Mass Effect-Factions::The Harvest (OOC/OPEN)

[Liecthenbourg]

Hey! How's everyone today?

Pretty good.

And yourself?

[North America Inc]

Hey! How's everyone today?

Pretty good.

And yourself?

Doing great, doing Cerberus things.

How are the Quarians treating you?

[Liecthenbourg]

Pretty good.

And yourself?

Doing great, doing Cerberus things.

How are the Quarians treating you?

I've always loved to RP the Quarians, its a fun thing to do. Beats the stoic emotionlessness of the Geth I used to RP often back in the early incarnations. Really all I'm doing is waiting on Seg to post before I do so again and then the fun begins

And how is Cerberus treating you?

[North America Inc]

Doing great, doing Cerberus things.

How are the Quarians treating you?

I've always loved to RP the Quarians, its a fun thing to do. Beats the stoic emotionlessness of the Geth I used to RP often back in the early incarnations. Really all I'm doing is waiting on Seg to post before I do so again and then the fun begins

And how is Cerberus treating you?

The trial is happening now, without Seg's control for this portion, so feel free to send Tali now.

Doing great, I'm spearheading Humanity's evolution and tightening my control over the Terminus.

[Durmatagno]

I've always loved to RP the Quarians, its a fun thing to do. Beats the stoic emotionlessness of the Geth I used to RP often back in the early incarnations. Really all I'm doing is waiting on Seg to post before I do so again and then the fun begins

And how is Cerberus treating you?

The trial is happening now, without Seg's control for this portion, so feel free to send Tali now.

Doing great, I'm spearheading Humanity's evolution and tightening my control over the Terminus.

*hides deeper in the nebula*

All joking aside, I'm just waiting to see if anyones going to interfere with anything before I post a monthly expenditure.

[North America Inc]

The trial is happening now, without Seg's control for this portion, so feel free to send Tali now.

Doing great, I'm spearheading Humanity's evolution and tightening my control over the Terminus.

*hides deeper in the nebula*

All joking aside, I'm just waiting to see if anyones going to interfere with anything before I post a monthly expenditure.

There's no reason too- you ain't got credits, resources, or gardens.

[Durmatagno]

*hides deeper in the nebula*

All joking aside, I'm just waiting to see if anyones going to interfere with anything before I post a monthly expenditure.

There's no reason too- you ain't got credits, resources, or gardens.

Actually, I do have a garden world, my homeworld ended up as one in the system G-Tech said was mine.

[North America Inc]

There's no reason too- you ain't got credits, resources, or gardens.

Actually, I do have a garden world, my homeworld ended up as one in the system G-Tech said was mine.

Thanks! Now I know!

Can you link your app for me too?

[Durmatagno]

Actually, I do have a garden world, my homeworld ended up as one in the system G-Tech said was mine.

Thanks! Now I know!

Can you link your app for me too?

Eh, why not, no one actually knows I exist yet

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[Ironsbad]

The trial is happening now, without Seg's control for this portion, so feel free to send Tali now.

Doing great, I'm spearheading Humanity's evolution and tightening my control over the Terminus.

*hides deeper in the nebula*

All joking aside, I'm just waiting to see if anyones going to interfere with anything before I post a monthly expenditure.

You have synthetics?

[Durmatagno]

*hides deeper in the nebula*

All joking aside, I'm just waiting to see if anyones going to interfere with anything before I post a monthly expenditure.

You have synthetics?

I have synthetics.

[Ironsbad]

You have synthetics?

I have synthetics.

How would like to help Vorcha scientists with something?

[Durmatagno]

I have synthetics.

How would like to help Vorcha scientists with something?

Well, for one, we don't know of the Vorcha, second, none of the factions currently know of us, and third, I don't have any research bases yet

[Ironsbad]

How would like to help Vorcha scientists with something?

Well, for one, we don't know of the Vorcha, second, none of the factions currently know of us, and third, I don't have any research bases yet

How would you like to be contacted?

[Durmatagno]

Well, for one, we don't know of the Vorcha, second, none of the factions currently know of us, and third, I don't have any research bases yet

How would you like to be contacted?

Well, right now the G-Tech said they were going to contact me, so I've been waiting for that before I planned anything else, because however that goes can influence other stuff.

[Ironsbad]

How would you like to be contacted?

Well, right now the G-Tech said they were going to contact me, so I've been waiting for that before I planned anything else, because however that goes can influence other stuff.

Ahh, then we will meet after he contacts you. The Vorcha have plans and new toys that the Reapers won't be liking as of right now.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Ladies and gentlemen...

To put it bluntly, I am leaving this RP for a number of reasons that are leaving a sour taste in my mouth. As such, I am choosing to list my concerns below following this paragraph, in the hopes that in the future things may change for the better. These concerns are not unwarranted, and I know for a fact that I am not alone in feeling this way, as I've personally spoken to 3 different people about the subject matter via TG over the last few days and have overall been agreed upon.

