1870 : Alternative Divergence [AH][OOC][Discussion]

[Second Helghan Empire]

It's more likely he recalled in attempt to calm the tension between Noble and Priest imo

Who said that Rome would let him go?

Everyone as he attended in a diplomatic sencse and would leave in such a manner or no one would trust your ass as far as they could throw it.

[Tracian Empire]

Yeah, the last Tsar, the one who married your queen, had a few children, as far as I can remember. One of them, a so called Prince Vasily, was visiting Constantinople at the end of the last roleplay. Meaning that, if the civil war started after that, there is a high chance that he would have remained there.

But I can't place a Slavic Prince as the ruler of something not Slavic.

And the house of Taurica is a cadet branch of the Palaeologos, so I'm going to integrate them in.

Vasiyl is actually Karina's husband.

Yes, the Crown Prince was in Constantinople at the end of the last roleplay.

[Tracian Empire]

Who said that Rome would let him go?

Everyone as he attended in a diplomatic sencse and would leave in such a manner or no one would trust your ass as far as they could throw it.

Firstly, calm the fuck down.

I was merely suggesting that if Togeria needed a way for the Crown Prince to survive the civil war, he could have remained in Constantinople, even if ICly, it would have needed a little more work on Rome's side to make him stay. He also didn't meet any other foreign diplomats after arriving in Constantinople, as his mission there was secret.

But it's Togeria's choice, if he wants to keep him and his wife for his new nation.

[Second Helghan Empire]

Vasiyl is actually Karina's husband.

Yes, the Crown Prince was in Constantinople at the end of the last roleplay.

During an International Diplomatic Wedding that pretty much the entire civilized world was invited to.

If you kept anyone against their wishes the world would essentially lose all trust of you.

[Togeria]

And as the faith becomes more fringe it'll affirm the belief of Karina and many in government that Perm Orthodoxy wants cause disorder and civil strife. Like half the Commonwealth and most of the most populated cities in the Commonwealth aren't Orthodox, but Catholic, and are most likely to subscribe to the believes of those laid down in Italy. This would cause one of three choices:
1. Potential collapse
2. Creating a new Orthodox Church to push out the Perm
3. Countering Orthodoxy all together by becoming more secular and/or spreading Catholicism.

Well it's hard not to when you close their churches Holy Church of Perm (the state) itself won't do anything but condemn the action Karina that claim to be secular but banning one religion because it didn't sit well with their monarchy, a horrendous blot of despotism.

There's actually fourth choices, in which Perm believer split from the Commonwealth in favor to create their own state. This is what the Holy Church wants instead total collapse of another state.

If anything the Perm believers would be pushed out eastward into what's left of Russia if they try and overthrow the monarchy. The civil war is still fresh in everyone's minds and the majority of the people being peasants not only look up to Karina but the efforts of the Tsar before his death with the most extreme holding the church of Perm responsible for Russia's collapse. In the two spectrums of this believe you have those that either wish to distance itself from Perm or those who outright want it discommunicated and destroyed. Then you have moderates who wish to see both states coexist and those who support Perm.

[Tracian Empire]

Yes, the Crown Prince was in Constantinople at the end of the last roleplay.

During an International Diplomatic Wedding that pretty much the entire civilized world was invited to.

If you kept anyone against their wishes the world would essentially lose all trust of you.

Arriving in Constantinople secretly, and we never actually get to the party, so it's not like anyone else knew that he was in the city.

And once again, it's simply a proposal. I seriously can't care any less whether he would have stayed in Constantinople or returned to the civil war torn Russia.

[Togeria]

Everyone as he attended in a diplomatic sencse and would leave in such a manner or no one would trust your ass as far as they could throw it.

Firstly, calm the fuck down.

I was merely suggesting that if Togeria needed a way for the Crown Prince to survive the civil war, he could have remained in Constantinople, even if ICly, it would have needed a little more work on Rome's side to make him stay. He also didn't meet any other foreign diplomats after arriving in Constantinople, as his mission there was secret.

But it's Togeria's choice, if he wants to keep him and his wife for his new nation.

If you could have found a way to keep him with his consent then sure. I mean he's more to your benefit than mine as since he has ties to the commonwealth via Karina and her supporters then he would prove a most useful person to you.

