Star Wars: The Jedi Lords (OOC and sign up thread)

[Pantorrum]

So, Ism, what exactly did you send to Terinus in your transmission? I got a little confused for a minute.
I know you told him about the meeting with the Empire on Korriban, but what did you tell him about Bastion? Or was that sent to someone else?

[Ism]

If the Republic has forces to spare they would likely be sent to the front rather than to protect a planet with 0 strategic value. It only benefit is its wealth and again the Republic officially condoned the operation. If they go back on their word here it could alarm large corporations such as Czerka who also deal with the Sith. This could push them more into the Sith sphere of influence which would hurt the Republic in the long run more than mining Ilum would.

Where'd you get zero strategic value from? Any planet the Sith are on has strategic value because it's an opportunity to kill Sith, let alone it's the most sacred Jedi world. The Jedi are integral to the war effort.

Let me explain the Republic defense. The Jedi Lords maintain the border, the Republic military responds to crisis points. So the Republic does have the numbers to respond to an attack on one planet.

How could the Republic officially condone the operation? The Republic doesn't know Ilum exists?

"Eventually, the Order reclaimed Ilum and once again hid its location, removing records of the battles there, which only lived on as dark legends of the past. Despite the planet's overall importance, the High Council recalled all members of the Order that were living on the planet, back to Coruscant and shuttered all facilities save the primary Temple. With no one to maintain them, most of the other Jedi installations were consumed by the planet's constant snowfall or crushed under moving glaciers."

The Order lacks a presence on Ilum. They would not even know we were there.


EDIT: I should say they lack a permanent presence on Ilum.

[Scienticia]

So Ism, what's Happenign with the mining, do we send slaves/robots over yet? And could we go and slaughter a bunch of padawans when they go onto the planet and make it seem like their master(who killed themselves afterwards) murdered them, then the public and the republic would develop a deep distrust for the Jedi making them less likely to attack the planet

[Ism]

So, Ism, what exactly did you send to Terinus in your transmission? I got a little confused for a minute.
I know you told him about the meeting with the Empire on Korriban, but what did you tell him about Bastion? Or was that sent to someone else?

That message was sent to Bastion and then routed from there to Terinus, to avoid Malakith monitoring its contents or destination.

[Ism]

So Ism, what's Happenign with the mining, do we send slaves/robots over yet? And could we go and slaughter a bunch of padawans when they go onto the planet and make it seem like their master(who killed themselves afterwards) murdered them, then the public and the republic would develop a deep distrust for the Jedi making them less likely to attack the planet

That seems highly unlikely to succeed.

[Brusia]

Xenon, I think you may have missed the last few IC posts. Claudius and the Republic soldiers he helped rescue are currently fighting the slaver camp guards, and Ziam is freeing the slaves, so the whole camp is kind of a battlefield right now.

[Scienticia]

So Ism, what's Happenign with the mining, do we send slaves/robots over yet? And could we go and slaughter a bunch of padawans when they go onto the planet and make it seem like their master(who killed themselves afterwards) murdered them, then the public and the republic would develop a deep distrust for the Jedi making them less likely to attack the planet

That seems highly unlikely to succeed.

Hey, it's just an idea. I'm trying to blacken the name of the Jedi

[The first Galactic Republic]

Where'd you get zero strategic value from? Any planet the Sith are on has strategic value because it's an opportunity to kill Sith, let alone it's the most sacred Jedi world. The Jedi are integral to the war effort.

Let me explain the Republic defense. The Jedi Lords maintain the border, the Republic military responds to crisis points. So the Republic does have the numbers to respond to an attack on one planet.

How could the Republic officially condone the operation? The Republic doesn't know Ilum exists?

"Eventually, the Order reclaimed Ilum and once again hid its location, removing records of the battles there, which only lived on as dark legends of the past. Despite the planet's overall importance, the High Council recalled all members of the Order that were living on the planet, back to Coruscant and shuttered all facilities save the primary Temple. With no one to maintain them, most of the other Jedi installations were consumed by the planet's constant snowfall or crushed under moving glaciers."

The Order lacks a presence on Ilum. They would not even know we were there.


EDIT: I should say they lack a permanent presence on Ilum.

The big temple has a presence. The big temple. Smaller temples were abandoned.

Something I should have asked awhile back, how do you all know about it?

