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Postby Chewion » Fri Apr 15, 2016 11:55 am

The Manticoran Empire wrote:
Chewion wrote:Sure. I got two globemasters from Ramstein and some other planes so I can transport my land forces into Alaska. Also I am going to be mass producing a lot of vehicles.

Can you support my war against Mexico and possibly meet with Richard Allen IC?

Sure.
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Postby The Manticoran Empire » Fri Apr 15, 2016 11:56 am

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The Manticoran Empire wrote:Can you support my war against Mexico and possibly meet with Richard Allen IC?


You still need to meet with Eberhardt, brah. Ill timing on that declaration. Comments on Hobbes and the Reagan?

Hawaii lacks the facilities for a modern Aircraft Carrier. Pearl Harbor is just too shallow and there isn't a large enough port on the West Coast outside of California or Washington.

I'll look into that Eberhardt thing. Give me a moment.
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Postby Prolieum » Fri Apr 15, 2016 11:57 am

Chewion wrote:
The Manticoran Empire wrote:Can you support my war against Mexico and possibly meet with Richard Allen IC?

Sure.


Not sure what an Abrahams tank is. I would highly recommend building the F-35, you already have the facilities for it, you would need to restructure everything for the F-22.
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Postby Chewion » Fri Apr 15, 2016 11:59 am

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Chewion wrote:Sure.


Not sure what an Abrahams tank is. I would highly recommend building the F-35, you already have the facilities for it, you would need to restructure everything for the F-22.

I have to fix that I meant the Abrams. Couldn't I turn a few into F-22 factories?
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Postby Prolieum » Fri Apr 15, 2016 12:02 pm

Chewion wrote:
Prolieum wrote:
Not sure what an Abrahams tank is. I would highly recommend building the F-35, you already have the facilities for it, you would need to restructure everything for the F-22.

I have to fix that I meant the Abrams. Couldn't I turn a few into F-22 factories?


I know, I was joking. You could turn them into F-22 facilities, what I am noting is that that would take some time, while you can begin production on F-35s almost immediately, the only issue there is resources, but those are easier to get than for the F-22. You have Air Force Plant 4, which is set to make them-if you want to convert other factories, it is a somewhat lengthy process, especially for the high-tech craft.
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Postby Hillary Clinton 2016-2024 » Fri Apr 15, 2016 12:03 pm

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Hillary Clinton 2016-2024 wrote:So you didn't lose a plane but I lost all mine?godmod.


If you can explain how an alternate scenario is plausible, I would be happy to change it.

Okay.
My Planes were actually sent through the Atkantic Ocean,through the south,Texas,then to Wyoming,so you have less warning time,unless the countries I passed over warned you,which I doubt.
B.My planes were flying at very high altitude,almost to dangerous to fly at with them,I'm not saying this contributes to the battle,but it would take you more previous time to get to 20,000 ft,the only dropped when they got near their target,Francis E, Warren Air Force Base,Cheyenne,Wyoming
C.The Special Operations unit i modified by putting four guns and two unguided rockets on and removing bombs,so my planes had a makeshift escort.
D.If we were intercepted,it would most likely be over Texas or Oklahoma because by then you would of realized where I was going,or atleast knew I had michevious intentions,and if we're Fighting over Texas,Texas can easily attack you seeing you as a threat,and if it is over Oklahoma,Texas could still see you as a threat and counterattack you.
E.Lets say to destroy most of our planes,we still could break formation or rapidly climb altitude,and because we have [sorry excuses for] Fighters at least one or two of your planes would get damaged or shot down,even if the crew survived.
F.Bombers typically have some form of defense on them,so even if my Special Operations Unit wasn't fitted with fighter guns,they still could fight back in a feeble attempt to repel the enemy.
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Postby The Manticoran Empire » Fri Apr 15, 2016 12:04 pm

Prolieum wrote:
Chewion wrote:Sure.


Not sure what an Abrahams tank is. I would highly recommend building the F-35, you already have the facilities for it, you would need to restructure everything for the F-22.

