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What year population do we use?

Poll ended at Thu Jul 28, 2016 7:42 am

1300's
5
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1600's
1
14%
1800's
0
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Stick with the status quo of 30 million.
1
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Total votes : 7

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Postby Boergandina » Sun Jul 10, 2016 9:38 pm

Relikai wrote:Also, Kozakura exports spices, silk, exotic goods and the occasional weapon. Terzi could be the gateway to the Human markets on the mainland, while smugglers could secretly arm the elves with some Elven designs if they want to have good relations with Kozakura.

I did intend for Terzi to be a sort of gateway-crossroads, similar to a tropical island version of the Middle East. All seas lead to Terzi, they say.
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Postby The Forsworn Knights » Sun Jul 10, 2016 9:42 pm

Hey guys, just out of curiosity (And not the fear that Redwater will be the first place to get hit), do you guys think Cup actually has a chance of doing much damage to the mainland? He says that he plans to do what Caesar did in the Gallic wars, although I aint so sure about his chances of doing that. His reasoning is that he would be working with the shogunate (60,000 troops at least) The Elves would be infighting, The Orcs who will also be invading are incompetent fools, that people will somehow know that Kastor is a Kinslayer and all desert him, and that "northeners are in the worst place of earth with a mountain range denying them the warm winds of the south. IDK why they have 2 millions when they should have between 200,000 like Iceland"
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Postby The Ik Ka Ek Akai » Sun Jul 10, 2016 9:45 pm

The Forsworn Knights wrote:Hey guys, just out of curiosity (And not the fear that Redwater will be the first place to get hit), do you guys think Cup actually has a chance of doing much damage to the mainland? He says that he plans to do what Caesar did in the Gallic wars, although I aint so sure about his chances of doing that. His reasoning is that he would be working with the shogunate (60,000 troops at least) The Elves would be infighting, The Orcs who will also be invading are incompetent fools, that people will somehow know that Kastor is a Kinslayer and all desert him, and that "northeners are in the worst place of earth with a mountain range denying them the warm winds of the south. IDK why they have 2 millions when they should have between 200,000 like Iceland"


Caesar won by military organization and equipment. He was heavily outnumbered and suffered a tactical disadvantage.

To "do what Caesar did in the Gallic Wars" is to declare war on everybody at once. This wouldn't work at all since everyone here has armor and proper weaponry. Caesar took on half of Gaul and won with the help of Gallic allies mixed with superior equipment and training: no such advantage exists here.

He also TG'd me a bit ago whether a making a demigod with Aethanas would be possible. Not sure if that's related.

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Postby Relikai » Sun Jul 10, 2016 9:46 pm

I'm actually going to increase my population, taking the emphasis of the river being the Yellow and Yangtze rivers which flood and enrich the plains. A cap of 70,000 official troops for the Kingdom.

However, even if I were to participate in an invasion, it's hard. Why? We're in two different points, it could be Harold riding north to beat the Vikings and then riding south to face the Normans.
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Postby Albertae » Sun Jul 10, 2016 9:49 pm

Guys I'm back after playing my favorite game for maybe two minutes then dealing with several haters for more than an hour or two. Their arguments were completely absurd and they didn't even make an rebuttals for mine simply saying the say iteration of the same statement over and over. It annoyed me more than ever so I'm a little on edge.

Also, don't listen to the absurd stuff Cuprum says. Unless you bring it up with me and I approve then don't do it.(Not literly. This applies mostly to Cuprum.)
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Postby The Forsworn Knights » Sun Jul 10, 2016 9:54 pm

Relikai wrote:I'm actually going to increase my population, taking the emphasis of the river being the Yellow and Yangtze rivers which flood and enrich the plains. A cap of 70,000 official troops for the Kingdom.

However, even if I were to participate in an invasion, it's hard. Why? We're in two different points, it could be Harold riding north to beat the Vikings and then riding south to face the Normans.

Not even sure how that invasion would work, even if both of you worked together. He would have to fight his way through Kastorhold and myself and my allies, and you would have to fight your way through the fortified Highborn Elf Citystates, mystic Dark Elf/woodland Wood Elf mountains, and the Crownlands. Not a very well thought out plan. And I am the guy who made his app in the wee hours of the morning and thought it would strategically help him to be an Insane Drunkard.
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Postby The Ik Ka Ek Akai » Sun Jul 10, 2016 9:55 pm

The Forsworn Knights wrote:
Relikai wrote:I'm actually going to increase my population, taking the emphasis of the river being the Yellow and Yangtze rivers which flood and enrich the plains. A cap of 70,000 official troops for the Kingdom.

