Lavell, a Fantasy Medieval Kingdom (OOC) (Open)

[Cresadine]

Just as a historical note, large nations typically won't become republics for another seven-hundred years. In a country like Lavell it would be virtually non-existent as common people weren't educated or aware enough to want a Republic - and under a Republic the whole noble system would be dismantled - so basically every would lose their job. Just some food for thought.

Not really, look at Rome, Greece they were the first republic and democracy

Greece was tiny city-states, not large nations, and Rome was hardly a democracy, as Rome got larger it become less and less democratic and more and more a monarchy, until it became a de jure monarchy instead of de facto.

[Anglo Saxon-Franko]

Not really, look at Rome, Greece they were the first republic and democracy

Greece was tiny city-states, not large nations, and Rome was hardly a democracy, as soon as Rome got large it become less and less democratic and more and more a monarchy, until it became a de jure monarchy instead of de facto.

True, but that does not mean that it wasn't a republic, and that doesn't mean Greece wasn't a democracy, frankly with out the federal government the States would be pretty much the same as the Greek States.

[The Praetorian Empire]

Just as a historical note, large nations typically won't become republics for another seven-hundred years. In a country like Lavell it would be virtually non-existent as common people weren't educated or aware enough to want a Republic - and under a Republic the whole noble system would be dismantled - so basically every would lose their job. Just some food for thought.

Not really, look at Rome, Greece they were the first republic and democracy

They were founded as democracies though. Convincing a feudal lords to give up their power for an equal democracy will just end in another civil war.

[Cresadine]

Greece was tiny city-states, not large nations, and Rome was hardly a democracy, as soon as Rome got large it become less and less democratic and more and more a monarchy, until it became a de jure monarchy instead of de facto.

True, but that does not mean that it wasn't a republic, and that doesn't mean Greece wasn't a democracy, frankly with out the federal government the States would be pretty much the same as the Greek States.

No not really. Greece was not all democracies, a large portion were oligarchies (Sparta), autocracies and monarchies.

Yes it does, it called itself a republic but it was not a republic, it was controlled by the patricians, Rome's version of the nobles. Increasingly it became less and less about democracy and eventually became more and more about the generals.

[Anglo Saxon-Franko]

Not really, look at Rome, Greece they were the first republic and democracy

They were founded as democracies though. Convincing a feudal lords to give up their power for an equal democracy will just end in another civil war.

If we keep the monarchy, then I'm going to turn the Division into an order that will ensure we don't have another tyrant King on the throne. And by that I mean if the king is widely disliked then they will remove him. So it's like they guard the throne lol

[Cresadine]

They were founded as democracies though. Convincing a feudal lords to give up their power for an equal democracy will just end in another civil war.

If we keep the monarchy, then I'm going to turn the Division into an order that will ensure we don't have another tyrant King on the throne. And by that I mean if the king is widely disliked then they will remove him. So it's like they guard the throne lol

I doubt any King would keep you around if you tried to do that.

[Anglo Saxon-Franko]

True, but that does not mean that it wasn't a republic, and that doesn't mean Greece wasn't a democracy, frankly with out the federal government the States would be pretty much the same as the Greek States.

No not really. Greece was not all democracies, a large portion were oligarchies (Sparta), autocracies and monarchies.

Yes it does, it called itself a republic but it was not a republic, it was controlled by the patricians, Rome's version of the nobles. Increasingly it became less and less about democracy and eventually became more and more about the generals.

True, but it wasn't like they said law and it turned into it. They had the senate

[Albertae]

Yeah, we will certainly need his retinue of 750 correct? That will add to our currently. 2000 soldiers and 30 king's guard. That'll bring the total up to 2750 which is still short of their current 3000 and adding since they are recruiting soldiers through the religion, so we have a long road ahead of us. Luckily, we have Ethor! He will bring atleast 2000 soldiers into the army since that's really what he will be doing in the war, supplying soldiers.

2,000 soldiers sound like a little too much, more like 1,500. And since he is in Obbunium (the King's realm) where there would be loyalists and even less soldiers.

It's 2000 among 3 lord of the realms, and 3 vassals. I'm pretty sure that 2000 is fair considering that it's not even raised levies and these are soldiers from the last war.

[Cresadine]

No not really. Greece was not all democracies, a large portion were oligarchies (Sparta), autocracies and monarchies.

Yes it does, it called itself a republic but it was not a republic, it was controlled by the patricians, Rome's version of the nobles. Increasingly it became less and less about democracy and eventually became more and more about the generals.

True, but it wasn't like they said law and it turned into it. They had the senate

The Senate eventually just became a rubberstamp institution, approving the actions of whomever was strongest.

[Albertae]

True, but that does not mean that it wasn't a republic, and that doesn't mean Greece wasn't a democracy, frankly with out the federal government the States would be pretty much the same as the Greek States.

No not really. Greece was not all democracies, a large portion were oligarchies (Sparta), autocracies and monarchies.

Yes it does, it called itself a republic but it was not a republic, it was controlled by the patricians, Rome's version of the nobles. Increasingly it became less and less about democracy and eventually became more and more about the generals.

Actually, The U.S government and the Greek states government are two different things. Yes, there were city-states that had a form of democracy. However, the U.S is a Federal Democracy. Meaning it is run by representatives voted in by the people which are under two leaderships the Federal and State governments the Federal government having the last and final word that goes.

[Anglo Saxon-Franko]

True, but it wasn't like they said law and it turned into it. They had the senate

The Senate eventually just became a rubberstamp institution, approving the actions of whomever was strongest.