One other thing is how have you nearly completed a destroyer in only about two-three months? How are you close to 45% finished with a naval base that can house 5 destroyers, 2 cruisers, and 2 submarines in, again, barely 3 months? And where are you building these heavy armored vehicles? The tank plants I know of is Lima Army Tank Plant and Detroit Arsenal Tank Plant and Detroit Arsenal hasn't built a tank in 20 years. So unless you magicked some tank production facilities, you're in the same boat I am, having to scratch build factories capable of producing 70 ton monsters in large numbers. Which will take a lot of time.
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Postby Prolieum » Fri Apr 15, 2016 12:09 pm

The Manticoran Empire wrote:
Prolieum wrote:
Not sure what an Abrahams tank is. I would highly recommend building the F-35, you already have the facilities for it, you would need to restructure everything for the F-22.

One other thing is how have you nearly completed a destroyer in only about two-three months? How are you close to 45% finished with a naval base that can house 5 destroyers, 2 cruisers, and 2 submarines in, again, barely 3 months? And where are you building these heavy armored vehicles? The tank plants I know of is Lima Army Tank Plant and Detroit Arsenal Tank Plant and Detroit Arsenal hasn't built a tank in 20 years. So unless you magicked some tank production facilities, you're in the same boat I am, having to scratch build factories capable of producing 70 ton monsters in large numbers. Which will take a lot of time.


A few things.

1. Yeah, the tanks he is putting out are going to be Abrams only in name. He does have better heavy industry than you, but the conversion takes some time.
2. I have been operating under the assumption that the base is basically simply focused on being a dock, and not a full-amenities port.
3. It has been more like three weeks than two-three months.
4. For the Destroyer-in two-three months it is possible (see the Liberty ships) it is simply not going to be an Arleigh Burke-level thing. In three weeks, it is possible to be at that point-but the same as above applies, and that is burst speed.
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Postby Hillary Clinton 2016-2024 » Fri Apr 15, 2016 12:10 pm

Is it okay if I build F-35's?if it it I need to recuperate from the Francis E. Warren mess.
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Postby Federal States of Xathuecia » Fri Apr 15, 2016 12:18 pm

Something is bothering me, please understand industry everyone!!!!! Only California, Washington State, the Midwest, New York, New England, and Pennsylvania as well as the corridor from Chicago to Louisiana have the capacity to mass produce things. So Texas has oil but it's car industry could not mass produce and not only that but how are you even convincing these companies to do so? Cause Ford & General Motors are not based there - and airplanes production is concentrated in New England, Michigan, Washington, and the East & West coasts (a few) so limit that 'mass production' - and this costs money, is the government paying for this with taxes? Are you raising taxes? Are you forcing companies? No bank in the US besides the federal reserve is prepared to sustain a war time economy (unless you sieze it all). So you either stop your 'mass production or your running yourself into some hefty debt. Sorry for the rant but something that has been bothering me.
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Postby The Jaclean Empire » Fri Apr 15, 2016 12:18 pm

