A Song of Ice and Fire :: Factions (OOC)

[Kanilion]

Simply because it is a merc company and not a noble house, sure why not. Though, I would expect them to want to settle down somewhere at some point. Accepted.

Wunderbar.

And you're right, they'll definitely want to settle eventually, probably sooner rather than later.

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Now that I've been approved, I'm now accepting any and all offers of employment. The Silver Shields' standard rate is 220 gold to sign and 35 per month in upkeep, but that's all negotiable. I've already got one offer on the table, so if you want to employ my company you'd better get in quick .

How does your troop type differ from the standard types in the Troop Tree ?

Edit - And thank for the accept OP!

[Relikai]

Simply because it is a merc company and not a noble house, sure why not. Though, I would expect them to want to settle down somewhere at some point. Accepted.

Wunderbar.

And you're right, they'll definitely want to settle eventually, probably sooner rather than later.

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Now that I've been approved, I'm now accepting any and all offers of employment. The Silver Shields' standard rate is 220 gold to sign and 35 per month in upkeep, but that's all negotiable. I've already got one offer on the table, so if you want to employ my company you'd better get in quick .

If I might say, you should feel free to raise your rates

After all, as a Mercenary Commander, you need to pay to maintain your troops' monthly upkeep, and you need to make a profit!

[Aqizithiuda]

Wunderbar.

And you're right, they'll definitely want to settle eventually, probably sooner rather than later.

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Now that I've been approved, I'm now accepting any and all offers of employment. The Silver Shields' standard rate is 220 gold to sign and 35 per month in upkeep, but that's all negotiable. I've already got one offer on the table, so if you want to employ my company you'd better get in quick .

How does your troop type differ from the standard types in the Troop Tree ?

Edit - And thank for the accept OP!

I have artillery, my men at arms have giant shields that they use to form a mobile fort and my archers are actually crossbowmen.

Wunderbar.

And you're right, they'll definitely want to settle eventually, probably sooner rather than later.

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Now that I've been approved, I'm now accepting any and all offers of employment. The Silver Shields' standard rate is 220 gold to sign and 35 per month in upkeep, but that's all negotiable. I've already got one offer on the table, so if you want to employ my company you'd better get in quick .

If I might say, you should feel free to raise your rates

After all, as a Mercenary Commander, you need to pay to maintain your troops' monthly upkeep, and you need to make a profit!

Upkeep is just over twice what it would be for normal soldiers (1.5 x units of men-at-arms = 7.5 gold a month, 1.5 x units of archers = 4.5 gold a month, 1 x unit of light cavalry = 5 gold a month, total = 17). Obviously the artillery would require significant upkeep, so add another 10 gold a month. That leaves me with a profit margin of 8 gold a month.

[Jade Confederacy]

Now that I've been approved, I'm now accepting any and all offers of employment. The Silver Shields' standard rate is 220 gold to sign and 35 per month in upkeep, but that's all negotiable. I've already got one offer on the table, so if you want to employ my company you'd better get in quick .

Im probably interested. Looks like the Riverland is about to blow up and i'll need some sharp sticks soon. Im also one of the only house that can see to your rates in the Riverlands so i might be sending an agent the next post.

EDIT: Looking at your unit composition its kind of too niche for general battles. Most merc companies are comprised of melee and mounted units whiles yours focuses on range with the crossbows and the artillery pieces. As is, its more for city defense than to use to contest battles. I would much more prefer if you had dropped the artillery in favor of cavalry.

[Stolen Idol]

In a few months you could make a village but it takes two years.
We need encampments, watch towers, forts. To support armies on the field.

[Aqizithiuda]

Now that I've been approved, I'm now accepting any and all offers of employment. The Silver Shields' standard rate is 220 gold to sign and 35 per month in upkeep, but that's all negotiable. I've already got one offer on the table, so if you want to employ my company you'd better get in quick .

