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by The V O I D » Wed Feb 17, 2016 8:14 pm
by The V O I D » Wed Feb 17, 2016 8:19 pm
by Kargintina » Wed Feb 17, 2016 8:29 pm
ZATAK wrote:So many expansionist nations.. After so much conflict and destruction you would hope that people would understand that burning the world so to say gives them nothing in return but misery.
by Altito Asmoro » Wed Feb 17, 2016 8:35 pm
by Zatak » Wed Feb 17, 2016 8:42 pm
Kargintina wrote:ZATAK wrote:So many expansionist nations.. After so much conflict and destruction you would hope that people would understand that burning the world so to say gives them nothing in return but misery.
I know it's pretty stupid. There is no plausible expansion anymore, just the spread of influence. Unfortunately 13 year old COD kiddies trying to come on NS think everything is conflict and war.
by Altito Asmoro » Wed Feb 17, 2016 8:46 pm
by Senkaku » Wed Feb 17, 2016 9:01 pm
by Senkaku » Wed Feb 17, 2016 9:06 pm
Imperial Population: N/A
Location/Claims: Already on the map bb
Capital City: San Francisco, hometown of Riley Soto.
Government Info
Government Type: Currently a (relatively benevolent) socialist dictatorship.
Brief Explanation of Government: Riley effectively stole power from the choked and corrupt bureaucracy in the late 2020s, after the Texas Crisis and during the height of the Megadrought. California was inefficient and corrupt, “not even reaching a tenth of her full potential” as Riley put it. So he staged a coup in Sacramento, being still an educated young man, and reorganized the state while effectively being an independent country, while not actually saying such a thing.
There was a relatively non-destructive (but still bad) Civil War, but eventually Riley’s government won.
He downsized the bureaucracy and made the government slightly more socialist, yet friendly to investment. Corruption is punished extremely harshly, and the officials publicly shamed.
Ideology: Market socialism, Californian nationalism, Rylonianism (term for Riley’s Quantum Economy’s ideology)
Leader/s: Riley Soto (dictator), Carlos Leon (military commander), Logan Wolff (in charge of the planned parts of the economy),
Population Info
Brief Description of your people:
Religion: Secular, but Roman Catholicism and Irreligion are the two most popular faiths.
Ethnicity: Riley calls us all “Californian”, but the nation is incredibly diverse.
Main/Accepted Culture(s): Californian, Cascadian, Mexican, Chinese, Filipino.
Other Cultures: Tons of immigrants stuck in the country, so lots.
Economy
GDP Expectation as of 2055: $3,270,000,000
Main Exports: Really anything, that’s not how economies work anymore
Main Imports: See above.
Other information: Parts are centrally planned by quantum supercomputers (Palo Alto boi), while most of it is free market but with government intervention to ensure efficiency where it’s important.
Military Info
Army: Since the brief yet hard Civil War, the army has been relatively important, especially since Mexico has falled apart into cartels-turned-countries. Every hundredth adult from ages twenty two to forty four is conscripted at any one time, so the total amount is 468,000 troops.
Navy: The navy has been relatively ignored compared to terrestrial development. While there is most definitely enough boats to defend the long coastline and perhaps project power into the coastal Mexican states, it’s nothing like the old US’ Pacific Fleet…. Although the entirety of the Pacific Fleet was inherited by Republic when independence happened.
Other Info
Brief Description of your Economy: Partly centrally planned by quantum computers, partly free market (depending on which is most efficient at the time), dependant on desalination plants along the coast which use pervaporation and salt-attracting compounds in the cellulose membranes. These desalination plants are some of the most heavily guarded parts of the country.
Goals: Rebuild, mine, be efficient, farm, go to space, have awesome computers, be amazing. WE’RE FUCKING CALIFORNIA, MAN.
History:
Riley was a young man when the Crises began to happen.
Born on Cinco de Mayo, 2000, in San Francisco.
He grew up and was educated in a state that was considered the greatest in the country, the most beautiful in the world, the largest economy and the most vital part of America.
Yet when the proverbial (and, in some cases, literal) shit hit the fan, Riley was in a prime position to lead. He was charismatic, intelligent, and had some good ideas about how to lead.