NS Nation Name: The Jaclean Empire
Position Applying for (Major General of the Republic of New England, President of X country, etc. etc.): President Jack Scalise, of The Mississippi league.(Iowa, Missouri, and Minnesota.)
Flag of your nation (if new nation) Image
One paragraph history of your country (if new country): Founded in the midst of the secession, Missourians wanted to be like everyone else. Jack Scalise took control of the state and overran Iowa. Seizing it for Missouri. To avoid war Minnesota joined as well. Scalise took emergency powers for himself and built up the economy. Fearing rebellion from the former government Scalise made checks for his powers and instituted local governments in the old states. Scalise now rules with popular support. The Mississippi League now focuses on itself and is very isolationist. The government of the Scalise Administration is focused mainly on stabilizing its territory and increasing its citizens wealth and comforts. St. Louis is its capital and from the Presidential Manor at the Arch Grounds Jack Scalise serves as leader. The Territorial Legislature rules from the Capitol at The Arch Grounds. Militarily the Mississippi league focuses on mainly defensive measures. However they keep 3 powerful patrol fleets meant for primarily the Mississippi river, but also the great lakes and to a much lesser extent the ocean.
One paragraph history of your character: Jack was #8 of 9 children. His mother died giving birth to his sister Arabella. After that his father became drunk and abusive. He especially hated Arabella whom he blamed for his wife's death. Whenever his father would try to beat his sister Jack would try to defend her and take the beating away from his sister onto him. Jack eventually got his father to change and his father became a politician. Scalise joined the navy in 1963 and was stationed in West Germany. When Vietnam started Jack was stationed in Vietnam. His position as an officer made him commander of a river boat. He was seriously wounded when his river boat exploded during combat and was awarded for heroism and bravery in the field of combat. Jack followed suit after his father and became a career politician. He became a beloved politician in Missouri. Jack was a popular leader and liked by even members of other parties. He served several political positions, and was a popular presidential candidate. When the collapse happened he united three states under his rule.
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Postby Prolieum » Fri Apr 15, 2016 12:19 pm

Hillary Clinton 2016-2024 wrote:
Prolieum wrote:
If you can explain how an alternate scenario is plausible, I would be happy to change it.

Okay.
My Planes were actually sent through the Atkantic Ocean,through the south,Texas,then to Wyoming,so you have less warning time,unless the countries I passed over warned you,which I doubt.
B.My planes were flying at very high altitude,almost to dangerous to fly at with them,I'm not saying this contributes to the battle,but it would take you more previous time to get to 20,000 ft,the only dropped when they got near their target,Francis E, Warren Air Force Base,Cheyenne,Wyoming
C.The Special Operations unit i modified by putting four guns and two unguided rockets on and removing bombs,so my planes had a makeshift escort.
D.If we were intercepted,it would most likely be over Texas or Oklahoma because by then you would of realized where I was going,or atleast knew I had michevious intentions,and if we're Fighting over Texas,Texas can easily attack you seeing you as a threat,and if it is over Oklahoma,Texas could still see you as a threat and counterattack you.



E.Lets say to destroy most of our planes,we still could break formation or rapidly climb altitude,and because we have [sorry excuses for] Fighters at least one or two of your planes would get damaged or shot down,even if the crew survived.
F.Bombers typically have some form of defense on them,so even if my Special Operations Unit wasn't fitted with fighter guns,they still could fight back in a feeble attempt to repel the enemy.[/quote]

A. Firstly, this was never specified, and it seems clear this was done in order to avoid the now-known failure. Secondly, it is impossible, going around those nations means you would run out of fuel, and your in-air refuellers are now bombers.
B. The F-16 climbs at 50,000 feet/minute. The C-130's maximum altitude, while carrying, is 23,000 feet, even if you somehow double that, it is still 46,000, below the F-16's 50,000+
C. Understood, but this will not help at range.
D. If I grant the extreme range for some reason, this is acceptable.
E. Your fighters can only fight at visual range. As noted, the F-16s are engaging at forty kilometers.
F. Most modern bombers have no defenses whatsoever. After the Second World War, they became generally obsolete.


OK, I will make a scenario that benefits you greatly. Assuming that Kiser agrees, we will assume that he agreed to do an in-air refueling of your aircraft. We will then assume that they took the path over Texas. You seem to want them to go over Oklahoma, so they will do so. The fighters will thus engage there. Kiser will have the option to interfere, if he so wishes. You craft are still, however, unable to engage the F-16s at the range they are engaging at.
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Postby Prolieum » Fri Apr 15, 2016 12:24 pm

Federal States of Xathuecia wrote:Something is bothering me, please understand industry everyone!!!!! Only California, Washington State, the Midwest, New York, New England, and Pennsylvania as well as the corridor from Chicago to Louisiana have the capacity to mass produce things. So Texas has oil but it's car industry could not mass produce and not only that but how are you even convincing these companies to do so? Cause Ford & General Motors are not based there - and airplanes production is concentrated in New England, Michigan, Washington, and the East & West coasts (a few) so limit that 'mass production' - and this costs money, is the government paying for this with taxes? Are you raising taxes? Are you forcing companies? No bank in the US besides the federal reserve is prepared to sustain a war time economy (unless you sieze it all). So you either stop your 'mass production or your running yourself into some hefty debt. Sorry for the rant but something that has been bothering me.