[Second Helghan Empire]

Everyone as he attended in a diplomatic sencse and would leave in such a manner or no one would trust your ass as far as they could throw it.

Firstly, calm the fuck down.

I was merely suggesting that if Togeria needed a way for the Crown Prince to survive the civil war, he could have remained in Constantinople, even if ICly, it would have needed a little more work on Rome's side to make him stay. He also didn't meet any other foreign diplomats after arriving in Constantinople, as his mission there was secret.

But it's Togeria's choice, if he wants to keep him and his wife for his new nation.

You need to calm down not me.

That is not what you were suggesting at all. You were suggesting you kept the Crown prince there against his wishes.

Stop attempting to bully players who are getting into the RP into what you want them to do by saying things like that.

As for the secret that was crap and you know it, it was an international meeting coinciding wsith the marriage of the Korean Viceroy.

[Stadenwick]

Well it's hard not to when you close their churches Holy Church of Perm (the state) itself won't do anything but condemn the action Karina that claim to be secular but banning one religion because it didn't sit well with their monarchy, a horrendous blot of despotism.

There's actually fourth choices, in which Perm believer split from the Commonwealth in favor to create their own state. This is what the Holy Church wants instead total collapse of another state.

If anything the Perm believers would be pushed out eastward into what's left of Russia if they try and overthrow the monarchy. The civil war is still fresh in everyone's minds and the majority of the people being peasants not only look up to Karina but the efforts of the Tsar before his death with the most extreme holding the church of Perm responsible for Russia's collapse. In the two spectrums of this believe you have those that either wish to distance itself from Perm or those who outright want it discommunicated and destroyed. Then you have moderates who wish to see both states coexist and those who support Perm.

And thus you see the conflict of Faith war
I wouldn't mind having Perm believer get exiled to the east into Russia, make Russia even more filled with Perm believer and Russian Patriach plan failed.

[Tracian Empire]

Firstly, calm the fuck down.

I was merely suggesting that if Togeria needed a way for the Crown Prince to survive the civil war, he could have remained in Constantinople, even if ICly, it would have needed a little more work on Rome's side to make him stay. He also didn't meet any other foreign diplomats after arriving in Constantinople, as his mission there was secret.

But it's Togeria's choice, if he wants to keep him and his wife for his new nation.

You need to calm down not me.

That is not what you were suggesting at all. You were suggesting you kept the Crown prince there against his wishes.

Stop attempting to bully players who are getting into the RP into what you want them to do by saying things like that.

As for the secret that was crap and you know it, it was an international meeting coinciding wsith the marriage of the Korean Viceroy.

He was there to talk to the Emperor. He got to one of the many ports of Constantinople, where he was met by a Roman delegation. There were no foreigners around, and his visit was never announced. And then the roleplay died. So, yes, I can assume that it was secret.

And then:

If you could have found a way to keep him with his consent then sure. I mean he's more to your benefit than mine as since he has ties to the commonwealth via Karina and her supporters then he would prove a most useful person to you.

So, I would kindly ask you to stop your senseless accusations, and stop butting in into the discussions of other players.

[Tracian Empire]

Firstly, calm the fuck down.

I was merely suggesting that if Togeria needed a way for the Crown Prince to survive the civil war, he could have remained in Constantinople, even if ICly, it would have needed a little more work on Rome's side to make him stay. He also didn't meet any other foreign diplomats after arriving in Constantinople, as his mission there was secret.

But it's Togeria's choice, if he wants to keep him and his wife for his new nation.

If you could have found a way to keep him with his consent then sure. I mean he's more to your benefit than mine as since he has ties to the commonwealth via Karina and her supporters then he would prove a most useful person to you.

It's technically your character now, so if you allow me, I would keep him with his consent.

[Togeria]

If anything the Perm believers would be pushed out eastward into what's left of Russia if they try and overthrow the monarchy. The civil war is still fresh in everyone's minds and the majority of the people being peasants not only look up to Karina but the efforts of the Tsar before his death with the most extreme holding the church of Perm responsible for Russia's collapse. In the two spectrums of this believe you have those that either wish to distance itself from Perm or those who outright want it discommunicated and destroyed. Then you have moderates who wish to see both states coexist and those who support Perm.

And thus you see the conflict of Faith war
I wouldn't mind having Perm believer get exiled to the east into Russia, make Russia even more filled with Perm believer and Russian Patriach plan failed.

