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Postby Sanabel » Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:11 pm

I do hope we have some small nations in this RP. That's why I'm claiming puppets/client states like Armenia and Courland...
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Postby Rygondria » Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:16 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Rygondria wrote:They are probably going to speak a mixture of norse and Frisian, along with Fleming in the south lands, trying to come up with name for them that sounds Nordic sine a mixture like this will not produce dutch, maybe Wet lander or something like that.

Sørland maybe? It means "Southern Land," which would make sense from the point of view of Scandinavian settlers.

Yeah that would make since mostly, Relgious wise they will be catholic but they still keep the honor bound Traditions from the old gods and might be a little more aggressive religiously

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Postby Cabana » Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:16 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Rygondria wrote:They are probably going to speak a mixture of norse and Frisian, along with Fleming in the south lands, trying to come up with name for them that sounds Nordic sine a mixture like this will not produce dutch, maybe Wet lander or something like that.

Sørland maybe? It means "Southern Land," which would make sense from the point of view of Scandinavian settlers.

Maybe Sudlikelan (Frisian), Suðurland/Suthurland (Icelandic which is pretty close to Old Norse) or Sydligejord (Danish) (if these are incorrect don't hit me it was googles fault).

Also when you say Frisia, do you mean
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or
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?
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Postby Atreidya » Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:17 pm

I was thinking an Ethiopian Caliphate or something, like the 'iithyubia alkhilafa or something

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Postby Old Tyrannia » Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:18 pm

Atreidya wrote:I was thinking an Ethiopian Caliphate or something, like the 'iithyubia alkhilafa or something

It would be cool to have an Islamic power as well. Would it still be under the Solomonic dynasty?
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Postby Rygondria » Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:18 pm

Cabana wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:Sørland maybe? It means "Southern Land," which would make sense from the point of view of Scandinavian settlers.

Maybe Sudlikelan (Frisian), Suðurland/Suthurland (Icelandic which is pretty close to Old Norse) or Sydligejord (Danish) (if these are incorrect don't hit me it was googles fault).

Also when you say Frisia, do you mean
Image
or
Image
?

I mean they landed in frisia first then eventually overran the Lowlands, but their heart land would be located in the first photo.

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Postby Cabana » Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:20 pm

Atreidya wrote:I was thinking an Ethiopian Caliphate or something, like the 'iithyubia alkhilafa or something

Would be a bit odd since Ethiopia always was a stronghold for Judaism and Christianity, but you could do something like a Somali or Nubian invasion that created Al-Khilafat Al-Ithyubia. In my opinion I think it'd make more sense if the state was in Sudan.
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Postby Atreidya » Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:20 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Atreidya wrote:I was thinking an Ethiopian Caliphate or something, like the 'iithyubia alkhilafa or something

It would be cool to have an Islamic power as well. Would it still be under the Solomonic dynasty?


Maybe I am not sure.

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Postby Atreidya » Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:21 pm

Cabana wrote:
Atreidya wrote:I was thinking an Ethiopian Caliphate or something, like the 'iithyubia alkhilafa or something

Would be a bit odd since Ethiopia always was a stronghold for Judaism and Christianity, but you could do something like a Somali or Nubian invasion that created Al-Khilafat Al-Ithyubia. In my opinion I think it'd make more sense if the state was in Sudan.


Thats why its alt history :p

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Postby Old Tyrannia » Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:24 pm

Cabana wrote:
Atreidya wrote:I was thinking an Ethiopian Caliphate or something, like the 'iithyubia alkhilafa or something

Would be a bit odd since Ethiopia always was a stronghold for Judaism and Christianity, but you could do something like a Somali or Nubian invasion that created Al-Khilafat Al-Ithyubia. In my opinion I think it'd make more sense if the state was in Sudan.

There has long been a significant Islamic presence in the region, so an alternate history where Ethiopia converted to Islam is not all that implausible compared to, say, a 19th-century Hunnic empire, a Roman colonised Brazil or a Norse India.
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Postby Cabana » Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:24 pm

Rygondria wrote:
Cabana wrote:Maybe Sudlikelan (Frisian), Suðurland/Suthurland (Icelandic which is pretty close to Old Norse) or Sydligejord (Danish) (if these are incorrect don't hit me it was googles fault).