As noted, Eberhardt lacks heavy industry, and is not forcing any companies, which is why he is focused on simple munitions, and a single project that the corporations are going to go at.

Great to have you here, Scalise. I will look at the app as soon as I can get the blasted computer working, keeps losing the internet for no reason, and I have to switch to the phone.
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Postby The Jaclean Empire » Fri Apr 15, 2016 12:26 pm

Prolieum wrote:
Federal States of Xathuecia wrote:Something is bothering me, please understand industry everyone!!!!! Only California, Washington State, the Midwest, New York, New England, and Pennsylvania as well as the corridor from Chicago to Louisiana have the capacity to mass produce things. So Texas has oil but it's car industry could not mass produce and not only that but how are you even convincing these companies to do so? Cause Ford & General Motors are not based there - and airplanes production is concentrated in New England, Michigan, Washington, and the East & West coasts (a few) so limit that 'mass production' - and this costs money, is the government paying for this with taxes? Are you raising taxes? Are you forcing companies? No bank in the US besides the federal reserve is prepared to sustain a war time economy (unless you sieze it all). So you either stop your 'mass production or your running yourself into some hefty debt. Sorry for the rant but something that has been bothering me.


As noted, Eberhardt lacks heavy industry, and is not forcing any companies, which is why he is focused on simple munitions, and a single project that the corporations are going to go at.

Great to have you here, Scalise. I will look at the app as soon as I can get the blasted computer working, keeps losing the internet for no reason, and I have to switch to the phone.

Glad to be here.
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Postby Chewion » Fri Apr 15, 2016 12:30 pm

Federal States of Xathuecia wrote:Something is bothering me, please understand industry everyone!!!!! Only California, Washington State, the Midwest, New York, New England, and Pennsylvania as well as the corridor from Chicago to Louisiana have the capacity to mass produce things. So Texas has oil but it's car industry could not mass produce and not only that but how are you even convincing these companies to do so? Cause Ford & General Motors are not based there - and airplanes production is concentrated in New England, Michigan, Washington, and the East & West coasts (a few) so limit that 'mass production' - and this costs money, is the government paying for this with taxes? Are you raising taxes? Are you forcing companies? No bank in the US besides the federal reserve is prepared to sustain a war time economy (unless you sieze it all). So you either stop your 'mass production or your running yourself into some hefty debt. Sorry for the rant but something that has been bothering me.

Started as in I am just starting to make them and as for the aircraft I have that one F-35 plant. I am forcing the companies to produce these things at a lower price.
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Postby Prolieum » Fri Apr 15, 2016 12:30 pm

The Jaclean empire wrote:NS Nation Name: The Jaclean Empire
Position Applying for (Major General of the Republic of New England, President of X country, etc. etc.): President Jack Scalise, of The Mississippi league.(Iowa, Missouri, and Minnesota.)
Flag of your nation (if new nation) (Image)
One paragraph history of your country (if new country): Founded in the midst of the secession, Missourians wanted to be like everyone else. Jack Scalise took control of the state and overran Iowa. Seizing it for Missouri. To avoid war Minnesota joined as well. Scalise took emergency powers for himself and built up the economy. Fearing rebellion from the former government Scalise made checks for his powers and instituted local governments in the old states. Scalise now rules with popular support. The Mississippi League now focuses on itself and is very isolationist. The government of the Scalise Administration is focused mainly on stabilizing its territory and increasing its citizens wealth and comforts. St. Louis is its capital and from the Presidential Manor at the Arch Grounds Jack Scalise serves as leader. The Territorial Legislature rules from the Capitol at The Arch Grounds. Militarily the Mississippi league focuses on mainly defensive measures. However they keep 3 powerful patrol fleets meant for primarily the Mississippi river, but also the great lakes and to a much lesser extent the ocean.
One paragraph history of your character: Jack was #8 of 9 children. His mother died giving birth to his sister Arabella. After that his father became drunk and abusive. He especially hated Arabella whom he blamed for his wife's death. Whenever his father would try to beat his sister Jack would try to defend her and take the beating away from his sister onto him. Jack eventually got his father to change and his father became a politician. Scalise joined the navy in 1963 and was stationed in West Germany. When Vietnam started Jack was stationed in Vietnam. His position as an officer made him commander of a river boat. He was seriously wounded when his river boat exploded during combat and was awarded for heroism and bravery in the field of combat. Jack followed suit after his father and became a career politician. He became a beloved politician in Missouri. Jack was a popular leader and liked by even members of other parties. He served several political positions, and was a popular presidential candidate. When the collapse happened he united three states under his rule.
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Gosh darn I hate this thing. Stole another computer, should be good for now.

