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Postby Prolieum » Wed Mar 30, 2016 3:16 pm

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Eh, I think it is fine. Also, now that Tor and Emilgotha left, I am placed in the awkward position of roleplaying the surprise arrival of Imperial reinforcements by myself.

.........

I didn't know Imperial reinforcements came.


They are going to show up in like thirty seconds. Definitely go after Jurius though, that both makes sense and is exciting. We are left to see whether Leneer tries to kill Baras, or if the reinforcements kill everyone, or if we get peace... Pretty fun stuff.
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Postby Zeinbrad » Wed Mar 30, 2016 5:08 pm

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Zeinbrad wrote:.........

I didn't know Imperial reinforcements came.


They are going to show up in like thirty seconds. Definitely go after Jurius though, that both makes sense and is exciting. We are left to see whether Leneer tries to kill Baras, or if the reinforcements kill everyone, or if we get peace... Pretty fun stuff.

I get the vibe from Baras that he's just done and wants to go home and eat up so he can look like he does in SWTOR>
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Hey Asg, mind if Joeda goes berserker on your characters?
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Postby Asgeirria » Wed Mar 30, 2016 5:26 pm

Zeinbrad wrote:Hey Asg, mind if Joeda goes berserker on your characters?


You're RPing Xalandra, right? Thought she would have been the one to come after Cade lmao. Yeah, go for it. It's a free RP. :)
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Postby Zeinbrad » Wed Mar 30, 2016 5:28 pm

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Zeinbrad wrote:Hey Asg, mind if Joeda goes berserker on your characters?


You're RPing Xalandra, right? Thought she would have been the one to come after Cade lmao. Yeah, go for it. It's a free RP. :)

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Postby Asgeirria » Wed Mar 30, 2016 5:37 pm

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You're RPing Xalandra, right? Thought she would have been the one to come after Cade lmao. Yeah, go for it. It's a free RP. :)

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Postby Zeinbrad » Wed Mar 30, 2016 6:15 pm

By the way, I forgot to say this but the troopers following Joeda, at least Laso, are trained on how fight Jedi. Being Joeda honor guard and all.

Joeda doesn't have any real apprentices.
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Postby Asgeirria » Wed Mar 30, 2016 6:44 pm

Zeinbrad wrote:By the way, I forgot to say this but the troopers following Joeda, at least Laso, are trained on how fight Jedi. Being Joeda honor guard and all.

Joeda doesn't have any real apprentices.


Oy! Surry dug.
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Postby Zeinbrad » Wed Mar 30, 2016 6:48 pm

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Zeinbrad wrote:By the way, I forgot to say this but the troopers following Joeda, at least Laso, are trained on how fight Jedi. Being Joeda honor guard and all.

Joeda doesn't have any real apprentices.


Oy! Surry dug.

....Did you just take control of my character to kill him?
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Postby Asgeirria » Wed Mar 30, 2016 7:00 pm

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Oy! Surry dug.

....Did you just take control of my character to kill him?


No, I distracted him for just under three seconds to kill him.

There's a difference. :eyebrow: :roll:
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Postby Zeinbrad » Wed Mar 30, 2016 7:03 pm

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Zeinbrad wrote:....Did you just take control of my character to kill him?


No, I distracted him for just under three seconds to kill him.

There's a difference. :eyebrow: :roll:

You can't do that.
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Postby Prolieum » Wed Mar 30, 2016 7:04 pm

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No, I distracted him for just under three seconds to kill him.

There's a difference. :eyebrow: :roll:

You can't do that.


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I am thoroughly confused as to what happened here, but I am pretty sure someone did something wrong.
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Postby Prolieum » Wed Mar 30, 2016 7:07 pm

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Zeinbrad wrote:....Did you just take control of my character to kill him?


No, I distracted him for just under three seconds to kill him.

