A Tale of Today (OOC/Open/AH)

[Sanabel]

Accepted.

Thank you. I'll get to work on my first post straight away.

I dont think you're on it.

Feel free to put yourself on it if you were accepted.

Alright. He accepted me as seen above. So, should I just download the map, or wait and ask?

Download and add yourself if you'd like

Is there anyway I could get some territory in Africa, or is that over already?

You could.

[Yasuragi]

Only two proposals for the Frankfurt Conference as of yet? I am disappointed that others haven't floated their own ideas...

Even though the conference thread isn't up, we can still present maps and whatnot.

[Caltarania]

Only two proposals for the Frankfurt Conference as of yet? I am disappointed that others haven't floated their own ideas...

Even though the conference thread isn't up, we can still present maps and whatnot.

fine

here's the turkish suggestion

[Liecthenbourg]

Only two proposals for the Frankfurt Conference as of yet? I am disappointed that others haven't floated their own ideas...

Even though the conference thread isn't up, we can still present maps and whatnot.

fine

here's the turkish suggestion

Brazil likes this, but substitute Turkey for Italy

[The New Greek Republic]

Reservation
Nation/territory you wish to reserve: Persia/Iran
How active will you be?: I have a spotty record as of late, but I'll do my best and if I can't be active for an extended amount of time I will let it be known.
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[United Soviet Jason Republic]

Only two proposals for the Frankfurt Conference as of yet? I am disappointed that others haven't floated their own ideas...

Even though the conference thread isn't up, we can still present maps and whatnot.

fine

here's the turkish suggestion

The Scottish actually control the coast of the Congo right now. So if you want me to back that, you are going to have to scratch Denmark, or give them something somewhere else. After all, something is rotten in Denmark.

[Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi]

Time to start the Texas oil boom!

[Pimps Inc]

You come nowhere near the actual US potential, lacking the Southwest, the South, and apparently have a Socialist government.
Brazil by himself would be enough to keep you at bay. A unified Chile and Argentina means that instead of two Latin American rivals attempting to outperform each other, they posses the same natural resources, population, etc. And we will probably not have to do anything other than carry out our own gunboat diplomacy due to the fractured factions in North America. Your neighbors would probably be enough to block you, with you barely having access to the Carribbean and contesting for the Pacific Coast. Alaska has probably stopped being profitable until technology advances further and you have a pretty strong Russian republic next to it.

But historically the biggest Latin American rivals have been Argentina and brazil. With all of your newfound power, I dont see why you'd align with brazil.

You also still wouldn't come near the US in industrial capacity. You'd be reliant on natural resource harvesting and agriculture.

Argentina, Brazil, and Chile.
However, ever since the Cisplatine war, relations between Argentina and Brazil mostly warmed. Even the South American Naval Arms Race was mostly friendly, as Argentina and Brazil perceived each other as rivals, not as enemies. Our natural resources would be enough to let us borrow European industry to buy our own armament, though Brazil is increasingly modernizing and industrializing, and Patagonia trails it.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Sorry I was away yesterday.

Anything pressing for Denmark? I cannot imagine so.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

fine

here's the turkish suggestion

The Scottish actually control the coast of the Congo right now. So if you want me to back that, you are going to have to scratch Denmark, or give them something somewhere else. After all, something is rotten in Denmark.

I mean there really is nothing rotten in this Denmark since you know the monarchy is gone RIP.

I would be careful with the Shakespearean references, my dear Scottish friend. There are a few witches that may wish to speak with your leaders.

[Grothmogia]

Thank you. I'll get to work on my first post straight away.



Alright. He accepted me as seen above. So, should I just download the map, or wait and ask?

Download and add yourself if you'd like

Is there anyway I could get some territory in Africa, or is that over already?

You could.

Ok.

[Grothmogia]

This is the map that has my nation on it. http://i.imgur.com/SpUwf8g.png

[Pimps Inc]

Application
General Info
NS name: Pimps Inc
Nation Formal name: Federal Confederacy of United Republics of Patagonia
Nation Informal name:
Rio de la Plata
Argentina
Chile
Population:13,340,000
Colonial Population:3,000,000(Mostly concentrated in the largely undeveloped Sri Lanka)
Capital city: Buenos Aires (de America)

Government Info
Head(s) of State: President Juan Bautista Ortiz de Rosas
Head(s) of Government:See Above
Government type: Constitutional Federal Republic
Explanation of Government: A strong executive branch with a weaker legislative assembly.
Ideology: Panamericanism, Liberalism, Republicanism, Laissez-faire,

Military Info
Amount of Active Army:80,000
Amount of Reserve Army:200,000(Conscription can increase this number)
Amount of Active Navy:
25,000 Sailors and Marines
-6 pre-dreadnought battleships(Ministry of Navy debating;4 new pre-dreadnoughts or wait advancement of naval technology)
-24 Protected Cruisers
-40 Light Cruisers
-19 Unprotected Cruisers
-40 torpedo boats
-35 destroyers
-50 river monitors
-5 Toro-class submarines with a new class in development
-30 Auxiliary Ships

