A Song of Ice and Fire :: Factions (OOC)

[Arlye Austros]

sorry for the delay, will post today. This is 1st in my to-do list

Excellent, glad to hear it.

I am still under heavy complications due to my finances

Can I take economic turns (monthly incomes) for both pages so far? If not I will understand.

[Stolen Idol]

Excellent, glad to hear it.

I am still under heavy complications due to my finances

Can I take economic turns (monthly incomes) for both pages so far? If not I will understand.

Doubtful, how money you make a month anyway?

[Arlye Austros]

I am still under heavy complications due to my finances

Can I take economic turns (monthly incomes) for both pages so far? If not I will understand.

Doubtful, how money you make a month anyway?

Need to double check, but it is a negative income. I really have to reduce my military.

[Arlye Austros]

viewtopic.php?f=31&t=368713&start=25#p27731244

It´s terrible. Only considering Storm´s End and nearby villages.

[Stolen Idol]

I'm confused are you in debt each month?
Which one is your income?
I only make 111 gold each month.

Some fractions didn't do their finances right like check out House Lannister.
They only have the rock which they upgraded like crazy and bought about 4,000 soldiers.

[Arlye Austros]

I'm confused are you in debt each month?
Which one is your income?
I only make 111 gold each month.

Some fractions didn't do their finances right like check out House Lannister.
They only have the rock which they upgraded like crazy and bought about 4,000 soldiers.

Stormlander economy is problematic since there are not many towns and several castles. Weeping Town is the only town that produces a respectable income, but I gave it the status of vassal, so it seems I don´t get taxation from it (as far as I understand). Now, the town itself doesn´t have known ruling House, so I believe an alternative is having House Durrandon controling it directly.

[Stolen Idol]

I'm confused are you in debt each month?
Which one is your income?
I only make 111 gold each month.

Some fractions didn't do their finances right like check out House Lannister.
They only have the rock which they upgraded like crazy and bought about 4,000 soldiers.

Stormlander economy is problematic since there are not many towns and several castles. Weeping Town is the only town that produces a respectable income, but I gave it the status of vassal, so it seems I don´t get taxation from it (as far as I understand). Now, the town itself doesn´t have known ruling House, so I believe an alternative is having House Durrandon controling it directly.

Looks like you found your answer. I gave myself three villages to balance my economy.
But, I did get them from canon had to search like crazy for a cliff note that statedtheir existance.
There is hints of a couple more settlements but they belong to vassals. Most of them unnamed. I don't include them because it's only 1g

[Arlye Austros]

Stormlander economy is problematic since there are not many towns and several castles. Weeping Town is the only town that produces a respectable income, but I gave it the status of vassal, so it seems I don´t get taxation from it (as far as I understand). Now, the town itself doesn´t have known ruling House, so I believe an alternative is having House Durrandon controling it directly.

Looks like you found your answer. I gave myself three villages to balance my economy.
But, I did get them from canon had to search like crazy for a cliff note that statedtheir existance.
There is hints of a couple more settlements but they belong to vassals. Most of them unnamed. I don't include them because it's only 1g

Ok so I should give myself the town? It will still be not enough I think. However I do plan to reduce my military even without the crisis. I could give myself additional villages, but I already have one wich is not really canon. An alternative, I think, is a castle town.

[Caermine]

I'd like to remind everybody that they're invited at the White Harbor Tourney. First, second and third day of the third moon. Only the Reach and the Ironborn aren't invited, Redwyne, Hightower, Tully and Darklyn are invited.

House Silverheart will send two representatives over.

House Silverheart will send two representatives over.

Lannisters are attending.

Honoured by the both of you!

I'd like to remind everybody that they're invited at the White Harbor Tourney. First, second and third day of the third moon. Only the Reach and the Ironborn aren't invited, Redwyne, Hightower, Tully and Darklyn are invited.

Tristen will come as soon as the ironborn leave his land

I'll pray to the Seven Gods for your family, maybe send your son as a representative?