There's a difference. :eyebrow: :roll:


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Yeah, no. That is like the second rule of godmodding-no insta-killing enemy characters, especially not ones comparable or more powerful than you. I will look more closely, and issue a decision.
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Postby Prolieum » Wed Mar 30, 2016 7:15 pm

OK, review is in, definitely in the wrong on Cythraul's side. I am enforcing a second-chance doctrine, so all you get right now is a strong warning.

The basic rule is this-when you do something that impacts someone else, you need to let them respond.

This is not an absolute rule, but, in general, and almost one hundred percent of the time when you are attacking someone, you need to let them respond.

In this case, it should have been cut off well before the killing. With your charging into him, you should have written that Cythraul launched the attack, and describe it, then let him decide how to respond. Having it hit him was a little iffy, but not too bad, having it then stun him for three seconds was definitely bad, and then launching an attack after the stun, and killing him, is a full-on no-no.

Now, this power can be abused-the "defender" the one responding to the action, is the one who, more or less, determines what happens. They can, of course, effortlessly dodge or block every attack, in which case the godmodding rule falls on them-you call Kyraina or I to take care of it.

Now, as I noted, this is just a warning, I believe in second chances, especially if you did not know before you did it, but you always have to give someone a chance to respond. If you have some certain something or other that you think they cannot respond to, telegram me, and I will work it out. Otherwise, give them the chance.
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Postby Asgeirria » Wed Mar 30, 2016 7:18 pm

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No, I distracted him for just under three seconds to kill him.

There's a difference. :eyebrow: :roll:


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Yeah, no. That is like the second rule of godmodding-no insta-killing enemy characters, especially not ones comparable or more powerful than you. I will look more closely, and issue a decision.


I'm definitely in favor of retconning that last bit, since it was rather boring, but I would like to say in my defense that

A) My saber CAN do that
B) It is a canon move
C) He DID jump up there with three capable Jedi and completely ignored the two of them. Regardless of how good a swordsman he is, that's basically signing a death warrant.

But again, I did it for the lulz, I acknowledged in my IC post that it was a cheap shot, and I will accept the retcon.
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Postby Prolieum » Wed Mar 30, 2016 7:21 pm

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Cythraul's heat vision and force sense picked up on the Sith just as he leapt into view. As three of the five officers fell to his blade, he leapt in action. Cade dropped what he was doing, force leapt towards the squad, blasting them back with a force push, raising his guard.


This is acceptable.

Jadakk slammed into the Sith's right flank, distracting him for just under three seconds, before Cythraul ended him simply by flicking on the three-meter long dual-phase blade.


The problem is here. Suggested acceptable revision (reword it as you wish)

"Jadakk leapt forward towards the Sith's right flank..."

then you can put in descriptors, either fluff "lightsaber held high" "with determination", or practical "faking high, then cutting low, to take out his legs."

To many this surprise attack would be considered a low blow, but no mercy had been shown to the padawans in the temple, and the huge lizard had seen the Sith's cruelty first-hand. The blade had gone straight through his neck bones, and out his throat. Jadakk stepped back as the corpse crumpled to the ground.


Continuation of the problem, here, this is out.

The other Jedi leapt to Cade with a flap of his wings and a force jump. His two sabers spun in a smooth pattern, deflecting blasterfire back at the assailants.


This is fine, but as it is post-godmod, it can no longer fit.







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Cade dashed back, and the two CSF survivors followed suit. Under the weight, the lift only barely managed to get off the platform before it plummeted slowly downwards.
Cythraul took a flying leap backwards, launching himself off and after the group below, and they made good their escape from the temple.


You can probably get away with this dialogue while in-combat, or starting while he leaps in, or you can save it for a later post.


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Go ahead and make these revisions, and you both can continue.
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Postby Prolieum » Wed Mar 30, 2016 7:24 pm

Asgeirria wrote: *snip*

I'm definitely in favor of retconning that last bit, since it was rather boring, but I would like to say in my defense that

A) My saber CAN do that


Yes, it can, I know what a dual-phase saber is. I also know that one can evade such an attack-see Corran Horn. More importantly, that which led to the strike, the ramming attack, itself would not inherently be successful.