OK, it looks good, but two things.

1. What, exactly, are these "patrol fleets?" I assume you are building them?
2. Would you be willing to give up Minnesota, or part of it, to Red State? He has been asking for it quite a bit in your absence. Not required, but you can.
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Postby Hillary Clinton 2016-2024 » Fri Apr 15, 2016 12:31 pm

Prolieum wrote:
Hillary Clinton 2016-2024 wrote:Okay.
My Planes were actually sent through the Atkantic Ocean,through the south,Texas,then to Wyoming,so you have less warning time,unless the countries I passed over warned you,which I doubt.
B.My planes were flying at very high altitude,almost to dangerous to fly at with them,I'm not saying this contributes to the battle,but it would take you more previous time to get to 20,000 ft,the only dropped when they got near their target,Francis E, Warren Air Force Base,Cheyenne,Wyoming
C.The Special Operations unit i modified by putting four guns and two unguided rockets on and removing bombs,so my planes had a makeshift escort.
D.If we were intercepted,it would most likely be over Texas or Oklahoma because by then you would of realized where I was going,or atleast knew I had michevious intentions,and if we're Fighting over Texas,Texas can easily attack you seeing you as a threat,and if it is over Oklahoma,Texas could still see you as a threat and counterattack you.



E.Lets say to destroy most of our planes,we still could break formation or rapidly climb altitude,and because we have [sorry excuses for] Fighters at least one or two of your planes would get damaged or shot down,even if the crew survived.
F.Bombers typically have some form of defense on them,so even if my Special Operations Unit wasn't fitted with fighter guns,they still could fight back in a feeble attempt to repel the enemy.


A. Firstly, this was never specified, and it seems clear this was done in order to avoid the now-known failure. Secondly, it is impossible, going around those nations means you would run out of fuel, and your in-air refuellers are now bombers.
B. The F-16 climbs at 50,000 feet/minute. The C-130's maximum altitude, while carrying, is 23,000 feet, even if you somehow double that, it is still 46,000, below the F-16's 50,000+
C. Understood, but this will not help at range.
D. If I grant the extreme range for some reason, this is acceptable.
E. Your fighters can only fight at visual range. As noted, the F-16s are engaging at forty kilometers.
F. Most modern bombers have no defenses whatsoever. After the Second World War, they became generally obsolete.


OK, I will make a scenario that benefits you greatly. Assuming that Kiser agrees, we will assume that he agreed to do an in-air refueling of your aircraft. We will then assume that they took the path over Texas. You seem to want them to go over Oklahoma, so they will do so. The fighters will thus engage there. Kiser will have the option to interfere, if he so wishes. You craft are still, however, unable to engage the F-16s at the range they are engaging at.[/quote]
I'm fine with failure,my entire Air Force destroyed despite several units not being involved seems unreasonable
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Postby Prolieum » Fri Apr 15, 2016 12:32 pm

Hillary Clinton 2016-2024 wrote:Is it okay if I build F-35's?if it it I need to recuperate from the Francis E. Warren mess.


