A Song of Ice and Fire :: Factions (OOC)

[Relikai]

Hey, mr iron born lets talk canon.
Iron born believe in the iron right. They don't farm or mine or WHINE.
Their land is a rock and they are fierce to be wrecked with because they have to be.

Just think of a good bonus that will save you. Like here is one.
When you raid let's say a farm. You can choose to burn it and enslave the people.
You can then sell those people for instant coin or use them to build a free farm in your land.

Something like that. You are raiders you get your money from raiding. If you don't like it play someone else.

Tell them that when the Riverlands come back with tier 8 cities or when other factions outnumber them 20:1 in a counteroffensive because of you little raiding.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Though, I think it would be reasonable to increase the price of new settlements per faction based on time. After all, there are only so many landless peasants to resettle every so often.

[Kanilion]

Hey, mr iron born lets talk canon.
Iron born believe in the iron right. They don't farm or mine or WHINE.
Their land is a rock and they are fierce to be wrecked with because they have to be.

Just think of a good bonus that will save you. Like here is one.
When you raid let's say a farm. You can choose to burn it and enslave the people.
You can then sell those people for instant coin or use them to build a free farm in your land.

Something like that. You are raiders you get your money from raiding. If you don't like it play someone else.

I dont think someone with buffs and no debuffs should be speaking much.

The term Exponential income exists if I remember correctly. By the time people start reaching a level the Garderners would be far, far beyond that.

[Jade Confederacy]

Hm yes, I believe so.

Highgarden I basically spent all my starting cash kitting out with Infrastructure, so it pulls in ~200 Gold itself. Add to that a fairly similar income from Sasane for about 350, plus the GPT from minor villages, and it works out to be pretty profitable. Anyone with infrastructure can make cash quickly- even with the worst building, a Mine, you make back all your money in five months, after which anything is profit.

I've just built more infrastructure than most, since I doubt a war will touch Highgarden in the near future, so I can afford not to have much of a military.

but we're just beginning the second month so none of your improvements can can begin turning a profit yet. So you get 1000 base income? That insane. most houses can bearly make ends meet With the infrastructure and troop upkeep.

[Nuxipal]

The Lannisters are supposed to be the richest house but you have almost ten times their income. Your income is just leagues above everyone else's. Does your infrastructure really give you 500 gold per turn? What about your troop and castle upkeep?

The Westerland Mines are supposed to make them the richest but....

It's all balanced! They say.

Anyway, I've learnt to just suck a thumb when it comes to these Play with my little own House, ignore the big blobs.

I said nothing about it being balanced. This is pretty much, adjust as we go. I get complaints, but nothing in the way of fixing it. I'm thinking of upgrading the castle towns and town markets so they produce significant income instead of just a few gold.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Hm yes, I believe so.

Highgarden I basically spent all my starting cash kitting out with Infrastructure, so it pulls in ~200 Gold itself. Add to that a fairly similar income from Sasane for about 350, plus the GPT from minor villages, and it works out to be pretty profitable. Anyone with infrastructure can make cash quickly- even with the worst building, a Mine, you make back all your money in five months, after which anything is profit.

I've just built more infrastructure than most, since I doubt a war will touch Highgarden in the near future, so I can afford not to have much of a military.

but we're just beginning the second month so none of your improvements can can begin turning a profit yet. So you get 1000 base income? That insane. most houses can bearly make ends meet With the infrastructure and troop upkeep.

Well sure- but you've got to keep in mind that I started out with an Average City, which means I started with several hundred gold more than anyone except the Hightowers/etc. Money begets money.

[Relikai]

The Westerland Mines are supposed to make them the richest but....

It's all balanced! They say.

Anyway, I've learnt to just suck a thumb when it comes to these Play with my little own House, ignore the big blobs.

I said nothing about it being balanced. This is pretty much, adjust as we go. I get complaints, but nothing in the way of fixing it. I'm thinking of upgrading the castle towns and town markets so they produce significant income instead of just a few gold.

Aw man, we're just RPing for the sake of filling posts until the doomsday force of 10,000 Knights decide to descend upon us

Anyway I've spent enough posts raising issues on the OPness of some income bonuses, kinda stupid of me to repeat when things arent going to change.

