The War Cry of Uncle Sam [OOC, Closed]

[The Manticoran Empire]

Also @Manticore, the Mexicans have no tanks, but they have decent U.S Supplied ATGM's.

Abrams are vulnerable to ATGM fire (see: Iraq 2003-2006)

Yes, I know that. The issue is that the Mexicans have no experience against tanks while US crews have experience against both tanks and ATGMs. It isn't a question of if the Mexicans have the capability. It is a question of could they use it. And that answer is, sadly for Mexico, most likely no.

[The Manticoran Empire]

Might I also point out that Garestaer somehow managed to fly 5 F-22s from Alaska to Philidelphia without being challenged either before OR after and that he has managed to institute a fascist dictatorship overnight with no real resistance?

Also, a couple other people have plenty of F-22s, despite fewer than 200 being built but me having more than 10 F-35s is absolutely impossible?

[Republic of Coldwater]

Also @Manticore, the Mexicans have no tanks, but they have decent U.S Supplied ATGM's.

Abrams are vulnerable to ATGM fire (see: Iraq 2003-2006)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FQiTY64Pw8
Oh YouTube autoplay, how do you surprise me.

[Hobbesistan]

Also @Manticore, the Mexicans have no tanks, but they have decent U.S Supplied ATGM's.

Abrams are vulnerable to ATGM fire (see: Iraq 2003-2006)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FQiTY64Pw8
Oh YouTube autoplay, how do you surprise me.

Congratulations. Welcome to the terror watch list.

[Republic of Coldwater]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FQiTY64Pw8
Oh YouTube autoplay, how do you surprise me.

Congratulations. Welcome to the terror watch list.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxzBQJQwFd0
If the FBI comes knocking at the door, don't blame me.

[Prolieum]

Hey Manticore you know that you would only have like 10 F-35's right? Also they would be very expensive to maintain and build.

And some how Garestaer gets ahold of 5 F-22s?

Alaska is our main airbase against Russia, you know. He has the 302nd Squadron.

The Reagan is likely going to you-but this requires discussion. The San Diego ships are going to stick with their homeports-Washington is still being decided.

Bump to whoever California is.

Bump=give to?

Hey Manticore you know that you would only have like 10 F-35's right? Also they would be very expensive to maintain and build.

He has the 461st testing squadron, which I am not certain of the strength of, but am fairly certain is not at full strength, and may only be a pair.

Might I also point out that Garestaer somehow managed to fly 5 F-22s from Alaska to Philidelphia without being challenged either before OR after and that he has managed to institute a fascist dictatorship overnight with no real resistance?

Also, a couple other people have plenty of F-22s, despite fewer than 200 being built but me having more than 10 F-35s is absolutely impossible?

Because F-22s are actually active and stationed in those states?

[Hobbesistan]

Bump=give to?

bump as in making sure he sees this

[Hobbesistan]

Congratulations. Welcome to the terror watch list.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxzBQJQwFd0
If the FBI comes knocking at the door, don't blame me.

I have my clearance levels. You're screwed though.

[Chewion]

Hey Manticore you know that you would only have like 10 F-35's right? Also they would be very expensive to maintain and build.

And some how Garestaer gets ahold of 5 F-22s?

F-22's are in Alaska.

[The Manticoran Empire]

And some how Garestaer gets ahold of 5 F-22s?

F-22's are in Alaska.

Yeah. I get that. But how does
A. He get them to join his murdertown government
B. Fly them to Pennsylvania without in-flight refueling
C. Fly them back to Alaska without In-flight refueling
D. Do both B and C without getting engaged by other fighter squadrons.

[Hobbesistan]

F-22's are in Alaska.

Yeah. I get that. But how does
A. He get them to join his murdertown government
B. Fly them to Pennsylvania without in-flight refueling
C. Fly them back to Alaska without In-flight refueling
D. Do both B and C without getting engaged by other fighter squadrons.

adding on to this:


Garestaer orders carpet-bombing airstrikes on the New American Republic, using four F-22s heading southeast.

this:

A) doesn't specify what he's bombing in a rather large area
B) Ignores everything Manticore just said
C) To get F-22's to carry cluster bombs like that, they probably have minimal or none offensive air-to-air capability
D) Even then, it's a F-22 not a bomber, the effect of the bombing is probably negligable at best

But all of that goes ontop of what Manticore just said that the F-22's wouldn't make it to pennslyvania to begin with.

