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The Holy Dominion of Inesea
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Postby The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Tue Jun 14, 2016 2:49 pm

I thought we were pre-gunpowder?
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Postby The Greater Gambia » Tue Jun 14, 2016 2:50 pm

The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:I thought we were pre-gunpowder?


We're rennaisance period. Guns are around, but not the main focus of war.
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Postby The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Tue Jun 14, 2016 2:52 pm

The Greater Gambia wrote:
The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:I thought we were pre-gunpowder?


We're Renaissance period. Guns are around, but not the main focus of war.

Eww well time to stay underwater
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Postby Trotza » Tue Jun 14, 2016 2:53 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Trotza wrote:The Sultanate will be looking for trade. Bring out ya merchants.

Have: Salt, Copper, Stone, Sulphur
Need: Timber, Grain, Iron

We can provide you with all three. As for what you are trading, we will need sulphur the most, in order to make gunpowder.

Well unless you send someone here you'll probably be the fourth nation we discover, after the western expedition makes it thorough the mountains (see IC posts if none of that makes sense). As for the trade, we'll probably not put all of our eggs in one basket, but I'm sure the Sultan would take it into consideration.
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Postby The Orson Empire » Tue Jun 14, 2016 2:55 pm

The Greater Gambia wrote:
The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:I thought we were pre-gunpowder?


We're rennaisance period. Guns are around, but not the main focus of war.

Indeed.

In this time period, only 25% of my army is equipped with muskets. Muskets have not yet become cheap to manufacture, so it would be too expensive to equip my entire army with guns.
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The Orson Empire wrote:We can provide you with all three. As for what you are trading, we will need sulphur the most, in order to make gunpowder.

As for the people that wanted to trade for my guns and cannons, I'm planning to send treasure ships across the world (basically, similar to this), conducting trade and bringing the riches back to the Empire.

Well it appears my Pirates will get more of the not needed currencies.

Good luck trying to take on these beasts.

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Postby Shadowwell » Tue Jun 14, 2016 2:57 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
The Greater Gambia wrote:
We're rennaisance period. Guns are around, but not the main focus of war.

Indeed.

In this time period, only 25% of my army is equipped with muskets. Muskets have not yet become cheap to manufacture, so it would be too expensive to equip my entire army with guns.
Shadowwell wrote:Well it appears my Pirates will get more of the not needed currencies.

Good luck trying to take on these beasts.

My Pirate ships are made to ram into ships opening holes and allowing Orks to enter, through the ram. we also have Catapults, and they don't need to breath exactly (the Orks).
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Postby The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Tue Jun 14, 2016 2:57 pm

Can I buy cannons for my people lol?

6 meters tall, solidly built.
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Postby Trotza » Tue Jun 14, 2016 2:59 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
The Greater Gambia wrote:
We're rennaisance period. Guns are around, but not the main focus of war.

Indeed.

In this time period, only 25% of my army is equipped with muskets. Muskets have not yet become cheap to manufacture, so it would be too expensive to equip my entire army with guns.
Shadowwell wrote:Well it appears my Pirates will get more of the not needed currencies.

Good luck trying to take on these beasts.

I mean it does kinda say in the very first sentence of that page 16th through 18th century. A little advanced for our tech era.
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Postby The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Tue Jun 14, 2016 3:04 pm

Deramen, I think, I got folks coming your way soon
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Postby The Orson Empire » Tue Jun 14, 2016 3:07 pm

The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:Can I buy cannons for my people lol?

6 meters tall, solidly built.

What's your nation called? Maybe we can reach a deal.
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The Orson Empire wrote:Indeed.

In this time period, only 25% of my army is equipped with muskets. Muskets have not yet become cheap to manufacture, so it would be too expensive to equip my entire army with guns.

Good luck trying to take on these beasts.

My Pirate ships are made to ram into ships opening holes and allowing Orks to enter, through the ram. we also have Catapults, and they don't need to breath exactly (the Orks).

That is, if they can get close.

The Galleons would blow them out of the water with their cannons. And if they managed to board, the sailors will arm themselves with muskets and blunderbusses and shoot them.

@Trotza- Then I will just make them large carracks.

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Postby The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Tue Jun 14, 2016 3:10 pm

I don't think I made it clear, my people are 6 meters tall. Any canons we buy will be used as muskets or hand cannons. I am Tetsuchikyu Teikoku.
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Postby Shadowwell » Tue Jun 14, 2016 3:11 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:Can I buy cannons for my people lol?

6 meters tall, solidly built.

What's your nation called? Maybe we can reach a deal.
Shadowwell wrote:My Pirate ships are made to ram into ships opening holes and allowing Orks to enter, through the ram. we also have Catapults, and they don't need to breath exactly (the Orks).

That is, if they can get close.

The Galleons would blow them out of the water with their cannons. And if they managed to board, the sailors will arm themselves with muskets and blunderbusses and shoot them.

@Trotza- Then I will just make them large carracks.

So the crews will all be armed with gun's? even though earlier you said they wouldnt be widespread, kind of contradicting yourself arent you, besides who says the gun's would be able to deter hundreds of Orks?
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Postby The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Tue Jun 14, 2016 3:11 pm

Wouldn't thick hides underneath thick armor block early rounds?
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Postby Vacif » Tue Jun 14, 2016 3:12 pm

Because my navy sucks, I just have a shit tonne of explosive decoy ships.
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Postby The Orson Empire » Tue Jun 14, 2016 3:14 pm

Shadowwell wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:What's your nation called? Maybe we can reach a deal.

