The War Cry of Uncle Sam [OOC, Closed]

[Zelent]

Just letting you guys know, I plan on being more busy with school in the coming days and weeks, so I ask you to please consider Robert Stulls position open, but filled in that I will write posts, if absolutely necesary, but if someone who can actually devote time to it wants to, let them have it.

[Imperial Idaho]

I should have a post up tomorrow

[Hillary Clinton 2016-2024]

War it is, then.


A few comments on the fight.

First, thank you very much for being specific in what you were using. It helps a great deal.
Second, unfortunately, as noted, you still lack a fighter wing, unless there is another besides the 103rd that you have not noted. It was deactivated-the planes are gone-replacing them is the same as getting new ones.
Third, they are not going to get there, essentially. To get to Francis Warren, they need to pass over all of Nebraska, and right next to territory in Missouri, South Dakota, and Kansas. As noted earlier, AWACS is up and running, waiting for something from there, so there is early warning.

To scramble to meet the group-the 175th Squadron from Sioux Falls, the 120th from Buckley, and the 4th, 34th, 421st, and 466th from Hill. They would be intercepted well before they arrived.

Lastly, allowing them to make it there-the craft as far too slow to actually escape-none are even supersonic.

Sounds harsh, trying not to make it so, it is simply a plan that does not work.

The fight is going to be between six squadrons of F-16s, and the two airlift, one refueling, and one special operations squadron designed to be bombers.


For the math-the E-3 is above Kansas City, which is essentially directly on the path to Francis Warren, which makes this easier.

Its detection range is c. 400 miles. The C-130 has a maximum speed of 366 miles/hour-so it will take them a little over an hour to reach the border from detection range.

In times of heightened tension, scramble time is c. two minutes. Fifteen minutes is at low alert-and as made clear earlier, this is high alert

Hill Air Force Base, which has most of the squadrons, is, at most, c. 300 miles from Francis Warren, and, at most, 800 from the border.

F-16 cruising speed is 978 mph. To make it to Francis Warren, it would thus take under twenty minutes, and to the border, a hair under fifty. Even assuming the fifteen-minute scramble period, it makes it to the border before the oncoming craft.

The other two squadrons are closer.

As such, the engagement will occur over Scalise's territory. Now, of course, we need an outcome, but it is, for better or worse, clear.
One-sided battles are always uncomfortable, but I do not see any scenario in which any of the attacking craft survive, or even inflict casualties.

So you didn't lose a plane but I lost all mine?godmod.

[Hillary Clinton 2016-2024]

Scalise is coming, he has a wedding tomorrow, so he is going to get on late. I will see, once he arrives, if he will give up Minnesota-if not, Finelli and Nudeau are about to run out of time.

Good for scalise

[Hillary Clinton 2016-2024]

Possibly. At present all land is taken, but there are a few possibilities.

1. By tomorrow night, some people who made WIP apps hit their time-out deadline, and their territory opens up.
2. We need someone to roleplay as an already extant character, controlling a significant force, so that is a possibility.
3 You can sign on as someone's vice commander, or something of the sort, if you wish.

The map shows blank spots like Florida and Pennsylvania are those the people who might time out.

Florida,I think so,but Pennyslvania,no,but What's left of Iowa,Missouri an dMinnesota will time out today or tommorow of Scalise doesn't get on soon

[Prolieum]

War it is, then.


A few comments on the fight.

First, thank you very much for being specific in what you were using. It helps a great deal.
Second, unfortunately, as noted, you still lack a fighter wing, unless there is another besides the 103rd that you have not noted. It was deactivated-the planes are gone-replacing them is the same as getting new ones.
Third, they are not going to get there, essentially. To get to Francis Warren, they need to pass over all of Nebraska, and right next to territory in Missouri, South Dakota, and Kansas. As noted earlier, AWACS is up and running, waiting for something from there, so there is early warning.

To scramble to meet the group-the 175th Squadron from Sioux Falls, the 120th from Buckley, and the 4th, 34th, 421st, and 466th from Hill. They would be intercepted well before they arrived.