[The Manticoran Empire]

Yeah. I get that. But how does
A. He get them to join his murdertown government
B. Fly them to Pennsylvania without in-flight refueling
C. Fly them back to Alaska without In-flight refueling
D. Do both B and C without getting engaged by other fighter squadrons.

adding on to this:


Garestaer orders carpet-bombing airstrikes on the New American Republic, using four F-22s heading southeast.

this:

A) doesn't specify what he's bombing in a rather large area
B) Ignores everything Manticore just said
C) To get F-22's to carry cluster bombs like that, they probably have minimal or none offensive air-to-air capability
D) Even then, it's a F-22 not a bomber, the effect of the bombing is probably negligable at best

But all of that goes ontop of what Manticore just said that the F-22's wouldn't make it to pennslyvania to begin with.

It could carry at most 8 GBU-39s. And those don't pack a lot of punch.

[Prolieum]

F-22's are in Alaska.

Yeah. I get that. But how does
A. He get them to join his murdertown government
B. Fly them to Pennsylvania without in-flight refueling
C. Fly them back to Alaska without In-flight refueling
D. Do both B and C without getting engaged by other fighter squadrons.

A. A few probably agree, most of the rest likely by force or a feeling of responsibility, some may not have known what happened, some would likely revolt.
B.+C. He has in-flight refueling capabilities
D. Stealth is always nice, and Canada most certainly does not want to get involved with this crazy guy-or anything-they are trying hard to be out of it.

Yeah. I get that. But how does
A. He get them to join his murdertown government
B. Fly them to Pennsylvania without in-flight refueling
C. Fly them back to Alaska without In-flight refueling
D. Do both B and C without getting engaged by other fighter squadrons.

adding on to this:


Garestaer orders carpet-bombing airstrikes on the New American Republic, using four F-22s heading southeast.

this:

A) doesn't specify what he's bombing in a rather large area
B) Ignores everything Manticore just said
C) To get F-22's to carry cluster bombs like that, they probably have minimal or none offensive air-to-air capability
D) Even then, it's a F-22 not a bomber, the effect of the bombing is probably negligable at best

But all of that goes ontop of what Manticore just said that the F-22's wouldn't make it to pennslyvania to begin with.

A. True. He is dropping thirty 250 pounders in random territory. Not particularly effective.
B. See above
C. It carries 2 AMRAAMS and 2 Sidewinders for air-to-ground.
D. Yes.

It is not a sound tactical plan, but it is a possible one.

[The Manticoran Empire]

Yeah. I get that. But how does
A. He get them to join his murdertown government
B. Fly them to Pennsylvania without in-flight refueling
C. Fly them back to Alaska without In-flight refueling
D. Do both B and C without getting engaged by other fighter squadrons.

A. A few probably agree, most of the rest likely by force or a feeling of responsibility, some may not have known what happened, some would likely revolt.
B.+C. He has in-flight refueling capabilities
D. Stealth is always nice, and Canada most certainly does not want to get involved with this crazy guy-or anything-they are trying hard to be out of it.

adding on to this:


Garestaer orders carpet-bombing airstrikes on the New American Republic, using four F-22s heading southeast.

this:

A) doesn't specify what he's bombing in a rather large area
B) Ignores everything Manticore just said
C) To get F-22's to carry cluster bombs like that, they probably have minimal or none offensive air-to-air capability
D) Even then, it's a F-22 not a bomber, the effect of the bombing is probably negligable at best

But all of that goes ontop of what Manticore just said that the F-22's wouldn't make it to pennslyvania to begin with.

A. True. He is dropping thirty 250 pounders in random territory. Not particularly effective.
B. See above
C. It carries 2 AMRAAMS and 2 Sidewinders for air-to-ground.
D. Yes.

It is not a sound tactical plan, but it is a possible one.

Stealth is nice, yes. Until you lose it by bombing something. Then you light up on radar, making you easier to find. He would also have to break stealth every 1,800 miles along the nearly 7,000 mile round trip, leaving him vulnerable to attack, since they would lack the fuel to fight. Very much a suicide mission.