Im probably interested. Looks like the Riverland is about to blow up and i'll need some sharp sticks soon. Im also one of the only house that can see to your rates in the Riverlands so i might be sending an agent the next post.

EDIT: Looking at your unit composition its kind of too niche for general battles. Most merc companies are comprised of melee and mounted units whiles yours focuses on range with the crossbows and the artillery pieces. As is, its more for city defense than to use to contest battles. I would much more prefer if you had dropped the artillery in favor of cavalry.

I've based my force composition on that of the Genoesian crossbowmen, with some Burgundian, Anglo-Normanz English and Italian influences on preferred tactics. Admittedly, the tactics typically used by the Silver Shields would be particularly useful if there were more of them, but they're still a perfectly viable force.

[Jade Confederacy]

I've based my force composition on that of the Genoesian crossbowmen, with some Burgundian, Anglo-Normanz English and Italian influences on preferred tactics. Admittedly, the tactics typically used by the Silver Shields would be particularly useful if there were more of them, but they're still a perfectly viable force.

Yes the numbers are a major problem. The way you augment the silver shields is more akin to a miniature army than a sub unit of a larger force. If I hire the silver shields it would be as a vanguard or finishing force. A single isolated unit of half a thousand men isn't going to make much of a difference in a battle of several thousand but a few hundred extra heavy cav or knights used at the right moment could.

[Relikai]

I'm thinking that the infantry scale would have to increased to accomodate pikemen or some other armoured infantry.

Anyway the Silver Shields would only fit into an army of my vision as part of the field army, not an independent force.

Independently, they could be chopped up and surrounded due to the lack of mobility, and a formation-breaking charge of 100+ heavy cavalry supported by light cavalry could practically wipe them out.

But of course, Mercenary Composition could be changed and new troops added in from time to time, as long as they have the gold.

Also, Long Lances Mercenaries are dirt cheap, requires at least 900-1000 gold to hire such a vanguard.

[Stolen Idol]

Yeah if you wanna be the hero you need horsemen. So, you can charge at break the enemy.
Though, maybe the company is meant to be a "mini army".
They be worth hiring to harass trade routes and troop movement.

[Jade Confederacy]

Yeah if you wanna be the hero you need horsemen. So, you can charge at break the enemy.
Though, maybe the company is meant to be a "mini army".
They be worth hiring to harass trade routes and troop movement.

That would need a highly mobile force made up of mostly light cav. His force would be more suited to defend a position preferably on a hill or to take out a small keep.

[Stolen Idol]

I was thinking abushing caravans from hills, trees and dirches.
Not all highway men need horses.

[Relikai]

I could use them as the core of an army. Maintain a highly trained force while using them for cheaper troops.

[Jade Confederacy]

I was thinking abushing caravans from hills, trees and dirches.
Not all highway men need horses.

But you'll need the mobility to outrun pursuit. The artillery will get bogged down and they'll be cornered and crushed. Cav is king at this age since Norman style knights are the best technology has to offer. They could be used as shock troops to induce a route or to outflank slower armies.

[Aqizithiuda]

I've based my force composition on that of the Genoesian crossbowmen, with some Burgundian, Anglo-Normanz English and Italian influences on preferred tactics. Admittedly, the tactics typically used by the Silver Shields would be particularly useful if there were more of them, but they're still a perfectly viable force.

Yes the numbers are a major problem. The way you augment the silver shields is more akin to a miniature army than a sub unit of a larger force. If I hire the silver shields it would be as a vanguard or finishing force. A single isolated unit of half a thousand men isn't going to make much of a difference in a battle of several thousand but a few hundred extra heavy cav or knights used at the right moment could.

That depends on your strategy. If you follow the Classical "two sides advance on flat ground towards each other" or the stereotypical French "heavy cavalry charge over everything else" then, yes, this isn't the force for you. On the other hand, if you follow the English/Burgundian/mid-15th century French strategy of taking up a defensive position and letting the enemy come to you, then putting the Silver Shields in thr center of your vanguard or on the wings with the other missile troops is a good idea.