He gathered support for a “Glorious Revolution” in the Bay Area and the Great Valley, and, in 2029 he finally led a small force to Sacramento (in secret).
The State Capitol Building and California’s terrible bureaucracy fell.
Within a week over a hundred officials (including non-government officials, like police) had been evicted from the state on grounds of being corrupt beyond.
Laws were made and immediately enforced on corruption and government efficiency, removing some red tape and making campaign funding and “gifts” to officials illegal were some of the major ones.
Of course, when Riley announced the coup and declared the corrupt, inefficient, and terrible government gone, the state had some problems with political unity.
So a Civil War was fought. Many young people joined the police and army, believing in the promises of an efficient and uncorrupt system, making life better for Californians as it all went away, but as the Civil War went on, and the world fell apart, it became evident that California would not easily slide into greatness.
Riley did well in terms of propaganda, though, claiming things like efficiency and sacrifice for the greater good (although in a non-communist/fascist way) along with his wonderful speeches and seemingly approachableness made him popular despite the drop in quality of life.
The Civil War was over by 2032, with tens of thousands dead and many more injured and displaced.
But, Riley did make the media help, as they portrayed the world as a terrible place outside of California (which wasn’t completely untrue).
Hurricanes and tornadoes in America, Civil Wars and rebellions in the Middle East and Asia, famine all around, droughts in the world’s breadbaskets. It was up to California and her great reserve of intelligence and engineering to fix the problems.
Billions were poured into technological development to relieve the Great Valley of drought, desalination techniques devised in the 2000s were put to use, as the farmers switched from cash crops like almonds to those meant to feed millions like maize and beans.
Immigration from Mexico, despite to worse-off population, increased as a result of unrest South of the Border.
So there wasn’t a lack of workers.
Education was geared more towards instilling nationalism in the population, while also being a good education to improve the innovative ability of the state.
From roughly 2029-2035 California distanced itself from America, who really couldn’t deal with the state’s problems anyway, and so in 2040 California officially declared independence, much to the delight of the younger generation.
The country began to first use quantum supercomputers in 2031, when the new government began to have parts of the country be centrally planned.
Labor and resources were distributed via computer, and the country, to this day, grows more and more a command economy.
Over the past decade and a half California, as a formally independent and internationally recognized country, has worked incredibly hard to keep its increasingly centralized economy efficient and uncorrupted.
“Corruption is what will kill our nation” Riley often says in his weekly speeches, computer scientists are trained well, people are fed, the country is doing alright.
Sure, not many people have expensive cars or other old signs of wealth, but people are fed, they work, they’re paid, they live, and they drive California.
Riley considers this a victory.
RP Sample: bruh
Reatra wrote:New Rnclave wrote:
You're really poor. You don't have quantum computers. You are poor and wear torn. What do you not understand?
I understand that very well...
But it's been 30 years of technology. Think of how technology advanced from 1980 to 2010. Even North Korea got supercomputers in that time. So, in this global crisis, technology would continue to advance. If 1980 to 2010 gives the poorest country on earth supercomputers, than 2013-2043 should to the same. And I'm not even the poorest country on earth. No matter what would say it is literally impossible for California to fall as much as you're implying unless it was nuked heavily.
by Zatak » Wed Feb 17, 2016 9:11 pm
Senkaku wrote:
Small quibble- shouldn't it just be "de", not "del"? And if you want to have a pronoun, is California masculine or feminine? I would think feminine, just to make it fit with republica and because it ends with an a, in which case it's "de la", not "del".
That population is assuming current rates of growth hold, and I'm not convinced they would. California will be facing a water crisis, the United States will be imploding, and as you mention later California will have its own civil war.Imperial Population: N/A
Location/Claims: Already on the map bb
Capital City: San Francisco, hometown of Riley Soto.
*vomits*
Can we not have another nation marring P2TM's once-glorious visage with your personal fantasies? Idk, might be nice.Government Info
Government Type: Currently a (relatively benevolent) socialist dictatorship.
What does relatively benevolent mean?Brief Explanation of Government: Riley effectively stole power from the choked and corrupt bureaucracy in the late 2020s, after the Texas Crisis and during the height of the Megadrought. California was inefficient and corrupt, “not even reaching a tenth of her full potential” as Riley put it. So he staged a coup in Sacramento, being still an educated young man, and reorganized the state while effectively being an independent country, while not actually saying such a thing.
