Reign of the Heirs|Fantasy Medieval|Worldbuilding|DEAD

[Relikai]

Kozakura - Samurai armed troops wmwith the doctrine of English longbows. Anti-magic Shrine Maidens and elemental control to turn Sand into Mud.

Turning Desert Elf territory into mud is the equivalent of hydrating Nevada.

I'm talking about the tactical battlefield. A hedgehog with bows to outrange most cavalry weapons, we don't need mobility during defence. We want a strong position.

If we need long term hydration, we can dig. Dig. Dig and always dig. Dig em like the olde Chinese Farmers before they decided to farm gold instead of more rice.

[The Forsworn Knights]

Yeah, I think the only way to beat the Dwarves at siege warfare is to be the dwarves.
From what I understand the militaristic strengths of each race are:
Humans: Statistically has the most of the Greatest Military Minds due to their massive populations, In addition, there are statistically more human soldiers than any other race because of the sheer number of Humans.
Dwarves: Most technologically advanced, nearly impossible to defeat in siege warfare.
Dark Elves: Best Magic Users, and hardened by their constant wars which are necessitated by their curse.
Highborn Elves: Vast armies, heavily fortified city-states.
Wood Elves: Masters of guerilla warfare, hardened by their constant wars with the Dark Elves.
Sand Elves: Masters of Cavalry, hardened by living in an inhospitable desert.
Orcs: Fuck if I know, all I know is that they are NPC's, although they are more organized in this RP than they are often portrayed.

The highborn don't have vast armies and heavily fortified city states. I think they are petty kings and constantly infighting right? Though yes, they are the most civilly evolved.

As for dwarves that isn't completely true. The Human cities and forts are also very sturdy and stable. The dwarves just have access to more technology, because they are the dwarves and yeah.

We are talking about a race that looks at a valley and says 'You know, we COULD build a nearly impregnable fortress that would be hard to undermine in the mountains, but why not go one step further, give our enemies the finger, and turn mother nature itself into our fortress?'

[Relikai]

Yeah, I think the only way to beat the Dwarves at siege warfare is to be the dwarves.
From what I understand the militaristic strengths of each race are:
Humans: Statistically has the most of the Greatest Military Minds due to their massive populations, In addition, there are statistically more human soldiers than any other race because of the sheer number of Humans.
Dwarves: Most technologically advanced, nearly impossible to defeat in siege warfare.
Dark Elves: Best Magic Users, and hardened by their constant wars which are necessitated by their curse.
Highborn Elves: Vast armies, heavily fortified city-states.
Wood Elves: Masters of guerilla warfare, hardened by their constant wars with the Dark Elves.
Sand Elves: Masters of Cavalry, hardened by living in an inhospitable desert.
Orcs: Fuck if I know, all I know is that they are NPC's, although they are more organized in this RP than they are often portrayed.

I wouldn't lump all of the humans together. Maybe the big-boy nations like the Crownlands and Kozakura, but (post edit) Terzi doesnt even have a real standing military, instead fielding thousands of civilian vessels full of legally permitted corsairs who follow no rules and intend to keep foreigners from hurting their haven at the island. It's order kept through disorder. We've also historically funded the Kozakura, when pirates don't quite cut it.

Good to have the Iron Bank on our side, especially when a disgruntled human decides to take back what was her's...

Totally not ASoIaF

[Boergandina]

I wouldn't lump all of the humans together. Maybe the big-boy nations like the Crownlands and Kozakura, but (post edit) Terzi doesnt even have a real standing military, instead fielding thousands of civilian vessels full of legally permitted corsairs who follow no rules and intend to keep foreigners from hurting their haven at the island. It's order kept through disorder. We've also historically funded the Kozakura, when pirates don't quite cut it.

Good to have the Iron Bank on our side, especially when a disgruntled human decides to take back what was her's...

Totally not ASoIaF

I have literally no idea what you're talking about. What is ASOLAF?

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

The highborn don't have vast armies and heavily fortified city states. I think they are petty kings and constantly infighting right? Though yes, they are the most civilly evolved.