Also when you say Frisia, do you mean or ?

I mean they landed in frisia first then eventually overran the Lowlands, but their heart land would be located in the first photo.

Hmm, are they descended directly from Norsemen or did they intermingle? Cause for the former I think either Lítilland or Lágtlönd might be good, and for the latter maybe Legelân or Legelannen.

Atreidya wrote:
Cabana wrote:Would be a bit odd since Ethiopia always was a stronghold for Judaism and Christianity, but you could do something like a Somali or Nubian invasion that created Al-Khilafat Al-Ithyubia. In my opinion I think it'd make more sense if the state was in Sudan.


Thats why its alt history :p

Well I know im jus sayin' it'd make more sense for a Sudanese caliphate, but it's your thing I ain't stoppin ya. If you go with the Solomonic dynasty idea, how about calling the country like the al-Sulaimani Caliphate or somethin' similar (as al-Sulaimani is Arabic for Solomonic)
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Postby Atreidya » Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:25 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Cabana wrote:Would be a bit odd since Ethiopia always was a stronghold for Judaism and Christianity, but you could do something like a Somali or Nubian invasion that created Al-Khilafat Al-Ithyubia. In my opinion I think it'd make more sense if the state was in Sudan.

There has long been a significant Islamic presence in the region, so an alternate history where Ethiopia converted to Islam is not all that implausible compared to, say, a 19th-century Hunnic empire, a Roman colonised Brazil or a Norse India.


Norse India?

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Postby Cabana » Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:25 pm

Atreidya wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:There has long been a significant Islamic presence in the region, so an alternate history where Ethiopia converted to Islam is not all that implausible compared to, say, a 19th-century Hunnic empire, a Roman colonised Brazil or a Norse India.


Norse India?

Yeah that was from the last RP, Saxhavall was the name iirc
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:26 pm

Atreidya wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:There has long been a significant Islamic presence in the region, so an alternate history where Ethiopia converted to Islam is not all that implausible compared to, say, a 19th-century Hunnic empire, a Roman colonised Brazil or a Norse India.


Norse India?

Elerian's version of India, Saxahvall, was descended from a Norse colony in India.
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Postby Rygondria » Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:26 pm

Cabana wrote:
Rygondria wrote:I mean they landed in frisia first then eventually overran the Lowlands, but their heart land would be located in the first photo.

Hmm, are they descended directly from Norsemen or did they intermingle? Cause for the former I think either Lítilland or Lágtlönd might be good, and for the latter maybe Legelân or Legelannen.

Atreidya wrote:
Thats why its alt history :p

Well I know im jus sayin' it'd make more sense for a Sudanese caliphate, but it's your thing I ain't stoppin ya. If you go with the Solomonic dynasty idea, how about calling the country like the al-Sulaimani Caliphate or somethin' similar (as al-Sulaimani is Arabic for Solomonic)

They intermingled but the Norse side culture is a little stronger but Frisian culture still is a major part of the culture

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Postby Atreidya » Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:27 pm

Cabana wrote:
Rygondria wrote:I mean they landed in frisia first then eventually overran the Lowlands, but their heart land would be located in the first photo.

Hmm, are they descended directly from Norsemen or did they intermingle? Cause for the former I think either Lítilland or Lágtlönd might be good, and for the latter maybe Legelân or Legelannen.

Atreidya wrote:
Thats why its alt history :p

Well I know im jus sayin' it'd make more sense for a Sudanese caliphate, but it's your thing I ain't stoppin ya. If you go with the Solomonic dynasty idea, how about calling the country like the al-Sulaimani Caliphate or somethin' similar (as al-Sulaimani is Arabic for Solomonic)



OHHH that is what I am gunna do

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Postby The V O I D » Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:28 pm

So, again, with my Italia: communist/socialist Italia, fascist Italia, regular Roman-Imperial Italia and Papal Italia are my options so far.

I want someone to tell me which one sounds the best.

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Postby Old Tyrannia » Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:29 pm

The V O I D wrote:So, again, with my Italia: communist/socialist Italia, fascist Italia, regular Roman-Imperial Italia and Papal Italia are my options so far.