How did you accomplish this? You'll be like in college or something in the 2020s, or just out of college. How the actual fuck are you gonna stage a coup? As for reorganizing the state but not declaring independence- I'm pretty fucking sure that would be impossible. Turning the most populous state in the US in your own little fiefdom isn't something people just ignore.
Also, I'm sure we will hear very little else about the Texas Crisis or the Megadrought.There was a relatively non-destructive (but still bad) Civil War, but eventually Riley’s government won.
"Relatively non-destructive (but still bad)". Make up your goddamn motherfucking mind. And who was it even against? And why did no one intervene?He downsized the bureaucracy and made the government slightly more socialist, yet friendly to investment. Corruption is punished extremely harshly, and the officials publicly shamed.
Slightly more socialist, yet friendly to investment. Once again you're waffling between having maximum interestingness and maximum wanking power.Ideology: Market socialism, Californian nationalism, Rylonianism (term for Riley’s Quantum Economy’s ideology)
*vomits*
Your part in this aside, Californian nationalism seems like it would be weak at best. California is a big place and you had to fight a war to unify it. The capital is way up in the north. How do all the people inland or in the south feel?Leader/s: Riley Soto (dictator), Carlos Leon (military commander), Logan Wolff (in charge of the planned parts of the economy),
*vomits*
I can only assume these are friends of yours. Probably even less qualified to stage a coup, conquer California, and set up a highly functional socialist utopia than you are. Is one of them going to have the title of Impirren? :|Population Info
Brief Description of your people:
Religion: Secular, but Roman Catholicism and Irreligion are the two most popular faiths.
"Irreligion"
"Irreligion"
I must leave this terrible worldEthnicity: Riley calls us all “Californian”, but the nation is incredibly diverse.
Weird shift of narrative voice to sound like a citizen, and also no explanation of said diversity.Main/Accepted Culture(s): Californian, Cascadian, Mexican, Chinese, Filipino.
Other Cultures: Tons of immigrants stuck in the country, so lots.
Don't like list any of those other cultures or anything, it's not like that's why that fucking box is there.Economy
GDP Expectation as of 2055: $3,270,000,000
This is weirdly similar to the number I got from multiplying California's current per capita GDP by your population (followed by some very generous rounding). I'd like to see some explanation of that.Main Exports: Really anything, that’s not how economies work anymore
What the actual fuck? Countries still import and export shit. You don't believe me? Ask Saudi Arabia, or China, or Botswana. Countries have things that they import and export. I thought you were setting Cali up to be some sort of CS wankistan, shouldn't you be exporting quantum computers out the ass?Main Imports: See above.
See above.Other information: Parts are centrally planned by quantum supercomputers (Palo Alto boi), while most of it is free market but with government intervention to ensure efficiency where it’s important.
Is it free market or is it socialist? Cuz a little while ago you said it's socialist.
Also, implying California has a functioning cybercracy based off of advanced quantum supercomputers (no).Military Info
Army: Since the brief yet hard Civil War, the army has been relatively important, especially since Mexico has falled apart into cartels-turned-countries. Every hundredth adult from ages twenty two to forty four is conscripted at any one time, so the total amount is 468,000 troops.
"falled apart"
Okay well "falled apart" aside, it's nice how we see not really any mention of equipment or training or anything here. And you still have given very little information about this civil war bullshit.Navy: The navy has been relatively ignored compared to terrestrial development. While there is most definitely enough boats to defend the long coastline and perhaps project power into the coastal Mexican states, it’s nothing like the old US’ Pacific Fleet…. Although the entirety of the Pacific Fleet was inherited by Republic when independence happened.
You're telling me that the boys at Pearl and Bremerton all just up and sailed to Cali. Bitch, please.
And also, you say it's not like the Pacific Fleet, and then say "the entirety of the Pacific Fleet was inherited by the Republic", once again splitting the difference between being interesting and getting the Caliwank you really want.Other Info
Brief Description of your Economy: Partly centrally planned by quantum computers, partly free market (depending on which is most efficient at the time), dependant on desalination plants along the coast which use pervaporation and salt-attracting compounds in the cellulose membranes. These desalination plants are some of the most heavily guarded parts of the country.