As for dwarves that isn't completely true. The Human cities and forts are also very sturdy and stable. The dwarves just have access to more technology, because they are the dwarves and yeah.

We are talking about a race that looks at a valley and says 'You know, we COULD build a nearly impregnable fortress that would be hard to undermine in the mountains, but why not go one step further, give our enemies the finger, and turn mother nature itself into our fortress?'

Elves go further, and add an actual fortress on top of a natural one.

Yeah, I think the only way to beat the Dwarves at siege warfare is to be the dwarves.
From what I understand the militaristic strengths of each race are:
Humans: Statistically has the most of the Greatest Military Minds due to their massive populations, In addition, there are statistically more human soldiers than any other race because of the sheer number of Humans.
Dwarves: Most technologically advanced, nearly impossible to defeat in siege warfare.
Dark Elves: Best Magic Users, and hardened by their constant wars which are necessitated by their curse.
Highborn Elves: Vast armies, heavily fortified city-states.
Wood Elves: Masters of guerilla warfare, hardened by their constant wars with the Dark Elves.
Sand Elves: Masters of Cavalry, hardened by living in an inhospitable desert.
Orcs: Fuck if I know, all I know is that they are NPC's, although they are more organized in this RP than they are often portrayed.

The highborn don't have vast armies and heavily fortified city states. I think they are petty kings and constantly infighting right? Though yes, they are the most civilly evolved.

As for dwarves that isn't completely true. The Human cities and forts are also very sturdy and stable. The dwarves just have access to more technology, because they are the dwarves and yeah.

I compared Arthan to Vicksburg, which in actual combat was perhaps the most lopsided defense in American history. Every time an assault was launched against it, thousands were lost in the attempt with almost no progress ever made, and the defending casualties were minimal to say the least.

The Highborn are very well armed and armored. They don't conduct much infighting militarily because they realize it is near impossible to actually beat one another given the forces that they have. Like the Italian city-states, they have plenty of wealth generated from internal trade to both fortify and arm their smaller professional armies. They instead prefer to use shows of dominance like, say, kidnapping and enslaving a princess.

For a medieval comparison, think of the Theodosian Walls for an idea of how difficult it is to get into Arthan. Other city-states are not as well fortified, especially since Arthan is atop a hill with a steep defensive ridge offering plenty of natural defense, but none of the Highborn would be easy to defeat in warfare, and they consider outsiders a much larger threat than they consider each other.

Good to have the Iron Bank on our side, especially when a disgruntled human decides to take back what was her's...

Totally not ASoIaF

I have literally no idea what you're talking about. What is ASOLAF?

A Song of Lice and Fire.

[Relikai]

If we're sticking Lore wise, I'm guessing that Elves and Dwarves do reproduce at a slower rate as was the common trope in most fantasy themes?

[The Forsworn Knights]

If we're sticking Lore wise, I'm guessing that Elves and Dwarves do reproduce at a slower rate as was the common trope in most fantasy themes?

No clue with the elves, really.
I mean, their primary deity is a fertility goddess.

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

If we're sticking Lore wise, I'm guessing that Elves and Dwarves do reproduce at a slower rate as was the common trope in most fantasy themes?

No clue with the elves, really.
I mean, their primary deity is a fertility goddess.

Not actually their primary. She's largely ignored by the Highborn*, usually an afterthought of the Sand, and completely disregarded by the Deep. The Wood Elves enjoy her as a naturalistic idea of fertility and the circle of life and whatnot, while the Dark Elves pray to her for guidance on how to end their curse.

*She is recognized, but there is very little actually dedicated to her specifically. Other deities take precedent.

[Relikai]

If we're sticking Lore wise, I'm guessing that Elves and Dwarves do reproduce at a slower rate as was the common trope in most fantasy themes?

No clue with the elves, really.
I mean, their primary deity is a fertility goddess.

Well, given that most elves do hit maturity between 100 and 120...

Unless we're gonna talk about underage and pedophilia which we all agree are no-nos....

[The Forsworn Knights]

No clue with the elves, really.
I mean, their primary deity is a fertility goddess.

