1870 : Alternative Divergence [AH][OOC][Discussion]

[Togeria]

For my own survival my policy has to follow Realpolitik. I can't afford picking favorites.

[Tracian Empire]

Accelerate how? A colonial war couldn't have helped me modernize in any way. The West is still keeping me behind a cordon sanitaire, and I can't just make a sign with my magic wand and start modernizing. On the other hand, it would have worsened my relations with the West, exponentially increasing the chances of a homeland war. It would have been a waste of my troops, ships, and resources I already need to protect my possessions in Aegyptus and Libya.

The whole testing things in a practical application, war driving innovation, the whole incentive and the like, as for relations your kidding right, the only nation you had "poor" relations with was Christendom and you yourself said you were working on improving them, as for that cordon you yourself helped erect that by believing it a thing.

Once again, from where? I can't modernize on my own. I need help. Colonial wars wouldn't have helped me modernize. They might have increased my will to modernize, but that already exists anyway

I have poor relations with Christendom, which automatically led to poor relations with Hansa, which led to poor relations with France. So yes, by all purposes, it is the beginning of a cordon sanitaire.

And by working on improving them I always meant bringing them to a point where wouldn't instantly kill each other. The situation in Egypt is stopping us from ever truly improving our relations.

[Tracian Empire]

Wasn't this originating from French?

Yes, but it is a phrase used in English just as well. That's my point: Non-native speakers of English don't often have a solid grip of French phrases used in English, and I'd say that cordon sanitaire is one of the more obscure ones.

I've read a lot of history books in English, since the Romanian ones aren't that good. And I specifically learned that phrase from a book about the interwar Europe, which described by the cordon sanitaire France created against the USSR.

[Novacom]

The whole testing things in a practical application, war driving innovation, the whole incentive and the like, as for relations your kidding right, the only nation you had "poor" relations with was Christendom and you yourself said you were working on improving them, as for that cordon you yourself helped erect that by believing it a thing.

Once again, from where? I can't modernize on my own. I need help. Colonial wars wouldn't have helped me modernize. They might have increased my will to modernize, but that already exists anyway

I have poor relations with Christendom, which automatically led to poor relations with Hansa, which led to poor relations with France. So yes, by all purposes, it is the beginning of a cordon sanitaire.

And by working on improving them I always meant bringing them to a point where wouldn't instantly kill each other. The situation in Egypt is stopping us from ever truly improving our relations.

I think you underestimate practical experience, which would have had an effect over the theoretical, but I have my IC posts to work on so I won't try and convince you otherwise as to how your situation could have been so much different had you chosen different paths.

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

The whole testing things in a practical application, war driving innovation, the whole incentive and the like, as for relations your kidding right, the only nation you had "poor" relations with was Christendom and you yourself said you were working on improving them, as for that cordon you yourself helped erect that by believing it a thing.

Once again, from where? I can't modernize on my own. I need help. Colonial wars wouldn't have helped me modernize. They might have increased my will to modernize, but that already exists anyway

I have poor relations with Christendom, which automatically led to poor relations with Hansa, which led to poor relations with France. So yes, by all purposes, it is the beginning of a cordon sanitaire.

And by working on improving them I always meant bringing them to a point where wouldn't instantly kill each other. The situation in Egypt is stopping us from ever truly improving our relations.

If I recall correctly, Osc has given the rp a grace period where we are meant to set up alliances and such, and in which war shall not occur. This could help you pretty well.

After all, as I said before: War is not about winning, it is about convincing the other side it's not worth it. Manzikert would've ended differently had the emperor chosen death, and his heir taken up the throne. You can build a strong enough alliance to convince aggressive powers that your lands are not worth the fighting and risk involved.

[Tracian Empire]

Once again, from where? I can't modernize on my own. I need help. Colonial wars wouldn't have helped me modernize. They might have increased my will to modernize, but that already exists anyway

I have poor relations with Christendom, which automatically led to poor relations with Hansa, which led to poor relations with France. So yes, by all purposes, it is the beginning of a cordon sanitaire.

And by working on improving them I always meant bringing them to a point where wouldn't instantly kill each other. The situation in Egypt is stopping us from ever truly improving our relations.

I think you underestimate practical experience, which would have had an effect over the theoretical, but I have my IC posts to work on so I won't try and convince you otherwise as to how your situation could have been so much different had you chosen different paths.

Practical experience on what? I could have picked up guns from my enemies and such, but that wouldn't have been a technological advancement.

[Tracian Empire]

Once again, from where? I can't modernize on my own. I need help. Colonial wars wouldn't have helped me modernize. They might have increased my will to modernize, but that already exists anyway

I have poor relations with Christendom, which automatically led to poor relations with Hansa, which led to poor relations with France. So yes, by all purposes, it is the beginning of a cordon sanitaire.

And by working on improving them I always meant bringing them to a point where wouldn't instantly kill each other. The situation in Egypt is stopping us from ever truly improving our relations.

If I recall correctly, Osc has given the rp a grace period where we are meant to set up alliances and such, and in which war shall not occur. This could help you pretty well.

After all, as I said before: War is not about winning, it is about convincing the other side it's not worth it. Manzikert would've ended differently had the emperor chosen death, and his heir taken up the throne. You can build a strong enough alliance to convince aggressive powers that your lands are not worth the fighting and risk involved.