[The first Galactic Republic]

So Ism, what's Happenign with the mining, do we send slaves/robots over yet? And could we go and slaughter a bunch of padawans when they go onto the planet and make it seem like their master(who killed themselves afterwards) murdered them, then the public and the republic would develop a deep distrust for the Jedi making them less likely to attack the planet

That seems highly unlikely to succeed.

That seems so ridiculous people might immediately blame the Sith just because of how ridiculous that seems.

[Brusia]

"Eventually, the Order reclaimed Ilum and once again hid its location, removing records of the battles there, which only lived on as dark legends of the past. Despite the planet's overall importance, the High Council recalled all members of the Order that were living on the planet, back to Coruscant and shuttered all facilities save the primary Temple. With no one to maintain them, most of the other Jedi installations were consumed by the planet's constant snowfall or crushed under moving glaciers."

The Order lacks a presence on Ilum. They would not even know we were there.


EDIT: I should say they lack a permanent presence on Ilum.

I just read the wiki, and "eventually" just means at some point before the Clone Wars; it does not necessarily mean that there was no Jedi presence on Ilum during the New Sith Wars, and given that the Sith attacked Ilum once before, I can't imagine the Council would leave a planet of such spiritual importance to the Jedi totally undefended and uninhabited with Sith forces looming nearby.

[Scienticia]

That seems highly unlikely to succeed.

That seems so ridiculous people might immediately blame the Sith just because of how ridiculous that seems.

Would they blame a Jedi instruction gone mad, who, after killing his apprentices out of his insanity killed himself? And it's not exactly unrealistic, murder-suicides are quite common in the real world.

[Ism]

"Eventually, the Order reclaimed Ilum and once again hid its location, removing records of the battles there, which only lived on as dark legends of the past. Despite the planet's overall importance, the High Council recalled all members of the Order that were living on the planet, back to Coruscant and shuttered all facilities save the primary Temple. With no one to maintain them, most of the other Jedi installations were consumed by the planet's constant snowfall or crushed under moving glaciers."

The Order lacks a presence on Ilum. They would not even know we were there.


EDIT: I should say they lack a permanent presence on Ilum.

The big temple has a presence. The big temple. Smaller temples were abandoned.

Something I should have asked awhile back, how do you all know about it?

No, it says "all members"not "all members except those in the primary temple". The difference is that the Primary Temple has power, which presumably powers machinery keeping it safe.

"Eventually, the Order reclaimed Ilum and once again hid its location, removing records of the battles there, which only lived on as dark legends of the past. Despite the planet's overall importance, the High Council recalled all members of the Order that were living on the planet, back to Coruscant and shuttered all facilities save the primary Temple. With no one to maintain them, most of the other Jedi installations were consumed by the planet's constant snowfall or crushed under moving glaciers."

The Order lacks a presence on Ilum. They would not even know we were there.


EDIT: I should say they lack a permanent presence on Ilum.

I just read the wiki, and "eventually" just means at some point before the Clone Wars; it does not necessarily mean that there was no Jedi presence on Ilum during the New Sith Wars, and given that the Sith attacked Ilum once before, I can't imagine the Council would leave a planet of such spiritual importance to the Jedi totally undefended and uninhabited with Sith forces looming nearby.

Eventually was towards the end of the Galactic War. Or immediately at the end of it. So that's thousands of years ago. And it seems likely that the recall was around this time too, as this is all within the same section, in the same paragraph of the article.

[The first Galactic Republic]

That seems so ridiculous people might immediately blame the Sith just because of how ridiculous that seems.

Would they blame a Jedi instruction gone mad, who, after killing his apprentices out of his insanity killed himself? And it's not exactly unrealistic, murder-suicides are quite common in the real world.

I don't see how they would arrive to that conclusion.

That sort of happened with the Jedi Covenant, and no one believed it happened when it actually did.

[The first Galactic Republic]

The big temple has a presence. The big temple. Smaller temples were abandoned.

Something I should have asked awhile back, how do you all know about it?

No, it says "all members"not "all members except those in the primary temple". The difference is that the Primary Temple has power, which presumably powers machinery keeping it safe.

I just read the wiki, and "eventually" just means at some point before the Clone Wars; it does not necessarily mean that there was no Jedi presence on Ilum during the New Sith Wars, and given that the Sith attacked Ilum once before, I can't imagine the Council would leave a planet of such spiritual importance to the Jedi totally undefended and uninhabited with Sith forces looming nearby.

