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Federal States of Xathuecia
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Postby Federal States of Xathuecia » Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:38 pm

Sanabel wrote:Anyone have any ideas on what I could do with Morocco?

Dominate the trade in Gibralter, become a fairly powerful nation securing West Africa/East Africa or at least some ports - Become a gateway for other nations such as Sicily or Austria for the Asian trade - Compete with the Ottomans and gain yourself some European allies in the process.
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Grothmogia
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Postby Grothmogia » Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:39 pm

Sanabel wrote:Anyone have any ideas on what I could do with Morocco?

Conquer Africa? Become the world's conference room? Invade Spain?

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Postby Gadrana-Eshil » Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:42 pm

Federal States of Xathuecia wrote:
Sanabel wrote:Anyone have any ideas on what I could do with Morocco?

Dominate the trade in Gibralter, become a fairly powerful nation securing West Africa/East Africa or at least some ports - Become a gateway for other nations such as Sicily or Austria for the Asian trade - Compete with the Ottomans and gain yourself some European allies in the process.


Ally the Portuguese, and the British, and suffocate the trade of all of your enemies :P

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Postby Federal States of Xathuecia » Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:43 pm

BTW, here are my leaders as I think there was some confusion:

Nation Name: (Officially) The Electorate of Brunswick-Lüneburg || (Often Called) The Electorate of Hanover || (Simply) Hanover
Head of State: Prince Ernest Augustus II
Head of Government: Prince Ernest Augustus II though his uncle, Christian Louis, aids in day to day matters
Head of Diplomacy: Fredrick IV of Welf (a close noble to the Prince)
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Segmentia
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Postby Segmentia » Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:43 pm

Federal States of Xathuecia wrote:
Sanabel wrote:Anyone have any ideas on what I could do with Morocco?

Dominate the trade in Gibralter, become a fairly powerful nation securing West Africa/East Africa or at least some ports - Become a gateway for other nations such as Sicily or Austria for the Asian trade - Compete with the Ottomans and gain yourself some European allies in the process.


I already own both sides of Gibraltar :p
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Postby Gadrana-Eshil » Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:44 pm

Grothmogia wrote:
Cabana wrote:I don't recall anyone saying Saxony was open, I've still been working on the app for it.
Democratic peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:Spain is still there', and if you really want to play a German state Saxony would be much better as it has a far larger army, and population.


This was the person who said Saxony was open. If the OP says I can't have this, then so be it. I will come up with something else.


Someone already claimed them, man. You can't write them, I think.

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Postby Gadrana-Eshil » Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:44 pm

Segmentia wrote:
Federal States of Xathuecia wrote:Dominate the trade in Gibralter, become a fairly powerful nation securing West Africa/East Africa or at least some ports - Become a gateway for other nations such as Sicily or Austria for the Asian trade - Compete with the Ottomans and gain yourself some European allies in the process.


I already own both sides of Gibraltar :p


^_^ *Hugs my British friend.* Senpaaaaai. HAIL THE QUEEN :D

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Sanabel
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Postby Sanabel » Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:49 pm

I have an idea.

What if I expand the effective military modernization program Morocco carried out in the early 1800s, to include industrial and economic modernization with the support of [insert European country here], which lead to...some stuff.
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Postby Grothmogia » Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:53 pm

Sanabel wrote:I have an idea.

What if I expand the effective military modernization program Morocco carried out in the early 1800s, to include industrial and economic modernization with the support of [insert European country here], which lead to...some stuff.


That sounds like a great plan!

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Postby Sanabel » Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:55 pm

The only countries that would've done this would be Britain, the Netherlands, or Portugal even, realistically, to defy France/Spain.

Segmentia, how did Britain get Northern Morocco?
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Postby Gadrana-Eshil » Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:59 pm

Sanabel wrote:I have an idea.

What if I expand the effective military modernization program Morocco carried out in the early 1800s, to include industrial and economic modernization with the support of [insert European country here], which lead to...some stuff.


Portugal will help ^_^ We're doing some enhancements across the board.

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Postby Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi » Fri Apr 08, 2016 4:00 pm

Portugal vs China, doth my eyes deceive me?

"The worst form of inequality is to make unequal things equal."
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"Even the striving for equality by means of a directed economy can result only in an officially enforced inequality - an authoritarian determination of the status of each individual in the new hierarchical order. "-Friedrich August von Hayek
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Postby Gadrana-Eshil » Fri Apr 08, 2016 4:01 pm

Democratic peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:Portugal vs China, doth my eyes deceive me?


