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by Boergandina » Thu Jun 16, 2016 11:53 pm

by Icthyia » Thu Jun 16, 2016 11:55 pm
The Republic of Atria wrote:Icthyia wrote:
I understand, I personally do not enjoy white/black settings where there is no room for exploration of personal trauma or moral ambiguity. I generally wanted to focus on the character's struggle with his own past and anger, but I understand if the OP wants a more family friendly Avengers style RP, as those can be good too. I'll admit at the least, the graphic portion of the app can be changed to be more ambiguous.
I'll wait to see if he's fine with it and to what extent he wants moral changes. What I listed is fine but I don't think I could make an enjoyable character that doesn't have firm grounding in the struggles of real life. Again, that's just me and has no bearing on this RP.
There's nothing wrong with it, it's just that we've already got a huge number of those who are so dark and mysterious and edgy. Which more often than not don't come off that great because it's mostly like reading a Linkin park song. Something looses it's effectiveness when its done very often.

by Icthyia » Fri Jun 17, 2016 12:00 am
Boergandina wrote:With the Übermensch, I intend to subvert this trend of antiheroes- a hero that is literally a Nazi, but strives to right wrongs, fight injustice, and revert the world's opinion of the German people.
The Übermensch is brash and inconsiderate of collateral damage.

by Boergandina » Fri Jun 17, 2016 12:04 am
Icthyia wrote:Boergandina wrote:With the Übermensch, I intend to subvert this trend of antiheroes- a hero that is literally a Nazi, but strives to right wrongs, fight injustice, and revert the world's opinion of the German people.The Übermensch is brash and inconsiderate of collateral damage.
He checks all the boxes of "anithero" since your big deal with him Nietzsche's "superhuman" ethos, and is the literal founder of nihilism, the edgiest of philosophies.

by Charmera » Fri Jun 17, 2016 12:08 am
Icthyia wrote:The Republic of Atria wrote:
There's nothing wrong with it, it's just that we've already got a huge number of those who are so dark and mysterious and edgy. Which more often than not don't come off that great because it's mostly like reading a Linkin park song. Something looses it's effectiveness when its done very often.
Which is ironic because I like "edgy" themes precisely because they are largely absent in mainstream media, which is I am on NS and not reading a book by a professional author. The Avengers, and movies like it, gross billions of dollars and affect culture at every level. Every movie, TV show, etc. has what this RP is seemingly shooting for which, to be honest, makes me wonder why I would want preform in it and not read or participate in something far more professional.
I don't like edginess for the point of it but using "Edgy" as a pejorative like you do is often used as an excuse to hammer in a specific type of narrative, which is fine when you are creating your on work, but I find difficult to enjoy when working on something collaborative. Characters with happy backstories pushed to "make decisions" that require no sacrifice on their and without any serious issue or intellectual argument are not things I find interesting, and are generally so divorced from realty I find it difficult to take them seriously (which is why I try to explore on less popular mediums like NS).
That's why, despite fantastical elements perhaps in the setting or means to make it more fun, I prefer characters to face struggles actual people face rather than archetypes we wish existed in the real world, because 99% of the choices "heroes" make are obvious and not in any way applicable to moral crises the average person faces.
Again, I am not speaking on the quality of the RP, just expressing why my character(s) may be too "dark" for it.
Zarkenis Ultima wrote:And here, we see a wild Shittonicus Charactericus, coloquially known as Charmera, in its natural habitat. It seems to be displaying behavior expected from one of its kind, producing numerous characters and juggling them with its front paws.

by Icthyia » Fri Jun 17, 2016 12:24 am
Charmera wrote:Um. Edgy themes are actually pretty present in pop culture. That's why Avengers, Overwatch and many bright and colorful things are actually becoming popular now. Because we did a heck of a lot of edgy in the 90's and early 2000s and we still do.
Charmera wrote:And there are plenty of relatable choices made by heroes actually. A lot of the things spider man is faced with is made to be somewhat relatable.
Charmera wrote: Iron man's guilt at proliferating arms is very relatable, and he has to make choices for the furtherment of mankind.
Charmera wrote: Captain American often has to choose between his loyalty to his country and his morals.
Charmera wrote:I'm not slagging you off, I'm mostly countering points to make the point that it's not like we don't want edginess.
Charmera wrote:Though we do end up being a little restrictive (In fact, I feel like the ban should be lifted now anyway) I feel it's more in the spirit of diversity than to try and force a narrative upon people. We just don't want a million agnst machines running around, and we already have quite a few at the moment. So it would be best to wait for star to say something. If he does say no, I'll attempt to convince him otherwise for you, cause I do think your app is rather alright.