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=368713&start=25#p27731244

It´s terrible. Only considering Storm´s End and nearby villages.

I think it's save to claim Storm's End as a large town (like Winterfel) A castle doesn't exclude a town.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Looks like you found your answer. I gave myself three villages to balance my economy.
But, I did get them from canon had to search like crazy for a cliff note that statedtheir existance.
There is hints of a couple more settlements but they belong to vassals. Most of them unnamed. I don't include them because it's only 1g

Ok so I should give myself the town? It will still be not enough I think. However I do plan to reduce my military even without the crisis. I could give myself additional villages, but I already have one wich is not really canon. An alternative, I think, is a castle town.

Given nobody is known to hold Weeping Town, it's probably alright to have your House possess it directly.

[Second Helghan Empire]

Hey may I dsuggest a mechanic? There is currently no difference between cadet branches and vassals. I suggest that a house has direct control over a cadets military numbers but can only use that cadets income. What do you think?

[Arlye Austros]

viewtopic.php?f=31&t=368911&p=27774778#p27774778

OK remade my economy. Hope it causes no problem (now my Archive APP it the official one for further references.

[Caermine]

Hey may I dsuggest a mechanic? There is currently no difference between cadet branches and vassals. I suggest that a house has direct control over a cadets military numbers but can only use that cadets income. What do you think?

I think you'd just have to view cadets as very loyal allies and leave it at that.

[G-Tech Corporation]

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=368911&p=27774778#p27774778

OK remade my economy. Hope it causes no problem (now my Archive APP it the official one for further references.

One thing- Storm's End probably has some city around it, but I highly doubt it would classify as a large city. Those are nearly the greatest cities in Westeros, and Storm's End doesn't actually have any canonical city attested to. Indeed, the storms that lash her environs are so powerful the keep had to be built all as one building; if anything, Storm's End probably has a smaller settlement than one would expect. I'd class her as maybe an average town.

[Stolen Idol]

Well, I sent soldiers to defend the north from any would be invaders. Your welcome you slacker fat cats of winter. A average town is not really a small settlement at all. The north has only one average town it's the biggest town it has.
"Average" is based on a world scale.
Don't worry about your income. Just come up with a house bonus that will help you out.

[Arlye Austros]

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=368911&p=27774778#p27774778

OK remade my economy. Hope it causes no problem (now my Archive APP it the official one for further references.

One thing- Storm's End probably has some city around it, but I highly doubt it would classify as a large city. Those are nearly the greatest cities in Westeros, and Storm's End doesn't actually have any canonical city attested to. Indeed, the storms that lash her environs are so powerful the keep had to be built all as one building; if anything, Storm's End probably has a smaller settlement than one would expect. I'd class her as maybe an average town.

It is a tier 2 castle town, think that falls under Infraestructure rather than a sepparate Settlement.

[Caermine]

I know some time ago it was said that Braavos isn't allowed but I'd want to nag about it one more time

White Harbor (yes, this will be a selfish statement) and Braavos are cities very much like eachother, build by refugees and there's very much freedom of religion. It's not a coincidence that White Harbor and Braavos could become so big, both are very tolerant and tolerating is good for trade and growth. In a Westeros, not united under one ruler, Braavos could be a very awesome ally for White Harbor. (EDIT: And it would be a logical ally for White Harbor. I'd feel uncomfortable allying myself with them if they aren't played)

With Dorne and Lys/Tyrosh I could see some lovely interactions aswell. Same goes for Pentos/Myr and the Stormkings and Pentos/Braavos and the Vale.

Besides that, I can't think of a reason why you'd want to exclude the western city-states, especially in this age.

[Second Helghan Empire]

Hey may I dsuggest a mechanic? There is currently no difference between cadet branches and vassals. I suggest that a house has direct control over a cadets military numbers but can only use that cadets income. What do you think?

I think you'd just have to view cadets as very loyal allies and leave it at that.

