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Where should a Spinoff of this RP be based? (ROUND II)

The Georgia Federation
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Maryland
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Alinora
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Postby Alinora » Tue Sep 13, 2016 2:12 pm

Cainesland wrote:
Pacific Brotherhood of Steel wrote:Week long flights? On a jet aircraft?


From Washington to Navarro it will be taking a week. Due to refuelling, breaks, maintenance, and other causes. Assuming the tank requires refuelling every 200 miles or so.

This has been argued in the past. The ruling has not been overturned.

Edit: I also realize though that that makes a Vertibird, long term, about as fast as a Zeppelin.

No, Vertibirds can make a trip across the US in a day. I did the math not long ago.

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Postby Pacific Brotherhood of Steel » Tue Sep 13, 2016 2:14 pm

This leads me into the my next part. You would not have to refuel a vertibird almost 8 times to cross the country. The trip I would imagine is from DC you'd stop at Chicago and then continue. From Vancouver you would stop in Chicago and then continue into DC.

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Postby Pacific Brotherhood of Steel » Tue Sep 13, 2016 2:16 pm

So, in conclusion, I'd like everyone to reconsider the Vertibird being able to cross the country on eight stops to make it only one, depending on where you are coming from. Otherwise the vertibird isn't what it's supposed to be and, like Cainesland said, flies at the speed of a zepplien.

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Postby Alinora » Tue Sep 13, 2016 2:22 pm

I can do the math again if you guys would like.

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Postby Cainesland » Tue Sep 13, 2016 2:24 pm

Alinora wrote:
Cainesland wrote:
From Washington to Navarro it will be taking a week. Due to refuelling, breaks, maintenance, and other causes. Assuming the tank requires refuelling every 200 miles or so.

This has been argued in the past. The ruling has not been overturned.

Edit: I also realize though that that makes a Vertibird, long term, about as fast as a Zeppelin.

No, Vertibirds can make a trip across the US in a day. I did the math not long ago.


Ok lets assume they leave at 8 from Navarro to Washington. 2,817 miles. Let us assume 100 miles an hour (pulled out of a hat). Every 2 hours they refuel, based on the assumed 200 mile fuel cap and 100 miles per hour. A half hour to refuel. A half hour for maintenance. A half hour break. So 3 hours active and a half hour break. Then they are off.

So 2,817 miles divided by 200 miles gets us 14. So 14 hours flight is 7 stops and we add in an hour and half times 7 and we get 10.5. 10.5 hours plus 14 gets us 24.5 hours. Then take into account that 12 hours per day is needed for sleep and other things. Thats 2 days. Hmm. I suppose even if I went with my original guess of 60 miles per hour and 3 hour break between flights including break, refuelling, and relaxation, and we account for the 12 hours of the day needed for rest and most it'd take half a week or 4 days. Not too bad.
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Postby Pacific Brotherhood of Steel » Tue Sep 13, 2016 2:27 pm

Cainesland wrote:
Alinora wrote:No, Vertibirds can make a trip across the US in a day. I did the math not long ago.


Ok lets assume they leave at 8 from Navarro to Washington. 2,817 miles. Let us assume 100 miles an hour (pulled out of a hat). Every 2 hours they refuel, based on the assumed 200 mile fuel cap and 100 miles per hour. A half hour to refuel. A half hour for maintenance. A half hour break. So 3 hours active and a half hour break. Then they are off.

So 2,817 miles divided by 200 miles gets us 14. So 14 hours flight is 7 stops and we add in an hour and half times 7 and we get 10.5. 10.5 hours plus 14 gets us 24.5 hours. Then take into account that 12 hours per day is needed for sleep and other things. Thats 2 days. Hmm. I suppose even if I went with my original guess of 60 miles per hour and 3 hour break between flights including break, refuelling, and relaxation, and we account for the 12 hours of the day needed for rest and most it'd take half a week or 4 days. Not too bad.

The vertibird is not a helicopter. It functions as both a helicopter and a jet. And when in forward flight it reaches fixed wing aircraft speed.

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Postby Alinora » Tue Sep 13, 2016 2:27 pm

Cainesland wrote:
Alinora wrote:No, Vertibirds can make a trip across the US in a day. I did the math not long ago.


Ok lets assume they leave at 8 from Navarro to Washington. 2,817 miles. Let us assume 100 miles an hour (pulled out of a hat). Every 2 hours they refuel, based on the assumed 200 mile fuel cap and 100 miles per hour. A half hour to refuel. A half hour for maintenance. A half hour break. So 3 hours active and a half hour break. Then they are off.

So 2,817 miles divided by 200 miles gets us 14. So 14 hours flight is 7 stops and we add in an hour and half times 7 and we get 10.5. 10.5 hours plus 14 gets us 24.5 hours. Then take into account that 12 hours per day is needed for sleep and other things. Thats 2 days. Hmm. I suppose even if I went with my original guess of 60 miles per hour and 3 hour break between flights including break, refuelling, and relaxation, and we account for the 12 hours of the day needed for rest and most it'd take half a week or 4 days. Not too bad.