Not actually their primary. She's largely ignored by the Highborn*, usually an afterthought of the Sand, and completely disregarded by the Deep. The Wood Elves enjoy her as a naturalistic idea of fertility and the circle of life and whatnot, while the Dark Elves pray to her for guidance on how to end their curse.

*She is recognized, but there is very little actually dedicated to her specifically. Other deities take precedent.

Ah.

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

Not actually their primary. She's largely ignored by the Highborn*, usually an afterthought of the Sand, and completely disregarded by the Deep. The Wood Elves enjoy her as a naturalistic idea of fertility and the circle of life and whatnot, while the Dark Elves pray to her for guidance on how to end their curse.

*She is recognized, but there is very little actually dedicated to her specifically. Other deities take precedent.

Ah.

To continue using Roman cognates: She is like Athena. Important, yes, but outside of Athens, how often do you actually see her given dedications specifically, having her own temples, or considered integral to the city?

[The Forsworn Knights]

Ah.

To continue using Roman cognates: She is like Athena. Important, yes, but outside of Athens, how often do you actually see her given dedications specifically, having her own temples, or considered integral to the city?

Good point. I think outside of Athens her big schtick was being a Battle Goddess who Generals and such might pray to.

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

To continue using Roman cognates: She is like Athena. Important, yes, but outside of Athens, how often do you actually see her given dedications specifically, having her own temples, or considered integral to the city?

Good point. I think outside of Athens her big schtick was being a Battle Goddess who Generals and such might pray to.

She was popular among generals and philosophers, but in actual governance, she was hardly recognized:
Sparta had Apollo.
Thebes had Hercules.
Macedon had Ares.
Rome had Zeus/Jupiter and Ares/Mars
Corinth had Helios and Poseidon
etc.

[The Forsworn Knights]

Good point. I think outside of Athens her big schtick was being a Battle Goddess who Generals and such might pray to.

She was popular among generals and philosophers, but in actual governance, she was hardly recognized:
Sparta had Apollo.
Thebes had Hercules.
Macedon had Ares.
Rome had Zeus/Jupiter and Ares/Mars
Corinth had Helios and Poseidon
etc.

And for one day every year (I believe it was what is now known as either Easter or Christmas), Dionysus/Bacchus was everyone's patron god.

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

She was popular among generals and philosophers, but in actual governance, she was hardly recognized:
Sparta had Apollo.
Thebes had Hercules.
Macedon had Ares.
Rome had Zeus/Jupiter and Ares/Mars
Corinth had Helios and Poseidon
etc.

And for one day every year (I believe it was what is now known as either Easter or Christmas), Dionysus was everyone's patron god.

The Greeks tended to be selectively henotheistic: they prayed to one god at a time, usually suiting their location and whoever was relevant to what they were doing. This is in contrast to the Romans, who prayed to many gods at once, and the strongly henotheistic Hebrews, who declared El (king of the gods in Phoenician mythology) the only god worthy of worship (while recognizing the continued power of other deities)

[Kaledoria]

Mostly to establish his holdings/his army.

Being a third born doesn't get you much, but ok.

When Louis the Pious, Emperor of the Caroling Empire died, his third-born son Louis the German got Saxony, Austrasia, Franconia, Alemannia, Bavaria, Carinthia and two or three lesser duchies (By Post WW2-Borders, this is approximately West Germany, Switzerland and Austria).

[Rygondria]

Being a third born doesn't get you much, but ok.

When Louis the Pious, Emperor of the Caroling Empire died, his third-born son Louis the German got Saxony, Austrasia, Franconia, Alemannia, Bavaria, Carinthia and two or three lesser duchies (By Post WW2-Borders, this is approximately West Germany, Switzerland and Austria).

Because of the wonders of Gavelkind

[Albertae]

Being a third born doesn't get you much, but ok.

When Louis the Pious, Emperor of the Caroling Empire died, his third-born son Louis the German got Saxony, Austrasia, Franconia, Alemannia, Bavaria, Carinthia and two or three lesser duchies (By Post WW2-Borders, this is approximately West Germany, Switzerland and Austria).