I'm thinking that the infantry scale would have to increased to accomodate pikemen or some other armoured infantry.

Anyway the Silver Shields would only fit into an army of my vision as part of the field army, not an independent force.

Independently, they could be chopped up and surrounded due to the lack of mobility, and a formation-breaking charge of 100+ heavy cavalry supported by light cavalry could practically wipe them out.

But of course, Mercenary Composition could be changed and new troops added in from time to time, as long as they have the gold.

Also, Long Lances Mercenaries are dirt cheap, requires at least 900-1000 gold to hire such a vanguard.

100 heavy cavalry charging against an ad hoc defensive circle will find themselves dealing with 2700 bolts and will then have to deal with the propped shields and polearms aimed at the bellies of their horses. If there's enough time, the cavalry would also have to contend with 28-42 one ounce lead bullets.

If there's time to form up a laager, then the company is capable of holding out against some three or four thousand heavy cavalry.

If the company is in a marching camp, their ability to resist attack increases again.

[Relikai]

100 heavy cavalry charging against an ad hoc defensive circle will find themselves dealing with 2700 bolts and will then have to deal with the propped shields and polearms aimed at the bellies of their horses. If there's enough time, the cavalry would also have to contend with 28-42 one ounce lead bullets.

If there's time to form up a laager, then the company is capable of holding out against some three or four thousand heavy cavalry.

If the company is in a marching camp, their ability to resist attack increases again.

Wait what, bullets? 2700 bolts? You sure do overestimate your numbers.

If you're a defensive circle I would just set up camp around you, and good luck moving around with your equipment. Your heavy pikes to counter horsemen are... heavy, you cannot properly brace unless there are four to five men bracing behind the lead spear.

Hold off three to four thousand cavalry in a laager? What are you smoking lol.

[Aqizithiuda]

100 heavy cavalry charging against an ad hoc defensive circle will find themselves dealing with 2700 bolts and will then have to deal with the propped shields and polearms aimed at the bellies of their horses. If there's enough time, the cavalry would also have to contend with 28-42 one ounce lead bullets.

If there's time to form up a laager, then the company is capable of holding out against some three or four thousand heavy cavalry.

If the company is in a marching camp, their ability to resist attack increases again.

Wait what, bullets? 2700 bolts? You sure do overestimate your numbers.

If you're a defensive circle I would just set up camp around you, and good luck moving around with your equipment. Your heavy pikes to counter horsemen are... heavy, you cannot properly brace unless there are four to five men bracing behind the lead spear.

Hold off three to four thousand cavalry in a laager? What are you smoking lol.

300 crossbowmen, with two crossbows and 300 loaders, with a rate of fire of 6 bolts per crossbow. Maximum range of the crossbows in question is 240 yards, which takes 40 seconds at the charge speed of Napoleonic cavalry. I'll admit that my back of the envelope calculations overestimated the number of bolts by 600 bolts, since the shield bearers need to grab their spears and position them.

Sure, set up camp around me. My scorpions could use the practice.

No pikes are needed, just four feet of thick ash topped by two feet of steel.

[url=Battle of St Pol de Léon]I'm not smoking anything.[/url]

[Second Helghan Empire]

Behold House Harlaw! As canonical as possible while remaining within the rules! HAHAHA it took me days and way too many stupid questions but here it is!




House: House Harlaw
Leader: Lord Theomore Harlaw
Religion: Officially the Faith of the Seven, Unofficially they emphasize on the drowned god.

Brief Description of Diplomatic Relations: House Harlaw has nigh full reign over the Island of Harlaw and are one of the most powerful houses in the Iron Islands

Military State of Readiness: Ironborn always have a sizeable standing force for raiding and war. A strong Emphasis on infantry and naval power is prominent.