True, but the Roman Republic and Roman Empire are two separate time periods. Plus Rome in its early days is classified as a republic

[Cresadine]

The Senate eventually just became a rubberstamp institution, approving the actions of whomever was strongest.

True, but the Roman Republic and Roman Empire are two separate time periods. Plus Rome in its early days is classified as a republic

The same is true for the Roman Republic, albeit later on its history.

Even in the early Roman Republic it was run by the nobility.

It doesn't matter though, there is no way the Division, composed of thirty members will be able to institute a Republic, especially in a place where there is no tradition of one existing.

[Anglo Saxon-Franko]

No not really. Greece was not all democracies, a large portion were oligarchies (Sparta), autocracies and monarchies.

Yes it does, it called itself a republic but it was not a republic, it was controlled by the patricians, Rome's version of the nobles. Increasingly it became less and less about democracy and eventually became more and more about the generals.

Actually, The U.S government and the Greek states government are two different things. Yes, there were city-states that had a form of democracy. However, the U.S is a Federal Democracy. Meaning it is run by representatives voted in by the people which are under two leaderships the Federal and State governments the Federal government having the last and final word that goes.

I said without the US federal government

[Anglo Saxon-Franko]

True, but the Roman Republic and Roman Empire are two separate time periods. Plus Rome in its early days is classified as a republic

The same is true for the Roman Republic, albeit later on its history.

Even in the early Roman Republic it was run by the nobility.

It doesn't matter though, there is no way the Division, composed of thirty members will be able to institute a Republic, especially in a place where there is no tradition of one existing.

The Division is 30 steong in the guard that's not all the members. The Division in total is around 800-900 strong

[Albertae]

The Senate eventually just became a rubberstamp institution, approving the actions of whomever was strongest.

True, but the Roman Republic and Roman Empire are two separate time periods. Plus Rome in its early days is classified as a republic

Correct. The Roman Republic was originally a small three city republic confined by two countries on each side of it. The Roman a Republic later takes over the Ercusas or something Confederation giving it control the upper part of Italy.

[Cresadine]

The same is true for the Roman Republic, albeit later on its history.

Even in the early Roman Republic it was run by the nobility.

It doesn't matter though, there is no way the Division, composed of thirty members will be able to institute a Republic, especially in a place where there is no tradition of one existing.

The Division is 30 steong in the guard that's not all the members

Nonetheless, that thirty member Guards situation will change soon when Geoffrey has his meet with the King.

[Anglo Saxon-Franko]

The Division is 30 steong in the guard that's not all the members

Nonetheless, that thirty member Guards situation will change soon when Geoffrey has his meet with the King.

Whys thst

[Cresadine]

Nonetheless, that thirty member Guards situation will change soon when Geoffrey has his meet with the King.

Whys thst

Geoffrey will cite the numerous times they have let peasants escape (those specific three that kept escaping), and replace him with someone more competent.

[Gerdon Laughis]

Well tomorrow IC time I am going to assemble the lords and have the debate over what to do after the rebellion is won, and I am going to propose abolishing the monarchy.

[Albertae]

Whys thst

Geoffrey will cite the numerous times they have let peasants escape (those specific three that kept escaping), and replace him with someone more competent.

Guys, let's calm down Saxon I know how your character will help even if he's replaced. Don't worry, it's going to be interesting.

[Anglo Saxon-Franko]

Whys thst

Geoffrey will cite the numerous times they have let peasants escape (those specific three that kept escaping), and replace him with someone more competent.

And yet in an earlier post I sent a note to the king stated I had found the person who was letting them out so unless you can counter that plus Saxon's family's history of service to the king then by all means

[Cresadine]

Well tomorrow IC time I am going to assemble the lords and have the debate over what to do after the rebellion is one, and I am going to propose abolishing the monarchy.

Interesting. Read the previous posts were we debate the merits of a republic in Lavell.

Geoffrey will cite the numerous times they have let peasants escape (those specific three that kept escaping), and replace him with someone more competent.

And yet in an earlier post I sent a note to the king stated I had found the person who was letting them out so unless you can counter that plus Saxon's family's history of service to the king then by all means

Nonetheless it will be interesting.

[Anglo Saxon-Franko]

Well tomorrow IC time I am going to assemble the lords and have the debate over what to do after the rebellion is one, and I am going to propose abolishing the monarchy.

Interesting. Read the previous posts were we debate the merits of a republic in Lavell.

And yet in an earlier post I sent a note to the king stated I had found the person who was letting them out so unless you can counter that plus Saxon's family's history of service to the king then by all means

Nonetheless it will be interesting.

Plus lol how long do you think you can hide Geoffrey's secrtets from the Inquisition?

[Cresadine]

Interesting. Read the previous posts were we debate the merits of a republic in Lavell.


Nonetheless it will be interesting.

Plus lol how long do you think you can hide Geoffrey's secrtets from the Inquisition?

I don't plan to, Baldwin will be arresting him soon.

[Gerdon Laughis]

Well tomorrow IC time I am going to assemble the lords and have the debate over what to do after the rebellion is one, and I am going to propose abolishing the monarchy.

Interesting. Read the previous posts were we debate the merits of a republic in Lavell.

And yet in an earlier post I sent a note to the king stated I had found the person who was letting them out so unless you can counter that plus Saxon's family's history of service to the king then by all means

Nonetheless it will be interesting.

Will do!