To start, I must say that I feel that the current RP and it's player base has lost touch with it's roots and has become a hallow shell of what it once was. The simple fact that a player has not only managed to garner enough monthly income to outshine the rest of the player base combined, but done so outside the Asari race, which is supposed to be THE economic powerhouse of the Galaxy, should speak for itself as to just how broken the current system truly has become. Not only this, but the fact that the player controlling the race actually has the authority to fix this glaringly overpowered new mechanic that lead to this situation, and has likely chosen not to for pretty obvious reasons, also doesn't sit well with me.

Understanding fully that having to start over each cycle sucks the big one, and that carrying over was something new and exciting, I think that people have forgotten just how inactive a fair few of the major factions had apparently been, and how broken good the position of the constantly played factions were in comparison. We have core cannon factions that are supposed to be playing a major role in the fight to come, that are actually weaker then 3rd party factions. On top of this, we also have factions gaining absurd levels of tech that realistically by cannon are nowhere near evolved or smart enough to be coming up with this tech on their own, regardless of how many months of research went into it.

I /do/ think that is a problem though, purely from a fairness point of view. G is a cool guy and everything, but as far as I know, he's the one who creates the random systems for the exploration results, and he personally has done a lot of exploration...not saying he's cheated or anything, but that's just not alright.

Honestly, I would call people out over this shit, especially the stupid high levels of income and tech. Not even the fucking Reapers have Dark Energy weapons, as far as I know, but the Vorcha have them? And they cost only 1.5 times the amount of the ship? Not even the fucking Asari ever made that much income.

And not only are all the new appers boned on income, they're boned on tech development, boned on any sort of nation building or other build up, because the Reapers are like, 2 or 3 months away.

Personally I think this was poorly executed.

Hey man, great to see you!

Yeah, I understand your concern and agree with you on most of the points you listed. As you said, G should have let you carry over those credits.... that was a slight d*** move on his part. Hang in there, maybe things will get better! You still have my support in the Terminus when needed.

To put this in D&D terms, research should be conducted in a way that allows players to add say a +1 to a weapon or armor set, and give them a slight edge in the coming battles. What happened here, was that instead of getting a Warhammer +1, you gave Goblin tinkerers blueprints for Mjölnir, and allowed them to start mass producing it for their armies while the other higher races are left scratching their chins as they try and figure out how this came to be.

Other people have expressed concerns to me as well, but If they wish to bring them to light, I'll leave that decision up to them and not force them out on it, as some might wish to remain quiet as to not cause waves right now.

Again, this is just me voicing some concerns that I have. I'll likely be back around when this thing wipes and starts fresh again. Hopefully.

*Tips hat and calmly exits the room.*

-Turian Hierarchy Unlocked-

[G-Tech Corporation]

*raises hand*

The initial idea was to reset non-continuous factions to their base level, which struck me as poorly thought out. Working from the most recent month of posting was a compromise there, to allow folks to keep up, but not suddenly have 20k credits of Dreadnaughts enter the fray from races which had been inactive.

As for Exploration- feel free to peruse my results statistically. All of them were generated on RNG. There were other races that got two Garden Worlds from a single exploration, and I ran my results for the Geth through North when available. If playing to the strengths of the Geth (exploiting marginal worlds and research) is a crime, so would be spamming troops as the Salarians, or building an economy as the Asari.


As for Vorcha research, be aware that they have put all their research in to that technology for several months. It isn't something they just pulled out of their back pockets.

You can leave if you want to- fine. But complaining about issues to people who can't fix them via TG is only toxic to a RP, not productive. I had no idea you had any of these issues, only learning from them within this hour from other parties. Forgive me for saying so if this seems disingenuous, but if you want to fix a problem, you need to let us know.

[Lunas Legion]

We carried over once before, back when Arch was leading this thing still, and ultimately the same thing happened then, with those who carried over being basically untouchable by that point (Arch had something like 200 dreads as the Turians, I as the Rachni had the capacity to produce about 500 LC a month) and generally carrying over doesn't work for anyone but the old guard. It's better in the long run just to go back to zero and have everyone go from the start.

Also, back in the older versions (pre-exploration) the main limitation on the Geth preventing them from becoming a economic superpower was their confinement to the Perseus Veil area and it's small number of worlds; that a) gave the Quarians a fighting chance later on by preventing the Geth from out-economying them and b) forced the Geth into conflict with the Terminus at large later on. Exploration removes both of those. Plus I inherently dislike RNG-based systems, especally where the result generator isn't openly seen generating results.

Just a few thoughts.

Also, since Soviet hasn't shown up for some time, I'm having my doubts about whether this civil war is actually going to go anywhere.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Also, back in the older versions (pre-exploration) the main limitation on the Geth preventing them from becoming a economic superpower was their confinement to the Perseus Veil area and it's small number of worlds; that a) gave the Quarians a fighting chance later on by preventing the Geth from out-economying them and b) forced the Geth into conflict with the Terminus at large later on. Exploration removes both of those. Plus I inherently dislike RNG-based systems, especally where the result generator isn't openly seen generating results.