by Zarkenis Ultima » Fri Jun 17, 2016 12:30 am
Icthyia wrote:That's fine and all but it doesn't seem that way hen the first response, while civil, as to use pejorative terms that in basically every context are an insult.Comparing my character to a Linkin Park song, while calling them "edgy" (a universal insult in every social circle), "so mysterious" and other such terms came across as direct criticisms of my app and my writing style that made me want to explain why I rote what I did.

by Charmera » Fri Jun 17, 2016 7:44 am
Icthyia wrote:
No it does not. Let's go through the higest grossing films:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/cha ... 016&p=.htm
Not a single one of those is "Edgy". We have had movies with far more real themes but the edgy pejorative began as a solely internet phenomena so people could feel better than misguided teenagers as ell as put down people with interests different from them.
Charmera wrote:And there are plenty of relatable choices made by heroes actually. A lot of the things spider man is faced with is made to be somewhat relatable.
I ill give you Spider-man is more relatable than most heroes; this nevertheless ignores that it is always an objective good vs. an objective bad with a hero that, despite facing some issues, will always in the end have everything work out for them.
That is the problem with superhero movies; that all have the exact same ending. The new spider-man at least ended on a darker note and I did enjoy that quite a bit.
Charmera wrote: Iron man's guilt at proliferating arms is very relatable, and he has to make choices for the furtherment of mankind.
No it's not, because most people don't face problems like that. He has billions of dollars and is a genius; of course he houldn't proliferate arms, that's not even question. The fact he can then strap up in a suit at no real cost to him or his loved ones is not relatable to the thousands of people ho fight actual gun proliferation and violence int he middle east.
If this were a real problem they wanted to explore rather than an ecuse to get him in the suit, they would actual show video footage of the consequences of his actions that miic realty.
Charmera wrote: Captain American often has to choose between his loyalty to his country and his morals.
And in most of these instance it's an absolutely easy to make either/or position. In Winter soldiers morals ere obviously superior. Otherwise they create an excuse, where the government intellectually is absolutely right, for him to have a "moral problem" they can throw up and complicate most of the viewers aren't watching for that. He also has very strange concerns about what is a moral problem considering there a million and one things the government in Avengers does that is troubling but he doesn'tseem to care until it personally affects him,so he's clearly not that moral a man, which is fine, if the producers were honest about it.
Charmera wrote:I'm not slagging you off, I'm mostly countering points to make the point that it's not like we don't want edginess.
That's fine and all but it doesn't seem that way hen the first response, while civil, as to use pejorative terms that in basically every context are an insult.Comparing my character to a Linkin Park song, while calling them "edgy" (a universal insult in every social circle), "so mysterious" and other such terms came across as direct criticisms of my app and my writing style that made me want to explain why I rote what I did.
Heck, I have a edgy half demon and a sister whom was the victim of a lack of favoritism. I have a girl who will one day have to deal with the fact that she was never human and that all she believed about herself was a lie. So we're not really trying to hammer out a specific story or hogtie anyone really. Quite the opposite actually. We just want things to be more diverse and interesting. We wouldn't want there to be too many heroes any more than too many villains (Though the former is easier to remedy than the latter IOM).
This was not what was implied in the response to my app.
Charmera wrote:Though we do end up being a little restrictive (In fact, I feel like the ban should be lifted now anyway) I feel it's more in the spirit of diversity than to try and force a narrative upon people. We just don't want a million agnst machines running around, and we already have quite a few at the moment. So it would be best to wait for star to say something. If he does say no, I'll attempt to convince him otherwise for you, cause I do think your app is rather alright.
That's fine and thank you for doing so, as I said none of what I said was a knock on the RP and I would be more than happy to participate in it. I just think insults like "angst machine" are excuses used to delve into far more hard to write character development, of which stereotypical heroes often develop so little.
Zarkenis Ultima wrote:And here, we see a wild Shittonicus Charactericus, coloquially known as Charmera, in its natural habitat. It seems to be displaying behavior expected from one of its kind, producing numerous characters and juggling them with its front paws.