B) It is a canon move


The move is not the problem at all-your describing its effect is. Go dual-phase as much as you like.

C) He DID jump up there with three capable Jedi and completely ignored the two of them. Regardless of how good a swordsman he is, that's basically signing a death warrant.


He is certainly in a dangerous situation, one that it will be difficult to fight out of, but being in a difficult situation=/= getting instantly killed with no chance to respond.

But again, I did it for the lulz, I acknowledged in my IC post that it was a cheap shot, and I will accept the retcon.


For future reference, jokes like that should be in the OOC. Comments for the retcon are above, but you can rewrite the post if you wish.
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Postby Prolieum » Wed Mar 30, 2016 7:30 pm

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Postby Zeinbrad » Wed Mar 30, 2016 7:37 pm

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Yeah, no. That is like the second rule of godmodding-no insta-killing enemy characters, especially not ones comparable or more powerful than you. I will look more closely, and issue a decision.


I'm definitely in favor of retconning that last bit, since it was rather boring, but I would like to say in my defense that

A) My saber CAN do that
B) It is a canon move
C) He DID jump up there with three capable Jedi and completely ignored the two of them. Regardless of how good a swordsman he is, that's basically signing a death warrant.

But again, I did it for the lulz, I acknowledged in my IC post that it was a cheap shot, and I will accept the retcon.

Word of advise-Don't do that, 'joke' posts are rarely worth it.

And frankly, I thinks it been proven in-canon that one skilled swordsman can take on multiple opponents.

And he isn't alone, he has is well-trained honor guard that are trained on how to fight Jedi and Sith, who are basically going dakka dakka on your position. He's just the only dedicated Melee fighter.
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Postby Asgeirria » Wed Mar 30, 2016 7:43 pm

Zeinbrad wrote:
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I'm definitely in favor of retconning that last bit, since it was rather boring, but I would like to say in my defense that

A) My saber CAN do that
B) It is a canon move
C) He DID jump up there with three capable Jedi and completely ignored the two of them. Regardless of how good a swordsman he is, that's basically signing a death warrant.

But again, I did it for the lulz, I acknowledged in my IC post that it was a cheap shot, and I will accept the retcon.

Word of advise-Don't do that, 'joke' posts are rarely worth it.

And frankly, I thinks it been proven in-canon that one skilled swordsman can take on multiple opponents.

And he isn't alone, he has is well-trained honor guard that are trained on how to fight Jedi and Sith, who are basically going dakka dakka on your position. He's just the only dedicated Melee fighter.


That's all fine and good but would they really shoot at/in the direction of their master? There's a reason why Grievous led from the center. So you can fight, lead, and allow your forces to function.
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Postby Prolieum » Wed Mar 30, 2016 7:48 pm

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That's all fine and good but would they really shoot at/in the direction of their master? There's a reason why Grievous led from the center. So you can fight, lead, and allow your forces to function.


For what it is worth, it is a bit dangerous, but these are hardly B1s, they actually know how to aim. High-risk, high-reward fighting. Maybe not the best option, but not a straight-up dumb one either.
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Postby Asgeirria » Wed Mar 30, 2016 7:51 pm

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That's all fine and good but would they really shoot at/in the direction of their master? There's a reason why Grievous led from the center. So you can fight, lead, and allow your forces to function.


For what it is worth, it is a bit dangerous, but these are hardly B1s, they actually know how to aim. High-risk, high-reward fighting. Maybe not the best option, but not a straight-up dumb one either.


True, and the odds are in their favor. Even with all the wriggling and hopping, it's twice as likely that they'll hit a Jedi. But they are being distracted by another Jedi and one guy with a blaster and a big pair of balls (or just a whole lotta stupid)
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