to myself "Is anyone going to care? At all?"

Well, if Brittany would have been closer, Rome would have probably tried to help the monarchy, as a monarchy itself, but you're kinda too far away.

[Novacom]

Without being rude nobody is really going to care, Brittany is such a small irrelevant thing...

I was actually just thinking the same thing. I wrote all this and posted it and then thought to myself "Is anyone going to care? At all?"

That and didn't you resolve this last thread with the civil war being over as you were trying to make moves and had people asking how on earth you could do that after being completely shattered

[Oscalantine]

Announcements~!

1. The following members have been assigned the title of moderators for 1860: AD
Second Helghan Empire - Main Co-OP
Novacom - Co-OP
Cymrea - Co-OP

2. From this time (roughly 00:00 KST), all old RPers have 24 hours to declare their position to me by TG

If I do not receive TG by old members by that time, I will consider their lands usable by newcomers.

Also... I am not dumb. I know that Nova is still doing Aztec, Trace is doing Rome, Helghan is doing Hansa... Western is still Cheng, Christendom is here, Cambria is here, Ty and Ry are still doing awesome... oh and multi-account Brittany is under new management for the third time. It is people like Zion (although I do still know that he is joining us for Israel) and Quendi and Cap that I am waiting for... but do TG me if you wish to feel a bit on the safe side.

3. I will have Faction application done and workable maps by this Friday.

Also... do keep in mind that I am ONLY allowing faction application for nations that are under new management. No, seriously, even if... let's say France isn't coming. I am not going to have someone pop a Spain there in Iberian Peninsula without any regards to history of AD up until now. I want ACTUAL Iberian liberalization movement and actual establishment of Spain done on the IC. No if buts or nays.

The only true exceptions to this will be decided by me... in case you weren't aware, I am OP ^^... via TG. If you don't get a TG from me or if you don't TG me for privileges, you don't get to override existing history with yours, okay?

4. To those schemers and theorists: Go nuts, but don't insult others

This is a running problem with Orthodox Church in this RP... so much that we should seriously make this into a full event one of these days XDDD.

I have given instructions, but vague enough that it has been skimmed over: I allow theorizing and scheming. Just that... keep it PG. I don't want anyone offending anyone else. Feel free to toss each other vague threats of dominance or whatnot, but DO NOT attempt to claim something that is not yours. This applies not JUST to Orthodox Schism. If you don't own characters, places, history... you don't have the right to change it. How do you know you have ownership? Simple: Did you make it? If yes, great. If no... you best leave its destiny to its creator.

5. IC will be opening this weekend, so CHILLAX until then.

Yes, this weekend. I want to get this done and start so that we can actually do things... otherwise this OOC will go NUTS with subtle hints of threats XDDD

So do plan ahead and scheme via TG or whatelse. I will personally be thinking of new ways for Korea to solidify its relations with its allies ^^

6. Everything concerning OP-related crap... send via TG

Yes. TG. Yes, even ones that I already know about.

No, I didn't ignore them... just got swamped by some serious issue in Russian land fracturing and OPs discussing what to do with guidances. Just send it to be again for good measure... include link if you have'em... or simply page number so I know where to look at. Otherwise... the chance that you will be ignored is VERY high ^^;;;

7. About nation-making...

Dudes... TG me first. I do NOT take kindly to you dropping apps on my OOC, expecting me to read them and give you critique. ESPECIALLY for guidances. You TG me first... and even IF it takes longer... I can tell you every step of the way EXACTLY what you need to do to have you fit into the RP.

If you have problem getting into touch with me... Helghan is your best stop. If you feel like you need some long-lined critiques that will make OP cry for mercy, talk to Novacom. Both are amazing people and will help you to the ends of the earth. SO LET THEM KNOW. I know for 1000% certainty that I will not be able to get around to your app if you drop them in the OOC thread.

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Alright, I think that about covers it. Welcome to the RP everyone!! I hope we can have another great summer scheming and killing each other !!!

[Western Imperial Union]

Announcements~!

1. The following members have been assigned the title of moderators for 1860: AD
Second Helghan Empire - Main Co-OP
Novacom - Co-OP
Cymrea - Co-OP

2. From this time (roughly 00:00 KST), all old RPers have 24 hours to declare their position to me by TG

If I do not receive TG by old members by that time, I will consider their lands usable by newcomers.