by The Starlight » Fri Jun 17, 2016 8:23 am
Call me StarBest High Fantasy RPer of '14 and '15
"Life before Death. Strength before Weakness. Journey before Destination""Strength does not make one capable of rule. It makes one capable of service"
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"
"If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world"Tri: NS's Tolkien incarnate
Lith: Twinky-toes, Lord of Elves, and the only man to enter Tolkien's Holy of Holies
Neros: A Star Among Men and a Tolkien force of nature in relation to Elves and Asgardians.P2TM: Infinite Justice | ✎ Member - ℘ædagog | ℳadhouse

by Shadowwell » Fri Jun 17, 2016 8:38 am
Zarkenis Ultima wrote:I'm not gonna accept or deny anything yet, just doing my rounds, but so far the apps I've seen here look fine, with a few exceptions. Icthyia, your character seems a tad dark for the OP's wishes. Shadowwell, you already know about the moratorium on villains, so I'll just say that I'll defer to the OP in this case. Boergandina, I like the application but the personality section confuses me a little, does Johannes have multiple personalities, or is the difference between his normal and superhero personas an act, and if so, which is the real one? Sivio, might want to hold off on that faction app 'til the team is established. Just some advice. There's nothing wrong with it, though.
by Onekawa-Nukanor » Fri Jun 17, 2016 9:23 am


- Utterly Clueless: Has no idea about the modern eras rules, expectations, norms or technology. Utterly confused, if intrigued, by his new surroundings
- Nigh irreparable armour: With black smithing all but dead in the modern era, and the master level blacksmith required to repair the armour of the Blue Crusader being extinct, means damage done to his armour is essentially permanent. When the armour finally cracks too far, the armour is useless
- Time sickness: Because of his dramatic relocation, Alessandro regularly feels a crippling illness in which he maybe invalidated for as long as a week. Usually in the form of extreme headaches and stomach cramps. Can occur at any time.

