A Song of Ice and Fire :: Factions (OOC)

[Caermine]

I guess GoT was still the era of heavy cav and earlier means they were still a useful force.

But well, without watching the show or reading the books I lack this decisive shot lolol.

You are forgiven, since this is a different universe with different techs Medicine in Westeros is 18th century, while the dromonds are 5th century tech.

[Second Helghan Empire]

I guess GoT was still the era of heavy cav and earlier means they were still a useful force.

But well, without watching the show or reading the books I lack this decisive shot lolol.

You are forgiven, since this is a different universe with different techs Medicine in Westeros is 18th century, while the dromonds are 5th century tech.

I hate that they have plate armor and the like but Joffrey is marveling at this new invention, the crossbow....that pissed me off that the Plate armor came first, I feel somewhat aggravated, but silly because I do.

[Caermine]

The North

Snow is everywhere as winter continues to loom over the North. The White Knife and Fever are frozen solid. The only flowing water is in the Neck where the Crannogmen live. However, this also brings the smallfolk into the towns around the Northern castles. All northerners gain +10 gold this month as food prices soar further. Whispers that wildlings have been raiding Bear Island and the Hill Clans also reaches Winterfell. On Skagos, with winter still gripping the islands, the Skagosi Lords come together to discuss their relationship to the Northmen and House Stark.

The White Knife only freezes during very harsh winters.

EDIT: And the Frey tourney and Gardener tourney get advertising, White Harbor Tourney doesn't? With 100 gold I think we even have the highest price pool!

[Aqizithiuda]

300 crossbowmen, with two crossbows and 300 loaders, with a rate of fire of 6 bolts per crossbow. Maximum range of the crossbows in question is 240 yards, which takes 40 seconds at the charge speed of Napoleonic cavalry. I'll admit that my back of the envelope calculations overestimated the number of bolts by 600 bolts, since the shield bearers need to grab their spears and position them.

Sure, set up camp around me. My scorpions could use the practice.

No pikes are needed, just four feet of thick ash topped by two feet of steel.

[url=Battle of St Pol de Léon]I'm not smoking anything.[/url]

Grab spears and positioning them in a proper formation would take more than the 30 seconds you imagine them to be capable of.

Except that the shield bearers are already behind their pavises, spears at hand. All they need to do is drop the crossbow they are loading and angle the volgue towards the enemy through the gap in the shields.

A crossbow takes a minute to arm and fire.

Bull. Shit. Even windlass drawn crossbows only take 40 seconds to load and fire, and much of that is unwinding the windlass from the previous shot. A well drilled crossbowman is more than capable of six bolts a minute.

If you want a tight enough circle, you have no space to set up your scorpions or fire a crossbow. Want space to do that, spread out and get trampled.

The internal diameter of an ad hoc shield wall is 95 yards, assuming a half foot gap between pavises. Plenty of room for scorpions, which don't occupy more than five feet of horizonal space.

To hold a pike one cannot effectively wield a shield.

Where are these pikes coming from, and why are the pavises suddenly replaces with ordinary shields?

To create a shield wall from a mass of people and equipment cluttered to fire a crossbow, as said again, takes more time than an imaginary 30 seconds.

Firstly, it was 40 seconds. Second, I never claimed that they could assemble the ad hoc formation and discharge that number of bolts. What I claimed was that, when in that ad hoc formation, they could loose 21 bolts per heavy cavalryman in the time it takes them to reach the wall of pavises. The whole point of having the light cavalry is to provide scouts so that the company has time to form up before any attack.

Please, the battle of St Pol de Leon uses prepared positions, was against footmen, and has the height advantage and are using equipment not used by your men. And I suppose one battle means that the similar results would be emulated everywhere ?

According to Matthew Strickland, an initial mounted assault was made by 40 picked knights on barded horses and supported by crossbows. It was repelled and all subsequent attacks were made by dismounted knights leading infantry.