Just a few thoughts.

Also, since Soviet hasn't shown up for some time, I'm having my doubts about whether this civil war is actually going to go anywhere.

Tbf, I wouldn't mind conflict with the Terminus. But the con as written wouldn't make sense without exploration- the only options as the Geth to avoid irrelevancy without exploration are to A) send a strike fleet to wipe out the Quarians, which makes zero sense in canon or B) convince the entire Council to lift a restriction (which was self-imposed by the Geth in canon?) which makes only slightly more sense.

As far as Soviet... yeah, I'll TG you. We might have to work out some of these things on an NPC basis, given his highly sporadic visitations.

[Lunas Legion]

Also, back in the older versions (pre-exploration) the main limitation on the Geth preventing them from becoming a economic superpower was their confinement to the Perseus Veil area and it's small number of worlds; that a) gave the Quarians a fighting chance later on by preventing the Geth from out-economying them and b) forced the Geth into conflict with the Terminus at large later on. Exploration removes both of those. Plus I inherently dislike RNG-based systems, especally where the result generator isn't openly seen generating results.

Just a few thoughts.

Also, since Soviet hasn't shown up for some time, I'm having my doubts about whether this civil war is actually going to go anywhere.

Tbf, I wouldn't mind conflict with the Terminus. But the con as written wouldn't make sense without exploration- the only options as the Geth to avoid irrelevancy without exploration are to A) send a strike fleet to wipe out the Quarians, which makes zero sense in canon or B) convince the entire Council to lift a restriction (which was self-imposed by the Geth in canon?) which makes only slightly more sense.

As far as Soviet... yeah, I'll TG you. We might have to work out some of these things on an NPC basis, given his highly sporadic visitations.

That con used to not exist. Hell, I don't see why it does, as the Council has no power that far into the Terminus. If the Geth expand outside the Veil, it should be up to them to deal with it, not avoid it because of arbitrary cons.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Tbf, I wouldn't mind conflict with the Terminus. But the con as written wouldn't make sense without exploration- the only options as the Geth to avoid irrelevancy without exploration are to A) send a strike fleet to wipe out the Quarians, which makes zero sense in canon or B) convince the entire Council to lift a restriction (which was self-imposed by the Geth in canon?) which makes only slightly more sense.

As far as Soviet... yeah, I'll TG you. We might have to work out some of these things on an NPC basis, given his highly sporadic visitations.

That con used to not exist. Hell, I don't see why it does, as the Council has no power that far into the Terminus. If the Geth expand outside the Veil, it should be up to them to deal with it, not avoid it because of arbitrary cons.

Mhm. But, eh, I didn't write the Cons. I accepted that one as a legitimate difficulty, which is why I've ensured the Geth explored like fiends, and colonized what they found. It was that or sit around until the Quarians came to me, and they seem uninterested in that state of affairs.

[Lunas Legion]

That con used to not exist. Hell, I don't see why it does, as the Council has no power that far into the Terminus. If the Geth expand outside the Veil, it should be up to them to deal with it, not avoid it because of arbitrary cons.

Mhm. But, eh, I didn't write the Cons. I accepted that one as a legitimate difficulty, which is why I've ensured the Geth explored like fiends, and colonized what they found. It was that or sit around until the Quarians came to me, and they seem uninterested in that state of affairs.

That con, and the one that says the Quarians can't build on planets etc don't really sit well with me, since they force towards particular courses of action rather than simply encouraging them. It's entirely plausible for the Migrant Fleet to decide to make a 'New Rannoch' somewhere or for the Geth to expand outside the Veil in canon, so I don't see why that's limited when there are perfectly viable alternative cons out there.

[Brotherhood for life]

um what is going on here? G-Tech do you know?

[Ironsbad]

Alright, let me just plead my case for the Vorcha. 1. In the IC, I had this coming months before and the Reapers still out beat us in more ways than one. Also, even before all of the ideas that the Vorcha can't do it, I did say that their more smarter brothers and sisters were going through a technophile movement thanks to the Asari charity on Parsac known as Hand and Mind, which were allowed to expand their charity throughout Vorcha space to help them.

Now, to tell you the truth, I really shouldn't be able to have my own mechs and power armor. I shouldn't have cybernetics, and I should've been enslaved by the Reapers because Vorcha like power and dominance and they would've made perfect thralls.

But I understand, having Vorcha be the forerunners for energy weapons is a stupid idea and I thought the more advance races would be me to it, but it happened. Sorry for all that I troubled people with setting the Vorcha up like this. Also, a mistake on my part, the Dark Energy Cannon is 1.75 times a ship instead of 1.5, but it still is not that big of a difference but just to point it out.

Still, I'm sorry for going against cannon like that and setting the Vorcha like they are.

As a result of this. I'm stepping down from the Vorcha, hope they are good thralls for the Repaers or good slaves for the Geth. Hope I do better next cycle.