However, even if I were to participate in an invasion, it's hard. Why? We're in two different points, it could be Harold riding north to beat the Vikings and then riding south to face the Normans.

Not even sure how that invasion would work, even if both of you worked together. He would have to fight his way through Kastorhold and myself and my allies, and you would have to fight your way through the fortified Highborn Elf Citystates, mystic Dark Elf/woodland Wood Elf mountains, and the Crownlands. Not a very well thought out plan. And I am the guy who made his app in the wee hours of the morning and thought it would strategically help him to be an Insane Drunkard.


Highborn are heavily fortified with well-funded and well-trained armies. Dark Elves are extremely violent and morale-defeating. Wood Elves are ambush-fighters with napalm grenades.

Yeah, it'd be a bad trek.

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Postby Benuty » Sun Jul 10, 2016 9:56 pm

The Forsworn Knights wrote:
Relikai wrote:I'm actually going to increase my population, taking the emphasis of the river being the Yellow and Yangtze rivers which flood and enrich the plains. A cap of 70,000 official troops for the Kingdom.

However, even if I were to participate in an invasion, it's hard. Why? We're in two different points, it could be Harold riding north to beat the Vikings and then riding south to face the Normans.

Not even sure how that invasion would work, even if both of you worked together. He would have to fight his way through Kastorhold and myself and my allies, and you would have to fight your way through the fortified Highborn Elf Citystates, mystic Dark Elf/woodland Wood Elf mountains, and the Crownlands. Not a very well thought out plan. And I am the guy who made his app in the wee hours of the morning and thought it would strategically help him to be an Insane Drunkard.

Could just slit their throats, and drown them in honor of Dagos.
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Postby The Forsworn Knights » Sun Jul 10, 2016 9:58 pm

The Ik Ka Ek Akai wrote:
The Forsworn Knights wrote:Not even sure how that invasion would work, even if both of you worked together. He would have to fight his way through Kastorhold and myself and my allies, and you would have to fight your way through the fortified Highborn Elf Citystates, mystic Dark Elf/woodland Wood Elf mountains, and the Crownlands. Not a very well thought out plan. And I am the guy who made his app in the wee hours of the morning and thought it would strategically help him to be an Insane Drunkard.


Highborn are heavily fortified with well-funded and well-trained armies. Dark Elves are extremely violent and morale-defeating. Wood Elves are ambush-fighters with napalm grenades.

Yeah, it'd be a bad trek.

Then there is the desert as an alternate route, which would mean getting sand where the sun dont shine.
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The Forsworn Knights wrote:Not even sure how that invasion would work, even if both of you worked together. He would have to fight his way through Kastorhold and myself and my allies, and you would have to fight your way through the fortified Highborn Elf Citystates, mystic Dark Elf/woodland Wood Elf mountains, and the Crownlands. Not a very well thought out plan. And I am the guy who made his app in the wee hours of the morning and thought it would strategically help him to be an Insane Drunkard.

Could just slit their throats, and drown them in honor of Dagos.

That is actually one of the benefits sleepy-me thought would be useful. I had somehow managed to tell myself that someone would try to stab me from behind, and I would be so drunk that I would just stumble to the side at the last second.
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Postby The Ik Ka Ek Akai » Sun Jul 10, 2016 10:00 pm

The Forsworn Knights wrote:
The Ik Ka Ek Akai wrote:
Highborn are heavily fortified with well-funded and well-trained armies. Dark Elves are extremely violent and morale-defeating. Wood Elves are ambush-fighters with napalm grenades.

Yeah, it'd be a bad trek.

Then there is the desert as an alternate route, which would mean getting sand where the sun dont shine.
Benuty wrote:Could just slit their throats, and drown them in honor of Dagos.

That is actually one of the benefits sleepy-me thought would be useful. I had somehow managed to tell myself that someone would try to stab me from behind, and I would be so drunk that I would just stumble to the side at the last second.


Sand Elves: a cavalry force to be feared.

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Postby The Ik Ka Ek Akai » Sun Jul 10, 2016 10:06 pm

It's quiet....too quiet...

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Postby Relikai » Sun Jul 10, 2016 10:08 pm

I love to fight mages and cavalry ;)

How would the elves take to having a salty monk being an emissary in their lands?
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Postby Albertae » Sun Jul 10, 2016 10:10 pm

Let's not forget the dwarves are the strong willed and dug in humans. We may not be the greatest at magic or guerilla warfare, but we have the greatest minds and tacticians.
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Postby The Ik Ka Ek Akai » Sun Jul 10, 2016 10:11 pm

Relikai wrote:I love to fight mages and cavalry ;)

How would the elves take to having a salty monk being an emissary in their lands?