If we can just go through with it, Eberhardt is actually going to write up a peace treaty immediately, rather than razing you to the ground, because he is a nice guy. If you want to just have the original course kept, to simplify things, he can send it over straightaway.
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Postby Prolieum » Fri Apr 15, 2016 12:32 pm

Hillary Clinton 2016-2024 wrote:
Prolieum wrote:

E.Lets say to destroy most of our planes,we still could break formation or rapidly climb altitude,and because we have [sorry excuses for] Fighters at least one or two of your planes would get damaged or shot down,even if the crew survived.
F.Bombers typically have some form of defense on them,so even if my Special Operations Unit wasn't fitted with fighter guns,they still could fight back in a feeble attempt to repel the enemy.


A. Firstly, this was never specified, and it seems clear this was done in order to avoid the now-known failure. Secondly, it is impossible, going around those nations means you would run out of fuel, and your in-air refuellers are now bombers.
B. The F-16 climbs at 50,000 feet/minute. The C-130's maximum altitude, while carrying, is 23,000 feet, even if you somehow double that, it is still 46,000, below the F-16's 50,000+
C. Understood, but this will not help at range.
D. If I grant the extreme range for some reason, this is acceptable.
E. Your fighters can only fight at visual range. As noted, the F-16s are engaging at forty kilometers.
F. Most modern bombers have no defenses whatsoever. After the Second World War, they became generally obsolete.


OK, I will make a scenario that benefits you greatly. Assuming that Kiser agrees, we will assume that he agreed to do an in-air refueling of your aircraft. We will then assume that they took the path over Texas. You seem to want them to go over Oklahoma, so they will do so. The fighters will thus engage there. Kiser will have the option to interfere, if he so wishes. You craft are still, however, unable to engage the F-16s at the range they are engaging at.

I'm fine with failure,my entire Air Force destroyed despite several units not being involved seems unreasonable


I do not understand. Only the units sent in the attack were destroyed. No one else was.

I will beam over that peace treaty, if you are willing to look at it?

Basically, you made a bad mistake, but I am strongly against screwing over a player because of one mistake-hence the immediate treaty rather than counterattack.
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Postby Hillary Clinton 2016-2024 » Fri Apr 15, 2016 12:37 pm

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Hillary Clinton 2016-2024 wrote:Is it okay if I build F-35's?if it it I need to recuperate from the Francis E. Warren mess.


If we can just go through with it, Eberhardt is actually going to write up a peace treaty immediately, rather than razing you to the ground, because he is a nice guy. If you want to just have the original course kept, to simplify things, he can send it over straightaway.

Ya,I'll give you war reparations.ill blame it on a dumbass Wing Commander or something,
The F-35's are meant for Alaska because he doesn't have any F-22's.i didn't feel like ruining the RP with the best planes tanks soldiers and all that,I actually like not having the best anything.
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Postby Prolieum » Fri Apr 15, 2016 12:39 pm

For the production numbers.

600 land-based transports is reasonable.
200 sea-based ones is pushing it, they would have to be small
100 F-35s by the end of the quarter is three times the production capability for such of the entire United States-not even taking into account that getting resources for them is going to be difficult, you are spending a lot elsewhere, and you need to complete revamp production facilities to make them in the first place.
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Postby Prolieum » Fri Apr 15, 2016 12:40 pm

Hillary Clinton 2016-2024 wrote:
Prolieum wrote:
If we can just go through with it, Eberhardt is actually going to write up a peace treaty immediately, rather than razing you to the ground, because he is a nice guy. If you want to just have the original course kept, to simplify things, he can send it over straightaway.

Ya,I'll give you war reparations.ill blame it on a dumbass Wing Commander or something,
The F-35's are meant for Alaska because he doesn't have any F-22's.i didn't feel like ruining the RP with the best planes tanks soldiers and all that,I actually like not having the best anything.