Lastly, allowing them to make it there-the craft as far too slow to actually escape-none are even supersonic.

Sounds harsh, trying not to make it so, it is simply a plan that does not work.

The fight is going to be between six squadrons of F-16s, and the two airlift, one refueling, and one special operations squadron designed to be bombers.


For the math-the E-3 is above Kansas City, which is essentially directly on the path to Francis Warren, which makes this easier.

Its detection range is c. 400 miles. The C-130 has a maximum speed of 366 miles/hour-so it will take them a little over an hour to reach the border from detection range.

In times of heightened tension, scramble time is c. two minutes. Fifteen minutes is at low alert-and as made clear earlier, this is high alert

Hill Air Force Base, which has most of the squadrons, is, at most, c. 300 miles from Francis Warren, and, at most, 800 from the border.

F-16 cruising speed is 978 mph. To make it to Francis Warren, it would thus take under twenty minutes, and to the border, a hair under fifty. Even assuming the fifteen-minute scramble period, it makes it to the border before the oncoming craft.

The other two squadrons are closer.

As such, the engagement will occur over Scalise's territory. Now, of course, we need an outcome, but it is, for better or worse, clear.
One-sided battles are always uncomfortable, but I do not see any scenario in which any of the attacking craft survive, or even inflict casualties.

So you didn't lose a plane but I lost all mine?godmod.

If you can explain how an alternate scenario is plausible, I would be happy to change it.

[Chewion]

So you didn't lose a plane but I lost all mine?godmod.

If you can explain how an alternate scenario is plausible, I would be happy to change it.

IF I sent my jets with the bombers then they could survive. I am not saying I am. I am just saying that that would work so someone needs to sweeten the deal for me to do that and also I want to meet your character in IC Prolieum.

[Prolieum]

If you can explain how an alternate scenario is plausible, I would be happy to change it.

IF I sent my jets with the bombers then they could survive. I am not saying I am. I am just saying that that would work so someone needs to sweeten the deal for me to do that and also I want to meet your character in IC Prolieum.

I agree that we should meet in character. If she launches another attack, you could do that, but this one was already launched, so they would not be able to. They could launch a simultaneous attack once they detected them-but they do not pass close enough to Texas to do so, so that is out. Feel free to talk to Wells and join in on any subsequent attacks though.

[The Manticoran Empire]

War it is, then.


A few comments on the fight.

First, thank you very much for being specific in what you were using. It helps a great deal.
Second, unfortunately, as noted, you still lack a fighter wing, unless there is another besides the 103rd that you have not noted. It was deactivated-the planes are gone-replacing them is the same as getting new ones.
Third, they are not going to get there, essentially. To get to Francis Warren, they need to pass over all of Nebraska, and right next to territory in Missouri, South Dakota, and Kansas. As noted earlier, AWACS is up and running, waiting for something from there, so there is early warning.

To scramble to meet the group-the 175th Squadron from Sioux Falls, the 120th from Buckley, and the 4th, 34th, 421st, and 466th from Hill. They would be intercepted well before they arrived.

Lastly, allowing them to make it there-the craft as far too slow to actually escape-none are even supersonic.

Sounds harsh, trying not to make it so, it is simply a plan that does not work.

The fight is going to be between six squadrons of F-16s, and the two airlift, one refueling, and one special operations squadron designed to be bombers.


For the math-the E-3 is above Kansas City, which is essentially directly on the path to Francis Warren, which makes this easier.

Its detection range is c. 400 miles. The C-130 has a maximum speed of 366 miles/hour-so it will take them a little over an hour to reach the border from detection range.

In times of heightened tension, scramble time is c. two minutes. Fifteen minutes is at low alert-and as made clear earlier, this is high alert

Hill Air Force Base, which has most of the squadrons, is, at most, c. 300 miles from Francis Warren, and, at most, 800 from the border.