Yes... :|

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Postby Segmentia » Fri Apr 08, 2016 4:01 pm

Sanabel wrote:The only countries that would've done this would be Britain, the Netherlands, or Portugal even, realistically, to defy France/Spain.

Segmentia, how did Britain get Northern Morocco?


Trade dispute that turned into a war.
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Postby Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi » Fri Apr 08, 2016 4:02 pm

Gadrana-Eshil wrote:
Democratic peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:Portugal vs China, doth my eyes deceive me?


Yes... :|

Yeah no, you are going to lose and going to lose big.

"The worst form of inequality is to make unequal things equal."
-Aristotle
"Even the striving for equality by means of a directed economy can result only in an officially enforced inequality - an authoritarian determination of the status of each individual in the new hierarchical order. "-Friedrich August von Hayek
Political Compass
Economic:3.88
Social:1.40

Tory Blue to the Core(Leans Democrat in the US though)
What have we done...

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Postby Sanabel » Fri Apr 08, 2016 4:02 pm

Segmentia wrote:
Sanabel wrote:The only countries that would've done this would be Britain, the Netherlands, or Portugal even, realistically, to defy France/Spain.

Segmentia, how did Britain get Northern Morocco?


Trade dispute that turned into a war.

Well...the one nation that realistically would've ever helped Morocco westernize is out of the question.
The interregnum is over- I am once again the OP of the Land of the Free RP


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Postby Segmentia » Fri Apr 08, 2016 4:03 pm

Sanabel wrote:
Segmentia wrote:
Trade dispute that turned into a war.

Well...the one nation that realistically would've ever helped Morocco westernize is out of the question.


I don't mind changing it to what we discussed in TGs
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Postby Sanabel » Fri Apr 08, 2016 4:05 pm

Segmentia wrote:
Sanabel wrote:Well...the one nation that realistically would've ever helped Morocco westernize is out of the question.


I don't mind changing it to what we discussed in TGs

So, what do you think the history for such a plan should be?
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Postby Gadrana-Eshil » Fri Apr 08, 2016 4:08 pm

This will be what my military looks like after a couple of years of growth/building ^_^

NS Name: Gadrana-Eshil
Nation Name: Portugal; The Kingdom of Portugal & The Algarves
Head of State: Ferdinand the II of Portugal | Maria II of Portugal
Head of Government: Ferdinand the II of Portugal | Maria II of Portugal | President of the Council of Ministers & the Duke of Palmala Pedro de Sousa Holstein
Head of Diplomacy: Ferdinand the II of Portugal | Maria II of Portugal
Territory (Vicky II Map type Preferred) Territory for expansions in Africa, and general + Territory for Islands, and Indian Territories

Flag: Flag
Demonym: Portuguese
Capital: Lisbon
Currency: Real, and the Gold Real
State/Primary Religion: Roman Catholicism

Government Form: Semi-Constitutional Dual Monarchy
Ideology: Colonialism
Foreign Policy: The nation sees the world how it is, but sees their economy as something important to the world, and, thus, engages in trade with even former enemies. It sees many of the issues of the world as something that will simply pass on, while it wants to forge important relations with Spain, the and other European nations. It is currently allies with the French, Italy, and the US, and is neutral with the UK, and somewhat hostile with Spain.
Domestic Policy: The nation needs to focus on internal development, becoming more self-sustaining on the mainland, improving education, quelling Brazilian nationalism (which is WAY below what it would have been with the Napoleonic wars), expanding in India, expanding more in Africa, acquiring more territory in South America, becoming friendlier to all humans, improving their education facilities, creating education facilities, and more
Civil Freedoms /10: 4/10
Political Freedoms /10: 3/10
Economic Freedoms /10: 7/10

Military Size: 407,600 Professional Soldiers/Officers, 600,000 Semi-Professional Defense Force Soldiers + Ordenanças (basically Portuguese police)
-Army: 197,100 Soldiers of Portugal, 55,000 Soldiers of the Algarves, 600,000 Semi-Professional Defense Force Soldiers + Ordenanças (basically Portuguese police)
-Navy: 145,500 Officers, 80+ ships-of-the-line, countless support ships, and many sloops-of-war + 1 182-Gun First-Rate Ship-of-the-Line, 3 Second-Rate Ships-of-the-Line, and 6 Third-Rate Ships-of-the-Line made out of ironwood, reinforced with steel (not ironclad, just reinforced with steel), and armed with artillery, and mortars + 120 armed merchant ships
-Elite Forces: 15,000 Elite Soldiers

Military Description: The military has weapons on par with the rest of the developed nations of Europe, and is separated into three separate branches: The Portuguese Army, the Portuguese Navy, and the Portuguese Foreign Legion.
Strengths and Weaknesses: The military is slightly below average on the ground, advanced in naval combat, and somewhat average in tactics. It is also currently undergoing large amounts of training, and preparation, to weed out the weak, and improve quality across the board.