He does have F-22s. I will send you the treaty. I think it reasonable-it even has concessions.
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The Jaclean empire wrote:NS Nation Name: The Jaclean Empire
Position Applying for (Major General of the Republic of New England, President of X country, etc. etc.): President Jack Scalise, of The Mississippi league.(Iowa, Missouri, and Minnesota.)
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One paragraph history of your country (if new country): Founded in the midst of the secession, Missourians wanted to be like everyone else. Jack Scalise took control of the state and overran Iowa. Seizing it for Missouri. To avoid war Minnesota joined as well. Scalise took emergency powers for himself and built up the economy. Fearing rebellion from the former government Scalise made checks for his powers and instituted local governments in the old states. Scalise now rules with popular support. The Mississippi League now focuses on itself and is very isolationist. The government of the Scalise Administration is focused mainly on stabilizing its territory and increasing its citizens wealth and comforts. St. Louis is its capital and from the Presidential Manor at the Arch Grounds Jack Scalise serves as leader. The Territorial Legislature rules from the Capitol at The Arch Grounds. Militarily the Mississippi league focuses on mainly defensive measures. However they keep 3 powerful patrol fleets meant for primarily the Mississippi river, but also the great lakes and to a much lesser extent the ocean.
One paragraph history of your character: Jack was #8 of 9 children. His mother died giving birth to his sister Arabella. After that his father became drunk and abusive. He especially hated Arabella whom he blamed for his wife's death. Whenever his father would try to beat his sister Jack would try to defend her and take the beating away from his sister onto him. Jack eventually got his father to change and his father became a politician. Scalise joined the navy in 1963 and was stationed in West Germany. When Vietnam started Jack was stationed in Vietnam. His position as an officer made him commander of a river boat. He was seriously wounded when his river boat exploded during combat and was awarded for heroism and bravery in the field of combat. Jack followed suit after his father and became a career politician. He became a beloved politician in Missouri. Jack was a popular leader and liked by even members of other parties. He served several political positions, and was a popular presidential candidate. When the collapse happened he united three states under his rule.
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Gosh darn I hate this thing. Stole another computer, should be good for now.

OK, it looks good, but two things.

1. What, exactly, are these "patrol fleets?" I assume you are building them?
2. Would you be willing to give up Minnesota, or part of it, to Red State? He has been asking for it quite a bit in your absence. Not required, but you can.

Yeah I'm making them, either converting civilian vessels to patrol vessels purchasing patrol vessels or building them. I don't really wanna give up Minnesota, but if its gonna be a super big deal i'll give up a small part of it.
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Postby Hillary Clinton 2016-2024 » Fri Apr 15, 2016 12:47 pm

Prolieum wrote:For the production numbers.

600 land-based transports is reasonable.
200 sea-based ones is pushing it, they would have to be small
100 F-35s by the end of the quarter is three times the production capability for such of the entire United States-not even taking into account that getting resources for them is going to be difficult, you are spending a lot elsewhere, and you need to complete revamp production facilities to make them in the first place.

We built a new facility,I hinted at that
I'll change it to 20 F-35's.dont quote the post so I can edit it
The boats are kind of like fishing boats,smallish ones,with unusually thick walls and a few Machine guns.
If 20 F-35's is unreasonable still ill just use 5
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Postby Prolieum » Fri Apr 15, 2016 12:48 pm

The Jaclean empire wrote:
Prolieum wrote:
Gosh darn I hate this thing. Stole another computer, should be good for now.

OK, it looks good, but two things.

1. What, exactly, are these "patrol fleets?" I assume you are building them?
2. Would you be willing to give up Minnesota, or part of it, to Red State? He has been asking for it quite a bit in your absence. Not required, but you can.

Yeah I'm making them, either converting civilian vessels to patrol vessels purchasing patrol vessels or building them. I don't really wanna give up Minnesota, but if its gonna be a super big deal i'll give up a small part of it.


Understood. The vessels thing works. When you get a chance, you should meet up with Eberhardt, on his one-time only Red-eye World Leaders Tour!

For Minnesota-if Nudeau and Finelli do not get in tonight, you are fine. If they do-we will work on it. You will not have to give up the entire state, certainly.
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