F-16 cruising speed is 978 mph. To make it to Francis Warren, it would thus take under twenty minutes, and to the border, a hair under fifty. Even assuming the fifteen-minute scramble period, it makes it to the border before the oncoming craft.

The other two squadrons are closer.

As such, the engagement will occur over Scalise's territory. Now, of course, we need an outcome, but it is, for better or worse, clear.
One-sided battles are always uncomfortable, but I do not see any scenario in which any of the attacking craft survive, or even inflict casualties.

So you didn't lose a plane but I lost all mine?godmod.

Not really, actually. Fighter aircraft will always beat C-130s and other non-fighter aircraft. So, unless you have actual fighters to provide escort, yeah. All your planes die.

[Prolieum]

So you didn't lose a plane but I lost all mine?godmod.

Not really, actually. Fighter aircraft will always beat C-130s and other non-fighter aircraft. So, unless you have actual fighters to provide escort, yeah. All your planes die.

Probably should have some of the M1s lose tracks and the like. No actual kills is acceptable, though. The rest looks good.

You probably should respond to the Constitutionalist request to meet/ally, given that it also involves going after Mexico.

You may or may not want to officially declare war on them as well.

I somewhat doubt the Mexicans had a division there. It is OK, I suppose, might be better to downgrade it one.

[The Manticoran Empire]

Not really, actually. Fighter aircraft will always beat C-130s and other non-fighter aircraft. So, unless you have actual fighters to provide escort, yeah. All your planes die.

Probably should have some of the M1s lose tracks and the like. No actual kills is acceptable, though. The rest looks good.

You probably should respond to the Constitutionalist request to meet/ally, given that it also involves going after Mexico.

You may or may not want to officially declare war on them as well.

The reason for no real damage to the M1s is quite simple: the 120mm gun, with the ballistic fire control systems, has a longer range and can fire on the move. Something the 90mm gun of the ERC 90 lacks. While the ERC is faster, it has to stop in order to fire accurately, which makes it vulnerable to the M1's M256A1 120mm smoothbore cannon. The Abrams also has some Active Protection Systems and depleted uranium mesh reinforced armor. The Mexican Panhard ERC 90 is, in every way, outclassed. While it could, theoretically, disable an Abrams, in practice the Abrams crews are veterans while the Mexican crews have no combat experience.

I'll look into the Constitutionalists.

Mexico invaded California. There is the declaration of war.

EDIT: I should also mention that Mexico, IRL, only has 120 Panhard ERC 90s. So that was a little inaccurate when I said they had hundreds. Unless we want to assume that Mexico started building a bunch domestically in the last year or so.

[The Manticoran Empire]

Not really, actually. Fighter aircraft will always beat C-130s and other non-fighter aircraft. So, unless you have actual fighters to provide escort, yeah. All your planes die.

Probably should have some of the M1s lose tracks and the like. No actual kills is acceptable, though. The rest looks good.

You probably should respond to the Constitutionalist request to meet/ally, given that it also involves going after Mexico.

You may or may not want to officially declare war on them as well.

I somewhat doubt the Mexicans had a division there. It is OK, I suppose, might be better to downgrade it one.

My thinking was this: the Mexican Army would have to move through Cartel territory to reach the US, so how would they go through there and still have enough personnel to mount a halfway successful invasion? 6 or 7 of their 36 divisions get sent, one staying behind to deal with the cartels and keep supply lines open. The other six advancing through Arizona, California, and New Mexico.

And, though I didn't mention it, there would still be US Navy aircraft present during that battle providing CAS.

[Prolieum]

Probably should have some of the M1s lose tracks and the like. No actual kills is acceptable, though. The rest looks good.

You probably should respond to the Constitutionalist request to meet/ally, given that it also involves going after Mexico.

You may or may not want to officially declare war on them as well.