As far as I know, the grace period only applied for new nations.

And that's what I'm trying to do. France is the one who is aggressive about taking the fight to Hanse, while I'm stubbornly trying to defend my own lands.

[Old Tyrannia]

And that's what I'm trying to do. France is the one who is aggressive about taking the fight to Hands, while I'm stubbornly trying to defend my own lands.

Those filthy Hands. They think they're so fancy with their opposable thumbs and remarkable dexterity. We will destroy them all, and usher in a new age of Foot supremacy.

[Tracian Empire]

And that's what I'm trying to do. France is the one who is aggressive about taking the fight to Hands, while I'm stubbornly trying to defend my own lands.

Those filthy Hands. They think they're so fancy with their opposable thumbs and remarkable dexterity. We will destroy them all, and usher in a new age of Foot supremacy.

It's not necessarily my fault that Google ruined their keyboard, and that it's too late in the night for me to actually read my posts.

*Hanse.

[Old Tyrannia]

Those filthy Hands. They think they're so fancy with their opposable thumbs and remarkable dexterity. We will destroy them all, and usher in a new age of Foot supremacy.

It's not necessarily my fault that Google ruined their keyboard, and that it's too late in the night for me to actually read my posts.

*Hanse.

I wasn't trying to mock you. I was just making a joke.

[Tracian Empire]

I just posted, invited Romans to the capital.

I will send the Third Prince.

[Tracian Empire]

It's not necessarily my fault that Google ruined their keyboard, and that it's too late in the night for me to actually read my posts.

*Hanse.

I wasn't trying to mock you. I was just making a joke.

I know, that was just my frustration on not being able to find a good Android keyboard.

[Danceria]

I do not think that there is an excellent location on this map where one is not sandwiched between presumably powerful nations...

[Novacom]

I do not think that there is an excellent location on this map where one is not sandwiched between presumably powerful nations...

There is Brazil who despite having recently lost a war is in an excellent position...

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

I suppose I'll start up on a post now.

[Danceria]

I do not think that there is an excellent location on this map where one is not sandwiched between presumably powerful nations...

There is Brazil who despite having recently lost a war is in an excellent position...

Doesn't someone already have a Brazil (I assume all the colored nations are the nations that are being played in this world...and are players among y'all)

[Arvenia]

Just call my state the Queendom of Nepal.

[Novacom]

There is Brazil who despite having recently lost a war is in an excellent position...

Doesn't someone already have a Brazil (I assume all the colored nations are the nations that are being played in this world...and are players among y'all)

Brazil has been left on quite a few nations were with the caveat that when taken over they had to respect the history but could alter the current government, so at present Brazil is vacant but as I said has recently been on the end of a stinging defeat from my own Aztek Ascendancy but apart from that still has a fully viable colonial empire and it's only issues will be instability from a massive loss of face and prestige from losing a conflict of it's own engineering with a power it considered inferior after having been warned not to meddle in my backyard.

http://imgur.com/ISVvb0Y is a current version of the map by the by.

[Deutsch-Sudafrika]

I've laid the groundwork for a French nationalist dictatorship, a la Nazi Germany.

[Orthodox States]

Question, where is the American Commonwealth? I sent them a telegram 4 days ago, not a single word or acknowledgement they read the telegram. Am I just being impatient?

[Novacom]

I've laid the groundwork for a French nationalist dictatorship, a la Nazi Germany.

Care to reconcile this with the Guidance about Socialist, Anarchist and Left-Wing insurgencies?

[Arvenia]

Guidance Application

[code]Guidance Name : Female Liberation
Guidance Description : From 1848 to 1850, women revolted against the Nepalese patriarchy. It succeeded and a matriarchy was formed.
Affected Area : Nepal and South Asia

[Old Tyrannia]

Guidance Application

[code]Guidance Name : Female Liberation
Guidance Description : From 1848 to 1850, women revolted against the Nepalese patriarchy. It succeeded and a matriarchy was formed.
Affected Area : Nepal and South Asia

I know I have no authority on this matter, and up to this point I have refrained from commenting out of respect, but I have been involved in RPs with Arvenia before and I feel it must be said that they are not a good RPer and have not shown any real indication of a willingness to learn. I'd advise against accepting Arvenia's application.

Question, where is the American Commonwealth? I sent them a telegram 4 days ago, not a single word or acknowledgement they read the telegram. Am I just being impatient?

The American Commonwealth player is somewhat inconsistent with regards to their activity level.

[Togeria]

Guidance Application

[code]Guidance Name : Female Liberation
Guidance Description : From 1848 to 1850, women revolted against the Nepalese patriarchy. It succeeded and a matriarchy was formed.
Affected Area : Nepal and South Asia

Osc wants guidances to affect as much of the world as possible what you submitted would work as a national ideology or just simple history.

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

Guidance Application

[code]Guidance Name : Female Liberation
Guidance Description : From 1848 to 1850, women revolted against the Nepalese patriarchy. It succeeded and a matriarchy was formed.
Affected Area : Nepal and South Asia

Osc wants guidances to affect as much of the world as possible what you submitted would work as a national ideology or just simple history.

Also worth noting that no place in India was really a patriarchy, even in their peak period of low civil liberties for women. Nepal is certainly included with Indian culture as a whole in this regard.