Full speed is far, far faster than 100 mph. I'm about to do the math, so hold on

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Postby Pacific Brotherhood of Steel » Tue Sep 13, 2016 2:29 pm

It flies somewhere between 300-700 mph. I couldn't imagine it going as fast as a high end jet because of shape and size.

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Postby Alinora » Tue Sep 13, 2016 2:31 pm

Here's a very generous, meaning slower than it likely is, speed of the Vertibird: 351mph. This is taken from the V-22 Osprey, which is essentially a modern day, larger Vertibird.

Like you said, there are 2,817 between Navarro and Washington. Travelling at a speed of 351mph, it will take 8 hours. You'd maybe have to stop once, so that's 9 hours total.

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Postby Cainesland » Tue Sep 13, 2016 2:36 pm

Pacific Brotherhood of Steel wrote:
Cainesland wrote:
Ok lets assume they leave at 8 from Navarro to Washington. 2,817 miles. Let us assume 100 miles an hour (pulled out of a hat). Every 2 hours they refuel, based on the assumed 200 mile fuel cap and 100 miles per hour. A half hour to refuel. A half hour for maintenance. A half hour break. So 3 hours active and a half hour break. Then they are off.

So 2,817 miles divided by 200 miles gets us 14. So 14 hours flight is 7 stops and we add in an hour and half times 7 and we get 10.5. 10.5 hours plus 14 gets us 24.5 hours. Then take into account that 12 hours per day is needed for sleep and other things. Thats 2 days. Hmm. I suppose even if I went with my original guess of 60 miles per hour and 3 hour break between flights including break, refuelling, and relaxation, and we account for the 12 hours of the day needed for rest and most it'd take half a week or 4 days. Not too bad.

The vertibird is not a helicopter. It functions as both a helicopter and a jet. And when in forward flight it reaches fixed wing aircraft speed.


If thats the case, lets assume its the speed of the douglas dc-3 a grand 40's plane. 1500 miles flight range, and 207 miles per hour. Seven hours and a refuel, lets assume the 1.5 hours for that. Then 12 hour break. Then 7 hours and they'd arrive at 28,13 miles. If I am correct. I don't think it'd get as fast as a Boeing 747.

Alinora wrote:Here's a very generous, meaning slower than it likely is, speed of the Vertibird: 351mph. This is taken from the V-22 Osprey, which is essentially a modern day, larger Vertibird.

Like you said, there are 2,817 between Navarro and Washington. Travelling at a speed of 351mph, it will take 8 hours. You'd maybe have to stop once, so that's 9 hours total.


I doubt a Vertibird could reach 400 miles per hour. Although a closer look at existing examples in museums seem to make 300 miles per hour a standard speed. Still seeming to make a 1 day flight speed. .
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Alinora
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Postby Alinora » Tue Sep 13, 2016 2:37 pm

Cainesland wrote:
Pacific Brotherhood of Steel wrote:The vertibird is not a helicopter. It functions as both a helicopter and a jet. And when in forward flight it reaches fixed wing aircraft speed.


If thats the case, lets assume its the speed of the douglas dc-3 a grand 40's plane. 1500 miles flight range, and 207 miles per hour. Seven hours and a refuel, lets assume the 1.5 hours for that. Then 12 hour break. Then 7 hours and they'd arrive at 28,13 miles. If I am correct. I don't think it'd get as fast as a Boeing 747.

Alinora wrote:Here's a very generous, meaning slower than it likely is, speed of the Vertibird: 351mph. This is taken from the V-22 Osprey, which is essentially a modern day, larger Vertibird.

Like you said, there are 2,817 between Navarro and Washington. Travelling at a speed of 351mph, it will take 8 hours. You'd maybe have to stop once, so that's 9 hours total.


I doubt a Vertibird could reach 400 miles per hour. Although a closer look at existing examples in museums seem to make 300 miles per hour a standard speed.


You're being too nitpicky just to try to find a way to prove you're right. 351 is a completely reasonable and logical speed.

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Postby Cainesland » Tue Sep 13, 2016 2:40 pm

Alinora wrote:
Cainesland wrote:
If thats the case, lets assume its the speed of the douglas dc-3 a grand 40's plane. 1500 miles flight range, and 207 miles per hour. Seven hours and a refuel, lets assume the 1.5 hours for that. Then 12 hour break. Then 7 hours and they'd arrive at 28,13 miles. If I am correct. I don't think it'd get as fast as a Boeing 747.



I doubt a Vertibird could reach 400 miles per hour. Although a closer look at existing examples in museums seem to make 300 miles per hour a standard speed.


You're being too nitpicky just to try to find a way to prove you're right. 351 is a completely reasonable and logical speed.