The reason for no real damage to the M1s is quite simple: the 120mm gun, with the ballistic fire control systems, has a longer range and can fire on the move. Something the 90mm gun of the ERC 90 lacks. While the ERC is faster, it has to stop in order to fire accurately, which makes it vulnerable to the M1's M256A1 120mm smoothbore cannon. The Abrams also has some Active Protection Systems and depleted uranium mesh reinforced armor. The Mexican Panhard ERC 90 is, in every way, outclassed. While it could, theoretically, disable an Abrams, in practice the Abrams crews are veterans while the Mexican crews have no combat experience.

I'll look into the Constitutionalists.

Mexico invaded California. There is the declaration of war.

EDIT: I should also mention that Mexico, IRL, only has 120 Panhard ERC 90s. So that was a little inaccurate when I said they had hundreds. Unless we want to assume that Mexico started building a bunch domestically in the last year or so.

I know about how lopsided it was-hence why I agreed with no casualties, but they are still capable of taking out treads, and other light damage bits.

Misunderstanding here. Mexico did not invade, those territories joined them voluntarily (yes, I know, it is dumb, I lost most of Arizona and New Mexico because of it, but there is nothing I can do.) As such, they will perhaps have some forces to hold it, but probably not a full division, and definitely not all their tanks in California.

[The Manticoran Empire]

The reason for no real damage to the M1s is quite simple: the 120mm gun, with the ballistic fire control systems, has a longer range and can fire on the move. Something the 90mm gun of the ERC 90 lacks. While the ERC is faster, it has to stop in order to fire accurately, which makes it vulnerable to the M1's M256A1 120mm smoothbore cannon. The Abrams also has some Active Protection Systems and depleted uranium mesh reinforced armor. The Mexican Panhard ERC 90 is, in every way, outclassed. While it could, theoretically, disable an Abrams, in practice the Abrams crews are veterans while the Mexican crews have no combat experience.

I'll look into the Constitutionalists.

Mexico invaded California. There is the declaration of war.

EDIT: I should also mention that Mexico, IRL, only has 120 Panhard ERC 90s. So that was a little inaccurate when I said they had hundreds. Unless we want to assume that Mexico started building a bunch domestically in the last year or so.

I know about how lopsided it was-hence why I agreed with no casualties, but they are still capable of taking out treads, and other light damage bits.

Misunderstanding here. Mexico did not invade, those territories joined them voluntarily (yes, I know, it is dumb, I lost most of Arizona and New Mexico because of it, but there is nothing I can do.) As such, they will perhaps have some forces to hold it, but probably not a full division, and definitely not all their tanks in California.

There is no logical reason for ANY part of the US to voluntarily join Mexico. Who came up with that idea?

In which event, they likely wouldn't have enough tanks to even get a shot off. A modern tank company in the US Army is 14 M1A2 Abrams tanks. A battalion has 4 companies, with 2 more Abrams tanks in the battalion headquarters. That is 58 tanks in one battalion. The 81st 185th Armored Regiment has two battalions, with 116 tanks total. Assuming the Mexicans deployed their tanks evenly between Mexico, Arizona, New Mexico, and California, that is 30 "tanks" in each of those areas. Even if the Mexicans had their tanks concentrated at San Diego (which could be possible), there would be enough Abrams tanks present to destroy all 30 Panhard ERC 90s before they even knew the Abrams were there. Which, considering the lack of combat experience the Mexican Army has, would result in panic among the Infantry troops. Leading to a similar result to what I described.

EDIT: It's the 185th in California. The 81st is in Georgia. Oops.

[Prolieum]

I know about how lopsided it was-hence why I agreed with no casualties, but they are still capable of taking out treads, and other light damage bits.

Misunderstanding here. Mexico did not invade, those territories joined them voluntarily (yes, I know, it is dumb, I lost most of Arizona and New Mexico because of it, but there is nothing I can do.) As such, they will perhaps have some forces to hold it, but probably not a full division, and definitely not all their tanks in California.

There is no logical reason for ANY part of the US to voluntarily join Mexico. Who came up with that idea?