Yes, but in Louis' world he didn't have big orcs and tall elves.

[Cainesland]

So it's been said that each lord (Count/Marquis) gets 2000 soldiers, and each Duke gets 6000 soldiers. Would this, or something like this configuration work?

Military Police
1000 X Marches (12)
1000 X Counties (60)

Note: Each March/ County would have between around 33,333.333 and around 111,111.111 citizens (free or otherwise) in it.

Territorial Army
60 Counties X 500
12 Marches X 500
4 duchies X 3000
Grand Duke X 3000 or 2000 (depending on if he'd count as a lord, or Duke)
Arch Duke X 3000 or 2000 (depending on if he'd count as a lord, or Duke)
High Duke X 3000 or 2000 (depending on if he'd count as a king, lord, or duke)

Proffessional Militias
7 Dukes X 3000 (or 4D X 3000 if the high duke, archduke, and grand duke would only get 2000 soldiers.)
60 counties X 500
12 marches X 500

Edit: I think this would add up to around 0.02857 or 2-3% of castorholds population being employed in the military if this was how it worked out as.

Edit: The navy might account for more of the wests territorial army numbers then the north, south, and eastern armies who would more likely be focused more on land based military forces.

Edit: This is assuming the west has a population of 600k, the south has 2.4million, the north has 2 million, and the east has 2million.

[Kaledoria]

So it's been said that each lord (Count/Marquis) gets 2000 soldiers, and each Duke gets 6000 soldiers. Would this, or something like this configuration work?

Military Police
1000 X Marches (12)
1000 X Counties (60)

Note: Each March/ County would have between around 33,333.333 and around 111,111.111 citizens (free or otherwise) in it.

Territorial Army
60 Counties X 500
12 Marches X 500
4 duchies X 3000
Grand Duke X 3000 or 2000 (depending on if he'd count as a king, lord, or Duke)
Arch Duke X 3000 or 2000 (depending on if he'd count as a king, lord, or Duke)
High Duke X 3000 or 2000 (depending on if he'd count as a king, lord, or duke)

Militia
7 Dukes X 3000 (or 4D X 3000 if the high duke, archduke, and grand duke would only get 2000 soldiers.)
60 counties X 500
12 marches X 500

Edit: I think this would add up to around 0.02857 or 2-3% of castorholds population being employed in the military if this was how it worked out as.

As far as I had read it, the limit on ducal - and kingly - troops includes vassal troops.
So if a duke with a limit of 6000 soldiers has 5 vassal counts, that have 2000 troops each, than he would have to have a personal army of -4000.

[Cainesland]

So it's been said that each lord (Count/Marquis) gets 2000 soldiers, and each Duke gets 6000 soldiers. Would this, or something like this configuration work?

Military Police
1000 X Marches (12)
1000 X Counties (60)

Note: Each March/ County would have between around 33,333.333 and around 111,111.111 citizens (free or otherwise) in it.

Territorial Army
60 Counties X 500
12 Marches X 500
4 duchies X 3000
Grand Duke X 3000 or 2000 (depending on if he'd count as a king, lord, or Duke)
Arch Duke X 3000 or 2000 (depending on if he'd count as a king, lord, or Duke)
High Duke X 3000 or 2000 (depending on if he'd count as a king, lord, or duke)

Militia
7 Dukes X 3000 (or 4D X 3000 if the high duke, archduke, and grand duke would only get 2000 soldiers.)
60 counties X 500
12 marches X 500

Edit: I think this would add up to around 0.02857 or 2-3% of castorholds population being employed in the military if this was how it worked out as.

As far as I had read it, the limit on ducal troops includes vassal troops.
So if a duke with a limit of 6000 soldiers has 5 vassal counts, that have 2000 troops each, than he would have to have a personal army of -4000.

Ok. I hadn't read it like that. Thank you. I guess I won't be able to survive then if 6000 soldiers total need to control 470,000 square miles of land, including 1.4 million slave labourers.

Edit: Or I'll need to find a creative solution.

Edit: Each Duke would have 18 vassal lords, I think, based on the above example.