by Sivio » Fri Jun 17, 2016 9:35 am
Onekawa-Nukanor wrote:-snip-

by The Starlight » Fri Jun 17, 2016 10:26 am
Shadowwell wrote:EDIT: Star, would i be ab;e to possibly get away with a supervillainish character? I made an app for Xylon Pharmeueticals but didnt finish it, and you need an app for the factions leader, so If i finish the xylon app could i make a supervillainish character as the head? (he wouldnt be truly evil, simply bored with humanity failing to be peaceful after so long.
Sivio wrote:My idea is to create a team called The Renegades. It would consist of at least seven heroes. Mostly, they would have left already existing factions/teams, but anyone can join.
Shadowwell wrote:Character Application
[PLEASE DELETE ALL PARENTHESES BEFORE SUBMITTING APPLICATIONS. INCLUDING THIS ONE]
Name: Harold Cage AKA Curtis Stone AKA sir Rodger Todd
EDIT: CO-OPs and OP, what was the plan for the rift? I was going to have Brain try something, He probably wont exactly succeed, but i still want to know.
Fascist Republic Of Bermuda wrote:Finally finished this.Faction Application
Faction Name: Supernatural, Extraterrestrial, and Extraordinary Containment Agency (S.E.E.C.A., more commonly referred to as SEEKER)
Location: Worldwide, but focused in Europe, the Americas, SE Asia, and the Middle East. Primary base (Base Alpha) is at Groom Lake, Nevada, United States of America. Major secondary installations are in Oak Ridge, Tennessee, United States of America, Klaipėda, Klaipėda County, Lithuania, Farnborough, England, United Kingdom, Triulla Atoll, Solomon Islands, The Alps, Bavaria, Federal Republic of Germany, and Hashima, Nagasaki Prefecture, Japan.
Level of Technology: Surpassing the rest of humanity slightly, but well below Xantheian tech.
By far the most advanced technology in SEEKER are bits of tech left over by the Xantheians, but despite extensive research use of the alien technology remains out of SEEKER's grasp for now. The runner-up is obviously the Crusader Powered Exoskeleton, but that technology remains in its infancy. Often overlooked but perhaps the most vital in SEEKER's success is the miniaturization of computers. This allows for everything from tablets as powerful as the latest desktop PC and the development of Shock Troopers' gas masks, which allows soldiers to receive real-time intelligence, communicate quickly and easily, and record everything in a mask-mounted camera, all the while protecting against chemical weapons and hardly hampering sight.
Faction Biography/Lore: SEEKER's immediate predecessors were the American Bureau of Extraordinary Affairs (BEA) and the NATO Extraterrestrial Command (EXTERCOM). The former was founded first, as the number of supervillains rose and law enforcement found themselves overwhelmed. The Bureau was moderately successful(ish), helping control mass panic in the form of press releases and finally shedding some light on the world of metahumans. It was disbanded as a result of the Invasion. EXTERCOM was an emergency measure for NATO in the face of the Xantheian invasion. Despite the best equipment and personnel NATO could offer, EXTERCOM was ultimately crushed like so much of the world's resistance. And then the Justice Queens rose and freed humanity.
With order restored in much of the world, the nations of NATO came together to discuss recent events. Superpowered individuals, aliens, all were becoming distressingly common. A top-secret meeting of major NATO defense officials in Brussels came to the conclusion that humanity had to fight back against the tide sweeping them away. An off-the-books, heavily classified agency designed to combat extraordinary threats was required. The result was the formation of SEECA, or the Supernatural, Extraterrestrial, and Extraordinary Containment Agency. Later abbreviated simply to SEEKER, the new agency made its home in Area 51, a legendary American military installation. NATO members covertly fund the organization, who has a ridiculous degree of autonomy despite technically reporting to NATO.
Population Size: 20,000 employees worldwide.
Army size: 2,500 field agents of various specializations. About 1,500 are Shock Troopers. Roughly 100 are Crusaders.
Additional information: Shock Troopers are the militant branch of SEEKER, specializing in taking down opponents with force.
Crusaders are the elite of the elite. Clad in prototype suits of powered armor, they are trained and equipped to take on almost anything.
And two SEEKER guys:Character Application
Name: Brigadier General Johnathan Moore
Superhero Name: N/A
Age: 50
Gender: Male
Race/Species: Human
Appearance: Visual Aid.
Personality: Pragmatic, but fair. Stern but not without a sense of humor. He is not afraid to sacrifice men, but he never wastes them.
Biography: Johnathan Moore was born to a USMC Colonel stationed in West Germany during the height of the Cold War. As a child, Moore was often brought to HQ by his father, where he first expressed an interest in the military. This pleased old Colonel Moore, who wanted his son to be a Marine through and through, like most of his family. At the age of 18, John was shipped back to the States to attend the United States Naval Academy.
Four years later, Johnathan Moore was granted a commission as a Second Lieutenant in the United States Marine Corps. Thus began Moore's service career. He fought in Panama, Iraq, Somalia, Bosnia, and Afghanistan. Along the way, he even found enough time to grab a wife and father two kids. After the opening of the Xantheian Box, Moore and his unit would be deployed to take down supervillains. Those would be quickly halted by the arrival of the Xantheians. A few intense but futile battles followed, and Moore and his unit were captured and placed in a POW camp.
The liberation was swift. But not swift enough. Moore had to witness most of his unit being brutally and slowly tortured. Only 23 soldiers remained when the Justice Queens liberated the camp.
After returning home, Moore planned to retire when a high-ranking US DoD official approached Moore with the offer of a lifetime: command of a government agency. The official would not specify further until Moore accepted. Shortly afterward, he found himself inducted as Commander of SEEKER and briefed on everything NATO had gathered about "extra-ordinary" people and events. That was several months ago.
Powers/Abilities:
- Commander: Chief of SEEKER. Not a superpower per se, but still useful.
- Linguist: Fluent in English and German. Proficient in Spanish, Arabic, Korean, and Russian.
- Military Training: He's military. They trained him. Again, not a superpower, but useful.
Weaknesses
- Only Human: He is a regular human being. He has no superpowers.
- Age: He's a middle-aged man, he is not in the best shape.
Equipment:
- Colt M1911A1
- USMC KA-BAR
- Earpiece
Likes: The USMC, History, Gardening, Everything going as planned, His family
Dislikes: Wastefulness, Bureaucracy, Xantheians, Metahumans
Theme Song: Here.
Additional information:
RP Sample: Boom.Character Application
Name: Captain Robert Kenner
Superhero Name: N/A
Age: 34
Gender: Male
Race/Species: Human
Appearance: Visual Aid.
Personality: Stubborn and hard, but he would never order someone under his command to do something he wouldn't be willing to do himself. He will get his objectives completed one way or the other.
Biography: Robert Kenner was born in Saint Louis, Missouri, to a middle-class family with no real legacy. After an entirely unremarkable childhood, Kenner joined the US Army after graduating college. Not long afterward, he was recruited into the Green Berets, where he would spend the rest of his service days in the US Armed Forces. Like most US military units, he would be deployed against the rising tide of supervillains. After being WIA during a mission to halt one such supervillain, Kenner slipped into a coma. He was granted the Medal of Honor for his actions, but it was considered to be almost posthumous.
However, after the Xantheians were pushed back, Kenner woke up. After being nursed back to health, he left the Green Berets with an honorable discharge. One month later, he was scooped up by SEEKER's newly formed Shock Trooper Corps as an officer, where he remains to this day.
Powers/Abilities:
- Commando Training: Trained by the best to be the best. Peak human condition and all that.
- Weapons Expert: He can operate most weapons fairly easily.
Weaknesses
- Only Human: He is a regular human being. No superpowers.
- Wars May Be Fought With Weapons: Take away his equipment, and he is left with his decidedly average hand-to-hand skills.
Equipment:
- Heckler and Koch G3A3
- Beretta M9
- Combat knife
- SEEKER uniform
- Guns, explosives, communications equipment, uniforms, etc. as mission parameters require.
Likes: Easy missions, Swimming, Cold beers, Skydiving
Dislikes: Snakes, Aliens, Snake Aliens, Mondays
Theme Song: Here.
Additional information:
RP Sample: See above.
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Call me StarBest High Fantasy RPer of '14 and '15
"Life before Death. Strength before Weakness. Journey before Destination""Strength does not make one capable of rule. It makes one capable of service"
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"
"If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world"Tri: NS's Tolkien incarnate
Lith: Twinky-toes, Lord of Elves, and the only man to enter Tolkien's Holy of Holies
Neros: A Star Among Men and a Tolkien force of nature in relation to Elves and Asgardians.P2TM: Infinite Justice | ✎ Member - ℘ædagog | ℳadhouse

