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by **Tumblrena** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:28 pm

Washington D.C.
United States Senate
1121
Monday
August 29
2016

"The precedent set by this bill is a precedent of effective and just punishment, and a precedent of showing we show zero tolerance for the horror of rape."

by **Chewion** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:29 pm

Meelducan wrote:
Senate Floor

"Mr. President, I motion that Senator Carter be removed from the Chamber under the Standing Rules of the United States Senate, Rule XIX, Section two."

Carter just smirked at him and said "You wish to censor free speech because the truth hurts your feelings."

by **Tumblrena** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:29 pm

Washington D.C.
United States Senate
1122
Monday
August 29
2016

"Senator, you will deny that you are doing nothing on this issue? Will you lie before the Senate?"

by **Chewion** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:30 pm

Meelducan wrote:
Senate Floor

"I won't have any Senator make false claims against me."

"What false claims? You don't think that rapists should be harshly punished. That's my claim and it's the truth based on your own words."

by **Tumblrena** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:31 pm

Washington D.C.
United States Senate
1123
Monday
August 29
2016

"Justly punished, Mr. Leader."

by **Federal States of Xathuecia** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:33 pm

Tumblrena wrote:
Washington D.C.
United States Senate
1121
Monday
August 29
2016

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"The precedent set by this bill is a precedent of effective and just punishment, and a precedent of showing we show zero tolerance for the horror of rape."

"Are you familiar with the Supreme Court case Furman v. Georgia? It outlines four principles for criminal punishment. I wish to focus on two. The first said that (quoting from a piece of paper) "the "essential predicate" is "that a punishment must not by its severity be degrading to human dignity," especially torture". Is flogging not torture? Perhaps it is just but is it torture? Additionally, the case outlined "A severe punishment that is clearly and totally rejected throughout society." Do you have proof that the American public supports this?"

by **Chewion** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:34 pm

Tumblrena wrote:
Washington D.C.
United States Senate
1123
Monday
August 29
2016

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"Justly punished, Mr. Leader."

"Your right. My bad. Justly punished is the right wording."

by **Meelducan** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:35 pm

Senate Floor

"Senator Carter don't dig yourself a hole. Just because I don't see eye to eye with you doesn't mean you can make false claims."

by **Tumblrena** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:35 pm

Washington D.C.
United States Senate
1125
Monday
August 29
2016

"It is most certainly not torture. Corporal punishment has been a tool used throughout American history. It has been maintained as Constitutional throughout and endorsed by many of our most noteworthy Presidents. If looking for something "degrading to human dignity" I would suggest the Senator look at solitary confinement, at actual torture."

by **Federal States of Xathuecia** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:36 pm

Chewion wrote:
Tumblrena wrote:
Washington D.C.
United States Senate
1123
Monday
August 29
2016

(Image)

"Justly punished, Mr. Leader."

"Your right. My bad. Justly punished is the right wording."

Stafford openly chuckled.

"Looks like we have some dissent..."

by **Federal States of Xathuecia** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:40 pm

Tumblrena wrote:
Washington D.C.
United States Senate
1125
Monday
August 29
2016

(Image)

"It is most certainly not torture. Corporal punishment has been a tool used throughout American history. It has been maintained as Constitutional throughout and endorsed by many of our most noteworthy Presidents. If looking for something "degrading to human dignity" I would suggest the Senator look at solitary confinement, at actual torture."

"So whipping someone? That is not torture? But when ISIS and Islamic terrorists do it, then IT IS torture. Because no one here, at least those with brains, is questioning if it is justly because it is. But is it torture? It can be justified for the crime but I stand by the belief that the United States not conduct torture. And could you name me some modern presidents that support this? Specifically flogging? Because corporal punishment is far too vague and the president's mentioned are to be frank, outdated in terms of beliefs such as this."

by **Chewion** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:41 pm

Federal States of Xathuecia wrote:
Chewion wrote:"Your right. My bad. Justly punished is the right wording."

Stafford openly chuckled.
L
"Looks like we have some dissent..."