Your right. I am being Nitpicky. I am also trying to find a compromise. What I am trying to do is ensure that no future occasion presents itself that the Eastern Enclave fuels Vertibirds and flies west to kill the NCR. without warning. Despite the previous ruling protection.
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Alinora
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Postby Alinora » Tue Sep 13, 2016 2:42 pm

Cainesland wrote:
Alinora wrote:
You're being too nitpicky just to try to find a way to prove you're right. 351 is a completely reasonable and logical speed.


Your right. I am being Nitpicky. I am also trying to find a compromise. What I am trying to do is ensure that no future occasion presents itself that the Eastern Enclave fuels Vertibirds and flies west to kill the NCR. without warning. Despite the previous ruling protection.

The Enclave is stretched thin as it is, what the fuck are you talking about.

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Postby Pacific Brotherhood of Steel » Tue Sep 13, 2016 2:43 pm

Cainesland wrote:
Alinora wrote:
You're being too nitpicky just to try to find a way to prove you're right. 351 is a completely reasonable and logical speed.


Your right. I am being Nitpicky. I am also trying to find a compromise. What I am trying to do is ensure that no future occasion presents itself that the Eastern Enclave fuels Vertibirds and flies west to kill the NCR. without warning. Despite the previous ruling protection.

You think we're trying to break the rules? We're using logic and facts and you're over here doing this because you are scared of us breaking the rules. Even if we did break the rules, you could just say, "You can't do that" and it's over. So, why break science?

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Postby Cainesland » Tue Sep 13, 2016 2:47 pm

Pacific Brotherhood of Steel wrote:
Cainesland wrote:
Your right. I am being Nitpicky. I am also trying to find a compromise. What I am trying to do is ensure that no future occasion presents itself that the Eastern Enclave fuels Vertibirds and flies west to kill the NCR. without warning. Despite the previous ruling protection.

You think we're trying to break the rules? We're using logic and facts and you're over here doing this because you are scared of us breaking the rules. Even if we did break the rules, you could just say, "You can't do that" and it's over. So, why break science?


Because I assumed they only every went at a maximum of 200 miles an hour. I hadn't considered any other alternatives.

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Postby Cainesland » Tue Sep 13, 2016 2:49 pm

Alinora wrote:
Cainesland wrote:
Your right. I am being Nitpicky. I am also trying to find a compromise. What I am trying to do is ensure that no future occasion presents itself that the Eastern Enclave fuels Vertibirds and flies west to kill the NCR. without warning. Despite the previous ruling protection.

The Enclave is stretched thin as it is, what the fuck are you talking about.


Fear. Fear of me having too much power. Fear of change. If that makes sense.
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Alinora
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Postby Alinora » Tue Sep 13, 2016 2:50 pm

Cainesland wrote:
Alinora wrote:The Enclave is stretched thin as it is, what the fuck are you talking about.


Fear. Fear of me having too much power.

You have very little power in comparison to the east if I'm being honest. You ally with a rogue state, and have bases that aren't even remotely canon to begin with.

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Postby Cainesland » Tue Sep 13, 2016 2:51 pm

Alinora wrote:
Cainesland wrote:
Fear. Fear of me having too much power.

You have very little power in comparison to the east if I'm being honest. You ally with a rogue state, and have bases that aren't even remotely canon to begin with.


I am talking about having too much power as an Op. Not the Ic. But never mind. I apologize for causing a ruckus.
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Alinora
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Postby Alinora » Tue Sep 13, 2016 2:52 pm

Cainesland wrote:
Alinora wrote:You have very little power in comparison to the east if I'm being honest. You ally with a rogue state, and have bases that aren't even remotely canon to begin with.


I am talking about having too much power as an Op. Not the Ic. But never mind. I apologize for causing a ruckus.

This is an RP, you aren't like the POTUS or something. It's fine.

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Postby Pacific Brotherhood of Steel » Tue Sep 13, 2016 2:52 pm

Cainesland wrote:
Alinora wrote:You have very little power in comparison to the east if I'm being honest. You ally with a rogue state, and have bases that aren't even remotely canon to begin with.


I am talking about having too much power as an Op. Not the Ic. But never mind. I apologize for causing a ruckus.

What?

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Cainesland
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Postby Cainesland » Tue Sep 13, 2016 2:53 pm

Thanks. Cainesland signing off.
I need to think about life.

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Postby Cainesland » Tue Sep 13, 2016 2:54 pm

If anyone is interested in politics, I'd check out your countries United nations delegation. It's delegation choosing time again.

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Postby Commonwealth of Hank the Cat » Tue Sep 13, 2016 3:01 pm

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Romakivila
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Postby Romakivila » Tue Sep 13, 2016 3:15 pm

I won't be able to post tonight, sorry.
Why don't you have a seat please?

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Ormata
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Postby Ormata » Tue Sep 13, 2016 4:32 pm

I would like to, again, state my question.

Are weapons modified in ways that are not Fallout canon OK?

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