[Prolieum]

A. A few probably agree, most of the rest likely by force or a feeling of responsibility, some may not have known what happened, some would likely revolt.
B.+C. He has in-flight refueling capabilities
D. Stealth is always nice, and Canada most certainly does not want to get involved with this crazy guy-or anything-they are trying hard to be out of it.






A. True. He is dropping thirty 250 pounders in random territory. Not particularly effective.
B. See above
C. It carries 2 AMRAAMS and 2 Sidewinders for air-to-ground.
D. Yes.

It is not a sound tactical plan, but it is a possible one.

Stealth is nice, yes. Until you lose it by bombing something. Then you light up on radar, making you easier to find. He would also have to break stealth every 1,800 miles along the nearly 7,000 mile round trip, leaving him vulnerable to attack, since they would lack the fuel to fight. Very much a suicide mission.

Who is going to attack them? Canada is not going to get involved at all, and Wells lacks fighters. Someone could go into Canada specifically to attack them, but why would they?


If there are no objections, I will go forward with the Wells-Eberhardt battle. Is the thread in agreement?

[The Manticoran Empire]

Stealth is nice, yes. Until you lose it by bombing something. Then you light up on radar, making you easier to find. He would also have to break stealth every 1,800 miles along the nearly 7,000 mile round trip, leaving him vulnerable to attack, since they would lack the fuel to fight. Very much a suicide mission.

Who is going to attack them? Canada is not going to get involved at all, and Wells lacks fighters. Someone could go into Canada specifically to attack them, but why would they?


If there are no objections, I will go forward with the Wells-Eberhardt battle. Is the thread in agreement?

How many people are really going to ignore Garestaer's attacks on Pennsylvania? I mean, being perfectly honest, who is really going to ignore that?

[Prolieum]

Who is going to attack them? Canada is not going to get involved at all, and Wells lacks fighters. Someone could go into Canada specifically to attack them, but why would they?


If there are no objections, I will go forward with the Wells-Eberhardt battle. Is the thread in agreement?

How many people are really going to ignore Garestaer's attacks on Pennsylvania? I mean, being perfectly honest, who is really going to ignore that?

They are not going to ignore the attack-but they are not going to suddenly scramble fighters to take them out and start a war with someone who is perfectly willing to use chemical weapons.

[Prolieum]

The Reagan is likely going to you-but this requires discussion. The San Diego ships are going to stick with their homeports-Washington is still being decided.

Bump to whoever California is.

California is Manticore.

[Chewion]

Who is going to attack them? Canada is not going to get involved at all, and Wells lacks fighters. Someone could go into Canada specifically to attack them, but why would they?


If there are no objections, I will go forward with the Wells-Eberhardt battle. Is the thread in agreement?

How many people are really going to ignore Garestaer's attacks on Pennsylvania? I mean, being perfectly honest, who is really going to ignore that?

I won't ignore it but I won't go to war with a guy on the other side of the continent when I am about to start fighting Mexico.

[The Manticoran Empire]

How many people are really going to ignore Garestaer's attacks on Pennsylvania? I mean, being perfectly honest, who is really going to ignore that?

I won't ignore it but I won't go to war with a guy on the other side of the continent when I am about to start fighting Mexico.

OK, after Mexico, we take out Garestaer?

[Chewion]

I won't ignore it but I won't go to war with a guy on the other side of the continent when I am about to start fighting Mexico.

OK, after Mexico, we take out Garestaer?

Sure. I got two globemasters from Ramstein and some other planes so I can transport my land forces into Alaska. Also I am going to be mass producing a lot of vehicles.

[The Manticoran Empire]

OK, after Mexico, we take out Garestaer?

Sure. I got two globemasters from Ramstein and some other planes so I can transport my land forces into Alaska. Also I am going to be mass producing a lot of vehicles.

Can you support my war against Mexico and possibly meet with Richard Allen IC?

[Prolieum]

Sure. I got two globemasters from Ramstein and some other planes so I can transport my land forces into Alaska. Also I am going to be mass producing a lot of vehicles.

Can you support my war against Mexico and possibly meet with Richard Allen IC?

You still need to meet with Eberhardt, brah. Ill timing on that declaration. Comments on Hobbes and the Reagan?

[Red Party]

Any states that I can claim?

[Prolieum]

Any states that I can claim?

I will telegram you as soon as there are. Nudeau said he is coming today, Scalise I noted.