[Stolen Idol]

Fix economy with trade routes and resource trading.

[Ironsbad]

Well, 23 gold is still 27 gold and two months to pay off the debt to the Council or the people may run out me of town and get conquered by a new pirate lord. Might have to go raid and enslave an average town. Maybe one near Ghost Hill or is Ghost Hill a average town?

[G-Tech Corporation]

Well, 23 gold is still 27 gold and two months to pay off the debt to the Council or the people may run out me of town and get conquered by a new pirate lord. Might have to go raid and enslave an average town. Maybe one near Ghost Hill or is Ghost Hill a average town?

Offhand, Ghost Hill is a castle of some sort. There might be a little town around it to raid, but hitting a castle might be iffy with only a few hundred raiders.

[Nuxipal]

I said nothing about it being balanced. This is pretty much, adjust as we go. I get complaints, but nothing in the way of fixing it. I'm thinking of upgrading the castle towns and town markets so they produce significant income instead of just a few gold.

Aw man, we're just RPing for the sake of filling posts until the doomsday force of 10,000 Knights decide to descend upon us

Anyway I've spent enough posts raising issues on the OPness of some income bonuses, kinda stupid of me to repeat when things arent going to change.

Things will change. I just need good ideas.

Fix economy with trade routes and resource trading.

Trade Routes right now are pretty basic, just two people agreeing to do trade and having Merchant Ships and a Port. We could expand that to land with caravans and Trade Posts.

Well, 23 gold is still 27 gold and two months to pay off the debt to the Council or the people may run out me of town and get conquered by a new pirate lord. Might have to go raid and enslave an average town. Maybe one near Ghost Hill or is Ghost Hill a average town?

Do not worry.. I am not in the best financial situation currently. I'm in the Black, but barely making enough for one or two bits of infrastructure, that won't do anything until month 3 right now.. which I may change simply because of how other Factions RPs have gone.

[Jade Confederacy]

Well sure- but you've got to keep in mind that I started out with an Average City, which means I started with several hundred gold more than anyone except the Hightowers/etc. Money begets money.

But I thought there were only five established cities in westeros. the problem isn't go much as your accumulating money but the fact that your accumulating it way too fast. If the Lannisters have a net income of 130 than a revenue of 200 would be within reason for the gardeners and hightowers. As is its just way too unbalanced. You have double the rest of the great house's income combined.

[Ironsbad]

Well, 23 gold is still 27 gold and two months to pay off the debt to the Council or the people may run out me of town and get conquered by a new pirate lord. Might have to go raid and enslave an average town. Maybe one near Ghost Hill or is Ghost Hill a average town?

Offhand, Ghost Hill is a castle of some sort. There might be a little town around it to raid, but hitting a castle might be iffy with only a few hundred raiders.

Ahh, that will be impossible as of right now. Would Planky Town be an actual town or a city because of its trade between Sunspear and the Free Cities?

[G-Tech Corporation]

Well sure- but you've got to keep in mind that I started out with an Average City, which means I started with several hundred gold more than anyone except the Hightowers/etc. Money begets money.

But I thought there were only five established cities in westeros. the problem isn't go much as your accumulating money but the fact that your accumulating it way too fast. If the Lannisters have a net income of 130 than a revenue of 200 would be within reason for the gardeners and hightowers. As is its just way too unbalanced. You have double the rest of the great house's income combined.

Honestly, the Lannisters should have more cash than me- they start with a larger opening budget. They just didn't (unless I missed something) invest it in infrastructure, which is the major moneymaker.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Offhand, Ghost Hill is a castle of some sort. There might be a little town around it to raid, but hitting a castle might be iffy with only a few hundred raiders.

Ahh, that will be impossible as of right now. Would Planky Town be an actual town or a city because of its trade between Sunspear and the Free Cities?

Planky Town is probably the second largest city in Dorne, iirc.

[Ironsbad]

Ahh, that will be impossible as of right now. Would Planky Town be an actual town or a city because of its trade between Sunspear and the Free Cities?

Planky Town is probably the second largest city in Dorne, iirc.