History:Legend Has it that like the other Ironborn, those of House Harlaw were not of the first men who conquered Westeros long ago but were formed by the drowned god in his image. Whether this is true or not is yet to be proven, not that it matters as in either situation it only helps to prove the ancient existence of the house of Harlaw.

Now divided into several cadet branches beneath the Harlaws of the Ten Towers, which remain the largest and wealthiest branch, the Harlaws rule their Island which bears their name. House Harlaw has 5 branches. Those of the Harlaws of the Ten Towers have been among the wealthiest and most powerful houses in the Iron Islands for centuries. Having split over the centuries to include the Harlaws of the Grey Garden, the Harlaws of Harridan Hill, The Harlaws of the Glimmering Tower, and following the move to Theomore's new Castle the Ten Towers, the Harlaws of Harlaw Hall were born. However currently as the Harlaws of the majority of these places are only stewards and not lords House Harlaw remains united, largely in a dysfunctional way.

Theomore's Branch of the family holds the most power and there for his heirs are the heirs to the Harlaw house as a whole and thus the island. Harlaw is the richest Island among the Iron Islands (Check asoiaf wiki if you don't believe me.) The Islands largest city is Harlaw, and while wealthier in trade Harlaw is the Second most important urban complex on the islands, directly behind the castle of Pyke.

Each of the Cadet branches was formed by Theomore's brothers. Now the last of his generation of Harlaws Theomore is not long for this world. His brothers having all died their sons took the stewardship of different Harlaw castles and towns. In the case of Harlaw Hall however they attempted to stop supplying the house with troops and supplies. Theomore's response was swift and bitter. Most of the House was killed, down to the third oldest son. This son Alran Harlaw, Theomor's great nephew, lived only to 37, dying of Greyscale. His Wife also died and the pair had only one child. Alessa Harlaw is to marry her third cousin, Darne Harlaw the youngest son to the Man Harlaw familial Branch.

Exceptions to this rule are the Harlaws of Glimmering Tower and Harridan Hill. They Have been made full cadet branches of the Harlaws and thus essentially vassals.

While Theomore remains lord of the Harlaws, in truth he has no power. His eldest son Karden rules from the City of Harlaw, his younger brother Anthor awaits the death of his father to become the steward of the Ten Towers. Karden is vastly different than his father. Karden is among those who now despise the House of Hoare. Supporting either himself or a lord of the Greyjoys as King. This is unsurprising, the Harlaws and Greyjoys have been close allies since the death of the Grey King.

The Harlaws now work to continue to increase it's strength. Hard work and determination are what have given the Harlaws their current power. It shall be what increases it further as well. That and a vast supply of children every generation.

Castles, Cities, and Infrastructure:
Led by Karden Harlaw, Harlaw: average City, tradepost
Industry: weapon/armor smith, fisherman

Stewarded by Anthor Harlaw, The Ten Towers: Average Castle, average town, fishery, port

Stewarded by Culler Harlaw the Grey Garden: keep with average town,

Stewarded by Alessa Harlaw Harlaw Hall: keep,


Cadet Houses:

Stewarded by Rydan Harlaw Harridan Hill: Small Castle with small village village
Stewarded by Aidin Harlaw Glimmering Tower: Small Castle with large village

Vassals of Note:

House Kenning of Harlaw: village, Kenston

House Myre: keep, Myre,
village, Myreburg
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House Members:

The only one that is canon at this time is Theomore however he has several children and grandchildren, as he is now about 73.

Karden Harlaw, heir to the Ten towers, 45, Average height, dark haired, dark eyes, muscular, thin beard with silvery hair interspersed with black.
Anthor Harlaw, son of Theomore steward to Harlaw City, 43, Average height, Dark hair long, pale stone color eyes, thick long black and silver beard.
Helna Harlaw, wife of Karden, 38, like most ironborn women she also knows how to fight and has the right to lead men into battle, she is hardy with dull blonde hair and pale grey eyes.
Natari Harlaw, wife of Anthor, 38, A wicked scar across her lips, she is pale with intense green eyes like her aunt, Helna's mother. The same dull blonde hair and hardy build.