They'd hydrate.

In seriousness, it depends where he goes. Most Elves are, to some extent, xenophobic; it is most pronounced among the Highborn and least so among the Deep Elves.

Xenophobia scale:

Highborn- caste system and superiority complex
Dark Elves- violent cultists who must hurt others to survive
Sand Elves- moderate levels of interaction and cooperation with non-elf nomads, but retains a general mistrust
Wood Elves- often work with traders and travellers, but highly tribalistic
Deep Elves- frequent traders, mercenaries, and general masons for outsiders

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Postby Boergandina » Sun Jul 10, 2016 10:16 pm

The Ik Ka Ek Akai wrote:
The Forsworn Knights wrote:Then there is the desert as an alternate route, which would mean getting sand where the sun dont shine.

That is actually one of the benefits sleepy-me thought would be useful. I had somehow managed to tell myself that someone would try to stab me from behind, and I would be so drunk that I would just stumble to the side at the last second.


Sand Elves: a cavalry force to be feared.

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Postby The Ik Ka Ek Akai » Sun Jul 10, 2016 10:19 pm

Boergandina wrote:
The Ik Ka Ek Akai wrote:
Sand Elves: a cavalry force to be feared.

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You can laugh all you want, WW1 is still 500 years away.

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Postby Relikai » Sun Jul 10, 2016 10:20 pm

The Ik Ka Ek Akai wrote:
Boergandina wrote:Image


You can laugh all you want, WW1 is still 500 years away.


How about Crecy and Agincourt?
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Postby Boergandina » Sun Jul 10, 2016 10:21 pm

The Ik Ka Ek Akai wrote:
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You can laugh all you want, WW1 is still 500 years away.

True, and the desert cavalry tactic survives today, with great success. Just replace horses with rusty 4x4 pickup trucks and replace scimitars with jury-rigged machine guns, and the tactics and principles remain the same.
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Postby The Forsworn Knights » Sun Jul 10, 2016 10:22 pm

Albertae wrote:Let's not forget the dwarves are the strong willed and dug in humans. We may not be the greatest at magic or guerilla warfare, but we have the greatest minds and tacticians.

Yeah, I think the only way to beat the Dwarves at siege warfare is to be the dwarves.
From what I understand the militaristic strengths of each race are:
Humans: Statistically has the most of the Greatest Military Minds due to their massive populations, In addition, there are statistically more human soldiers than any other race because of the sheer number of Humans.
Dwarves: Most technologically advanced, nearly impossible to defeat in siege warfare.
Dark Elves: Best Magic Users, and hardened by their constant wars which are necessitated by their curse.
Highborn Elves: Vast armies, heavily fortified city-states.
Wood Elves: Masters of guerilla warfare, hardened by their constant wars with the Dark Elves.
Sand Elves: Masters of Cavalry, hardened by living in an inhospitable desert.
Orcs: Fuck if I know, all I know is that they are NPC's, although they are more organized in this RP than they are often portrayed.
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Postby The Ik Ka Ek Akai » Sun Jul 10, 2016 10:24 pm

The Forsworn Knights wrote:
Albertae wrote:Let's not forget the dwarves are the strong willed and dug in humans. We may not be the greatest at magic or guerilla warfare, but we have the greatest minds and tacticians.

Yeah, I think the only way to beat the Dwarves at siege warfare is to be the dwarves.
From what I understand the militaristic strengths of each race are:
Humans: Statistically has the most of the Greatest Military Minds due to their massive populations, In addition, there are statistically more human soldiers than any other race because of the sheer number of Humans.
Dwarves: Most technologically advanced, nearly impossible to defeat in siege warfare.
Dark Elves: Best Magic Users, and hardened by their constant wars which are necessitated by their curse.
Highborn Elves: Vast armies, heavily fortified city-states.
Wood Elves: Masters of guerilla warfare, hardened by their constant wars with the Dark Elves.
Sand Elves: Masters of Cavalry, hardened by living in an inhospitable desert.
Orcs: Fuck if I know, all I know is that they are NPC's, although they are more organized in this RP than they are often portrayed.


You forgot the Deep Elves, who are the main fighters against Dark Elves.

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The Ik Ka Ek Akai wrote:
You can laugh all you want, WW1 is still 500 years away.


How about Crecy and Agincourt?