"No it looks like I am comfortable enough to be corrected when I am wrong"

by **Tumblrena** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:41 pm

Washington D.C.
United States Senate
1127
Monday
August 29
2016

"Senator, you're just saying it is torture and it isn't torture back and forth without any actual argument."

by **Meelducan** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:42 pm

Snate Floor

"This bill violates article three of the Human Rights act. You clearly you can't see it"

by **Federal States of Xathuecia** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:42 pm

Tumblrena wrote:
Washington D.C.
United States Senate
1127
Monday
August 29
2016

(Image)

"Senator, you're just saying it is torture and it isn't torture back and forth without any actual argument."

Let me put it simply. Is flogging torture? Not if its justified but is it torture?"

by **Chewion** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:43 pm

Meelducan wrote:
Snate Floor

"This bill violates article three of the Human Rights act. You clearly you can't see it"

"The Supreme Court never ruled it as a violation of a human rights."

by **Tumblrena** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:43 pm

Washington D.C.
United States Senate
1128
Monday
August 29
2016

"I've said it before, I'll say it again-no, it isn't."

by **Meelducan** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:47 pm

Senate Floor

"Don't you know the definition of Torture? You probably don't so I will read it to you." Darnell looks through his notes. "Ah, here it is.'The action or practice of inflicting severe pain on someone as a punishment.' It sounds like Torture to me Senator."

by **Tumblrena** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:48 pm

Washington D.C.
United States Senate
1130
Monday
August 29
2016

"Who wrote that definition, Senator?"

by **The Fair Republic** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:48 pm

Tumblrena wrote:
Washington D.C.
United States Senate
1125
Monday
August 29
2016

(Image)

"It is most certainly not torture. Corporal punishment has been a tool used throughout American history. It has been maintained as Constitutional throughout and endorsed by many of our most noteworthy Presidents. If looking for something "degrading to human dignity" I would suggest the Senator look at solitary confinement, at actual torture."

Senator Clark rose from his seat. "With all due respect to Senator Carter, I have to strenuously object to his claim about to the effectiveness of corporal punishment of children. Many studies have shown that there are associations between physical punishment and mental health, physical injury, parent–child relationships and family violence in adulthood. By using his perch in the United States Senate to promote a harmful method of raising a child, Senator Carter is being grossly irresponsible."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3447048/

by **Tumblrena** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:49 pm

Washington D.C.
United States Senate
1132
Monday
August 29
2016

"Will the Senator from New Jersey please tell us what on earth he is talking about?"

by **Meelducan** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:50 pm

Senate Floor

"I wouldn't call it spanking Senator. It's beating someone."

by **Federal States of Xathuecia** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:50 pm

Tumblrena wrote:
Washington D.C.
United States Senate
1128
Monday
August 29
2016

(Image)

"I've said it before, I'll say it again-no, it isn't."

"Hmph. Well, then my final point is this. This will not change anything. Already, too few rapists are charged and even fewer even see a day in court much less in jail and if this bill is passed, very few will be flogged. Senator, if we want a real end to rapes, we need to end the rape culture and make it easier for women and men to charge their rapists. Not increase a punishment less than a tenth of rapists will receive. So I motion that this bill be sent back to committee to be reviewed. We need a comprehensive reform bill."

by **Chewion** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:51 pm

The Fair Republic wrote:
Tumblrena wrote:
Washington D.C.
United States Senate
1125
Monday
August 29
2016

(Image)

"It is most certainly not torture. Corporal punishment has been a tool used throughout American history. It has been maintained as Constitutional throughout and endorsed by many of our most noteworthy Presidents. If looking for something "degrading to human dignity" I would suggest the Senator look at solitary confinement, at actual torture."

Senator Clark rose from his seat. "With all due respect to Senator Carter, I have to strenuously object to his claim about to the effectiveness of corporal punishment of children. Many studies have shown that there are associations between physical punishment and mental health, physical injury, parent–child relationships and family violence in adulthood. By using his perch in the United States Senate to promote a harmful method of raising a child, Senator Carter is being grossly irresponsible."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3447048/

Carter just looked at him with a puzzled look on his face and said "Sir I have never said anything and that does not pertain to flogging rapists."

by **Tumblrena** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:52 pm

Washington D.C.
United States Senate
1133
Monday
August 29
2016

"Senator, if you want to end a culture that glorifies rape, making it very clear that the result of rape is the lash will do wonders."

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