I want someone to tell me which one sounds the best.

It's the 19th century, a fascist or communist Italy would be anachronistic.
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Postby Sanabel » Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:30 pm

The V O I D wrote:So, again, with my Italia: communist/socialist Italia, fascist Italia, regular Roman-Imperial Italia and Papal Italia are my options so far.

I want someone to tell me which one sounds the best.

Roman-Imperial sounds best and easiest. The others would likely make it a pariah, though you may want that.

They all sound cool, tbh.
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Postby Atreidya » Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:32 pm

The V O I D wrote:So, again, with my Italia: communist/socialist Italia, fascist Italia, regular Roman-Imperial Italia and Papal Italia are my options so far.

I want someone to tell me which one sounds the best.


communist italy would be cool

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Postby Sanabel » Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:35 pm

Make a liberal republican Italy so Novgorod wont be the only bastion of political freedom. :p
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Postby Cabana » Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:37 pm

Rygondria wrote:
Cabana wrote:Hmm, are they descended directly from Norsemen or did they intermingle? Cause for the former I think either Lítilland or Lágtlönd might be good, and for the latter maybe Legelân or Legelannen.


Well I know im jus sayin' it'd make more sense for a Sudanese caliphate, but it's your thing I ain't stoppin ya. If you go with the Solomonic dynasty idea, how about calling the country like the al-Sulaimani Caliphate or somethin' similar (as al-Sulaimani is Arabic for Solomonic)

They intermingled but the Norse side culture is a little stronger but Frisian culture still is a major part of the culture

Hm, so I think keeping the "lowlands" naming is good, maybe like Leechlân or Láglendi? Would you maybe wanna have it named something else instead?

Sanabel wrote:Make a liberal republican Italy so Novgorod wont be the only bastion of political freedom. :p

New Englaaaaaaaand
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Postby The V O I D » Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:38 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:
The V O I D wrote:So, again, with my Italia: communist/socialist Italia, fascist Italia, regular Roman-Imperial Italia and Papal Italia are my options so far.

I want someone to tell me which one sounds the best.

It's the 19th century, a fascist or communist Italy would be anachronistic.


Communism/socialism as a concept, specifically Marxism, was created in 1848. I could pull off a socialist/communist Italia.

As for fascist, it seems the least likely so you're right on with that. Then again, it is alt-history so who knows. *shrug*

Sanabel wrote:
The V O I D wrote:So, again, with my Italia: communist/socialist Italia, fascist Italia, regular Roman-Imperial Italia and Papal Italia are my options so far.

I want someone to tell me which one sounds the best.

Roman-Imperial sounds best and easiest. The others would likely make it a pariah, though you may want that.

They all sound cool, tbh.


I know, right? Regardless, I plan for Italia - whichever incarnation it is - to have been created after a long history of Roman culture due to, after the Roman Empire collapsed, it re-consolidated power over the Italian peninsula and such, and slowly regrew to the size as shown on my map. Then it either existed till now (if I go Roman-Imperial), underwent a communist / socialist revolution (if communist/socialist Italia), underwent a fascist coup (if fascist Italia) or, possibly, the Imperial government ended up failing to some degree due to the power of the Church overwhelming it, making the government a de facto / semi-de jure theocracy (if I go Papal Italia).

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Postby Sanabel » Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:39 pm

Cabana wrote:
Rygondria wrote:They intermingled but the Norse side culture is a little stronger but Frisian culture still is a major part of the culture

Hm, so I think keeping the "lowlands" naming is good, maybe like Leechlân or Láglendi? Would you maybe wanna have it named something else instead?

Sanabel wrote:Make a liberal republican Italy so Novgorod wont be the only bastion of political freedom. :p

New Englaaaaaaaand

Oh, right.

Perhaps we can have an IC symbolic gesture of friendship, like a monument built or something. :p
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Postby Cabana » Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:40 pm

Sanabel wrote:
Cabana wrote:Hm, so I think keeping the "lowlands" naming is good, maybe like Leechlân or Láglendi? Would you maybe wanna have it named something else instead?


New Englaaaaaaaand

Oh, right.

Perhaps we can have an IC symbolic gesture of friendship, like a monument built or something. :p

Embassy possibly
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