Also... I am not dumb. I know that Nova is still doing Aztec, Trace is doing Rome, Helghan is doing Hansa... Western is still Cheng, Christendom is here, Cambria is here, Ty and Ry are still doing awesome... oh and multi-account Brittany is under new management for the third time. It is people like Zion (although I do still know that he is joining us for Israel) and Quendi and Cap that I am waiting for... but do TG me if you wish to feel a bit on the safe side.

3. I will have Faction application done and workable maps by this Friday.

Also... do keep in mind that I am ONLY allowing faction application for nations that are under new management. No, seriously, even if... let's say France isn't coming. I am not going to have someone pop a Spain there in Iberian Peninsula without any regards to history of AD up until now. I want ACTUAL Iberian liberalization movement and actual establishment of Spain done on the IC. No if buts or nays.

The only true exceptions to this will be decided by me... in case you weren't aware, I am OP ^^... via TG. If you don't get a TG from me or if you don't TG me for privileges, you don't get to override existing history with yours, okay?

4. To those schemers and theorists: Go nuts, but don't insult others

This is a running problem with Orthodox Church in this RP... so much that we should seriously make this into a full event one of these days XDDD.

I have given instructions, but vague enough that it has been skimmed over: I allow theorizing and scheming. Just that... keep it PG. I don't want anyone offending anyone else. Feel free to toss each other vague threats of dominance or whatnot, but DO NOT attempt to claim something that is not yours. This applies not JUST to Orthodox Schism. If you don't own characters, places, history... you don't have the right to change it. How do you know you have ownership? Simple: Did you make it? If yes, great. If no... you best leave its destiny to its creator.

5. IC will be opening this weekend, so CHILLAX until then.

Yes, this weekend. I want to get this done and start so that we can actually do things... otherwise this OOC will go NUTS with subtle hints of threats XDDD

So do plan ahead and scheme via TG or whatelse. I will personally be thinking of new ways for Korea to solidify its relations with its allies ^^

6. Everything concerning OP-related crap... send via TG

Yes. TG. Yes, even ones that I already know about.

No, I didn't ignore them... just got swamped by some serious issue in Russian land fracturing and OPs discussing what to do with guidances. Just send it to be again for good measure... include link if you have'em... or simply page number so I know where to look at. Otherwise... the chance that you will be ignored is VERY high ^^;;;

7. About nation-making...

Dudes... TG me first. I do NOT take kindly to you dropping apps on my OOC, expecting me to read them and give you critique. ESPECIALLY for guidances. You TG me first... and even IF it takes longer... I can tell you every step of the way EXACTLY what you need to do to have you fit into the RP.

If you have problem getting into touch with me... Helghan is your best stop. If you feel like you need some long-lined critiques that will make OP cry for mercy, talk to Novacom. Both are amazing people and will help you to the ends of the earth. SO LET THEM KNOW. I know for 1000% certainty that I will not be able to get around to your app if you drop them in the OOC thread.

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Alright, I think that about covers it. Welcome to the RP everyone!! I hope we can have another great summer scheming and killing each other !!!

Woo!!! Party Party Party

[Rygondria]

Do i need to make a new app, and also Rome, interested in renewing the quest for the source of the Nile.

[The V O I D]

So Osc TG'd me about some polish-slavic union even though I'm trying to app as Peru.

Did I get accepted or no? What edits are needed for my app?

[Tracian Empire]

So Osc TG'd me about some polish-slavic union even though I'm trying to app as Peru.

Did I get accepted or no? What edits are needed for my app?

He most likely made a confusion between you and someone else. Have a little patience, we kinda overwhelmed him in the last days.

You should send him a TG again with your app, as he mentions in his big post on this page, I think.

[Tracian Empire]

Do i need to make a new app, and also Rome, interested in renewing the quest for the source of the Nile.

Yes of course. The Proconsuls and Dukes of the provinces of Aegyptus Inferior and Aegyptus Superior will be more than interested in something like that.

But we should also get help from Christendom, since his lands pretty much cut off my Egypt from the rest of Africa.

[The V O I D]

Repost just in cases, also TGing to OP.

Le App, hopefully not taking anything already taken.