I mean I personally care less about faith, and it's not a priority as it is to you or Rome. Likely the commonwealth will become Christian or Catholic as we're going to be seeking assistance from the west, namely Hansa.

[Togeria]

If you could have found a way to keep him with his consent then sure. I mean he's more to your benefit than mine as since he has ties to the commonwealth via Karina and her supporters then he would prove a most useful person to you.

It's technically your character now, so if you allow me, I would keep him with his consent.

I pass him to you. I'll have Karina assume he died, mainly because I want her to marry an other. So yes you have my consent to have him.

[Second Helghan Empire]

During an International Diplomatic Wedding that pretty much the entire civilized world was invited to.

If you kept anyone against their wishes the world would essentially lose all trust of you.

Arriving in Constantinople secretly, and we never actually get to the party, so it's not like anyone else knew that he was in the city.

And once again, it's simply a proposal. I seriously can't care any less whether he would have stayed in Constantinople or returned to the civil war torn Russia.

ALl that there was regarding his Prince's arrival to Constantinople was

Constantinople

Prince Vasily shook hands with the man. Like Constantine he had messy black hair, but the similarities ended there. Vasily was a bear of a man. Standing at 6'5" with massive broad shoulders and displaying a short but thick beard. He had intense ice blue eyes and shook the princes hand with a bold yet friendly power.

"It is a pleasure." Vasily said.

He introduced his wife, a small but shapely woman she seemed positively tiny compared to her husband. Blonde hair and pale blue eyes of her own, she was stunning. Both were relatively young. Vasily was only 28 and Karina far younger at 21. Though they looked like a stereotype come to life. A massive russian man seemingly built to fell forests and enemies alike, and his wife a beautiful though tough individual.

Your words exactly, before this were

The Russian delegation
As the Russians arrived in the port, they were waited by a guard of 12 Scholae Palatinae, in their red parade uniforms, and four Varangian Guards, with their parade uniforms, parade weapons, and of course, their viking axes, led by Prince Constantine Palaeologos, the same one who was going to leave for Russia after the celebrations. Prince Constantine was more like his brother, the Emperor, being born from the former Emperor's first marriage. With a black, somewhat messy hair, and eyes somewhere between brown and amber, Prince Constantine was a characteristic Mediterranean Roman.
"Ave, Prince Vasily of Russia. Welcome to Constantinople.", Prince Constantine welcomed them."I am Constantine Paeologos, First Prince of the Roman Empire. I would like to welcome you and your wife to the city, in the name of the Emperor, the Senate, and the People of Rome."

This was as you were greeting several delegations and nothing secret occurred there.

[Togeria]

Full Nation Name : The Slavic Commonwealth of the Polish, Ukrainians, Serbians, Russians, Slovenes, and all other Slavs(The Commonwealth).
Majority/Official Culture : Polish, Lithuanian, Ukrainian, Russian.
Territorial Core : https://gyazo.com/17cc3ebed37678dd68d0e499540dc24e
Territorial Claim : https://gyazo.com/17cc3ebed37678dd68d0e499540dc24e
Capital City : Warsaw, Poland.
Population : 33,000,000

Government Type : Constitutional Republic
Government Ideology/Policies : Defensive, Militant, Liberalism, Create Equality, Equity, and Opportunity.
Government Focus : The Government focus is based on the teaching from the book,"Pax Slavica". It calls for a union between all Slavs, and as such the country looks to structure itself as the Slavic Heartland and a haven for all Slavs to return to.
Head of State : Queen Karina Tsvetnova.
Head of Government : The Prime Minister Agata Bazek.
Government Description : The government structures itself as more of a republic then a monarchy. The Monarchy isn't weak however as while the Prime Minster isn't elected various positions in the Senate as well as other branches of government are filled on her wishes. She also has the power of being the head of the "Slavic Convocation" a house of government meant to represent all Slavs in the commonwealth in which representatives meet within Warsaw. There they discuss various matters of Domestic and Foreign importance and represent the nation on a global level.

Majority/State Religion : The state is officially secular and doesn't accept one religion. Despite that, the major religions of the state are both Orthodoxy(Roman and Perm) as well as Catholicism.
Religious Description : Look up the Orthodox and Catholic churches respectively.