Amount of Reserve Navy:7,000
Description of quality of equipment, training etc.:
Since the previous rule of caudillo Juan Manuel de Rosas, Patagonia and the Brazilian Empire have been in a arms race. Many historians set the beginning of the arms race with the synchronized firing of the entire Brazilian Pará-class monitor fleet in a live fire drill near the Falklands in the Summer of 1886. The subsequent media attention, coupled with the expected public outcry, led the Patagonian military officials to turn their attention to the state of their battle-hardened but largely ignored navy that had emerged victorious in the War of the Pacific against Peru and Bolivia. (In fact, the strength of the Patagonian Navy following the conclusion of the War of the Pacific can best be described in a U.S. publication in August 1885, right after the 1885 Panama crisis, "[The Esmeralda] could destroy our whole navy, ship by ship and never be touched once.")

The Patagonian government's first move was the order of a modern ironclad battleship, Capitán Prat, two protected cruisers, and two torpedo boats from France and the United Kingdom. Bought with a £3,129,500 appropriation in the 1887 budget, the ships would have upset the balance of naval power in Latin America-while the Brazilians had more vessels, the Patagonian had larger warships with more battle experienced crewmen. This purchase was made worse, from the Brazilian perspective, by a large order for European rifles, field guns, sabers, and carbines, enough to arm an 80,000-strong army. The purchases were funded largely through export-related windfall, through Peruvian precious minerals, nitrates, grain, and cattle, and selling of older warships such as the previously mentioned Esmeralda.

In the past decade of this cold war, both navies have gone to great strides to gain the military edge over the other, see-sawing the upper hand multiple times, not just in terms of naval might, but all aspects of warfare. Currently the Brazilians hold the crown on naval quantity while Patagonia on quality, though this is debatable and varies depending on the scholar.

The regular Patagonian Army is well equipped, with 80,000 soldiers, being the jewel of the nation after being unable to catch up to the Brazilian Imperial Navy. The regular infantry is armed with the modern British Martini Henry, of which Patagonia has a stock of some 100,000, though this is being phased out by the newer Lee Enfield, which delivery of 40,00 is expected to be reached by 1900 and 80,000 by 1905. The Enfield being able to beat any rifle the Brazilians may aquire due to their severed/bitter relations with England. Patagonia also has surplus, Gewher 1888, Mauser M1871 and Mosin-Nagant which mostly fire the same caliber cartridge, the Mauser being replaced by the Lee. The artillery has three-thousand and two hundred artillery pieces, most of which are of Krupp and QF manufacture, and hundreds of Maxim machine guns. The cavalry use French sabers and domestically manufactured carbines.

Other info
Alliances/treaties: Unspoken alliance with Brazil(though talks are expected to happen soon)
Seeking to reestablish relations with Bolivia
Seeking good relations with most of Latin America, especially the far north Mexico and Cuba
Land Claims: Chile, Argentina, Most of Peru(except for the region of Loreto), Falklands, Antarctica close to Patagonia, Bolivia (except for the regions Beni and Pando)
Vassals/Dominions/Puppets:
Sri Lanka as vassal state
Current Goals: Win or end the ongoing arms race against Brazil, establish healthy(ier) relations with Brazil, Germany, Mexico, Cuba, and Japan. Maintains a Monroe-type doctrine
History of your nation:

The May Revolution ousted the viceroy. Other forms of government, such as a constitutional monarchy or a Regency were briefly considered, but republicanism was always the favorite. The viceroyalty was also renamed, and it nominally became the United Provinces of the Río de la Plata. However, the status of the different territories that had belonged to the viceroyalty changed many times during the course of the war, as some regions would remain loyal to their previous governors and others were captured or recaptured; later these would split into several countries.

The defeat of the Spanish was followed by a long civil war between unitarians and federalists, about the organization of the country and the role of Buenos Aires in it. Unitarians thought that Buenos Aires should lead the less-developed provinces, as the head of a strong centralized government. Federalists thought instead that the country should be a federation of autonomous provinces, like the successful states of the United States. During this period the United Provinces of the Rio de la Plata lacked a head of state, since the unitarian defeat at the Battle of Cepeda had ended the authority of the Supreme Directors and the 1819 Constitution. There was a new attempt in 1826 to write a constitution, leading to the designation of Bernardino Rivadavia as President of Argentina, but it was rejected by the provinces. Rivadavia resigned due to the poor management at the Cisplatine War, and the 1826 constitution was repealed.