by Shadowwell » Fri Jun 17, 2016 10:29 am

by Boergandina » Fri Jun 17, 2016 11:38 am

by Gratis Suid-Alfashir Republiek » Fri Jun 17, 2016 11:39 am

by Boergandina » Fri Jun 17, 2016 11:43 am

by Gratis Suid-Alfashir Republiek » Fri Jun 17, 2016 12:09 pm
Boergandina wrote:Gratis Suid-Alfashir Republiek wrote:Wondering here, but shoudl Not!Nazi hero ad Valiant have had a fights before?
It's doubtful. They may have had conflicts in the 90s when the Übermensch was just then coming into his own as a hero, but previous to that from 1933 to 1945 he was but a child, and from 1945 to 1970 he was effectively isolated at the Mengele Villa in Argentina. From the 70s to 1991, he wasn't directly doing any fighting, but was funding various Anti-Communist forces throughout the world like the Mujaheddin and the Chinese Nationalists.

by The Starlight » Fri Jun 17, 2016 12:17 pm
Call me StarBest High Fantasy RPer of '14 and '15
"Life before Death. Strength before Weakness. Journey before Destination""Strength does not make one capable of rule. It makes one capable of service"
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"
"If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world"Tri: NS's Tolkien incarnate
Lith: Twinky-toes, Lord of Elves, and the only man to enter Tolkien's Holy of Holies
Neros: A Star Among Men and a Tolkien force of nature in relation to Elves and Asgardians.P2TM: Infinite Justice | ✎ Member - ℘ædagog | ℳadhouse

by Boergandina » Fri Jun 17, 2016 12:18 pm

by Boergandina » Fri Jun 17, 2016 1:23 pm
Tomia wrote:I hope everyone appreciates the work Star does for this RP, and how good he is at his job. Really he deserves a round of applause. So I present, the band of emoji clappers.
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by Sivio » Fri Jun 17, 2016 1:39 pm

by The Starlight » Fri Jun 17, 2016 2:14 pm
Tomia wrote:I hope everyone appreciates the work Star does for this RP, and how good he is at his job. Really he deserves a round of applause. So I present, the band of emoji clappers.
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Call me StarBest High Fantasy RPer of '14 and '15
"Life before Death. Strength before Weakness. Journey before Destination""Strength does not make one capable of rule. It makes one capable of service"
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"
"If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world"Tri: NS's Tolkien incarnate
Lith: Twinky-toes, Lord of Elves, and the only man to enter Tolkien's Holy of Holies
Neros: A Star Among Men and a Tolkien force of nature in relation to Elves and Asgardians.P2TM: Infinite Justice | ✎ Member - ℘ædagog | ℳadhouse

by Spindle » Fri Jun 17, 2016 2:25 pm
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