Cross did. I suppose I could sort of see some of them panicking and seeking to go there, but it seems like that would manifest itself in them fleeing to the border rather than seceding. It is possible, if unlikely, that they would do so. In any case, as noted, it is already canonized, and we work with what we have.

In which event, they likely wouldn't have enough tanks to even get a shot off. A modern tank company in the US Army is 14 M1A2 Abrams tanks. A battalion has 4 companies, with 2 more Abrams tanks in the battalion headquarters. That is 58 tanks in one battalion. The 81st 185th Armored Regiment has two battalions, with 116 tanks total. Assuming the Mexicans deployed their tanks evenly between Mexico, Arizona, New Mexico, and California, that is 30 "tanks" in each of those areas. Even if the Mexicans had their tanks concentrated at San Diego (which could be possible), there would be enough Abrams tanks present to destroy all 30 Panhard ERC 90s before they even knew the Abrams were there. Which, considering the lack of combat experience the Mexican Army has, would result in panic among the Infantry troops. Leading to a similar result to what I described.

The issue being that you described the battle as lasting for several hours-if they survived that long, they could certainly cause some damage.

EDIT: It's the 185th in California. The 81st is in Georgia. Oops.

Also, apparently I have an armored regiment as well, which is nice, I thought I was fresh out.

[The Manticoran Empire]

There is no logical reason for ANY part of the US to voluntarily join Mexico. Who came up with that idea?

Cross did. I suppose I could sort of see some of them panicking and seeking to go there, but it seems like that would manifest itself in them fleeing to the border rather than seceding. It is possible, if unlikely, that they would do so. In any case, as noted, it is already canonized, and we work with what we have.

In which event, they likely wouldn't have enough tanks to even get a shot off. A modern tank company in the US Army is 14 M1A2 Abrams tanks. A battalion has 4 companies, with 2 more Abrams tanks in the battalion headquarters. That is 58 tanks in one battalion. The 81st 185th Armored Regiment has two battalions, with 116 tanks total. Assuming the Mexicans deployed their tanks evenly between Mexico, Arizona, New Mexico, and California, that is 30 "tanks" in each of those areas. Even if the Mexicans had their tanks concentrated at San Diego (which could be possible), there would be enough Abrams tanks present to destroy all 30 Panhard ERC 90s before they even knew the Abrams were there. Which, considering the lack of combat experience the Mexican Army has, would result in panic among the Infantry troops. Leading to a similar result to what I described.

The issue being that you described the battle as lasting for several hours-if they survived that long, they could certainly cause some damage.

I am assuming that the great majority of the Mexican AFVs (they really have no real tanks) are back home. The Panhard is only one of their models anyway-I believe they have a little over six hundred in total.

EDIT: It's the 185th in California. The 81st is in Georgia. Oops.

Also, apparently I have an armored regiment as well, which is nice, I thought I was fresh out.[/quote]

With the battle, that is also counting the need to mop up the infantry and other light vehicles. The first volley would destroy the ARVs, getting rid of the main threat and sowing panic through the infantry, which would then have to be run down and taken care of, covering several miles and several hours.

With relation to their other Armored Vehicles, I checked. The Panhard is, literally, the closest thing to a tank in the Mexican Army. All their other vehicles are trucks, Light Utility Vehicles, or Armored Personnel Carriers. The Panhard is quite literally their only tank.

[Prolieum]

Cross did. I suppose I could sort of see some of them panicking and seeking to go there, but it seems like that would manifest itself in them fleeing to the border rather than seceding. It is possible, if unlikely, that they would do so. In any case, as noted, it is already canonized, and we work with what we have.



The issue being that you described the battle as lasting for several hours-if they survived that long, they could certainly cause some damage.

I am assuming that the great majority of the Mexican AFVs (they really have no real tanks) are back home. The Panhard is only one of their models anyway-I believe they have a little over six hundred in total.

Also, apparently I have an armored regiment as well, which is nice, I thought I was fresh out.