During this time, the Governors of Buenos Aires Province received the power to manage the international relations of the confederation, including war and debt payment. The dominant figure of this period was the federalist Juan Manuel de Rosas, who is portrayed from different angles by the diverse historiographic flows in Patagonia: liberal history usually considers him a dictator, while revisionists support him on the grounds of his defense of national sovereignty.

He ruled the province of Buenos Aires from 1829 to 1852, facing military threats from secession attempts, neighboring countries, and even European nations. Although Rosas was a Federalist, he kept the customs receipts of Buenos Aires under the exclusive control of the city, whereas the other provinces expected to have a part of the revenue. Rosas considered this a fair measure because only Buenos Aires was paying the external debt generated by the Baring Brothers loan to Rivadavia, the war of independence and the war against Brazil. He developed a paramilitary force of his own, the Popular Restorer Society, commonly known as "Mazorca" ("Corncob").

Rosas' reluctance to call for a new assembly to write a constitution led General Juan Bautista Ortiz de Rosas, his own son, from Entre Ríos to turn against him. Ortiz de Rosas defeated Rosas during the battle of Caseros and called for such an assembly. The Patagonian Constitution of 1855 is, with amendments, still in force to this day. The Constitution was not immediately accepted by Buenos Aires and Santiago, which seceded from the Confederation; they rejoined a few years later. In 1862, Bartolomé Mitre became the first president of the unified country.

The presidency of Mitre saw an economic improvement in Patagonia, with agricultural modernization, foreign investment, new railroads and ports and a wave of immigration from Europe. Mitre also stabilized the political system by commanding federal interventions that defeated the personal armies of caudillos Chacho Peñaloza and Juan Sáa. Patagonia joined Uruguay and Brazil against Paraguay in the War of the Triple Alliance, which ended during Sarmiento's rule with the defeat of Paraguay and the annexation of part of its territory by Argentina. Despite victory in the war, Mitre's popularity declined severely because a broad section of the Patagonian population was opposed to the war due to the alliance with Brazil (Argentina's historic rival) that took place during the war, and the betrayal of Paraguay (which had been until then one of the country's most important economic allies). One of the major hallmarks of Mitre's presidency was the "Law of Compromise", in which Buenos Aires joined the Patagonian Federation and allowed the government to use the City of Buenos Aires as the center of government, but without federalizing the city and by reserving the right of the province of Buenos Aires to secede from the nation if conflict arose.

In 1868 Mitre was succeeded by Domingo Faustino Sarmiento, who promoted public education, culture and telegraphs; as well as the modernization of the Army and the Navy. Sarmiento managed to defeat the last known caudillos and also dealt with the fallout of the Triple Alliance War, which included a decrease in national production due to the death of thousands of soldiers and an outbreak of diseases, such as cholera and yellow fever, brought by returning soldiers.

In 1874 Nicolás Avellaneda became president and ran into trouble when he had to deal with the economic depression left by the Panic of 1873. Most of these economic issues were solved when new land was opened for development after the expansion of national territory through the exploitation of the Patagonian desert, led by his war minister Julio Argentino Roca.

Toward the end of the 19th century, the government in Buenos Aires consolidated its power. As a result of the War of the Pacific with Peru and Bolivia, Patagonia expanded its territory northward by almost two-third and acquired valuable nitrate, gold, and silver deposits, the exploitation of which led to an era of national affluence.

The country's economy benefited from a change from extensive farming to industrial agriculture and a huge European immigration, but there wasn't yet a strong move towards industrialization. At that time, Patagonia received some of the highest levels of foreign investment in Latin America. In the midst of this economic expansion, the Law 1420 of Common Education of 1884 guaranteed universal, free, non-religious education to all children. This and other government policies were strongly opposed by the Roman Catholic Church in Argentina, causing the Holy See to break off diplomatic relations with the country for several years and setting the stage for decades of continued Church–state strain.

Political authority ran from local electoral bosses in the provinces through the congressional and executive branches, which reciprocated with payoffs from taxes on nitrate sales. Congressmen often won election by bribing voters in this clientelistic and corrupt system. Many politicians relied on intimidated or loyal peasant voters in the countryside, even though the population was becoming increasingly urban. The lackluster presidents and ineffectual administrations of the period did little to respond to the country's dependence on volatile nitrate exports, spiraling inflation, and massive urbanization.