The English only had a few trenches and a wall made from horses, and manages to defeat at least five times their number. In comparison, the company would have a wall of solid, undying carts, sturdy pavises, artillery and better than three times the numbers of the English. Their crossbows are not significantly less powerful, not would they be loosing any slower. The shield bearers are armed much as the English men-at-arms would have been as well.

''King Joffrey held a brand new crossbow that was just invented around that time.''

That's not a line in any of the first three books, and all searches of them turn up results indicative of crossbows being widespread and commonplace. Crossbows are further mentioned in the Dunk and Egg novellas.

More like ... Late 11th early 12th century stuff I reckon

Trying to put a date on things is largely futile, because ASOIAF features a highly technologically stagnant world.

Yes

I guess GoT was still the era of heavy cav and earlier means they were still a useful force.

But well, without watching the show or reading the books I lack this decisive shot lolol.

The world of ASOIAF is broadly consistent with the mid-late 16th century in terms of armour, cavalry and tactics.

I guess GoT was still the era of heavy cav and earlier means they were still a useful force.

But well, without watching the show or reading the books I lack this decisive shot lolol.

You are forgiven, since this is a different universe with different techs Medicine in Westeros is 18th century, while the dromonds are 5th century tech.

The term "dromond" didn't come into widespread use until the 6th century, and dromonds of the size mentioned in the books didn't appear until the 9th or 10th centuries. Even then, the dromonds in ASOIAF better resemble the quinqueremes of antiquity or the 15th "Great Galleys" of the Venetians.

[Caermine]

^Sorry, Google proofed me wrong, in my mind it was a relatively new thing, don't know how that happened.

[Kanilion]

I hope the mercenary isnt implying that he can fire all 300 crossbows at once along a straight line, then form a compact, layered shield wall or circle within 40 seconds.

300 man line! We shoot!

We run at speed to form a perfect shield wall! No horse can pass through!

We are impenetrable!

[Aqizithiuda]

I hope the mercenary isnt implying that he can fire all 300 crossbows at once along a straight line, then form a compact, layered shield wall or circle within 40 seconds.

300 man line! We shoot!

We run at speed to form a perfect shield wall! No horse can pass through!

We are impenetrable!

I give up. If people aren't going to read what I say or deliberately take it out of context, I'm not going to argue with them.

[Kanilion]

Regardless, IC-wise I'll start from the second month due to my late entry.

[The Flame Dawn]

Regardless, IC-wise I'll start from the second month due to my late entry.

Please remember that aside from your mechanics, you should also include some sort of content. It'll be boring if all we see are numbers.

Also, on the mercenaries, spearmen armed with shields were used at that time. Crossbows were used at that time though were mainly used when dealing with heavily armed units, ie knights. Bows were still a more popular since they could fire faster and fire in an arch shape raining death form behind their lines.

Most men weren't exactly the professional soldier we see today so many of them specialized in a specific weapon. Archers used bows, and had a dagger in the event of close quarters, and spearmen used spears and shields. Crossbowmen were often positioned at the front, in a kneel fire position, and would fire a volley, reload, and continue to fire until the enemy were close, in which they would slip behind their lines to safety. All the while, archers in the rear would be raining arrows on the advancing forces.

EDIT: One last thing, about how long it takes units to do specific things. Not everyone is in peak condition during a battle nor are they the greatest out of all of them. Most soldiers are often marching for days on end before reaching the field of battle.

[Kanilion]

Regardless, IC-wise I'll start from the second month due to my late entry.

Please remember that aside from your mechanics, you should also include some sort of content. It'll be boring if all we see are numbers.

I saw something odd when the SUBMIT button became SUBMIT QUERY, and my Edits were gone. Time for a rewrite in class.

My OOC post was sacarstic, but I hope the merc doesnt say that 'Its so easy to train them professionally in such easy tasks' next >_<

[Ironsbad]

So the second month is around, what about the pirate raid on the Northern Coast of Dorne between Ghost Hill and the Tor?

