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Federal States of Xathuecia
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Postby Federal States of Xathuecia » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:54 pm

Tumblrena wrote:
Washington D.C.
United States Senate
1133
Monday
August 29
2016



"Senator, if you want to end a culture that glorifies rape, making it very clear that the result of rape is the lash will do wonders."

If you want to end a culture that glorifies rape, I suggest we make sure everyone is convicted and charged. Not less than 10% of rapists. We need to make sure every rapist is convicted. Not a lashing that fewer than a tenth will even receive. I believe we are getting ahead of ourselves with this bill. Why make the punishment more severe if barely any rapists will even be put on trial. We need comprehensive reform and I am willing to help."

Pausing, she called it again.

"So I motion that this bill be sent back to committee to be reviewed."
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Postby The Fair Republic » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:54 pm

Tumblrena wrote:
Washington D.C.
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August 29
2016



"Will the Senator from New Jersey please tell us what on earth he is talking about?"



"Senator Carter, you stated that corporal punishment was "endorsed by many of our most noteworthy Presidents". That may be true, but those endorsements are from a different era. Modern medical research has shown time and time again that corporal punishment has a negative effect on childhood development. You failed to mention that, so I felt obligated to correct the record. I can email you the link to the study if you are interested. I grew up in an era where corporal punishment was commonly used in schools. I link corporal punishment back to Ms. Martin in elementary school with her ruler

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Postby Tumblrena » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:56 pm

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2016

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"Does the Senator from New Jersey think there are significant numbers of children raping people?"

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Postby Argentarino » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:56 pm

"Mr. President?

While I for one am for tougher punishments and more stringent enforcement of our laws concerning sexual violence, I do not believe reintroducing flogging as a punishment is the way we should go about this. For the record, flagellation is a form of torture, and unless I'm mistaken, the United States is a ratified signatory of the United Nations Convention Against Torture. Granted, past Administrations have ignored those obligations under our treaty, and don't get me started on some of our partners who also ratified this and reneged on their obligations. However, isn't part of being a global leader...to lead the way? We would resort to medieval torture to deal with crime? Mr. President, I thought we were better than that. If we resort to this, we are no better than those that resort to Hammurabic punishments. You want to impose longer sentences? I'm all for that. You want to make sure we improve consent education so that we can target sexual violence at the source? Sign me up. But I will not resort to torture, Mr. President."
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Postby Tumblrena » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:58 pm

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August 29
2016

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"Senator, I made it very clear that this is an issue that must be approached from all angles. You have made it very clear that you are not willing to take any action. I have waiting for the docket another bill taking action on the enforcement side of rape. This bill deals with the punishment side. I would ask the Senator to put aside partisanship for once and cease trying to kill this bill."

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Postby Tumblrena » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:59 pm

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"Senator, do you think that a brief period of pain is less torturous than locking someone in a cell for their entire adult life?"

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Postby Federal States of Xathuecia » Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:00 pm

Tumblrena wrote:
Washington D.C.
United States Senate
1136
Monday
August 29
2016



"Senator, I made it very clear that this is an issue that must be approached from all angles. You have made it very clear that you are not willing to take any action. I have waiting for the docket another bill taking action on the enforcement side of rape. This bill deals with the punishment side. I would ask the Senator to put aside partisanship for once and cease trying to kill this bill."

"I ask the Senator I will put aside my partisanship when the Senator's ego can deflated. Because we must put first things first. And why bother pass this bill that fewer than 10% of rapists will even receive assuming the judge even mandates flogging? Either we amend this bill or as I said, I move that this bill be returned to committee for further review."
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Postby Meelducan » Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:00 pm

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"While we are at why don't we bring back firing squads?" Darnell said in a Sarcastic tone. "Flogging was used on Slaves madam Senator, So it's torture."
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Postby Chewion » Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:01 pm

Argentarino wrote:"Mr. President?

While I for one am for tougher punishments and more stringent enforcement of our laws concerning sexual violence, I do not believe reintroducing flogging as a punishment is the way we should go about this. For the record, flagellation is a form of torture, and unless I'm mistaken, the United States is a ratified signatory of the United Nations Convention Against Torture. Granted, past Administrations have ignored those obligations under our treaty, and don't get me started on some of our partners who also ratified this and reneged on their obligations. However, isn't part of being a global leader...to lead the way? We would resort to medieval torture to deal with crime? Mr. President, I thought we were better than that. If we resort to this, we are no better than those that resort to Hammurabic punishments. You want to impose longer sentences? I'm all for that. You want to make sure we improve consent education so that we can target sexual violence at the source? Sign me up. But I will not resort to torture, Mr. President."

"I am positive that rapists know that they are breaking the law and even if they aren't ignorance is not a defense. Telling them rape is bad is like telling them that fire burns. They know they just don't care."
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Postby Meelducan » Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:02 pm

Federal States of Xathuecia wrote:
Tumblrena wrote:
Washington D.C.
United States Senate
1136
Monday
August 29
2016



"Senator, I made it very clear that this is an issue that must be approached from all angles. You have made it very clear that you are not willing to take any action. I have waiting for the docket another bill taking action on the enforcement side of rape. This bill deals with the punishment side. I would ask the Senator to put aside partisanship for once and cease trying to kill this bill."

"I ask the Senator I will put aside my partisanship when the Senator's ego can deflated. Because we must put first things first. And why bother pass this bill that fewer than 10% of rapists will even receive assuming the judge even mandates flogging? Either we amend this bill or as I said, I move that this bill be returned to committee for further review."

Senate Floor


"I second this motion."
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Postby Tumblrena » Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:02 pm

Washington D.C.
United States Senate
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Monday
August 29
2016

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"So you'll abandon the victims and do nothing about the perpetrators because they aren't significant enough. Because some people aren't caught, we shouldn't do anything about the ones that are. That's ridiculous Senator."