Those occurred due to the weight of the knights forcing them to sink in mud, No such mercy will be found with horse-arch

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Postby Relikai » Sun Jul 10, 2016 10:25 pm

Kozakura - Samurai armed troops wmwith the doctrine of English longbows. Anti-magic Shrine Maidens and elemental control to turn Sand into Mud.
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Postby The Forsworn Knights » Sun Jul 10, 2016 10:27 pm

The Ik Ka Ek Akai wrote:
The Forsworn Knights wrote:Yeah, I think the only way to beat the Dwarves at siege warfare is to be the dwarves.
From what I understand the militaristic strengths of each race are:
Humans: Statistically has the most of the Greatest Military Minds due to their massive populations, In addition, there are statistically more human soldiers than any other race because of the sheer number of Humans.
Dwarves: Most technologically advanced, nearly impossible to defeat in siege warfare.
Dark Elves: Best Magic Users, and hardened by their constant wars which are necessitated by their curse.
Highborn Elves: Vast armies, heavily fortified city-states.
Wood Elves: Masters of guerilla warfare, hardened by their constant wars with the Dark Elves.
Sand Elves: Masters of Cavalry, hardened by living in an inhospitable desert.
Orcs: Fuck if I know, all I know is that they are NPC's, although they are more organized in this RP than they are often portrayed.


You forgot the Deep Elves, who are the main fighters against Dark Elves.

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How about Crecy and Agincourt?


Those occurred due to the weight of the knights forcing them to sink in mud, No such mercy will be found with horse-arch

Dammit, I keep wanting to assume the Deep Elves and the Wood Elves are the same thing for some reason.


Anyhow, I posted in the IC. Edwyn is probably going to peace out of the summit for a few hours to get drunk and find someone to punch into submission to get over the loss of yet another Brother.
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Postby The Ik Ka Ek Akai » Sun Jul 10, 2016 10:28 pm

Relikai wrote:Kozakura - Samurai armed troops wmwith the doctrine of English longbows. Anti-magic Shrine Maidens and elemental control to turn Sand into Mud.


Turning Desert Elf territory into mud is the equivalent of hydrating Nevada.

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Postby Boergandina » Sun Jul 10, 2016 10:28 pm

The Forsworn Knights wrote:
Albertae wrote:Let's not forget the dwarves are the strong willed and dug in humans. We may not be the greatest at magic or guerilla warfare, but we have the greatest minds and tacticians.

Yeah, I think the only way to beat the Dwarves at siege warfare is to be the dwarves.
From what I understand the militaristic strengths of each race are:
Humans: Statistically has the most of the Greatest Military Minds due to their massive populations, In addition, there are statistically more human soldiers than any other race because of the sheer number of Humans.
Dwarves: Most technologically advanced, nearly impossible to defeat in siege warfare.
Dark Elves: Best Magic Users, and hardened by their constant wars which are necessitated by their curse.
Highborn Elves: Vast armies, heavily fortified city-states.
Wood Elves: Masters of guerilla warfare, hardened by their constant wars with the Dark Elves.
Sand Elves: Masters of Cavalry, hardened by living in an inhospitable desert.
Orcs: Fuck if I know, all I know is that they are NPC's, although they are more organized in this RP than they are often portrayed.

I wouldn't lump all of the humans together. Maybe the big-boy nations like the Crownlands and Kozakura, but (post edit) Terzi doesnt even have a real standing military, instead fielding thousands of civilian vessels full of legally permitted corsairs who follow no rules and intend to keep foreigners from hurting their haven at the island. It's order kept through disorder. We've also historically funded the Kozakura, when pirates don't quite cut it.
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Postby Albertae » Sun Jul 10, 2016 10:29 pm

The Forsworn Knights wrote:
Albertae wrote:Let's not forget the dwarves are the strong willed and dug in humans. We may not be the greatest at magic or guerilla warfare, but we have the greatest minds and tacticians.

Yeah, I think the only way to beat the Dwarves at siege warfare is to be the dwarves.
From what I understand the militaristic strengths of each race are:
Humans: Statistically has the most of the Greatest Military Minds due to their massive populations, In addition, there are statistically more human soldiers than any other race because of the sheer number of Humans.
Dwarves: Most technologically advanced, nearly impossible to defeat in siege warfare.
Dark Elves: Best Magic Users, and hardened by their constant wars which are necessitated by their curse.
Highborn Elves: Vast armies, heavily fortified city-states.
Wood Elves: Masters of guerilla warfare, hardened by their constant wars with the Dark Elves.
Sand Elves: Masters of Cavalry, hardened by living in an inhospitable desert.
Orcs: Fuck if I know, all I know is that they are NPC's, although they are more organized in this RP than they are often portrayed.


The highborn don't have vast armies and heavily fortified city states. I think they are petty kings and constantly infighting right? Though yes, they are the most civilly evolved.

As for dwarves that isn't completely true. The Human cities and forts are also very sturdy and stable. The dwarves just have access to more technology, because they are the dwarves and yeah.
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