With the battle, that is also counting the need to mop up the infantry and other light vehicles. The first volley would destroy the ARVs, getting rid of the main threat and sowing panic through the infantry, which would then have to be run down and taken care of, covering several miles and several hours.

Even with an early-kill strategy, beyond actually battlefield efficiency and accuracy being way lower than one tends to expect, they can see you coming, and prepare in some way that gives them a chance to get in closer, especially given their far greater maneuverability.

I am assuming that the great majority of the Mexican AFVs (they really have no real tanks) are back home. The Panhard is only one of their models anyway-I believe they have a little over six hundred in total.



The best thing to do, I think, is to change the numbers to just a handful for the Mexicans-a score or so, have maybe one or two tanks take track damage, the rest spotless, and the infantry pretty much just hightail it.

I think assuming that the first volley would take them out is really, really pushing it. Beyond the fact that they are extremely quick, accuracy is never really that high. I will see if I can dig up some numbers for the Abrams, but old manually-aimed Flak 88s had under 10% as good-the Abrams has more tech, but is shooting from farther, at faster-moving targets.

Standing still, training range, perhaps. In combat, moving target, probably not.

[The Manticoran Empire]

Even with an early-kill strategy, beyond actually battlefield efficiency and accuracy being way lower than one tends to expect, they can see you coming, and prepare in some way that gives them a chance to get in closer, especially given their far greater maneuverability.

I am assuming that the great majority of the Mexican AFVs (they really have no real tanks) are back home. The Panhard is only one of their models anyway-I believe they have a little over six hundred in total.



The best thing to do, I think, is to change the numbers to just a handful for the Mexicans-a score or so, have maybe one or two tanks take track damage, the rest spotless, and the infantry pretty much just hightail it.

I think assuming that the first volley would take them out is really, really pushing it. Beyond the fact that they are extremely quick, accuracy is never really that high. I will see if I can dig up some numbers for the Abrams, but old manually-aimed Flak 88s had under 10% as good-the Abrams has more tech, but is shooting from farther, at faster-moving targets.

Standing still, training range, perhaps. In combat, moving target, probably not.

One of the requirements for the Abrams was to maintain a first shot kill capability on the move from 2,000 meters and beyond. The Fire Control Computer updates the firing solution 30 times a second, taking into account barometric pressure, temperature, barrel drop at the muzzle, speed of the tank, speed of the target, range, and other factors providing the best possible chance of a hit. And, there are 116 guns firing at between 5 and 30 targets. Mathematically, the odds of ANY of those targets surviving are, for all intents and purposes, nonexistent. You are also assuming the Mexicans and/or the Abrams are moving. In all likelihood, the Mexicans are chilling. The Abrams would move into firing positions, fire, and then move to a new position. Even on the move, 73 Easting is enough proof that the M1 Abrams would mop the floor with the ERC 90.

73 Easting

There is also a show called Greatest Tank Battles that did a segment on 73 Easting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruyXYkh9-mM

[Prolieum]

Even with an early-kill strategy, beyond actually battlefield efficiency and accuracy being way lower than one tends to expect, they can see you coming, and prepare in some way that gives them a chance to get in closer, especially given their far greater maneuverability.

I am assuming that the great majority of the Mexican AFVs (they really have no real tanks) are back home. The Panhard is only one of their models anyway-I believe they have a little over six hundred in total.



The best thing to do, I think, is to change the numbers to just a handful for the Mexicans-a score or so, have maybe one or two tanks take track damage, the rest spotless, and the infantry pretty much just hightail it.

I think assuming that the first volley would take them out is really, really pushing it. Beyond the fact that they are extremely quick, accuracy is never really that high. I will see if I can dig up some numbers for the Abrams, but old manually-aimed Flak 88s had under 10% as good-the Abrams has more tech, but is shooting from farther, at faster-moving targets.

Standing still, training range, perhaps. In combat, moving target, probably not.