Eventually was towards the end of the Galactic War. Or immediately at the end of it. So that's thousands of years ago. And it seems likely that the recall was around this time too, as this is all within the same section, in the same paragraph of the article.

But there's Jedi in it.

What are you going to do blow it up? Protected by canon, you'll have to seize it somehow.

It only says the other Jedi installations had no one to maintain them. If no one was maintaining the High Temple it would be destroyed also but it wasn't.

[Scienticia]

Would they blame a Jedi instruction gone mad, who, after killing his apprentices out of his insanity killed himself? And it's not exactly unrealistic, murder-suicides are quite common in the real world.

I don't see how they would arrive to that conclusion.

That sort of happened with the Jedi Covenant, and no one believed it happened when it actually did.

You kill the young ones with their lightsabers and then kill them in a method that is perfectly possible to have inflicted upon themselves

[Scienticia]

No, it says "all members"not "all members except those in the primary temple". The difference is that the Primary Temple has power, which presumably powers machinery keeping it safe.




Eventually was towards the end of the Galactic War. Or immediately at the end of it. So that's thousands of years ago. And it seems likely that the recall was around this time too, as this is all within the same section, in the same paragraph of the article.

But there's Jedi in it.

What are you going to do blow it up? Protected by canon, you'll have to seize it somehow.

*cough*sith assassins and commandoes*cough*

[The first Galactic Republic]

But there's Jedi in it.

What are you going to do blow it up? Protected by canon, you'll have to seize it somehow.

*cough*sith assassins and commandoes*cough*

*cough*reinforcements*cough*

[Ism]

No, it says "all members"not "all members except those in the primary temple". The difference is that the Primary Temple has power, which presumably powers machinery keeping it safe.




Eventually was towards the end of the Galactic War. Or immediately at the end of it. So that's thousands of years ago. And it seems likely that the recall was around this time too, as this is all within the same section, in the same paragraph of the article.

But there's Jedi in it.

What are you going to do blow it up? Protected by canon, you'll have to seize it somehow.

It only says the other Jedi installations had no one to maintain them. If no one was maintaining the High Temple it would be destroyed also but it wasn't.

Or we could just mine in a different part of the mountains.

[The first Galactic Republic]

I don't see how they would arrive to that conclusion.

That sort of happened with the Jedi Covenant, and no one believed it happened when it actually did.

You kill the young ones with their lightsabers and then kill them in a method that is perfectly possible to have inflicted upon themselves

It just seems like the public wouldn't buy that before the investigators found out the truth. Even if they gave up the public still wouldn't arrive to that conclusion en masse.

[The first Galactic Republic]

But there's Jedi in it.

What are you going to do blow it up? Protected by canon, you'll have to seize it somehow.

It only says the other Jedi installations had no one to maintain them. If no one was maintaining the High Temple it would be destroyed also but it wasn't.

Or we could just mine in a different part of the mountains.

Your mining operations could realistically only be very limited though to avoid detection.

Also and again, how do you know about the planet at all?

[The first Galactic Republic]

Where did two-thousand force sensitive children come from?

[Ism]

You kill the young ones with their lightsabers and then kill them in a method that is perfectly possible to have inflicted upon themselves

It just seems like the public wouldn't buy that before the investigators found out the truth. Even if they gave up the public still wouldn't arrive to that conclusion en masse.

Not to mention no one is on Ilum to report it. And the Jedi probably would not go telling everyone when they found out.

Or we could just mine in a different part of the mountains.

Your mining operations could realistically only be very limited though to avoid detection.

Also and again, how do you know about the planet at all?

Records from the Sith Empire presumably. And no they could be moderate. Padawans would not have the focus to notice something so far away through the force, and even a large mining operation is not visible from space.

[Scienticia]

Where did two-thousand force sensitive children come from?

I kidnapped all of them... YAY!

[Ism]

Scientifica cloning force sensitives does not end well.

[Brusia]

Eventually was towards the end of the Galactic War. Or immediately at the end of it. So that's thousands of years ago. And it seems likely that the recall was around this time too, as this is all within the same section, in the same paragraph of the article.

I'm looking at the wiki right now and the section you quoted was not in the same paragraph that was referring to the end of the Galactic War, but in the paragraph after, and the paragraph immediately after the section you quoted starts with "In 22 BBY," so the section you cited covers around 3600 years of Ilum's history. There is absolutely no way to know from that article whether the Jedi left the planet closer to the Clone Wars or closer to the Galactic War.