ARE YOU A SOCIALIST CYBERCRATIC UTOPIA OR NOT GODDAMNIT
As for desal plants, I'm not sure why they'd be that heavily guarded. I mean we don't post armies around our reservoirs and stuff. They might have guards like an industrial plant of some importance, but I don't think they're gonna be Area 51.Goals: Rebuild, mine, be efficient, farm, go to space, have awesome computers, be amazing. WE’RE FUCKING CALIFORNIA, MAN.
No, but seriously.History:
Riley was a young man when the Crises began to happen.
KILL MEEEEEEEEEEEEBorn on Cinco de Mayo, 2000, in San Francisco.
Sentence fragment.He grew up and was educated in a state that was considered the greatest in the country, the most beautiful in the world, the largest economy and the most vital part of America.
Glad to hear Californians retain their inflated sense of self-worth and importance in the world and the nation. Why don't you drive out into the LA suburbs and tell me how beautiful and vital they are?Yet when the proverbial (and, in some cases, literal) shit hit the fan, Riley was in a prime position to lead. He was charismatic, intelligent, and had some good ideas about how to lead.
Which apparently puts you in a prime position to lead? Having a few good ideas (and I'm certainly not convinced, at least based off this app this app, that you have very many, but that's irrelevant) does not a dictator-to-be make.He gathered support for a “Glorious Revolution” in the Bay Area and the Great Valley, and, in 2029 he finally led a small force to Sacramento (in secret).
How did he do this? Who knows!The State Capitol Building and California’s terrible bureaucracy fell.
And as we all know (Napoleon, I'm looking at you), if you take the capital of a place, everyone instantly and invariably falls into line. Seriously, if you storm the state capitol, all you'd do is have a SWAT team come and blow you into tiny pieces.Within a week over a hundred officials (including non-government officials, like police) had been evicted from the state on grounds of being corrupt beyond.
Was 100 just the largest number you could think of? Do you know how many people work for the Californian government? Don't you just control the state capitol building in any case?Laws were made and immediately enforced on corruption and government efficiency, removing some red tape and making campaign funding and “gifts” to officials illegal were some of the major ones.
How were these laws made, given that they were being announced by a handful of idiots with guns squatting in the state capitol? No one knows! Nor does anyone know how they enforced these laws. God was on their side, apparently, and just did all the work for them. Deus vult.Of course, when Riley announced the coup and declared the corrupt, inefficient, and terrible government gone, the state had some problems with political unity.
I don't think just saying the government is illegal or gone makes it illegal or makes it go away. I know Yokel Haram tried that recently and it has gone spectacularly badly for them.So a Civil War was fought. Many young people joined the police and army, believing in the promises of an efficient and uncorrupt system, making life better for Californians as it all went away, but as the Civil War went on, and the world fell apart, it became evident that California would not easily slide into greatness.
I'm going to criticize this while imagining your forces somehow had taken over part of the state. Has no one thought to call out the National Gurd to kill a bunch of kids who just got out of college and probably can't even handle the guns they have?Riley did well in terms of propaganda, though, claiming things like efficiency and sacrifice for the greater good (although in a non-communist/fascist way) along with his wonderful speeches and seemingly approachableness made him popular despite the drop in quality of life.
You're selling yourself quite highly here. I don't think speeches win wars. Soldiers and guns do. Thus far I've seen nothing that makes me believe you'd have many of either. You would, to most sensible people, be that kid who led a bunch of young militants to storm the State Capitol and then said a bunch of crazy shit, and is now running around with armed militants blowing shit up.The Civil War was over by 2032, with tens of thousands dead and many more injured and displaced.
So apparently mini-Syria did not hurt things too badly? Because earlier you said it wasn't too bad.But, Riley did make the media help, as they portrayed the world as a terrible place outside of California (which wasn’t completely untrue).