One of the requirements for the Abrams was to maintain a first shot kill capability on the move from 2,000 meters and beyond. The Fire Control Computer updates the firing solution 30 times a second, taking into account barometric pressure, temperature, barrel drop at the muzzle, speed of the tank, speed of the target, range, and other factors providing the best possible chance of a hit. And, there are 116 guns firing at between 5 and 30 targets. Mathematically, the odds of ANY of those targets surviving are, for all intents and purposes, nonexistent. You are also assuming the Mexicans and/or the Abrams are moving. In all likelihood, the Mexicans are chilling. The Abrams would move into firing positions, fire, and then move to a new position. Even on the move, 73 Easting is enough proof that the M1 Abrams would mop the floor with the ERC 90.

73 Easting

While I think that having the Mexicans not have noticed the hundred+ tanks coming at them, and simply be sitting there is absurd-I see no reason why they would not either be moving, or doing what happened at 73 Easting, set up an ambush at 1500 meters or less-just to move this along, say 5-10 craft, all one-shot killed, and we can call it a day, and hopefully get to some kind of negotiation.

(For whatever it is worth, the 185th is one battalion, so halve the tanks).

[Hobbesistan]

also, since California is taking the Reagan, we'll be fine with anything else 3F or 7F, i.e, Nimitz, Carl Vinson, John C. Stennis, ect.

The Reagan is likely going to you-but this requires discussion. The San Diego ships are going to stick with their homeports-Washington is still being decided.

Bump to whoever California is.

[Chewion]

Not really, actually. Fighter aircraft will always beat C-130s and other non-fighter aircraft. So, unless you have actual fighters to provide escort, yeah. All your planes die.

Probably should have some of the M1s lose tracks and the like. No actual kills is acceptable, though. The rest looks good.

You probably should respond to the Constitutionalist request to meet/ally, given that it also involves going after Mexico.

You may or may not want to officially declare war on them as well.

I somewhat doubt the Mexicans had a division there. It is OK, I suppose, might be better to downgrade it one.

I will join in on the war against Mexico.

[Hobbesistan]

Also @Manticore, the Mexicans have no tanks, but they have decent U.S Supplied ATGM's.

Abrams are vulnerable to ATGM fire (see: Iraq 2003-2006)

[Chewion]

Hey Manticore you know that you would only have like 10 F-35's right? Also they would be very expensive to maintain and build.

[The Manticoran Empire]

One of the requirements for the Abrams was to maintain a first shot kill capability on the move from 2,000 meters and beyond. The Fire Control Computer updates the firing solution 30 times a second, taking into account barometric pressure, temperature, barrel drop at the muzzle, speed of the tank, speed of the target, range, and other factors providing the best possible chance of a hit. And, there are 116 guns firing at between 5 and 30 targets. Mathematically, the odds of ANY of those targets surviving are, for all intents and purposes, nonexistent. You are also assuming the Mexicans and/or the Abrams are moving. In all likelihood, the Mexicans are chilling. The Abrams would move into firing positions, fire, and then move to a new position. Even on the move, 73 Easting is enough proof that the M1 Abrams would mop the floor with the ERC 90.

73 Easting

While I think that having the Mexicans not have noticed the hundred+ tanks coming at them, and simply be sitting there is absurd-I see no reason why they would not either be moving, or doing what happened at 73 Easting, set up an ambush at 1500 meters or less-just to move this along, say 5-10 craft, all one-shot killed, and we can call it a day, and hopefully get to some kind of negotiation.

(For whatever it is worth, the 185th is one battalion, so halve the tanks).

It is two battalions. 1 in California and 1 on loan to Washington. Recall the second battalion and I have it back to full strength. The Iraqis had T-72 tanks. The Mexicans have no tanks. Abrams tanks train against moving and stationary targets.`So, really, even if the Mexicans tried an ambush, the result is the same: Mexican force destroyed.

[The Manticoran Empire]

Hey Manticore you know that you would only have like 10 F-35's right? Also they would be very expensive to maintain and build.

And some how Garestaer gets ahold of 5 F-22s?