Karden's Children:
Alira 21, widowed, formerly married to Jud Kenning, unlike her mother she is considered frail and beautiful, Sea green eyes along with soft pale features and jet black hair. She often proves others wrong by her actions, about both her frailty and beauty. She hates her mother who mistreats her for her beauty.
Desmor 20,one of three triplet sons born to Karden, Green Eyes, pale skin lean muscles and black hair, he is considered very comely and an adept warrior.
Koryn 20,^^ The same as his brother,
Erac 20, ^^ The same as his brother,
Alise 15, daughter, Already sought after by the other lords of the Iron Islands she is beautiful like her sister. Green Eyes and pale skin with soft features, she is a very talented singer and often sits beside her mother and father and sing. Her Mother rarely speaks to her.
Darne 12, son, Looking almost like a younger copy of the triplets he is always encouraged by his brothers and father often accompanying them when visiting Ten towers.

Anthor's Children:
Conin 19, son, Black hair and green eyes, Conin has spent time in the Riverlands. He was among those sent to aide House Hoare in their endless wars in the mainland. Conin only led a group of 20 Reavers their his family refusing to send more, saying they had lost their ships, in truth they have dismantled them until the time comes to need them to aide house Harlaw.
Ellion 18, son, Unlike his elder brother Ellion has the dull hair and eyes of his Grandfather
Brealla 16, daughter twin of twin of Salna, Brealla and Salna share the dark hair and green eys of their mother.
Salna 16, daughter twin of Brealla
Keat 14, son Sickly and rarely seen by anyone but his parents Keat is not expected to amount to much, however it is said he is growing healthier every day and perhaps will soon be venturing out of the castle, others say he is scarred and monster like and that his father has him locked away in one of the Ten Towers.

Alira's Children
Dovan Kenning 5, son Already Showing the Black hair and green eyes of their mother the sons of Alira are considered Handsome boys. However they are also considered problems as they represent the first marriage of Alira's whose husband died shortly after Bracks birth under mysterious circumstances.
Bracks Kenning 4, son

Culler Harlaw 47, Steward of the Grey Garden, nephew of Theomore, Culler reflects the dull hair and grey eyes of his uncle.
Teya Harlaw 36, Wife of Culler, Brilliant blonde hair and blue eyes, Teya is originally from the riverlands and so stands out from most Ironborn women.
Sava Harlaw 16, daughter, Dirty Blondy Hair and blue eyes
Brodin Harlaw 9, son

Aidin Harlaw 41, Steward of the Glimmering tower, Nephew of Theomore, Red headed and stony eyed he is a sad man with scars across the whole of his body and face.
Landar Harlaw 21, son, Landar has the red hair of his father and the bright blue eyes of his mother he has been to the mainland twice, both times to the same fishing village, both times he returned with women and loot, but he has never met a worthy opponent and craves the day he does.
Channer Harlaw 13, son, glorifies his brother and father, and already has gone to sea with the reavers

Alessa Harlaw 13, Steward of Harlaw hall, great-great niece of Theomore Harlaw, long Red hair, piercing blue eyes and pale skin she is considered one of the most beautiful ladies on Harlaw Island, making her story even more sad.
Katryna Harlaw 11, younger sister of Alessa, just a youger version of her sister, she will undoubtedly be used to politically maneuver the Harlaw house.