How did Riley make the media help? The media usually does what it goddamn pleases, and if the explosions are close to home it just means 24/7 coverage. But I'm assuming you've basically launched a North Korea-style media crackdown (which I'm sure Hollywood and the rest of California, previously part of America, will be thrilled by), because there's no other real way to achieve this.Hurricanes and tornadoes in America, Civil Wars and rebellions in the Middle East and Asia, famine all around, droughts in the world’s breadbaskets. It was up to California and her great reserve of intelligence and engineering to fix the problems.
Ah yes, the breakaway American state in the middle of the drought you've barely mentioned that just fought a war with itself that killed tens of thousands will fix "the problems".Billions were poured into technological development to relieve the Great Valley of drought, desalination techniques devised in the 2000s were put to use, as the farmers switched from cash crops like almonds to those meant to feed millions like maize and beans.
Billions that you don't have to relieve a drought you can't solve, but at least you're forcing the farmers (presumably at gunpoint, since they probably like making money) to use less water.Immigration from Mexico, despite to worse-off population, increased as a result of unrest South of the Border.
At present, more people leave the US to go to Mexico than leave Mexico to come to America. The United States has imploded and California has just seceded and fought a civil war. Even with the cartels taking over, I'm pretty sure most Mexicans wouldn't be stupid enough to risk their luck trying to cross the border to a country that now has very little indeed to offer them.So there wasn’t a lack of workers.
Glad to know you have enough wetbacks to work the fields. :|
Also, I assume you're just glossing over the presumably colossal issue of cartel drug smuggling?Education was geared more towards instilling nationalism in the population, while also being a good education to improve the innovative ability of the state.
I don't even know what this sentence is supposed to mean besides that you want your populace to be devoted to the Dear Leader.From roughly 2029-2035 California distanced itself from America, who really couldn’t deal with the state’s problems anyway, and so in 2040 California officially declared independence, much to the delight of the younger generation.
"And America, as it has always been with secessionists, was very chill about this and did not lash out in its death throes or object in any way, nor had it intervened at all in the place that it had previously ruled prior to its declaration of independence when they fought a civil war. Because collapsing countries definitely don't try and cling to their territories, especially populous and valuable ones."The country began to first use quantum supercomputers in 2031, when the new government began to have parts of the country be centrally planned.
So before the civil war even ends and California has declared independence you have supercomputers (which you don't have) running central economic planning?Labor and resources were distributed via computer, and the country, to this day, grows more and more a command economy.
Yet earlier you said it alternates between socialism and free market (whichever is more efficient at the time). Seems like you want all the benefits of a command economy, but without any of the drawbacks.Over the past decade and a half California, as a formally independent and internationally recognized country, has worked incredibly hard to keep its increasingly centralized economy efficient and uncorrupted.
And like all large multi-ethnic fledgling states emerging from civil war and secession from a mother country and run by a young and inexperienced dictator who seized power in a coup/popular rising, I'm sure everything has gone completely smoothly.
“Corruption is what will kill our nation” Riley often says in his weekly speeches, computer scientists are trained well, people are fed, the country is doing alright.
This sentence has no real bearing on history and runs contrary to everything that could be reasonably assumed about California at this point in time.Sure, not many people have expensive cars or other old signs of wealth, but people are fed, they work, they’re paid, they live, and they drive California.
"Sure, people may be poor as shit, but they're alive!"Riley considers this a victory.
No one cares about what Riley considers as a victory or a defeat.RP Sample: bruh
Actually, I'd be interested in seeing some links.Reatra wrote:
I understand that very well...
But it's been 30 years of technology. Think of how technology advanced from 1980 to 2010. Even North Korea got supercomputers in that time. So, in this global crisis, technology would continue to advance. If 1980 to 2010 gives the poorest country on earth supercomputers, than 2013-2043 should to the same. And I'm not even the poorest country on earth. No matter what would say it is literally impossible for California to fall as much as you're implying unless it was nuked heavily.
North Korea is not the poorest country on Earth.
Supercomputers currently are based off silicon chips, not quantum computing.
You assume technology would continue to advance not with Moore's Law and silicon computing (which it would until Moore's Law breaks down, which it will do fairly soon), but with quantum computing, which is a ridiculous assumption.
You fail to account for the period of relative stability from 1980-2010 as well as other factors with North Korea.
This whole argument is fucking ridiculous. California should not have quantum computers. Tbh even rich countries probably shouldn't have that many.
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