Hmmm I wasn't speaking to you I was speaking to the op and co-ops because I have a suggestion that could differentiate between two different things better. They don't honestly make sense as just very loyal allies anyway as they are far more than that. They are simply the extended family that just runs their land seperate of the core part of the family. So their military should reflecy the fact they are involved at a higher level in the affairs of the house's realm.

[Arlye Austros]

Wait, with how much money do we start? I lost that part.

[G-Tech Corporation]

One thing- Storm's End probably has some city around it, but I highly doubt it would classify as a large city. Those are nearly the greatest cities in Westeros, and Storm's End doesn't actually have any canonical city attested to. Indeed, the storms that lash her environs are so powerful the keep had to be built all as one building; if anything, Storm's End probably has a smaller settlement than one would expect. I'd class her as maybe an average town.

It is a tier 2 castle town, think that falls under Infraestructure rather than a sepparate Settlement.

To my understanding, a castle town refers to goings-on that are within the walls of the fortress itself; the bakers, and soldiers, and goodwives, and bowyers, and whatnot. Large castles might have thousands of permanent residents within this "castle town". Separate to that would be folk that live outside the walls in an actual settlement.

Wait, with how much money do we start? I lost that part.

Equivalent to the tier of your highest castle or settlement x 100.

[Arlye Austros]

It is a tier 2 castle town, think that falls under Infraestructure rather than a sepparate Settlement.

To my understanding, a castle town refers to goings-on that are within the walls of the fortress itself; the bakers, and soldiers, and goodwives, and bowyers, and whatnot. Large castles might have thousands of permanent residents within this "castle town". Separate to that would be folk that live outside the walls in an actual settlement.

Wait, with how much money do we start? I lost that part.

Equivalent to the tier of your highest castle or settlement x 100.

Ok thanks a lot.

[Caermine]

I think you'd just have to view cadets as very loyal allies and leave it at that.

Hmmm I wasn't speaking to you I was speaking to the op and co-ops because I have a suggestion that could differentiate between two different things better. They don't honestly make sense as just very loyal allies anyway as they are far more than that. They are simply the extended family that just runs their land seperate of the core part of the family. So their military should reflecy the fact they are involved at a higher level in the affairs of the house's realm.

I think I'm allowed to discuss matters as much as you can, can't I? And they really aren't much more then loyal allies. It is even written in the books that some families look down upon their cadet branches, like the Arryns.

[The Flame Dawn]

Wait, with how much money do we start? I lost that part.

Look at G-Tech's IC post that contains his Econ. That's a good start

[Stolen Idol]

Looking up vassals and how they work. History says it was depended by the land's religion and culture. Some leaning towards favoring your lord and the other your family.
So, I guess that supports that realistic depending on the land and culture. You could expect your kin house to favor you.

Though, I still think it's completely fair to have vassals.
Here is what I suggest. That you only gain taxes and control soldiers if they led by your house. You can move your house members to claim taxes.
Even build on to the vassal lands. As long as someone is there.

Though a house would never be sending it's ten year daughter to go collect taxes.
So, we should be able to have loyal servants to the house like sworn swords.
To serve in place of our lords.

[Second Helghan Empire]

Hmmm I wasn't speaking to you I was speaking to the op and co-ops because I have a suggestion that could differentiate between two different things better. They don't honestly make sense as just very loyal allies anyway as they are far more than that. They are simply the extended family that just runs their land seperate of the core part of the family. So their military should reflecy the fact they are involved at a higher level in the affairs of the house's realm.

I think I'm allowed to discuss matters as much as you can, can't I? And they really aren't much more then loyal allies. It is even written in the books that some families look down upon their cadet branches, like the Arryns.

You didn't discuss it by saying you thought it should or shouldn't you simply said their isn't going to be and that isn't your place nor mine. However now you actually discuss so I digress.

Just because families look down on them doesn't make them exempt from that families rules. Each region does things slightly difderent especially at this time when each kingdom has completely different laws and customs. What actual reason is there that my idea isn't an improvement?