The election of the son of caudillo Juan Manuel de Rosas, Juan Bautista Ortiz de Rosas, led to the complete change of the political scene. Or at least of the behind the scenes. His power as commander-in-chief allowed him to establish a military tribunal against corruption in the governments and led to a more effectively democratic system. President de Rosas had four main accomplishments: implementation of constitution, stabilization of government finances, defeat of provincial challenges to central authority, and victory over oligarchic organizations in the government. During the presidencies of Rosas and his three terms, Patagonia modernized through the construction of ports, railroads, and telegraph lines. These innovations facilitated the export-import trade as well as domestic commerce. However, modernization was not enough to meet the trade demands of Europe and North America that Patagonia attempted to satisfy. Industrialization and domestic law were the forefront of de Rosas' administration. The rubber boom gained enough capital to achieve this, though Brazil's Amazon near monopoly on the global market minimized potential. The occupation of Ceylon by a small squadron of ironclads(with the naval arms race not yet begun), led to the creation of the Kingdom of Ceylon puppet state. By the time the naval arms race begun, defense spending had replaced industrialization as a priority and Ceylon had been set on the road to the establishment of a strong agricultural industry in the island. Unlike the previous rulers, the Patagonians embarked on a plantation programme which initially brought coffee plantations to the island. These were later wiped out by coffee rust. Coffee plants were replaced by tea and rubber plantations. This made Ceylon one of the richest countries in Asia. The Amazon was already losing primacy in rubber production, as the Patagonians had begun planted rubber trees. These rubber trees were planted from seeds that Carlos de Cruz had smuggled out of Brazil in 1876. The Ceylon plantations are expected able to produce latex with greater efficiency and productivity. Consequently, with lower costs and a lower final price due to slavery, the Amazon rubber monopoly will collapse. However, this was still years away, for now Ceylon had been focused on tea production, the humidity, cool temperatures, and rainfall of the country's central highlands providing a climate that favors the production of high-quality tea that became popularized in Britain and most of Europe.

RP sample: You know me

[Kargintina]

Patagonia is accepted. Time to get cracking on that roster.

[Liecthenbourg]

Patagonia is accepted. Time to get cracking on that roster.

Just so you are aware in the app it claims Sri Lanka is a puppet state, but on the map you own it.

Just something I've noticed, not exactly sure what standing it has.

[Kargintina]

Patagonia is accepted. Time to get cracking on that roster.

Just so you are aware in the app it claims Sri Lanka is a puppet state, but on the map you own it.

Just something I've noticed, not exactly sure what standing it has.

He can have it.

[Kisinger]

This is the map that has my nation on it. http://i.imgur.com/SpUwf8g.png

Erm.... You Don't Control Bosnia....

[Senkaku]

Can we get Morocco on the map sometime soon, please?

Time to start the Texas oil boom!

This should be interesting.

Not sure if the person who isn't even hosting the meeting has any concept of diplomacy or a grasp on what the term Westphalian sovereignty actually means.

Now, they might not be allowed into the building, or ignored, but no one's gonna up and shoot them, unless they actively desire to start a war with Morocco (which is possible, but a whole different can of worms).

Your nation is not Christian and not modernised. That means that, in 1898, your sovereignty is not recognised under the treaty of Westphalia. For the Europeans, you are nothing more than a barbaric despot, and your diplomats are merely seen as envoys. Diplomatic protection doesn't count for Morocco, so your diplomats would probably not even be recognised. Besides, are you willing to declare war on Germany for a few diplomats?

You might want to slow down the agressive tone.

I see you don't have any idea of what's been going on and haven't read the Morocco app, so I see no reason to do a point by point on this silliness.

[Baja California y Sonora]

But historically the biggest Latin American rivals have been Argentina and brazil. With all of your newfound power, I dont see why you'd align with brazil.

You also still wouldn't come near the US in industrial capacity. You'd be reliant on natural resource harvesting and agriculture.

Argentina, Brazil, and Chile.
However, ever since the Cisplatine war, relations between Argentina and Brazil mostly warmed. Even the South American Naval Arms Race was mostly friendly, as Argentina and Brazil perceived each other as rivals, not as enemies. Our natural resources would be enough to let us borrow European industry to buy our own armament, though Brazil is increasingly modernizing and industrializing, and Patagonia trails it.

I wouldn't call the South American Naval Race friendly.

[Rygondria]

So who ever is playing as norway Britain,could i have some suggestions on how a Norwegian Canada can work,would it be part of some sort of commonwealth,is it just a foregin nation in itself,would it be before or after the union or nah just need our histories to match up a little bit.

[Kargintina]

So who ever is playing as norway Britain,could i have some suggestions on how a Norwegian Canada can work,would it be part of some sort of commonwealth,is it just a foregin nation in itself,would it be before or after the union or nah just need our histories to match up a little bit.

You can be independent if you so wish.

[Reatra]

Could I reserve a Confederation of Peru, Chile, and Argentina?

I love you

[Rygondria]

So who ever is playing as norway Britain,could i have some suggestions on how a Norwegian Canada can work,would it be part of some sort of commonwealth,is it just a foregin nation in itself,would it be before or after the union or nah just need our histories to match up a little bit.

You can be independent if you so wish.

Got it.

[The New Greek Republic]

What of my Persian reservation?

[Kargintina]

What of my Persian reservation?

Its accepted, I guess you don't have to have a reservation be accepted.