Full Nation Name: El Consenso de Perú (Translated: The Peruvian Consensus)
Flag: Consensus Flag.
Majority/Official Culture: Peruvian.
Territorial Core : The golden-brown color in South America. Basically, what's left of South America and stuff.
Territorial Claim : N/A.
Capital City: Lima District / Lima, Peru.
Population: 20 Million-ish?

Government Type : Consensus Directorial Parliamentary Republic.
Government Ideology/Policies : Extremely democratic/republican, semi-isolationist, pro-diplomacy.
Government Focus : Economics/trade. The Consensus does not like the idea of being conquered or going to war.
Head of State: The Directorate Council: Director Adolfo Bello, Director Agustin Benitez, Director Alejandro Bolivar, Director Alexandre Bosque, and Director Benito Castell. All equally powerful / all powers of head of state/head of government given to each.
Head of Government : See above.
Government Description : The government answers directly to the people. Censuses are taken by the Supreme Parliament every 5 years to determine if they have support from the people; parties and opinions/policies are adjusted to fit majority consensus. Representatives from every political party are given numbers of seats in Parliament based upon majority ruling, with minor parties having less seats than the majority party. The Directorate Council [members called 'Directors'] are all heads of state/heads of government. Candidates are selected by their party and representatives in Parliament, and then elected by the people. The Directorate Council is formed up of five people, all with equal power. The Grand Court's justices/judges are elected directly by the Parliament as well, having eleven members. This is all to ensure the government cannot be corrupt and is responding to the people's will. The Directorate, nor the Supreme Parliament, nor the Grand Court can remove any power from the people or change the constitution via amendment without consent from the people.

Majority/State Religion : None/Secular Stance.
Religious Description : N/A.

Economic Ideologies : Internally/Locally: Somewhat of a mixed economics approach. Internationally/Abroad: Laissez-faire trade economics.
Major Production: Agricultural goods, rare metals [silver, gold, etc.]
Economic Description: Somewhat self-explanatory.

Army Strength: Efficient, well-trained.
Army Weakness: Small numbers, averagely equipped.
Naval Strength: Durable, large ships.
Naval Weakness: Small arms.
Further Military Description: The Consensus would rather solve problems without war if possible.

National Goals: Achieve highest economic status possible.
National Issues: The Consensus would like to have a stronger military for defense purposes.
National Figures of Interest: N/A.
National Ambition/Aspirations: Expand military, prevent self from being conquered.

History :

• Colony Established: The Peruvian Colony and its territories are established by a foreign country.
• 1795: The Colony liberates itself and unifies. The Peruvian Republic is established.
• 1820: Corruption and such in government causes the Republic to become too tyrannical. Uprisings and civil wars break out.
• 1840: After twenty years of fighting, the Republic falls. The Peruvian Consensus is established to replace it, and is set up to prevent any corruption from happening again.
• Modern Day: The Peruvian Consensus has been flourishing economically.

Comparison Points – Political : 4.
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : 2.
Comparison Points – Economy : 3.
Comparison Points – Military : 1.
Total Comparison Points used: 10/10

Guidance Name: Radical Liberalism Strikes!
Guidance Description : In the Peruvian Republic, after it became so corrupt and dictatorial, the people were fed up with the idea of a republic being so corruptible; but they didn't want an all powerful government either, nor one which would rule over them so badly. Thus, because of the spread of democratic ideals and radicals radicalizing them further and further, the idea of the Consensus was born.

After the Peruvian Civil War ended, and the Consensus was established, it was extremely radically liberal by the day's standards. No one wanted any possibility of any level of corruption. Even women were allowed to vote, as well as some of the more populous minorities, to some minor extents in local elections. However, none have run for office - whether because this is disallowed or they won't win is unknown. And no elections have occurred for them at the national level, yet. They do participate in censuses, however.
Affected Area: Just my nation, but the ideals of the Consensus might spread to those who trade with it.

[Rygondria]

Do i need to make a new app, and also Rome, interested in renewing the quest for the source of the Nile.

Yes of course. The Proconsuls and Dukes of the provinces of Aegyptus Inferior and Aegyptus Superior will be more than interested in something like that.

But we should also get help from Christendom, since his lands pretty much cut off my Egypt from the rest of Africa.