[Kaledoria]

As far as I had read it, the limit on ducal troops includes vassal troops.
So if a duke with a limit of 6000 soldiers has 5 vassal counts, that have 2000 troops each, than he would have to have a personal army of -4000.

Ok. I hadn't read it like that. Thank you. I guess I won't be able to survive then if 6000 soldiers total need to control 470,000 square miles of land, including 1.4 million slave labourers.

Edit: Or I'll need to find a creative solution.

Edit: Each Duke would have 18 vassal lords, I think, based on the above example.

I don't really like it that way either because why would you choose to give the soldiers into the hand of vassals with only limited loyalty when you can just as well claim, that your character owns all the soldiers personally like in a 20th century military dictatorship. (I mean medieval Kings did not use a feudal system, because they wanted to but because it was necessary given the culture and infrastructure)

As far as total population and land area go, there are several option:
- Either the land is smaller and there are less people
- or military service is very unlikely low for no good reasons
- or Bad math (We just assume, you have 6000 soldiers and 1.4 million slaves and this is one soldier for every 50 slaves or such)


@Albertae's IC post: There my investigation becomes invalid. Or maybe not, time will show.

Anyway, good night for today.

[The Forsworn Knights]

Pretty sure the Limits are on personal forces, not on Vassals.
Although if you are playing with a large chunk of land and 10K men from all your Vassals, you damn-well better not be calling yourself a lowly Duke.

[Albertae]

So it's been said that each lord (Count/Marquis) gets 2000 soldiers, and each Duke gets 6000 soldiers. Would this, or something like this configuration work?

Military Police
1000 X Marches (12)
1000 X Counties (60)

Note: Each March/ County would have between around 33,333.333 and around 111,111.111 citizens (free or otherwise) in it.

Territorial Army
60 Counties X 500
12 Marches X 500
4 duchies X 3000
Grand Duke X 3000 or 2000 (depending on if he'd count as a lord, or Duke)
Arch Duke X 3000 or 2000 (depending on if he'd count as a lord, or Duke)
High Duke X 3000 or 2000 (depending on if he'd count as a king, lord, or duke)

Proffessional Militias
7 Dukes X 3000 (or 4D X 3000 if the high duke, archduke, and grand duke would only get 2000 soldiers.)
60 counties X 500
12 marches X 500

Edit: I think this would add up to around 0.02857 or 2-3% of castorholds population being employed in the military if this was how it worked out as.

Edit: The navy might account for more of the wests territorial army numbers then the north, south, and eastern armies who would more likely be focused more on land based military forces.

Edit: This is assuming the west has a population of 600k, the south has 2.4million, the north has 2 million, and the east has 2million.

Maybe your getting just a bit too in the weeds? Why don't you just start RPing?

[Cainesland]

So it's been said that each lord (Count/Marquis) gets 2000 soldiers, and each Duke gets 6000 soldiers. Would this, or something like this configuration work?

Military Police
1000 X Marches (12)
1000 X Counties (60)

Note: Each March/ County would have between around 33,333.333 and around 111,111.111 citizens (free or otherwise) in it.

Territorial Army
60 Counties X 500
12 Marches X 500
4 duchies X 3000
Grand Duke X 3000 or 2000 (depending on if he'd count as a lord, or Duke)
Arch Duke X 3000 or 2000 (depending on if he'd count as a lord, or Duke)
High Duke X 3000 or 2000 (depending on if he'd count as a king, lord, or duke)

Proffessional Militias
7 Dukes X 3000 (or 4D X 3000 if the high duke, archduke, and grand duke would only get 2000 soldiers.)
60 counties X 500
12 marches X 500

Edit: I think this would add up to around 0.02857 or 2-3% of castorholds population being employed in the military if this was how it worked out as.

Edit: The navy might account for more of the wests territorial army numbers then the north, south, and eastern armies who would more likely be focused more on land based military forces.

Edit: This is assuming the west has a population of 600k, the south has 2.4million, the north has 2 million, and the east has 2million.

Maybe your getting just a bit too in the weeds? Why don't you just start RPing?

Ok.