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Postby Chewion » Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:02 pm

Meelducan wrote:
Senate Floor


"While we are at why don't we bring back firing squads?" Darnell said in a Sarcastic tone. "Flogging was used on Slaves madam Senator, So it's torture."

"Harsh language was also used on slaves so is that torture?"
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Postby Chewion » Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:02 pm

Meelducan wrote:
Federal States of Xathuecia wrote:"I ask the Senator I will put aside my partisanship when the Senator's ego can deflated. Because we must put first things first. And why bother pass this bill that fewer than 10% of rapists will even receive assuming the judge even mandates flogging? Either we amend this bill or as I said, I move that this bill be returned to committee for further review."

Senate Floor


"I second this motion."


"I object."
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Postby Federal States of Xathuecia » Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:02 pm

Chewion wrote:
Argentarino wrote:"Mr. President?

While I for one am for tougher punishments and more stringent enforcement of our laws concerning sexual violence, I do not believe reintroducing flogging as a punishment is the way we should go about this. For the record, flagellation is a form of torture, and unless I'm mistaken, the United States is a ratified signatory of the United Nations Convention Against Torture. Granted, past Administrations have ignored those obligations under our treaty, and don't get me started on some of our partners who also ratified this and reneged on their obligations. However, isn't part of being a global leader...to lead the way? We would resort to medieval torture to deal with crime? Mr. President, I thought we were better than that. If we resort to this, we are no better than those that resort to Hammurabic punishments. You want to impose longer sentences? I'm all for that. You want to make sure we improve consent education so that we can target sexual violence at the source? Sign me up. But I will not resort to torture, Mr. President."

"I am positive that rapists know that they are breaking the law and even if they aren't ignorance is not a defense. Telling them rape is bad is like telling them that fire burns. They know they just don't care."

"And Mr. Leader, even fewer are charged. Yet you are doing reforming a punishment that very few rapists if any will receive. So how about we come up with a comprehensive bill. Because I am willing to vote for flogging if every rapists is placed on trial."
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Postby Tumblrena » Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:03 pm

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"We still have firing squads, Senator. Try paying attention."

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Postby Tumblrena » Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:03 pm

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"Then you never will Senator. No crime has 100% of perpetrators caught. Never. So you'll use an intentionally impossible goal to cover your own lack of action or care. Partisanship at its finest."

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Postby Chewion » Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:04 pm

Federal States of Xathuecia wrote:
Chewion wrote:"I am positive that rapists know that they are breaking the law and even if they aren't ignorance is not a defense. Telling them rape is bad is like telling them that fire burns. They know they just don't care."

"And Mr. Leader, even fewer are charged. Yet you are doing reforming a punishment that very few rapists if any will receive. So how about we come up with a comprehensive bill. Because I am willing to vote for flogging if every rapists is placed on trial."

"Why not get this through and then get another bill through that gets what you suggest done?"
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Postby Tallahassee News Station » Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:05 pm

Senator Chandler stands

"Look at this lady. Look at what this Senator is doing. You're saying that cause we don't catch everyone, we should just give up? Bullcrap. You're not doing nothing, and you're trying to screw over anyone that does do something. That's nothing but disgraceful."
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Postby Vaquas » Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:05 pm

"Madam Senator, do you believe that your vehement push for this bill, which calls for physically beating people in the name of justice, is consistent with your professed faith?"
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Postby Federal States of Xathuecia » Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:05 pm

Tumblrena wrote:
Washington D.C.
United States Senate
1138
Monday
August 29
2016



"So you'll abandon the victims and do nothing about the perpetrators because they aren't significant enough. Because some people aren't caught, we shouldn't do anything about the ones that are. That's ridiculous Senator."

"What's ridiculous is that you are arguing against my motion to make a bill that can do both. Because victims are being abandoned and left suffering but you are completely disregarding a motion to help make a comprehensive reform bill simply because you are so desperate to pass a flogging bill. I told you I would vote for flogging if it includes comprehensive reform. So how about you put aside partisanship and let's build a better bill for both victims and perpetrators alike."
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Postby Tumblrena » Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:06 pm

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"And why do you ask Senator?"

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Postby Tumblrena » Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:07 pm

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2016

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"Your 'comprehensive reform' is a mirage Senator. You've never done a thing on the issue and you're trying to get away with not doing more. You want a comprehensive reform bill? Well Senator, then write it yourself rather than turning on the people you are supposed to represent because of your personal grudge against me."

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Postby Tallahassee News Station » Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:09 pm

"She's got it right, Senator. If you care so much, where's your comprehensive bill? You've been hear plenty long enough! But no, just more attacking this young lady because you're getting shown up."
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Postby Federal States of Xathuecia » Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:09 pm

Tallahassee News Station wrote:Senator Chandler stands

"Look at this lady. Look at what this Senator is doing. You're saying that cause we don't catch everyone, we should just give up? Bullcrap. You're not doing nothing, and you're trying to screw over anyone that does do something. That's nothing but disgraceful."

"Let me break it down. Less than a tenth of rapists are ever convicted. Even fewer at put in front of a judge. And even fewer receive convictions that are severe. And I am supposed to back this bill that will make flogging an option assuming a judge will even consider it! What, 50 people are going to get flogged but 10,000 plus rapists will walk away with nothing? Is that justice? Is that fair? No it's not. Passing a bill just to act like you are tough on crime when you are letting 10,000 rapists get by, that is disgraceful. And it's even worse in the military. So how about we help everyone."
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Postby Vaquas » Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:09 pm

Tumblrena wrote:
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2016



"And why do you ask Senator?"


"Professional Curiosity."
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