Economic Ideologies : State-led Free Market Capitalism.
Major Production : Grain, machine parts, metals.
Economic Description : The state works to organize union to set equal wages between different jobs, and overall regulate businesses.

Army Strength : The Army is very passionate with many within the new borders willing to fight and die for the nation.
Army Weakness : Most everyone in the army is poor with a good majority required to bring their own weapons. This makes the army more of a militia then anything.
Naval Strength : We're good at protecting our coastline.
Naval Weakness : We have a very small coastline.
Further Military Description : [[OPTIONAL]]

National Goals :
Become the Slavic Heartland
Modernize
Continue the liberal policies of the old regime
National Issues : Many parts of the country have to be modernized with the need of new factories, railroads, and ports.
National Figures of Interest : [[OPTIONAL]] [[Are there any Mother Teresas or Moses that we need to know about?]]
National Ambition/Aspirations : Regain areas of the historical Slavs(Mainly Polish influenced).
History :
In the 1930s a paper titled "Pax Slavia" was written, it it called for not only peace among the Slavs, but a national homeland for them as well. While initially lacking in sales and popularity the paper grew as it was printed in a variety of different languages and spread along Eastern Europe. Its popularity would first gain strong popularity among the Serbs and then spread north and east to the Polish, Ukrainians, Belorussians, and even the Russians themselves.

As Russian went through revolution and the birth of the Neo-Russian empire was realized the reforms that saw modernization of the country as well as the peasant background of the Tsarina caused much controversy within the empire. This was further flamed as the Church of Perm grew in power and the nation erupted in civil war. Unfortunately, the tsar would be slain in battle as he led a defense of the country in east to protect the capital of Moscow. While he was slain however his wife, Karina had survived.

The Church of Perm in their succession had caused many groups within the former nation to rise. Of that was a nation who lied to furthermost western reaches of the empire, The Commonwealth. These men had gathered in the name of Slavic brotherhood and unity. Many in their ranks however had supported the former monarchy and in their quest to gain support from the outside had sent a envoy to the capital city of Moscow. The former Tsarina would be surprised of their entry and even more as they knelled before her to crown her as the 1st Queen of the Slavs, and she would accept.

With Karina now as the head of the nation the revolutionaries would march eastward in an attempt to claim what was left of the empire. They would succeed in taking most of the Ukraine, Belarus, and even east of that however in this offensive many of the armies numbers were dwindled by rival groups within the country as well as their equipment damaged. Unable to further expand The Commonwealth of the Slavs was declared with Karina as the head monarch. The first prime minster of the state was elected only months ago with the government having been properly established weeks before that. The country has much work to be done with much of the infrastructure in need of repair or remodeling. The government and state are however hopeful with many of the more liberal minds of the previous regime having moved within the nations borders. The nation looks for allies around it to help it grow into the proud nation it seeks to form into and the Slavic heartland it was created to be.
Comparison Points – Political :2
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious :3
Comparison Points – Economy :3
Comparison Points – Military :2
Total Comparison Points used (10 Points MAX) : 10/10

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[Second Helghan Empire]

And thus you see the conflict of Faith war
I wouldn't mind having Perm believer get exiled to the east into Russia, make Russia even more filled with Perm believer and Russian Patriach plan failed.

I mean I personally care less about faith, and it's not a priority as it is to you or Rome. Likely the commonwealth will become Christian or Catholic as we're going to be seeking assistance from the west, namely Hansa.

Hansa is mostly pagan actually.

[Second Helghan Empire]

You need to calm down not me.

That is not what you were suggesting at all. You were suggesting you kept the Crown prince there against his wishes.

Stop attempting to bully players who are getting into the RP into what you want them to do by saying things like that.

As for the secret that was crap and you know it, it was an international meeting coinciding wsith the marriage of the Korean Viceroy.

He was there to talk to the Emperor. He got to one of the many ports of Constantinople, where he was met by a Roman delegation. There were no foreigners around, and his visit was never announced. And then the roleplay died. So, yes, I can assume that it was secret.

And then:

If you could have found a way to keep him with his consent then sure. I mean he's more to your benefit than mine as since he has ties to the commonwealth via Karina and her supporters then he would prove a most useful person to you.

So, I would kindly ask you to stop your senseless accusations, and stop butting in into the discussions of other players.