Short Description of Your Nation's Economy: The Portuguese economy is one of the powerhouse economies of Europe. It has the purchasing power of multiple empires, an endless flow of gems, gold, and other equally precious resources into its coffers, and has gone under enough economic reforms that poverty has been cut by 43%.
Short Description of Your Nation's Government: The monarchs hold the power over security, and foreign affairs, while the ministers control the majority government, though the monarchs are able to use their constitutional right to have a choice of government, and change many of the aspects of the constitution, as they see fit, leaving much of the power in the hands of the monarchs. The government issued a free, and fair trial to everyone, and is led primarily by the Council of Ministers.
Short History of the last 40 years: The Empire of Portugal has had several major things happen within its time to develop without the massive threat of an invasion by Napoleonic France looming over the horizon every single day, in and out. They’ve expanded their significant holdings in Mozambique, and Angola, underwent massive political reforms with the creation of a constitution that the monarchy continues to respect, and has focused internally on improving the quality of life. Dozens of public schools were created, the company focused on the development of a reserve of over half a dozen different resources, and the first welfare system was created (it’s about time for that, in Europe ^_^), with taxes rising to support free university. The Portuguese have gone from a huge amount of hostility with the Spaniards, to hostility being only somewhat prevalent. Meanwhile, the Crown of Portugal hopes to expand its continental holdings by welcoming the counts, and nobles of the Spanish into their court, thus going behind the backs of the Spanish, but it is also possible they will simply go another route (with some members of the nobility not above a unified Iberian peninsula).
Population of entire empire: 12,120,329 (with 4,829,619 in Continental Portugal)
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Postby Gadrana-Eshil » Fri Apr 08, 2016 4:10 pm

Democratic peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:
Gadrana-Eshil wrote:
Yes... :|

Yeah no, you are going to lose and going to lose big.


Nah. They have numbers, but they have primitive technology ^_^ I could easily take this one province with 8,000 men :P

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Postby Gadrana-Eshil » Fri Apr 08, 2016 4:11 pm

Plus, it's not stable, or centralized, or modernized :P That means it could be sieged, at least a little.

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Postby Sanabel » Fri Apr 08, 2016 4:12 pm

Gadrana-Eshil wrote:
Democratic peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:Yeah no, you are going to lose and going to lose big.


Nah. They have numbers, but they have primitive technology ^_^ I could easily take this one province with 8,000 men :P

I don't know...numbers were pretty important in 1800s warfare. Especially considering how their tech isn't that "primitive".
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If you don't have a high enough IQ to know what those are, then we can't be friends.

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Postby Gadrana-Eshil » Fri Apr 08, 2016 4:12 pm

Sanabel wrote:
Gadrana-Eshil wrote:
Nah. They have numbers, but they have primitive technology ^_^ I could easily take this one province with 8,000 men :P

I don't know...numbers were pretty important in 1800s warfare. Especially considering how their tech isn't that "primitive".


Still, this is probably their least defended province. 8,000 men can hold it :P Besides. If I don't conquer it, the British will, and I want a bit of a bigger colony x3

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Postby Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi » Fri Apr 08, 2016 4:19 pm

Guangdong I believe is mostly flat, and the Chinese can easily just human wave you.

"The worst form of inequality is to make unequal things equal."
-Aristotle
"Even the striving for equality by means of a directed economy can result only in an officially enforced inequality - an authoritarian determination of the status of each individual in the new hierarchical order. "-Friedrich August von Hayek
Political Compass
Economic:3.88
Social:1.40

Tory Blue to the Core(Leans Democrat in the US though)
What have we done...

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Postby Sanabel » Fri Apr 08, 2016 4:23 pm

Gadana, how are you transporting troops to Saudi Arabia if it doesn't exist?
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