Yeah we could get some help from him if he shows up,.

[Benuty]

I had to read through so many pages.

[Togeria]

So Osc TG'd me about some polish-slavic union even though I'm trying to app as Peru.

Did I get accepted or no? What edits are needed for my app?

I think that post was directed towards me.

[Novacom]

Repost just in cases, also TGing to OP.

Le App, hopefully not taking anything already taken.

Full Nation Name: El Consenso de Perú (Translated: The Peruvian Consensus)
Flag: Consensus Flag.
Majority/Official Culture: Peruvian.
Territorial Core : The golden-brown color in South America. Basically, what's left of South America and stuff.
Territorial Claim : N/A.
Capital City: Lima District / Lima, Peru.
Population: 20 Million-ish?

Government Type : Consensus Directorial Parliamentary Republic.
Government Ideology/Policies : Extremely democratic/republican, semi-isolationist, pro-diplomacy.
Government Focus : Economics/trade. The Consensus does not like the idea of being conquered or going to war.
Head of State: The Directorate Council: Director Adolfo Bello, Director Agustin Benitez, Director Alejandro Bolivar, Director Alexandre Bosque, and Director Benito Castell. All equally powerful / all powers of head of state/head of government given to each.
Head of Government : See above.
Government Description : The government answers directly to the people. Censuses are taken by the Supreme Parliament every 5 years to determine if they have support from the people; parties and opinions/policies are adjusted to fit majority consensus. Representatives from every political party are given numbers of seats in Parliament based upon majority ruling, with minor parties having less seats than the majority party. The Directorate Council [members called 'Directors'] are all heads of state/heads of government. Candidates are selected by their party and representatives in Parliament, and then elected by the people. The Directorate Council is formed up of five people, all with equal power. The Grand Court's justices/judges are elected directly by the Parliament as well, having eleven members. This is all to ensure the government cannot be corrupt and is responding to the people's will. The Directorate, nor the Supreme Parliament, nor the Grand Court can remove any power from the people or change the constitution via amendment without consent from the people.

Majority/State Religion : None/Secular Stance.
Religious Description : N/A.

Economic Ideologies : Internally/Locally: Somewhat of a mixed economics approach. Internationally/Abroad: Laissez-faire trade economics.
Major Production: Agricultural goods, rare metals [silver, gold, etc.]
Economic Description: Somewhat self-explanatory.

Army Strength: Efficient, well-trained.
Army Weakness: Small numbers, averagely equipped.
Naval Strength: Durable, large ships.
Naval Weakness: Small arms.
Further Military Description: The Consensus would rather solve problems without war if possible.

National Goals: Achieve highest economic status possible.
National Issues: The Consensus would like to have a stronger military for defense purposes.
National Figures of Interest: N/A.
National Ambition/Aspirations: Expand military, prevent self from being conquered.

History :

• Colony Established: The Peruvian Colony and its territories are established by a foreign country.
• 1795: The Colony liberates itself and unifies. The Peruvian Republic is established.
• 1820: Corruption and such in government causes the Republic to become too tyrannical. Uprisings and civil wars break out.
• 1840: After twenty years of fighting, the Republic falls. The Peruvian Consensus is established to replace it, and is set up to prevent any corruption from happening again.
• Modern Day: The Peruvian Consensus has been flourishing economically.

Comparison Points – Political : 4.
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : 2.
Comparison Points – Economy : 3.
Comparison Points – Military : 1.
Total Comparison Points used: 10/10

Guidance Name: Radical Liberalism Strikes!
Guidance Description : In the Peruvian Republic, after it became so corrupt and dictatorial, the people were fed up with the idea of a republic being so corruptible; but they didn't want an all powerful government either, nor one which would rule over them so badly. Thus, because of the spread of democratic ideals and radicals radicalizing them further and further, the idea of the Consensus was born.

After the Peruvian Civil War ended, and the Consensus was established, it was extremely radically liberal by the day's standards. No one wanted any possibility of any level of corruption. Even women were allowed to vote, as well as some of the more populous minorities, to some minor extents in local elections. However, none have run for office - whether because this is disallowed or they won't win is unknown. And no elections have occurred for them at the national level, yet. They do participate in censuses, however.
Affected Area: Just my nation, but the ideals of the Consensus might spread to those who trade with it.