Rydan Harlaw 27, Steward of Harridan Hill, Great Nephew of Theomore, One of the Two Cadet Branches considered their own house, Rydan has proven himself a strong warrior when fighting the Harlaw Hall rebellion. He was also sent with his cousin Conin's force and is a great fighter. Jet Black Hair and bright blue eyes
Ayleen Harlaw 20, Sister of Rydan, She has taken part in a raid on the Shield Islands before and has a long scar along the back to prove it. However she is a beautiful yet somewhat intimidating woman with eyes and hair matching her brother.
Dran Harlaw 14, Brother of Rydan, Dran is the opposite of the stereotypical Ironborn, much to the rest of the Harlaw's dismay. The young man is scholarly and intelligent. However he has also proven time and time again in fights with his cousins he is not to be trifled with.
Kayl Harlaw 9, Brother of Rydan, Kayl is still too young to have found his way, however he is largely considered an odd boy, rumors have circulated he has connections to the drowned god in more than worship of him.

Military: 5 town guard in Harlaw, 4 long ships in ten towers, 2 Reavers/Men at arms one in Harlaw Hall and one in ten towers, 1 archers in grey garden, 1 merchant ship in ten towers

Finances:
Left over starting gold: 15
Income:245
Vassals:7
Deductions:133
Finances:119 per month


RP Example:
New Ausozera, 1855 alternate divergence, 1850 Alternate divergence,

sorry my phone is being stupid other wise i would link you.


S13 - Do Not Remove

[Relikai]

Wait what, bullets? 2700 bolts? You sure do overestimate your numbers.

If you're a defensive circle I would just set up camp around you, and good luck moving around with your equipment. Your heavy pikes to counter horsemen are... heavy, you cannot properly brace unless there are four to five men bracing behind the lead spear.

Hold off three to four thousand cavalry in a laager? What are you smoking lol.

300 crossbowmen, with two crossbows and 300 loaders, with a rate of fire of 6 bolts per crossbow. Maximum range of the crossbows in question is 240 yards, which takes 40 seconds at the charge speed of Napoleonic cavalry. I'll admit that my back of the envelope calculations overestimated the number of bolts by 600 bolts, since the shield bearers need to grab their spears and position them.

Sure, set up camp around me. My scorpions could use the practice.

No pikes are needed, just four feet of thick ash topped by two feet of steel.

[url=Battle of St Pol de Léon]I'm not smoking anything.[/url]

Grab spears and positioning them in a proper formation would take more than the 30 seconds you imagine them to be capable of. A crossbow takes a minute to arm and fire. If you want a tight enough circle, you have no space to set up your scorpions or fire a crossbow. Want space to do that, spread out and get trampled. To hold a pike one cannot effectively wield a shield. To create a shield wall from a mass of people and equipment cluttered to fire a crossbow, as said again, takes more time than an imaginary 30 seconds.

Please, the battle of St Pol de Leon uses prepared positions, was against footmen, and has the height advantage and are using equipment not used by your men. And I suppose one battle means that the similar results would be emulated everywhere ?

[Caermine]

''King Joffrey held a brand new crossbow that was just invented around that time.''

[Kanilion]

''King Joffrey held a brand new crossbow that was just invented around that time.''

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

And wasn't that several hundred years ahead of This time period??

[Second Helghan Empire]

''King Joffrey held a brand new crossbow that was just invented around that time.''

this is over 300 years prior to joffrey

[Second Helghan Empire]

''King Joffrey held a brand new crossbow that was just invented around that time.''

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

And wasn't that several hundred years ahead of This time period??

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^see

[Kanilion]

More like ... Late 11th early 12th century stuff I reckon

[Caermine]

''King Joffrey held a brand new crossbow that was just invented around that time.''

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

And wasn't that several hundred years ahead of This time period??

''King Joffrey held a brand new crossbow that was just invented around that time.''

this is over 300 years prior to joffrey

Yes

[Relikai]

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

And wasn't that several hundred years ahead of This time period??

this is over 300 years prior to joffrey

Yes

I guess GoT was still the era of heavy cav and earlier means they were still a useful force.

But well, without watching the show or reading the books I lack this decisive shot lolol.