Then I better just raid a village then and grow my fleet and men. I think there should be a costal vineyard somewhere I can burn down.

[Relikai]

Aw man, we're just RPing for the sake of filling posts until the doomsday force of 10,000 Knights decide to descend upon us

Anyway I've spent enough posts raising issues on the OPness of some income bonuses, kinda stupid of me to repeat when things arent going to change.

Things will change. I just need good ideas.

Fix economy with trade routes and resource trading.

Trade Routes right now are pretty basic, just two people agreeing to do trade and having Merchant Ships and a Port. We could expand that to land with caravans and Trade Posts.

Well, 23 gold is still 27 gold and two months to pay off the debt to the Council or the people may run out me of town and get conquered by a new pirate lord. Might have to go raid and enslave an average town. Maybe one near Ghost Hill or is Ghost Hill a average town?

Do not worry.. I am not in the best financial situation currently. I'm in the Black, but barely making enough for one or two bits of infrastructure, that won't do anything until month 3 right now.. which I may change simply because of how other Factions RPs have gone.

I'm throwing alot faith in this.

GOLD! SILVER! They come from the Westerlands right? How is wines and vines still worth than the metal which makes currency?

Iron Islands could do with a troop strength boost to reflect the strength of the Raiders.

Riverlands! Just make settlements along the Coast and there be no debuffs???

Reach ha- ah screw it, said it before, tired of repeating.

Industries could be boosted according to region. Westerland makes weapons and armours, Reach bakes bread, give Dorne a Winery, something like this.

Expand the troop tree and impose limitations according to resources. Troops can be 'equipped by another faction' meaning a faction without good mines could purchase Knights from a mine-rich faction.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Planky Town is probably the second largest city in Dorne, iirc.

Then I better just raid a village then and grow my fleet and men. I think there should be a costal vineyard somewhere I can burn down.

Hmm, talk with Nux. I'm a bit leery of having NPCs build infrastructure.

[Jade Confederacy]

Honestly, the Lannisters should have more cash than me- they start with a larger opening budget. They just didn't (unless I missed something) invest it in infrastructure, which is the major moneymaker.

But infrastructure investment shouldn't have an effect on your income since we're so early into the game. Along with the Lannisters mines he has the second biggest city in westeros. Your base income is just simply way too high.

Edit: i see where your getting most of your income from. It's from six villages stacked with vineyards. I think there needs to be a revamp of the mechanics. Those villages produce double the income of oldtown.

[Relikai]

Honestly, the Lannisters should have more cash than me- they start with a larger opening budget. They just didn't (unless I missed something) invest it in infrastructure, which is the major moneymaker.

But infrastructure investment shouldn't have an effect on your income since we're so early into the game. Along with the Lannisters mines he has the second biggest city in westeros. Your base income is just simply way too high.

Vineyards and average cities. You know a singe vineyard outproduces a Westerland mine... and they have farm income bonuses too.

Look at Garderner's Vassals too. If they are King well, it's canonically understandable.

[Ironsbad]

Then I better just raid a village then and grow my fleet and men. I think there should be a costal vineyard somewhere I can burn down.

Hmm, talk with Nux. I'm a bit leery of having NPCs build infrastructure.

Then generic fishing villages it is.

[Central Mursia]