Looking fairly solid, could do with a bit more information on the history and a bit more information on your military, like who you were a colonial nation of, granted as a colonial nation you don't have a massive amount to do, if you can tweak these things I think it'll work quite well, as for your claim I think we can accept it with a few tweaks but you'll need to wait on exactly what you'll be able to get for good or for ill, you won't be getting Panama but you'll likely get something else though

Oh and the Guidance, put it in your history, believe me it's not needed yet save it for something pivotal.

[The V O I D]

Repost just in cases, also TGing to OP.

Looking fairly solid, could do with a bit more information on the history and a bit more information on your military, like who you were a colonial nation of, granted as a colonial nation you don't have a massive amount to do, if you can tweak these things I think it'll work quite well, as for your claim I think we can accept it with a few tweaks but you'll need to wait on exactly what you'll be able to get for good or for ill, you won't be getting Panama but you'll likely get something else though

Oh and the Guidance, put it in your history, believe me it's not needed yet save it for something pivotal.

Thanks. I'll edit my app soon. I wasn't sure whether or not to say Spain since, on the map in the OP, it seems France owns Spain... so I wasn't sure who I'd be a former colony of.

[Novacom]

Looking fairly solid, could do with a bit more information on the history and a bit more information on your military, like who you were a colonial nation of, granted as a colonial nation you don't have a massive amount to do, if you can tweak these things I think it'll work quite well, as for your claim I think we can accept it with a few tweaks but you'll need to wait on exactly what you'll be able to get for good or for ill, you won't be getting Panama but you'll likely get something else though

Oh and the Guidance, put it in your history, believe me it's not needed yet save it for something pivotal.

Thanks. I'll edit my app soon. I wasn't sure whether or not to say Spain since, on the map in the OP, it seems France owns Spain... so I wasn't sure who I'd be a former colony of.

There is no Spain so it's a tricky one I'd advise French in all honesty or Hansan.

[Oscalantine]

To all those who have given me their app... at this point is VOID and Trotza (If others sent via TG and I missed, send again plz. I was bombarded by TG bomb over Russia issue.)...

Stick around for a wee bit. After Russia issue, I am planning on not giving any hints of acceptance until 24 hours have passed and spots can be filled in again. I will notify the map fillings, and you folks can do whatever you want with it afterwards.

Also... and this is BIG ALSO... to those who are seeking to make new nation or faction on top of existing nations: YOU MUST RESPECT THE HISTORY OF PREVIOUS NATION!!! Whether it be overriding their history from another point of divergence or continuing where we left off, history of that nation MUST be quoted in some fashion.

[Rygondria]

Do you need to redo apps ?

[Oscalantine]

Do you need to redo apps ?

Unless something changed in your nation... I am planning on editing mine, but the link is still alive, and I'll stick to that ^^

[Rygondria]

Do you need to redo apps ?

Unless something changed in your nation... I am planning on editing mine, but the link is still alive, and I'll stick to that ^^

Besides the cease fire nothing really changed.

[Deutsch-Sudafrika]

I was actually just thinking the same thing. I wrote all this and posted it and then thought to myself "Is anyone going to care? At all?"

That and didn't you resolve this last thread with the civil war being over as you were trying to make moves and had people asking how on earth you could do that after being completely shattered

That's why I'm continuing it. Just because the Queen was killed along with the royal family doesn't mean the government would just lay down and die.
And Oscal, it's Courland and GDR in one account. Double power.

[Oscalantine]

That and didn't you resolve this last thread with the civil war being over as you were trying to make moves and had people asking how on earth you could do that after being completely shattered

That's why I'm continuing it. Just because the Queen was killed along with the royal family doesn't mean the government would just lay down and die.
And Oscal, it's Courland and GDR in one account. Double power.

I certainly hope you arent implying that you will be playing two nations at once...? Or how does this work out between Brittany and Courland??

[Novacom]

That's why I'm continuing it. Just because the Queen was killed along with the royal family doesn't mean the government would just lay down and die.
And Oscal, it's Courland and GDR in one account. Double power.

I certainly hope you arent implying that you will be playing two nations at once...? Or how does this work out between Brittany and Courland??

I certainly don't like that idea either, it's flat out wrong on more than one level...