[G-Tech Corporation]

So the second month is around, what about the pirate raid on the Northern Coast of Dorne between Ghost Hill and the Tor?

Sorry, I thought I noted that your raid had been successful against a small Dornish fishing village. You sent two units, right?

[Ironsbad]

So the second month is around, what about the pirate raid on the Northern Coast of Dorne between Ghost Hill and the Tor?

Sorry, I thought I noted that your raid had been successful against a small Dornish fishing village. You sent two units, right?

Yeah, two units to go burn down a small Dornish fishing village. Just to get slaves and all.

[Arlye Austros]

Sorry, I thought I noted that your raid had been successful against a small Dornish fishing village. You sent two units, right?

Yeah, two units to go burn down a small Dornish fishing village. Just to get slaves and all.

Ironborn in the Sea of Dorne? That can´t be good at all for the Stormlands. Something must be done about it.

[Ironsbad]

Yeah, two units to go burn down a small Dornish fishing village. Just to get slaves and all.

Ironborn in the Sea of Dorne? That can´t be good at all for the Stormlands. Something must be done about it.

Nope, just and upstart pirate lord from the Step Stones paying a debt to his town council or they'll cut off funding of his pirate ways.

[Stolen Idol]

Bribe the Pirates to raid other trade routes to help ya out.

[Arlye Austros]

Ironborn in the Sea of Dorne? That can´t be good at all for the Stormlands. Something must be done about it.

Nope, just and upstart pirate lord from the Step Stones paying a debt to his town council or they'll cut off funding of his pirate ways.

Can´t be good either

[Relikai]

Nope, just and upstart pirate lord from the Step Stones paying a debt to his town council or they'll cut off funding of his pirate ways.

Can´t be good either

Drown... Drown them all... Blood for the Drowned God!

[Arlye Austros]

Can´t be good either

Drown... Drown them all... Blood for the Drowned God!

*offers them to the Storm God by Throwing them into the sea from a cliff while the storm rages.*

[G-Tech Corporation]

Sorry, I thought I noted that your raid had been successful against a small Dornish fishing village. You sent two units, right?

Yeah, two units to go burn down a small Dornish fishing village. Just to get slaves and all.

Righto. Nuxipal hasn't entirely gotten back to me on raiding, but let's say you plunder 20 Gold and take fifty slaves. Some of the slaves, however, have been despoiled despite your orders.

[Ironsbad]

Yeah, two units to go burn down a small Dornish fishing village. Just to get slaves and all.

Righto. Nuxipal hasn't entirely gotten back to me on raiding, but let's say you plunder 20 Gold and take fifty slaves. Some of the slaves, however, have been despoiled despite your orders.

Ok, half the gold repaid and I get to kill some of my men for disobeying me. At least the slaves will be sold to the Iron Islands for some gold.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Righto. Nuxipal hasn't entirely gotten back to me on raiding, but let's say you plunder 20 Gold and take fifty slaves. Some of the slaves, however, have been despoiled despite your orders.

Ok, half the gold repaid and I get to kill some of my men for disobeying me. At least the slaves will be sold to the Iron Islands for some gold.

Hm. Dornish farmers probably aren't worth much on the slave markets, but I suppose you could get 2-3 gold more for the lot of them.

[Olthenia]

Eugh.

Writer's block, begone!

[G-Tech Corporation]

Eugh.

Writer's block, begone!

All we need is a goat, a lot of rope, a man who plays the bagpipes, and someone to go *twiddles fingers*.

[Jade Confederacy]

The White Knife only freezes during very harsh winters.

EDIT: And the Frey tourney and Gardener tourney get advertising, White Harbor Tourney doesn't? With 100 gold I think we even have the highest price pool!

My tournament is open only to riverland houses and I'm doing it for another perpose. 100 gold is equivalent to 100000 gold, which is awfully high. Roberts tourney only had a price pool of 60000 I think. Mine would be much much less.