That is, if they can get close.

The Galleons would blow them out of the water with their cannons. And if they managed to board, the sailors will arm themselves with muskets and blunderbusses and shoot them.

@Trotza- Then I will just make them large carracks.

So the crews will all be armed with gun's? even though earlier you said they wouldnt be widespread, kind of contradicting yourself arent you, besides who says the gun's would be able to deter hundreds of Orks?

I said 25% of my army was equipped with muskets. We are talking about my navy (which has far less personnel in it then the army).

And as I said earlier, to raid our ships, you would first have to avoid being blown out of the water by our cannons.

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Postby The Orson Empire » Tue Jun 14, 2016 3:15 pm

The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:I don't think I made it clear, my people are 6 meters tall. Any canons we buy will be used as muskets or hand cannons. I am Tetsuchikyu Teikoku.

6 meters?!

Well my people are in for quite a shock when we meet you.

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Postby The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Tue Jun 14, 2016 3:15 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Shadowwell wrote:So the crews will all be armed with gun's? even though earlier you said they wouldnt be widespread, kind of contradicting yourself arent you, besides who says the gun's would be able to deter hundreds of Orks?

I said 25% of my army was equipped with muskets. We are talking about my navy (which has far less personnel in it then the army).

And as I said earlier, to raid our ships, you would first have to avoid being blown out of the water by our cannons.

At this point, avoiding cannon fire isn't exactly hard. Low rate of fire, inaccurate, shit range
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Postby Vacif » Tue Jun 14, 2016 3:16 pm

The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:I said 25% of my army was equipped with muskets. We are talking about my navy (which has far less personnel in it then the army).

And as I said earlier, to raid our ships, you would first have to avoid being blown out of the water by our cannons.

At this point, avoiding cannon fire isn't exactly hard. Low rate of fire, inaccurate, shit range

But when combined with 3 decks worth of canons....
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Postby Shadowwell » Tue Jun 14, 2016 3:18 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Shadowwell wrote:So the crews will all be armed with gun's? even though earlier you said they wouldnt be widespread, kind of contradicting yourself arent you, besides who says the gun's would be able to deter hundreds of Orks?

I said 25% of my army was equipped with muskets. We are talking about my navy (which has far less personnel in it then the army).

And as I said earlier, to raid our ships, you would first have to avoid being blown out of the water by our cannons.

Which would have been taken out earlier by the airial Warbeasts Dropping orks. Besides what makes your cannon's so good? I could just pull a Francis Bacon to take out your treasure fleets.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Jun 14, 2016 3:22 pm

The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:Wouldn't thick hides underneath thick armor block early rounds?

Yes. Not to mention nobody has an all-gun army yet. This is the age before "bulletproof" drops out of the dictionary for four hundred years.
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Postby The Orson Empire » Tue Jun 14, 2016 3:24 pm

Shadowwell wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:I said 25% of my army was equipped with muskets. We are talking about my navy (which has far less personnel in it then the army).

And as I said earlier, to raid our ships, you would first have to avoid being blown out of the water by our cannons.

Which would have been taken out earlier by the airial Warbeasts Dropping orks. Besides what makes your cannon's so good? I could just pull a Francis Bacon to take out your treasure fleets.

This gives me another idea. If you get too close to our ships, I could have my sailors pour something similar to Greek fire onto your ships. This substance will even burn on water, so having the Orks jump into the water won't save them.

Also, on more dangerous voyages, I could deploy mages onto the ships, and they could use their powers to fend off the Orks.

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Postby The Greater Gambia » Tue Jun 14, 2016 3:27 pm

Alright Orson, what is a weakness of your ships?
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Jun 14, 2016 3:29 pm

The Greater Gambia wrote:Alright Orson, what is a weakness of your ships?

I wouldn't necessarily argue for a weakness to their ships. This is the age where some forms of warfare begin to show their age, whilst not yet dying out. If ships of the line weren't so effective then galleys would've still been popular outside the Mediterranean.

Rather, I would argue that his strengths aren't necessarily that great. Greek fire, while scary, wasn't necessarily a murder Jesus, perfect in every way. Mages certainly aren't that great either.
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Postby The Orson Empire » Tue Jun 14, 2016 3:30 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
The Greater Gambia wrote:Alright Orson, what is a weakness of your ships?

I wouldn't necessarily argue for a weakness to their ships. This is the age where some forms of warfare begin to show their age, whilst not yet dying out. If ships of the line weren't so effective then galleys would've still been popular outside the Mediterranean.

Rather, I would argue that his strengths aren't necessarily that great.

Basically this.

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Postby Shadowwell » Tue Jun 14, 2016 3:31 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
The Greater Gambia wrote:Alright Orson, what is a weakness of your ships?

I wouldn't necessarily argue for a weakness to their ships. This is the age where some forms of warfare begin to show their age, whilst not yet dying out. If ships of the line weren't so effective then galleys would've still been popular outside the Mediterranean.

Rather, I would argue that his strengths aren't necessarily that great.

But greek fire was disallowed in the first one, for a time atleast. Also Orks have there own mages as well.
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