I am just trying to maintain a chance for these players. I am not butting in, I am doing my job as co-op by making sure that a new player is adequately given opportunity.

[Togeria]

I mean I personally care less about faith, and it's not a priority as it is to you or Rome. Likely the commonwealth will become Christian or Catholic as we're going to be seeking assistance from the west, namely Hansa.

Hansa is mostly pagan actually.

What are your beliefs?

[Tracian Empire]

Arriving in Constantinople secretly, and we never actually get to the party, so it's not like anyone else knew that he was in the city.

And once again, it's simply a proposal. I seriously can't care any less whether he would have stayed in Constantinople or returned to the civil war torn Russia.

ALl that there was regarding his Prince's arrival to Constantinople was

Constantinople

Prince Vasily shook hands with the man. Like Constantine he had messy black hair, but the similarities ended there. Vasily was a bear of a man. Standing at 6'5" with massive broad shoulders and displaying a short but thick beard. He had intense ice blue eyes and shook the princes hand with a bold yet friendly power.

"It is a pleasure." Vasily said.

He introduced his wife, a small but shapely woman she seemed positively tiny compared to her husband. Blonde hair and pale blue eyes of her own, she was stunning. Both were relatively young. Vasily was only 28 and Karina far younger at 21. Though they looked like a stereotype come to life. A massive russian man seemingly built to fell forests and enemies alike, and his wife a beautiful though tough individual.

Your words exactly, before this were

The Russian delegation
As the Russians arrived in the port, they were waited by a guard of 12 Scholae Palatinae, in their red parade uniforms, and four Varangian Guards, with their parade uniforms, parade weapons, and of course, their viking axes, led by Prince Constantine Palaeologos, the same one who was going to leave for Russia after the celebrations. Prince Constantine was more like his brother, the Emperor, being born from the former Emperor's first marriage. With a black, somewhat messy hair, and eyes somewhere between brown and amber, Prince Constantine was a characteristic Mediterranean Roman.
"Ave, Prince Vasily of Russia. Welcome to Constantinople.", Prince Constantine welcomed them."I am Constantine Paeologos, First Prince of the Roman Empire. I would like to welcome you and your wife to the city, in the name of the Emperor, the Senate, and the People of Rome."

This was as you were greeting several delegations and nothing secret occurred there.

Yes, each one of them in a different port. Constantinople has around a dozen ports scattered all around. I was going to bring him directly to the palace, where he was going to meet the Emperor after he finished talking to the Austrian Empress, since he needed to negotiate with the Emperor and the Ecumenical Patriarch. There was absolutely no way for any other foreign delegation to meet him, see him, or hear about him before he got to the palace, which never happened.

But this discussion doesn't make any sense. Togeria has already allowed me to keep him in Constantinople with his consent.

[Togeria]

What year did the last RP end?

[Tracian Empire]

He was there to talk to the Emperor. He got to one of the many ports of Constantinople, where he was met by a Roman delegation. There were no foreigners around, and his visit was never announced. And then the roleplay died. So, yes, I can assume that it was secret.

And then:

If you could have found a way to keep him with his consent then sure. I mean he's more to your benefit than mine as since he has ties to the commonwealth via Karina and her supporters then he would prove a most useful person to you.

So, I would kindly ask you to stop your senseless accusations, and stop butting in into the discussions of other players.

I am just trying to maintain a chance for these players. I am not butting in, I am doing my job as co-op by making sure that a new player is adequately given opportunity.

Which is happening. I never forced anyone to do anything. I was simply stating my idea, and waiting for his approval, before you entered the discussion, clearly hostile.

So why I appreciate that you are trying to do your job as CO-OP, you could stop thinking that everything I say or propose is "bullying new players"

[Tracian Empire]

It's technically your character now, so if you allow me, I would keep him with his consent.

I pass him to you. I'll have Karina assume he died, mainly because I want her to marry an other. So yes you have my consent to have him.

The Autocrinus, the secret police of the Roman Empire, will keep him well hidden.

[Togeria]

Since there's a separate crown what does that mean about Coureland?

[Obilisia]

*coughs*

Yeah don't mean to be a pain but if I'm not mistaken the beo russian empire is mine and I will do with i t what I want.I want to play this rp.

[Second Helghan Empire]

Hansa is mostly pagan actually.

What are your beliefs?

Proto-christian germanic norse.

So like odin and thor.