Fixed App:
House: Reyne
Leader: Lord Aerion Reyne
Religion: Faith of the Seven
Brief Description of Diplomatic Relations: Unsure on how to stand on loyalty to the Lannisters
Military State of Readiness: Medium, looking for a chance to increase their power
History:
House Reyne was a family of First men who made their seat at Castemere The mine's silver and gold made them wealthy, much like the Lannister's of Casterly Rock. The Reynes joined the Lannisters due to a marriege between a Reyne daughter and a king of the rock
Castles, Cities, and Infrastructure:
Castemere
Large Town
Average Castle
3 Mines
Tarbeck Hall
Small Castle
Village
House Members: (Look them up if a canon House or create a small household if making a custom house)
Lord Aerion Reyne
Rough, tough sort of man who prefers the battlefield to sitting around counting coppers or listening to drones. Great battle commander, but prefers to leave the lording to his oldest son. Married to a woman of House Tarbeck, Jane Tarbeck which is why the Reynes have Tarbeck Hall
Davon Reyne
Heir to Castemere , a bookish and quiet boy, is a fantastic Lord and good at managing finances but cannot use or command a army very well. Unmarried.
Robb Reyne
A brave, but headstrong man, who prefers to go around either doing sell sword work or tournaments. Rebellious, but will easily lead a army to war. Married to a lesser lords daughter, Margaret Westerling
Jane Tarbeck
One of the last Tarbeck, apart from a estranged brother across the narrow sea, so brought Tarbeck Hall to the marriage. Quiet, and will try and keep her husband from making too rash decisions
Elia Tarbeck
17 Year old Daughter, very pretty and unmarried. Quite cunning, and has learnt many ways to twist a situation to her advantage. Unmarried
Military:
4 units of Town Watch, 3 units of men at arms, 2 Archers, 1 Light Calvary, 1 units mounted knights.
RP Example:
Year of regional roleplaying
S13 - Do Not Remove

[G-Tech Corporation]

Honestly, the Lannisters should have more cash than me- they start with a larger opening budget. They just didn't (unless I missed something) invest it in infrastructure, which is the major moneymaker.

But infrastructure investment shouldn't have an effect on your income since we're so early into the game. Along with the Lannisters mines he has the second biggest city in westeros. Your base income is just simply way too high.

That's not how it works, at least to my understanding- my infrastructure makes cash because I built it with my "pre-IC" starting funds, meaning it is active immediately. Of course infrastructure affects income immediately after it has been built.

The Lannister player spent 1400 Gold for an income of 120. Frankly, whatever he did must have been not what I would have done. All my holdings and infrastructure are clearly laid out in the Archive, if you'd like to check my sums. I pull ~200 from holdings, ~200 from taxes, and ~50 from vassals, so even if I hadn't built a shred of infrastructure I would be making a good amount of cash.

[Kanilion]

Here is the answer.

House Gardener:
Highgarden [Large City] (Curtain Wall, Town Market Tier 1, Port | Baker, Tanner, Potter] (2 Vineyards, 4 Farms, Trade Post, Horsebreeder, 2 Windmills)
-Highgarden [Average Castle] (Blacksmith, Weaponsmith)
Sasane [Large Village] (2 Vineyards, 4 Farms, Trade Post, Horsebreeder, 2 Windmills)
Tustun [Average Village] (2 Vineyards)
Trellis [Large Village] (2 Vineyards)
Mernsward [Small Village] (2 Vineyards)
Wetgate [Keep] (23 Months remaining)
Garthsguard [Small Village] (2 Vineyards)
Manston [Small Village] (2 Vineyards)

VERSUS

Accepted, for Lannister, you have direct control over Casterly and Lannisport only, which isn't a terrible thing having a sizable castle and city together. The rest are going to be NPC vassals until someone decides to take control over them.

Look at the infrastructure difference.

[Relikai]

Here is the answer.

House Gardener:
Highgarden [Large City] (Curtain Wall, Town Market Tier 1, Port | Baker, Tanner, Potter] (2 Vineyards, 4 Farms, Trade Post, Horsebreeder, 2 Windmills)
-Highgarden [Average Castle] (Blacksmith, Weaponsmith)
Sasane [Large Village] (2 Vineyards, 4 Farms, Trade Post, Horsebreeder, 2 Windmills)
Tustun [Average Village] (2 Vineyards)
Trellis [Large Village] (2 Vineyards)
Mernsward [Small Village] (2 Vineyards)
Wetgate [Keep] (23 Months remaining)
Garthsguard [Small Village] (2 Vineyards)
Manston [Small Village] (2 Vineyards)

VERSUS

Accepted, for Lannister, you have direct control over Casterly and Lannisport only, which isn't a terrible thing having a sizable castle and city together. The rest are going to be NPC vassals until someone decides to take control over them.

Look at the infrastructure difference.

With 2 starting holdings even if he invested in all mines and villages, no way. No Way is he going to overcome the vinespam at a cheaper price.

I'm not sure if the player knows he could spam custom villages.